It is unacceptable for anyone to digest that his/her religion is wrong

[gHari]

 

 

Just spam. This is not from God. Why waste our time?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yep,

gHari

 

-m.

[ShegavichaRana]

You said it all!! All these things are meant to impress the impressionable minds. Sanatana Dharma has been on earth since eternity. The loop holes that the layman or an outsider finds in Sanatana Dharma are nothing but signs of his/her own ignorance about the scriptures and their true meaning.

[syedhussaini]

The Quran on Mountains.

 

A book entitled 'Earth' is a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. One of its two authors is Professor Emeritus Frank Press. He was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots.[1] These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg (see figures 7, 8, and 9).

 

Figure 7: Mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground. (Earth, Press and Siever, p. 413.)

 

Figure 8: Schematic section. The mountains, like pegs, have deep roots embedded in the ground. (Anatomy of the Earth, Cailleux, p. 220.)

 

Figure 9: Another illustration shows how the mountains are peg-like in shape, due to their deep roots. (Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 158.) (Click on the image to enlarge it.)

 

This is how the Quran has described mountains. Allah has said in the Quran:

 

[Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs? (Quran, 78:6-7) ]

 

Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground (see figure 9) and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground.[2] So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word ‘peg,’ since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground. The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in the latter half of the nineteenth century.[3]

 

Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth.[4] They hinder the shaking of the earth. Allah has said in the Quran:

 

[ And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you... (Quran, 16:15) ]

 

Likewise, the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.[5]

 

Could anyone during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) have known of the true shape of mountains? Could anyone imagine that the solid massive mountain which he sees before him actually extends deep into the earth and has a root, as scientists assert? A large number of books of geology, when discussing mountains, only describe that part which is above the surface of the earth. This is because these books were not written by specialists in geology. However, modern geology has confirmed the truth of the Quranic verses.

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Footnotes:

 

(1) Earth, Press and Siever, p. 435. Also see Earth Science, Tarbuck and Lutgens, p. 157.

 

(2) The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, El-Naggar, p. 5.

 

(3) The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, p. 5.

 

(4) The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, pp. 44-45.

 

(5) The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran, p. 5.

[syedhussaini]

Figure-8

[syedhussaini]

Figure-9

[Guest guest]

Even IF the Quran had some scientific revelations in it, that does NOT make it the literal and ONLY word of God.

 

There were MANY enlightened people throughout history, who were responsible for creating religions. Some created Islam, some created Christianity, and some created Hinduism.

 

However, there ARE different LEVELS to that enlightenment. The process of kundalini is the source of that enlightenment. When a person's spiritual power is tapped into at the base of the spine is rises up and travels through the chakras to however high it can go. It depends on the person being enlightened as to how far he is enlightened. The ultimate chakra that needs to be reached is the sahasrara chakra. When that chakra is reached, you will know EVERYTHING. Not just a little knowledge, but everything. While the Quran seems to be expounding upon the reality of mountains, the vedas were expounding upon the reality of nature and the reality of the COSMOS. There's a lot of truth behind that in the vedas as well.

 

In other words, it seems the founders of Islam were more interested in the lower truth of reality because that's the furthest they got to being enlightened, while the rishis attained the highest enlightenment and were interested in the higher truth of reality.

 

Both religions could be the word of God in this respect, though. But it definitely doesn't prove Islam as the one and true religion.

[Guest guest]

We can also take things from our Sanathana Dharma which tell you about how the soul has a journey from this world to another and then back to the womb, with crystal clear representations of each process and even of how the embryo grows in a woman's womb. These types of things do not prove a thing. Talk to us about God and Allah and stop wasting your time by spamming, tell us how Allah is great rather than trying to prove it to us, or to yourself that Quran is the "literal" word of God by showing how the embryo develops.

 

The Romans too , who came much earlier than the fourteenth century prophet knew about heart and the circulatory system.

 

Any one can know about the physiology of the body. You cut it and take a peek , if you don't understand what it is, you make an explanation- it is a clay, it is like a leech , etc.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/bukhari/062.html

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Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 62:

 

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)

 

 

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

 

We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

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Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8:

 

The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah)

 

Chapter 22: AL AZL (INCOMPLETE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE): COITUS INTERRUPTUS

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Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

 

About Sahih Muslim:

 

http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/muslim/sahih_muslim.html

 

Introduction to Translation of Sahih Muslim

Translator: Abdul Hamid Siddiqui

 

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Sahih Muslim is a collection of sayings and deeds of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) (also known as the sunnah). The reports of the Prophet's sayings and deeds are called ahadith. Muslim lived a couple of centuries after the Prophet's death and worked extremely hard to collect his ahadith. Each report in his collection was checked for compatibility with the Qur'an, and the veracity of the chain of reporters had to be painstakingly established. Muslim's collection is recognized by the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world to be one of the most authentic collections of the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).

 

Muslim (full name Abul Husain Muslim bin al-Hajjaj al-Nisapuri) was born in 202 A.H. and died in 261 A.H. He travelled widely to gather his collection of ahadith, including to Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt. Out of 300,000 ahadith which he evaluated, only 4,000 approximately were extracted for inclusion into his collection based on stringent acceptance criteria. Muslim was a student of Bukhari.

 

It is important to realize, however, that Muslim's collection is not complete: there are other scholars who worked as Muslim did and collected other authentic reports.

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About Bukhari:

 

http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/bukhari/Sahih-al-Bukhari.html

 

Introduction to Translation of Sahih Bukhari

Translator: M. Muhsin Khan

 

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Sahih Bukhari is a collection of sayings and deeds of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), also known as the sunnah. The reports of the Prophet's sayings and deeds are called ahadeeth. Bukhari lived a couple of centuries after the Prophet's death and worked extremely hard to collect his ahadeeth. Each report in his collection was checked for compatibility with the Qur'an, and the veracity of the chain of reporters had to be painstakingly established. Bukhari's collection is recognized by the overwhelming majority of the Muslim world to be one of the most authentic collections of the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh).

 

Bukhari (full name Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim bin al-Mughira al-Ja'fai) was born in 194 A.H. and died in 256 A.H. His collection of hadeeth is considered second to none. He spent sixteen years compiling it, and ended up with 2,602 hadeeth (9,082 with repetition). His criteria for acceptance into the collection were amongst the most stringent of all the scholars of ahadeeth.

 

It is important to realize, however, that Bukhari's collection is not complete: there are other scholars who worked as Bukhari did and collected other authentic reports.

 

Sahih Bukhari is divided into nine volumes, each of which has several books. Each book contains many ahadeeth. The ahadeeth are numbered consecutively per volume. The books really only serve to group ahadeeth together, but the volumes impose the numbering.

 

 

Tell me how scientific is this

 

 

[krsna]

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/terrorism.htm

[krsna]

Why I Left Islam

 

 

By Ali Sina

 

I am often asked, Why I left Islam?. As absurd as it

may be, some Muslims cannot even allow themselves to

think that leaving Islam is an option, or even

possible. They rather think that those who leave Islam

are paid Jewish agents than accept the fact that

people have freedom to think and some may even think

that Islam is not for them. The following are my

reasons:

 

Until few years ago I used to think that my faith in

Islam was not based on blind imitation but rather was

the result of years of investigation and research. The

fact that I had read a lot of books on Islam, written

by people whose thoughts I approved of and delving

into philosophies that were within my comfort zone,

emphasized my conviction that I had found the truth.

All my biased research confirmed my faith. Just like

other Muslims I used to believe that to learn about

anything one has to go to the source. Of course the

source of Islam is the Quran and the books written by

Muslim scholars. Therefore, I felt no need to look

elsewhere in order to find the truth, as I was

convinced that I have already found it. As Muslims say

“Talabe ilm ba’d az wossule ma’loom mazmoom”. The

search of knowledge after gaining it is foolish.

 

Of course, this is a foolish idea. What if we want to

learn the truth about one of these dangerous cults? Is

it enough to depend only on what the cult leader and

his deluded followers say? Wouldn’t it be prudent to

widen our research and find out what other people have

to say about them? Going to the source makes sense

only in scientific matters, because scientists are not

“believers”. They do not say something because they

have blind faith. Scientists make a critical analysis

of the evidence. It is very much different from a

religious approach that is based entirely on faith and

belief.

 

I suppose it was my acquaintance with the western

humanistic values that made me more sensitive and

whetted my appetite for democracy, freethinking, human

rights, equality, etc. It was then that when I reread

the Quran I came across injunctions that were not on a

par with my newfound humanistic values, I was

distressed and felt very uncomfortable to read

teachings like these:

 

Q.3:90

But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and

then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never

will their repentance be accepted; for they are those

who have gone astray.

 

Q.16: 106

Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters

Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart

remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their

breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and

theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.

 

One may think that the dreadful penalty mentioned here

pertains to the next world. But Muhammad made sure

that these people received their penalty in this world

as well. See the following:

 

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577:

 

I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the

world) there will appear young people with foolish

thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but

they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its

game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So,

wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a

reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection."

 

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 260:

 

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn

'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not

have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish

(anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would

have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody

(a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 63, Number 261:

 

Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet

and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable

for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide

us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend

that you sh ould join the herd of camels." So they

went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels

(as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then

they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels,

and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims.

When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help,

he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun

rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands

and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails, which

were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were

left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They

asked for water, and nobody provided them with water

till they died.

 

 

And from Partial Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud Book

38, Number 4339

 

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The

blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no

god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle

should not lawfully be shed except only for one of

three reasons: a man who committed fornication after

marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who

goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in

which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled

from the land; or one who commits murder for which he

is killed.

 

 

The following is very disturbing. I dare to say that

any man who reads it and is not taken aback with

disgust has a long way to go to become a human.

 

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4348

 

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:

A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the

Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He

forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but

she did not give up her habit. One night she began to

slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him.

So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed

it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs

was smeared with the blood that was there. When the

morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was

informed about it.

He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah

the man who has done this action and I adjure him by

my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over

the necks of the people and trembling the man stood

up.

He . before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and

said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to

abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she

did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not

abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from

her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to

abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on

her belly and pressed it till I killed her.

Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be

witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood.

 

I felt the above story was a manifest injustice.

Muhammad condoned a man killing a pregnant mother and

his own unborn child just because he said that she

insulted him!

 

(Arabs used to sleep with their maid slaves. Quran

perpetuates this tradition Q.33: 52 “It is not lawful

for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to

change them for (other) wives, even though their

beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should

possess (as handmaidens): and Allah doth watch over

all things.” Muhammad himself slept with Mariyah the

maid slave of Hafsa his wife without marrying her.)

 

Forgiving someone for killing another human being just

because he said she insulted Muhammad is unacceptable.

What if that man was lying to escape punishment? What

does this story say about Muhammad’s sense of Justice?

During the past 1400 years, imagine how many husbands

escaped punishment for killing their innocent wives by

accusing them of blaspheming the prophet of God and

this Hadith has made them get away with it.

 

 

Here is another one:

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4349

 

Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:

A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him)

and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died.

The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that

no recompense was payable for her blood.

 

It was not easy to read these stories and not be

moved. There is no reason to believe that all these

stories were fabricated. Why should believers, who

have tried to depict their prophet as a compassionate

man fabricate so many stories that would make him look

like a ruthless tyrant?

 

I could no longer accept the brutal treatment of those

who chose not to accept Islam. Faith is a personal

matter. I could no more accept that the punishment of

someone who criticizes any religion must be death.

 

See how Muhammad dealt with the unbelievers:

 

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4359

 

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

The verse "The punishment of those who wage war

against Allah and His Apostle, and strive with might

and main for mischief through the land is execution,

or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet

from opposite side or exile from the land...most

merciful" was revealed about polytheists. If any of

them repents before they are arrested, it does not

prevent from inflicting on him the prescribed

punishment, which he deserves.”

 

How could a messenger of God maim and crucify people

on the account that they resist accepting him? Could

such a person really be a messenger of God? Wasn’t

there a better man with more moral and ethical

fortitude to bear this mighty responsibility?

 

I could not accept the fact that Muhammad slaughtered

900 Jews in one day, after he captured them in a raid

that he started. I read the following story and I

shivered:

 

 

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4390

 

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:

I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the

Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to

grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not

were not killed. I was among those who had not grown

hair

 

Also, I found following story shocking:

 

Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4396

 

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:

A thief was brought to the Prophet

(peace_be_upon_him). He said: Kill him. The people

said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then

he said: Cut off his hand. So his (right) hand was cut

off. He was brought a second time and he said: Kill

him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle

of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his foot.

So his (left) foot was cut off.

He was brought a third time and he said: Kill him.

The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of

Allah!

So he said: Cut off his hand. (So his (left) hand was

cut off.)

He was brought a fourth time and he said: Kill him.

The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of

Allah!

So he said: Cut off his foot. So his (right) foot was

cut off.

He was brought a fifth time and he said: Kill him.

So we took him away and killed him. We then dragged

him and cast him into a well and threw stones over

him.

 

Seems that Muhammad passed judgment before hearing the

case. Also by cutting a thief’s hand he is left with

no other means to earn his bread except begging, which

would be difficult since he is defamed as a thief and

so hated by people. Therefore re-offending becomes his

only means of livelihood.

 

After living many years in the West and being received

kindly by people of other religions or of no religion,

who loved me and accepted me as their friend; who let

me into their lives and their heart, I could no longer

accept the following mandates of the Quran as the

words of God:

 

Q.58: 22

You will not find any people who believe in Allah and

the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose

Allah and His Messenger…

 

Q.3: 118-120

O you who believe! Take not as (your) bitaanah

(advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends,

etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews,

Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail

to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm

you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their

mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse.

Indeed We have made clear to you the aayaat (proofs,

evidence, verses), if you understand. Lo! You are the

ones who love them but they love you not, and you

believe in all the Scriptures [i.e., you believe in

the Tawraat and the Injeel, while they disbelieve in

your Book (the Qur’an)]. And when they meet you, they

say, ‘We believe.’ But when they are alone, they bite

the tips of their fingers at you in rage. Say: ‘Perish

in your rage. Certainly Allah knows what is in the

breasts (all the secrets).’ If a good befalls you, it

grieves them, but some evil overtakes you, they

rejoice at it…

 

And

 

Q.5: 51

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the

Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers,

etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another…

 

I also found the above statement false. The evidence

is in the Bosnia and Kosovo crisis; where Christian

countries, waged war against another Christian

country, to liberate Muslims. Many Jewish doctors

volunteered to help the Kosovar refugees, despite the

fact that during the WWII, the same Albanian Muslims

took sides with Hitler and helped him in his holocaust

against the Jews.

 

It became obvious to me that Muslims are accepted by

all the people of the world yet our prophet wants us

to hate them, to disassociate ourselves from them, to

force them into our way of life or kill them, subdue

them and make them pay Jizya. How silly! How pathetic!

How inhumane! No wonder there is so much inexplicable

hate of the West and of the Jews among Muslims. It was

Muhammad who inseminated the hate and the distrust of

the non-believers among his followers. How can Muslims

integrate with other nations while holding these

hateful messages of the Quran as the words of God?

 

There are many Muslims who immigrate to non-Muslim

countries and are received with open arms. Many of

them get into politics and become part of the ruling

elite. We suffer no discrimination in the non-Islamic

countries. But see how our holy prophet tells us to

deal with non-Muslims where we are the majority:

 

Q.9: 29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,

nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by

Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion

of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the

Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing

submission, and feel themselves subdued.

 

I also find the following verses completely against my

conscience. I love all humanity and wish everyone to

be happy in this world and forgiven in the next. But

my holy prophet bade me not to seek forgiveness for

the unbelievers even if they are my parents and

beloved ones.

 

(Interpretation of the meaning by Muhsin Khan):

 

Q.9: 113

It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who

believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the

mushrikeen, even though they be of kin, after it has

become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the

Fire (because they died in state of disbelief).

 

Quran and hadith are full of outrageous verses like

these that to me are clear proof that Muhammad was not

a prophet, but a cult leader. To force people to

denounce their own family is what cults do. He was an

impostor who lied so loudly and so forcefully that the

ignorant people of his time believed in him. Then the

following generations echoed these lies passing them

to the next. Philosophers and writers were born in

this atmosphere of lies and elaborated on them,

embellished them, and made them credible. But when you

go to the core of the religion, when you read the

Quran and study the hadith you see they are nothing

but pure nonsense. Rumi was a great poet and a mystic,

he tried to give Islam mystical significance that it

lacked. But what Rumi said is Rumi's thinkimg. Quran

is bereft of mystical meanings. Muhammad's concept of

religion and god was extremely primitive. Why Rumi,

Attar, Sohravardi or other mystics strive to

attribute meanings to senseless verses of the Quran

has to do with their upbringing as Muslim kids. On one

hand, unlike the more rationalist thinkers such as Ar

Razi, they could not denounce Islam altogether for it

was ingrained in their subconscious mind. Nothing is

more difficult to get rid of than religion. This is

truly the most potent narcotic if it is administered

to a person from childhood. Yet as intelligent people

it was not possible for these great minds to accept

the Quran for its face vale. Therefore they tried to

find exoteric meanings in meaningless verses of the

Quran and it was they who gave birth to a new religion

that had nothing to do with what was taught by

Muhammad. Yet this religion was palatable to those

with brains.

 

Thus we have two Islams. One that makes strives to

attribute mystical significance and otherworldly

meanings to the inane teachings of the Quran, as is

professed by Sufis, and the other that rejects any

interpretation of these verses beyond their literal

meanings, as is practiced by the majority of Muslims

with their hob in Saudi Arabia among the Wahhabis. And

of course there is a myriad of sects that go in

between these two extremes, each interpreting the

Quran according to their own whims and caprices, each

calling others mortad or heretics and constantly

making war among themselves to impose their own

"right" version of the pure Islam on others.

 

However, the real Islam is not what its philosophers

and mystics have inferred but what is in the Quran and

that is the Islam of the fundamentalist and the

terrorist. The real Islam is the Islam that abuses

women, that allows men to beat their wives, that

imposes penalty tax on the religious minorities, that

wants to dominate the world by subduing all the

non-Muslims, that calls for Jihad and killing the

non-believers until Islam becomes the only dominant

religion of the World.

 

My rejection of Islam is not based on the bad deeds of

the Muslims but on the bad teachings of its holy book

and on the bad deeds of its founder. Many cruelties

and heinous acts of violence, perpetrated by Muslims

throughout the centuries were inspired by the Quran

and the Sunnah (the examples of the prophet). That is

why I condemn ISLAM for the bad things that Muslims

do. Any effort to humanize Islam is a waste of time.

The obstacle to any reform is Quran. The enemy is

Islam and that is the target of my attacks. I do that,

despite knowing that I have become the magnet of the

hatred of fanatical Muslims and my own life could be

in danger. Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can

save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that

otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause

more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars

combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace

among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity

in the Muslim world.

 

Ali Sina

 

 

[krsna]

Feb 14 2004

"Cultural Discrimination"

 

 

Those who listen to the mainstream news media here in the U.S. are aware of the fact that there is a great deal of mention these days of the different religions represented in the American mainstream. Strangely, however, the commentators always seem to exclude Hinduism in the list of worldwide religions. Within America, there are a great many practicing Hindus. Some practice very traditional forms, like Vaisnavism, and others identify with Yoga groups that are essentially Vedic in origin, following Vedic scriptures.

 

There is a great deal of talk about the difference between Christianity and Islam, but very little talk about how these religions compare to Hinduism. If we look at religious circumstance by geographical definition, we see that Christianity, Judism, and Islam all come from the Middle East. All three groups consider themselves 'People of the Book'. For some reason, Hinduism is seldom included in this geographical context, even though India's borders place it in close relationship to Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Those who exclude Hinduism from the discussion fail to recognize a huge percentage of the worldwide population in their assessment of what makes up the spiritual tapestry of the world today.

 

I have also observed that on the rare occasion when Hinduism is included with the other major religions, they often show a picture of a Sikh who, by definition, is not Hindu and doesn't follow Hindu scriptures. This is all quite strange when we consider that if any religion has had significant impact on Western culture, its been Hinduism. Prior to the U.S. becoming the world's leading imperialist power, England was in that position. Into the 19th century, India was England's principal colony, and was the source of their riches and power. A great deal of philosophy and culture migrated to the West via this avenue -- much more so than Muslim culture.

 

There is a great deal of focus today on the fact that the Muslims have an intense dislike for the Jews because of what's taking place in Israel. Yet the Muslims actually dislike Hindus more than they dislike any other religion in the world – including the Jews and American Christians. The fact is that Hindus are not only barred from getting work visas, they aren't even allowed to enter into countries like Saudi Arabia. Indians that are Muslim can work in these countries, but Indians they are Hindu cannot. Saudi Arabia won't even let Hindus leave the transit lounge of the airport.

 

Westerners have paid little attention to Indian history, and few are aware that the Muslims invaded and subjugated the northern half of India for centuries. This resulted in the breaking off of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Although Hindus have long been know for their expansive religious tolerance, the Muslims were extremely violent in their actions against the Hindus. Ironically, the thing that Westerners symbolize as being Indian's most cherished architectural structure is the Taj Mahal, which was built by a ruthless Muslim king who tore down Indian temples to supply the marble for a tomb for his dead wife. Most Hindus consider this to be a great sacrilege, yet Westerners flock to the site and think they are appreciating Hindu culture.

 

Even though India is the largest English-speaking country in the world, as well as the biggest democracy, and has a high tolerance for multi-religious, multi-ethnic populations, these facts are not relayed through the U.S. media. Of course, now its not 'politically correct' to mention these things because it will offend the Muslims.

 

Vaisnavism, which is the most prominent Hindu religious faith, is philosophically closer to the religious teachings of Christ than any other major religion, including Islam. Unfortunately, this fact is not recognized or appreciated in America. We can only hope that time will correct this blatant discrepancy. More Hindus should speak out against the government's and the media's disregard for these realities.

 

Rocana dasa

 

[Guest guest]

considered to be a Vedic Shiva temple now? At least there's some speculation to that.

 

So in a way, tourists visiting the Taj Mahal ARE appreciating Hindu culture if that were true.

[gHari]

Many times while reading that scripture I had similar ideas that only some sort of sense of politeness stopped me from shouting. Ali stands square and says it out loud. Perhaps only an African American can call another black man a 'nigger' without overstepping the boundaries of good taste.

 

Maybe the prophet's alleged teachings were valid for a time and a place, but to take some of those violent cruel verses into eternity and over the entire planet is simply sick and wicked.

 

Ali didn't have enough hate in him to be a good Muslim. No shame in that.

 

 

[krsna]

 

Yes,

This is the New Age of Higher Spiritual Life inagurated by Sriman Mahaprabhu

Like Chand Kazi they will see the inherent flaws of ISLAM and move onto the Vedic Dharma by Gouranga's causeless mercy...

 

 

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the real Islam is not what its philosophers

and mystics have inferred but what is in the Quran and

that is the Islam of the fundamentalist and the terrorist . The real Islam is the Islam that abuses

women, that allows men to beat their wives, that

imposes penalty tax on the religious minorities, that

wants to dominate the world by subduing all the

non-Muslims, that calls for Jihad and killing the

non-believers until Islam becomes the only dominant

religion of the World.

 

My rejection of Islam is not based on the bad deeds of

the Muslims but on the bad teachings of its holy book

and on the bad deeds of its founder. Many cruelties

and heinous acts of violence, perpetrated by Muslims

throughout the centuries were inspired by the Quran

and the Sunnah (the examples of the prophet). That is

why I condemn ISLAM for the bad things that Muslims

do. Any effort to humanize Islam is a waste of time.

The obstacle to any reform is Quran. The enemy is

Islam and that is the target of my attacks. I do that,

despite knowing that I have become the magnet of the

hatred of fanatical Muslims and my own life could be

in danger. Yet I know that by eradicating Islam we can

save the world from the dangers of a catastrophe that

otherwise is looming over our heads and could cause

more disaster than the 1st and 2nd World Wars

combined. Eradication of Islam means restoring peace

among humanity and civility, democracy and prosperity

in the Muslim world.

 

Ali Sina

[Guest guest]

I like this saying, "Say No to ISLAM"

 

-murali

[Guest guest]

In 1013 AD Mahmud advanced against Nandana where the Shahiya king, Anandapal, had established his new capital. The Hindus fought very hard but lost. Again, the temples were destroyed, and the citizens slaughtered. Utbi provides an account of the plunder and the prisoners of war:

 

"The Sultan returned in the rear of immense booty, and slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap and men of respectability in their native land were degraded by becoming slaves of common shopkeepers. But this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honor on his own religion and degrades infidelity."

 

The road was now clear for an assault on the heartland of Hindustan. In December 1018 AD Mahmud crossed the Yamuna, collected 1,000,000 dirhams from Baran (Bulandshahar), and marched to Mahaban in Mathura district. Utbi records:

 

"The infidels...deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river...but many of them were slain, taken or drowned... Nearly fifty thousand men were killed."

 

Mathura was the next victim. Mahmud seized five gold idols weighing 89,300 missals and 200 silver idols. According to Utbi, "The Sultan gave orders that all the temples should be burnt with naptha and fire, and levelled with the ground." The pillage of the city continued for 20 days.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sufis Role in Islamic Conversions

 

As a leading Pakistani poet Jamiluddin Aali has pointed out in an article, even the much vaunted Sufi ounder of Chishti Dargah in Ajmer (Moinuddin Chishti) came in the train of Muhammad Ghori's army, converted a local Hindu religious centre to Islamic one and started consolidating the forcible conversion work begun by soldiers of invaders. As K.S. Lal says in his excellent study Indian Muslims - Who Are They?, the conversion work was enforced by "the Muslim rulers, soldiers and the Sufis" alike. The Sufis used the state power to shower patronage on defeated and displaced Rajput leaders to get lands and patronage for them in lieu of conversion of their large racial and community groups. Such patronage brokered by the Sufi orders secured large-scale group conversions. Those displaced Rajput chiefs were granted lands as far as the River Sind in West Punjab by some other Sufi heads like Baba Farid of Pak Pattan. The big zamindar families of West Punjab like those of Sikander Hayat Khan, Feroz Khan Noon and the biggest of them all-Khize Hayat Khan Tiwana were Rajputs from Central India ousted from their estates by Balban and rewarded with landed estates in lieu of conversion after migration from Central India to Punjab's virgin lands.

[Guest guest]

Muslims don't even think about converting people, first try to act like good muslims rather than pose yourselves to be the followers of "the light of God" .

 

Try to act like the followers of that light. Give charity to the poor, become non violent , accept and tolerate other faiths and then finally you will see the true light of God and every one will change to your religion. Until then, please don't go anywhere to convert people, especially to an online forum. No offense but it is sheer foolishness to try to convert religious people on a religious discussion forum to another religion unless it is done by a pure hearted one who really has the light of God. Until you get that "light", try to correct yourselves. Then that spiritual power will flow to us and ofcourse everyone then will convert to your religion.

 

Until then,

PEACE!

[syedhussaini]

You can find One Ali Sina & One Salman Rushdie leaving Islam but you can also find Lakhs of Hindus and Lakhs of Christians and lakhs of other religion followers entering into the fold of Islam. Why?

Allah says in the Holy Quran:

Al-Imran Verses 26&27:

 

26. Say (O Muhammad ): "O Allâh! Possessor of the kingdom, You give the kingdom to whom You will, and You take the kingdom from whom You will, and You endue with honour whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will. In Your Hand is the good. Verily, You are Able to do all things.

 

27. You make the night to enter into the day, and You make the day to enter into the night (i.e. increase and decrease in the hours of the night and the day during winter and summer), You bring the living out of the dead, and You bring the dead out of the living. And You give wealth and sustenance to whom You will, without limit (measure or account).

 

In the 27th Ayah, if you read -

'You bring the living out of the dead' - Make Non-Muslims as Muslims, Make dead people alive, etc.

'You bring the dead out of the living'. - Make Muslims as Non-Muslims, Make alive people dead, etc.

 

So, It is Allah who has the power to do everything.

 

Say - "La Ilaha Illal la Mohammadur Rasul Allah" and be happy.

 

The great challenge to produce One Chapter Like the Chapters of the Holy Qur'an

Allah has said in the Quran:

 

23. And if you (Arab pagans, Jews, and Christians) are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down (i.e. the Qur'ân) to Our slave (Muhammad ), then produce a Sûrah (chapter) of the like thereof and call your witnesses (supporters and helpers) besides Allâh, if you are truthful.

 

24. But if you do it not, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

 

25. And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise). Every time they will be provided with a fruit therefrom, they will say: "This is what we were provided with before," and they will be given things in resemblance (i.e. in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwâjun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), (having no menses, stools, urine, etc.) and they will abide therein forever.

 

Ever since the Qur'an was revealed, fourteen centuries ago, no one has been able to produce a single chapter like the chapters of the Qur'an in their beauty, eloquence, splendor, wise legislation, true information, true prophecy, and other Perfect attributes. Also, note that the smallest chapter in Qur'an (Chapter 108) is only ten words, yet no one has ever been able to meet this challenge, then or today (See Al-Borhan fee Oloom Al-Qur'an, Al-Zarkashy, vol.2, p.224). Some of the disbelieving Arabs who were enemies of Prophet Mohammed (Sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) tried to meet this challenge, but they failed to do so. (See Al-Borhan fee Oloom Al-qur'an, Al-Zarkashy, vol.2, p.226.). This failure was despite the fact that the Qur'an was revealed in their own language and dialect and the Arabs at the time of Mohammed (sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) were very eloquent people who used to compose beautiful and excellent poetry, still read and appreciated today.

 

What does Islam Say about Terrorism?

islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Qur'an, Allah has said:

[Allah does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. Allah loves just dealers.] (Quran, 60:8)

The prophet Mohammed (sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children[1] and he would advise them: {...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.}[2] And he also said: {Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.}[3]

 

Also, the Prophet Muhammad (sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) has forbidden punishment with fire.[4]

 

He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,[5] and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, {The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.[6]}[7]

 

Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad (sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) said: {A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.}[8]

 

He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so Allah forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet sallal-lahu-alaihi-wa-sallam) was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: {There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.}[9]

 

Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: {When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.}[10]

 

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.

 

(1) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1744, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3015.

 

(2) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1731, and Al-Tirmizi, #1408.

 

(3) Narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3166, and Ibn Majah, #2686.

 

(4) Narrated in Abu-Dawood, #2675.

 

(5) Narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #6871, and Saheeh Muslim, #88.

 

(6) This means killing and injuring.

 

(7) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1678, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #6533.

 

(8) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2422, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2365.

 

(9) This saying of Muhammad has been mentioned in more detail on this page. Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #2244, and Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #2466.

 

(10) Narrated in Saheeh Muslim, #1955, and Al-Tirmizi, #1409.

 

 

[gHari]

But no, there are lakhs and lakhs and lakhs throughout all of history, throughout the world. As you say, lakhs and lakhs.

 

Get your own flock in order before you attempt to gather more sheep. You cannot manage the ones you have now.

 

Soon no sane man will give Islam a second thought.

 

Watching them drag burned bodies through the streets, the civilized world is about to pull the plug on Islam. Make no mistake. We are not Islam's enemies. Preach within. We will be deaf for some time to come - the history is too long and the present too close and the future too frightening.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Syedhussaini,

 

Did you read the quoted verses below from Sahih muslim and Sahih Bukhari. Both texts are considered as Sunnah(autentic examples from your prophets life). This clearly exposes what kind of man your prohet was.

 

Read the verses below. Some followers of your prophet who did not have sex during war times wanted to have sex with catured innocent women. Your prophet does not mention one word against this blatant kidnapping and rape of innocent women. Instead he tells them to practise azl, and even tells them that the life whiach was supposed to be born through the act of rape will be resurructed during judgement.

 

Will any ordinary man with a sense of justice talk like this ? When such is the case for ordinary men, surely a man of GOD would never tolerate such acts.

 

Your prophet is much lesser than the ordinary man. Surely a book given by him must have lots of inhuman teachings. So we find all those verses that teach men that they can have concubines(in quran), that teach muslim men to kill innocent men and take their wives and daughters as concubines etc.

 

Syedhussaini, if you are an honest person, you will ponder over this and know that islam is a dangerous cult. This religion is not from any god, but surely from a Shaitan.

 

 

http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/bukhari/062.html

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Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 62:

 

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)

 

 

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

 

We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

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Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8:

 

The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah)

 

Chapter 22: AL AZL (INCOMPLETE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE): COITUS INTERRUPTUS

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Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

 

 

[Haridham]

Wow this "gentleman" has not done his homework has he. I am sure he has fooled many others in other "hindu" websites but he has no clue that we are in the army of Srila Prabhupad.

 

Wow amazing. I find it funny that after commiting acts such as suicide which not only kills them but hundreds of innocent people all I have heard is that they go to heaven to enjoy with 75 virgins. What about serving Allah?

 

Isnt that more important then having 75 virgins?

 

ANyways, please rant on with more of your quotes which only exposes the incompetence of what you are following.

 

Hare Krsna

[Haridham]

You know its interesting how fanatical some of these so called muslims get when people of other faiths are around.

 

On new years harinam this past december, we were walking around granville street with a massive new years harinam when we reached a section which had a lot of people and clubs etc, etc, etc.

 

Our kirtans blew peoples minds away and many people joined in. However I spotted these two muslim guys with beer bottle's in their hands came in from one of the clubs and started saying "allah" and "kalistan" and why we should become muslim to us. Also they started to grab one our ladies which got a reaction from me since I was the closest I asked them if allah was in that club which they came from. I asked them if they were muslim before they went to the club or after. I told them not to touch our matajis and they didnt have much to say and we continued with our chanting and me keeping an eye on them.

 

So thats something I had to share.

 

Hare Krsna

[Guest guest]

Well,

 

My five year old son and other Hindu boys were attacked by a group of sixteen year old Muslim boys last July, when my son and his friends were sitting at the front of the temple here in Sydney.

 

The Muslims threw eggs at my son and his friends, and shouted threats and abuse at the little kids. One boy was hit on the face with an egg. Many eggs went through the door and splattered on the floor in the temple room. My son and his friends ran into the temple, and hid.

 

Needless to say, my son and his friends don't like Muslims. My son, as I said, was five when this happened.

 

Earlier last year, the Muslims blasted the temple with shotguns and rifle bullets, smashing some windows.

 

- Muralidhar