Aryan Nation, Aryan culture, Aryan religion

[Guest guest]

All I can say is that I am from South India and I've been having pretty bad experiences lately. It is my desire to turn India into AryaVarta, the land of Aryans. In my view, 'Aryan' has nothing to do with race or color. Anyone who follows the vedas and tries to apply them to personal/professional, political, social/econmic life is an Aryan. Period. But I am having great trouble making people understand this. Most of them are still under the false impression that people in South are Dravidians except Brahmnins, or that Aryans really came from a distant land or whatever. I've tried arguign that no matter who we are or where our ancestors came from, ONCE WE FOLLOW THE VEDIC DOCTRINES, we become Aryans. All this dravidic/dalit nonsense has been invented not only to divide the country along these lines but also it gives politicians the chance to garner votes. The result is there for everyone to see: India is suffering and quite frankly, it deserves what it is getting. This is the price we have to pay for giving up Aryanism. But still, these and other arguments have failed to convince my people. What am I supposed to do? I don't want answers like "Why do you care about all this" and the likes. If you have creative suggestions, let me hear them. I don't want no-sayers discouraging my pursuit. Thanks in advance.

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna

 

What a wonderful idea!

 

you are right, india is suffering due to the results, especially the caste system: it has lost the original meaning and is taken for granted. the rich treat the poor like trash.

 

anyways, i can't help much, but:

 

gather some devotees that do believe in what you offer, what you want to teach others. when you have a certain amount, start a preaching class, or some convincing methods to help those in need.

 

anyways, do not think that your campaign will be a great success at first. people take time to accept. also, no matter what you do, do it according to shastra/sadhu/guru. do not give your own accords--your opinions and such, because that will only discourage the people.

 

hope that helps.

 

Also, pray to Krishna to make your attempts successful.

 

Hare Krishna

[Guest guest]

You as an individual are unlikely to transform all of India. However, you can focus on a specific goal, in your area, and work to achieve that first. As that succeeds, move to other areas.

 

For instance, perhaps Vedic arts need to be preserved. In your area, find all the ancient arts and try to purchase them or get the community to purchase them. Or maybe education is important. So create a scholarship for a specific discipline that helps 1 kid per year attend college.

 

Start small and build up. This way you won't be discouraged. You'll be able to see small successes one at a time.

 

So ask yourself "What is the one specific, concrete thing, I can do to promote Aryan culture?" Don't try to do it all, just try to do your part.

[Guest guest]

Arya means noble in sanskrit, so Aryanism is nothing but a noble philosophy to guide us. And what do I mean by aryanising India? Certainly not what Nazis tried to do with their so-called master race theory. I am more interested in applying vedic concepts in creating a new political system and social order for India. Present day India is faithfully aping western democracy, which is proving detrimental. Don't jump to the conclusion that I am anti-democracy, but democracy should be more than merely voting for some unqualified politician. It shouldn't start and end in the election booth. We need functional democracy.

 

Vedic democracy is far better, in that it lays down the qualifications of a typical king/ruler (kshatriya), what he should be and do etc. If he doesn't fit the bill, he cannot contest. This method will filter out all corrupt, lazy politicians and give a chance only to the very best and the most sincere. Thus a genuine leader can be selected only with this method. Then it is up to the people to judge him, decide whether or not to let him continue based on his performances. But there should be a law banning all kinds of unethical activities (by the king and his men) like appealing to a certain caste, or playing the secular card which is usually the other extreme. Otherwise, we will experience the same problem we are experiencing now, where leaders use people as pawns to stay in power. All this has to be strictly prohibited, which is the job of the BRahmin community (again, it has nothing to do with birth, but gunas or qualities).

 

Now we come to vaisyas because economic development is very important. THere has to be a decentralised economy. Suppose a certain village somewhere in TN has not only the material but also the men to produce the best textiles, we must understand that it is their culture and let them flower. This is what they are supposed to do (it is their dharma), so the govt. should patronize them, not interfere and make a mess. But unfortnately, this is what happens if we have a socialist setup, everything is state-controlled. Naturally, human development is blocked because those villagers may be capable of performing this job ONLY, like I said it is their Dharma. This will directly affect economic growth, because only a happy people can be more productive and create wealth. To put it simply, the govt. has to understand that every individual/community can only act according to their subhava and swadharma, and no amount of coercing can do the trick. What is needed is patronage from the king to the people, based ON THEIR NEEDS, THEIR UNIQUE GIFTS etc. That's the only way to build a healthy social order, otherwise people will be forced to do what they are not supposed to do. A man may have great talent as an artist but he is forced to become an engineer just to survive. Is this the type of economy we need? Vedic economy treats human beings and their happiness as the greatest assets, so once the king allows them to develop on their own lines, according to their own Dharma, then productivity is increased, wealth is generated. Everybody will know what he is capable of doing, and therefore act accordingly.

 

Side note. Vaishyas should follow ethical guidlelines. His job is to accumulate wealth for the race and provide satisfction to the people (consumer). It has to be a people-friendly economy, otherwise in the greed to create wealth, there will be exploitation of the working class, which will make us all capitalists, not aryans! We should certainly avoid that, just as we're trying to avoid suffocating socialism. There are other things to bear in mind, such as how to use raw materials to build industries, without having to hurt the environment or the people, the minimum benefits the labor class should enjoy etc., all that has to be part of the ethical guidelines to conduct business the aryan way. There are many more rules such as identifying the strength and weaknesses of each state, district etc., so as to know what sort of industry would succeed there. For instance, an investor shouldn't dream about biotech park in pakistan, terorism industry would have more value and profit. (lmho) But I think that is quite easy and it only requires common sense. For instance, a real vaisya wouldn't be stupid enough to start a software company in Bihar, where there is nothing but mafia, looting, rape and murder. This is where the king should have the privilege (granted by the Brahmin adviser) to recruit young unemployed men to become part of the paramilitary force, work side by side with the army and learn to maintain law and order etc. Just imagine the good things that can come out of this. You can reduce unemployment, create kshatriya spirit in young minds, plus bring the state to normalcy. If people argue that it would be waste of money, I ask: are we not already wasting money BY NOT dealing with this problem? This problem is only sucking all their wealth and resources, driving away potential investors. So more money will be wasted due to lack of investment in the state, lack of industrial development than by taking action against a nagging problem.

 

There is much more, but i am tired of typing and it is up to the intellectual class to analyse the situation and come up with ideas.

 

This is what I call aryanism and this is what I want for my country.

[gokul]

You and me have samething running in mind.

I too run into same problem whenver i preach about aryanism to dravidians (ie., south indians).

Actually when we see historically (also in our puranas), we can clearly see that people "who considered worhsip of demigods as goal and making the demigods cult as supreme" are termed as dravidians.

So any people who worship demigods more than supreme god (krishna) and always tries to woo demigods then he/she is a dravidian rather than a aryan.

Only who accept supreme God (krishna) and surrender to him are aryans.

Thus Vaishnavas are Aryans. whereas others are not.

[Priitaa]

 

I've tried arguign that no matter who we are or where our ancestors came from, ONCE WE FOLLOW THE VEDIC DOCTRINES, we become Aryans.

 

 

And you are correct! The cast system is no longer the 'divine' caste system and therefore not acceptable. Srila Prabhupada has repeatedly explained that one can become brahamana simply by following the Vedic instructions on living as a brahmana. To take birth in a brahman family does not automatically give one that status, as that is bodily concept. One must be qualified. To take it further, Srila Prabhupada has explained that brahmana is one who is in the mode of goodness or sattvic, therefore all should aspire to become a Vaisnava - above all three modes of material nature, thus cast is irrelevant. Or one could say, brahmana is 'automatically' there.

 

Next, Kuvalapavana prabhu, you with your Ayran thing going, I am surpsied you did not catch this thread. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Where are you?