Govindaram Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 ribit ribit ribit, 'say ello to my little friend' goodbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Stay away from anybody' who blashphemes devotees, its like having Al Pachino shoot ya in da bak of the head. say bye bye to devotion/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 We must be careful also. Just because one identifies with the ritvik conclusion(whatever that is) doesn't mean they aren't devotees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 "Stay away from anybody' who blashphemes devotees" So if I believe in the ritvik system I blapheme. Whats the big deal. I thought ...well I dont know just seems in all the books I read Prabhupad says to chant Hare Krishna & all is good. I dont get it. It all seemed so simple before I got online. I read, chanted, contibute to the BBT etc. Now I see there are these opposing ISKCON factions over details. I read some ritvik stuff last night like right here and it seems reasonable to me but there is so much on both sides I dont have several months to study it all. In the 17 years Ive been reading KC books Ive only meet 2 devotees & never meet a Guru, Master, or whatever but I consider myself a disciple of Prabhupad. As far as Im concerned if you chant the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra your cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 TRANSLATION You fools and rascals, all your grammatical word jugglery of suffixes, prefixes and philosophical speculation will not save you at the time of death. Just worship Govinda! Worship Govinda! Worship Govinda! Read the above verse! Whats the big deal? Ps. I love BBT, I get all my books from them Guys /images/graemlins/grin.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 I pray Lord Kalki will take me out. Being personally taken out by the Lord means you go to directly to his abode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Ppls who make a habit of blaspheming devotees, hardcore, Yes, and I like it as well, the more I hate the better I will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient_paztriot Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 "I pray Lord Kalki will take me out. Being personally taken out by the Lord means you go to directly to his abode. " You must be a demon. Krsna doesn't kill his devotees. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 It seems to me there is a difference to be realized between respecting someone and hearing from them. I stay away from hearing many ritviks because they tend to criticize Prabhupada's disciples who take on formal disciples. Same for ISKCON. They criticize Prabhupada's disciples who take on that responsibility apart from their offical sanction. But both groups do a lot of service. It's up to us all individually to take guidance from the Lord in heart in sorting it all out. The tendancy to sit back and hurl insults at one group or another appears to me to be a creeper killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 the more I hate the better I will be You are sick. This makes you no better than the people you are critizing. You should look in the mirror. You are filled with vile toxins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 "You must be a demon. Krsna doesn't kill his devotees." I havent been personaly taken out so I guess Im not one yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 it is too easy to blame others for your own problems and shortcomings. Easy to find excuses for not chanting. All the ritviks I know serve Prabhupada each and every day and chant their rounds and follow four regs. You are busy hurling insults on this forum. When do you chant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 "The tendancy to sit back and hurl insults at one group or another appears to me to be a creeper killer." You right, and for the above, for guest: I hate ALL ppls who blasphmeme devotees, as in hate to hear it, not that I hate devotees. If that makes me vile then thx. I chant 64 rounds or 1, the latter is what I do, anyway thats not the point of this thread. Its about avoiding offences.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient_paztriot Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 I agree with everything you just said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 You are hurling insults, being offensive and you are doing what you claim to hate others doing. you need to look in the mirror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient_paztriot Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 "I havent been personaly taken out so I guess Im not one yet." You're probably right. But we can be driven to heaven or hell: "May God have mercy on our soul." (I think alot of demons don't find out they've been playing that role t'll death). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govindaram Posted March 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Hare Krsna I don't think I am, though its been a learning experience, respect from a distance looks like the best advice, i.e Sandus in India who 'may' smoke Ganja etc, still they do service for Krsna, and should be respected, thankyou Thiest Prabhu, glad you are back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2004 Report Share Posted March 25, 2004 Then you are blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Haribol. The reason I oppose rtvik ideas is that the very word "rtvik" brings out the worst in people. I never heard that word (and believe me, I am very well read and have been a luke warm disciple since 1967, initiated in 1974) until 1997. And those who claim it (not all, many are genuinely wonderful disciples who have no battles with any disciple of Srila Prabhupada) as absolute truth make a habit of spreading horrible venom. Some venom against criminals disguised as devotees is valid, but not hurled at everyone who doesnt accept flaky and fragmented, edited archives of dubious authenticity. The funny thing about it all is that rtviks hate other rtviks as well. The rtviks are very factional, and hurl accusations against each other without pause. There is no barrier to accepting Srila Prabhupada as your guru, and there is no doubt that He accepts all those who accept his instructions, appearance aND disappearance has nothing to do with guru taqttwa. But these self appointed intermediaries are not involved in such a procewess. Associate, sure, associate with anyone who chants Haribol, but when the chanting stops, run like hell, cover your ears, wipe the dirt of discord off your feet when you leave. They (rtviks) have imagined all these final orders, stuff never discussed in the content of his books, as His final order, but they missed his real final order, a plea that his disciples cooperate with one another. All glories to the disciples of Srila Prabhupada who carry his legacy in the vyasasana of the heart. All glories to the fearless disciples, who, despite great criticism and faultfinding, take it upon themselves to give to others what Srila Prabhupada has given to them, hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Stay away from ideas not the people. There are people blaspheming devotees everywhere and they are devotees themselves. take care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2004 Report Share Posted March 26, 2004 Respecting SP is one thing. Blaspheming all other Vaishnava gurus, thinking that SP was and is the one and only bona fide Vaishnava guru in the universe is crazy, ridiculous and offensive. I love my own mother the best, but this does not mean that all other mothers are disgusting prostitutes, and my mother is the only bona fide mother. SP's disciples consider him the best, the disciples of Sridhar Maharaj consider Sridhar Maharaj the best, etc etc. Thats proper unless the perverted concept of "my guru is the ONLY guru, the ONLY savior, and all others are fake" enters our mind. Govindaram, please dont get into this disgusting aparadh-war going on everywhere in the world. Stay away for your own benefit. If someone thinks he can please Krsna by offending other devotees and gurus, let them do it. And let them suffer the terrible consequences they cant even dream of now. The best thing you could do - as someone already suggested - is to find a bona fide spiritual master who you can accept 100%, surrender to his instructions and do your bhajan and service nicely, happily. One last thought: some people may "chant" 16 or more rounds. But what are they chanting? The Holy Name or nama-aparadh? When an offender utters the name of Krishna, it is actually nama-aparadh, and not pleasing to the Lord at all. Similarly, when mayavadis sing Krishna's name, it actually causes pain to the Lord, not happiness. The same refers to all the vaishnava-aparadhis, no matter how they boast about "chanting 16 rounds". You remember the verse, bahu-janme kari yadi..., you can chant Krishna's names offensively for many many births without ever achieving love of God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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