Govindaram Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hare Krishna I have been thinking that how can a pure devotees body becomes/is spiritual, and does this mean everything is spiritual and nothing is material, I just can't get my head around it, can somebody help please, hare krishna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yasodanandana Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 the material world is a section, a department (the jail) inside the totality of the spiritual sat cit ananda creation of god that actually is his expansion, his emanation, . material world is eternal, exactly like vaikunta, the difference is that it goes through cyclic creations and destructions to give us the illusion of the existence of birth and death.. so there's no difference in the constructive material, material world is also god's energy , god himself in the all pervasive form.. brahman the only essential difference is that the jivas entangled in the material world do not use the matter for serving krishna but for serving their false identification on the external body and to increase the forgiveness of their relationship with him.. so everything is already here, there's not to go to the spiritual world before starting to serve, the only thing to change is the destination of our dedication, devotion... the purpose of our acting from our gratification to the gratification of krsna bhagavan exactly like arjuna, making war and killing, the most horrible thing in the material world, becames pure devotional service because it is done for krishna, following the advice of the pure, bona fide, spiritual master (krishna too) so the difference from spiritual and material is essentially in the use of the energy... if we use it for krishna we are in the spiritual realm (just like we are using spiritually something like internet that is essentially a medium for increasing illusion, prajalpa, sex attachement and so on) so the components of the body of the vaishnava are the same earth, fire, water, air, ether of a common human's body.. but because he uses his body only for krsna's service, everything, his body, his mind, comes back to the original proprietor..sri krishna so the vaishnava belongs to krishna, he is krishna's exclusive property, and he's sended by krishna to save us from hell.. so what comes from krishna (mercy, prasadam) is pure and spiritual even if we have a perverted perception that make us see it as material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted February 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hare Krishna That is very nice thank you, I was also thinking about how we can chant a spiritual sound vibration with our present material senses, so from what you say (bona-fide) I know you're speaking from Sastra, that eventually our senses can be purified (spiritualised) or Krsnaized /images/graemlins/smile.gif So anything used in Krishna service becomes spiritual, even though it is made of material substance, um..I know this is true, but I can't think how it is, if you know what I mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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