Jesus the Only Way

[Guest guest]

Vedas or Hindu religion teaches in all roads leading to the same goal: salvation, moksha or way to God. They consider Jesus as another avatara or atleast another moral teacher. the same Jesus claimed "I am the way, the Truth and the Life" This is an absolute claim contradictory to the philosophy of all roads leadig to Rome. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and only path for salvation. If we even consider him an avatara or a moral teacher we have to rethink: Can a avatara tell a lie? We choose to believe that he is a moral teacher or another reincernation of God and yet dont believe His claim (given in the Bible), how is that?

[gHari]

He is the external manifestation of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter, the Supersoul, Paramatma, caitya-guru, Ksirodakashayi Vishnu who resides in the heart of every living entity.

 

Without the grace of Guru no one can climb up to Krsna. Because we are so attached to the mundane world through eons of conditioning we cannot properly hear from God within our hearts directly, so He appears before our senses in the form of a pure devotee of God. Lord Jesus Christ is considered by sadhus to have been especially empowered by God Himself to perform a specific mission while in the world.

 

The mind is filled with such ferocious crocodiles meant to derail you. If you don't follow Krsna's advice in the Bhagavad-gita, but instead continue to operate on a mental level, led by your mind and not by Krsna, then progress will be very troublesome. We need Krsna. We either learn that or we fall back into oblivion, defeated by myriads of doubts and paradoxes generated by the tiny exhausted outmatched brain.

 

Guru not mind. There is only one way. And that leads to Sri Krsna.

 

Lord Krishna says to Arjuna in the Song of God (Bhagavad-gita 4.11):<BLOCKQUOTE><CENTER><font color="RED">ye yathA mAM prapadyante

tAMs tathaiva bhajAmy aham

mama vartmAnuvartante

manuSyAH pArtha sarvazaH

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ye--all who; yathA--as; mAm--unto Me; prapadyante--surrender; tAn--them; tathA--so; eva--certainly; bhajAmi--reward; aham--I; mama--My; vartma--path; anuvartante--follow; manuSyAH--all men; pArtha--O son of PRthA; sarvazaH--in all respects.

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As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of PRthA.

 

PURPORT

Everyone is searching for KRSNa in the different aspects of His manifestations. KRSNa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is partially realized in His impersonal brahmajyoti effulgence and as the all-pervading Supersoul dwelling within everything, including the particles of atoms. But KRSNa is fully realized only by His pure devotees. Consequently, KRSNa is the object of everyone's realization, and thus anyone and everyone is satisfied according to one's desire to have Him. In the transcendental world also, KRSNa reciprocates with His pure devotees in the transcendental attitude, just as the devotee wants Him.

 

One devotee may want KRSNa as supreme master, another as his personal friend, another as his son, and still another as his lover. KRSNa rewards all the devotees equally, according to their different intensities of love for Him. In the material world, the same reciprocations of feelings are there, and they are equally exchanged by the Lord with the different types of worshipers. The pure devotees both here and in the transcendental abode associate with Him in person and are able to render personal service to the Lord and thus derive transcendental bliss in His loving service.

 

As for those who are impersonalists and who want to commit spiritual suicide by annihilating the individual existence of the living entity, KRSNa helps also by absorbing them into His effulgence. Such impersonalists do not agree to accept the eternal, blissful Personality of Godhead; consequently they cannot relish the bliss of transcendental personal service to the Lord, having extinguished their individuality. Some of them, who are not firmly situated even in the impersonal existence, return to this material field to exhibit their dormant desires for activities. They are not admitted into the spiritual planets, but they are again given a chance to act on the material planets.

 

For those who are fruitive workers, the Lord awards the desired results of their prescribed duties, as the yajJezvara; and those who are yogIs seeking mystic powers are awarded such powers. In other words, everyone is dependent for success upon His mercy alone, and all kinds of spiritual processes are but different degrees of success on the same path. Unless, therefore, one comes to the highest perfection of KRSNa consciousness, all attempts remain imperfect, as is stated in the SrImad-BhAgavatam (2.3.10):

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akAmaH sarva-kAmo vA

mokSa-kAma udAra-dhIH

tIvreNa bhakti-yogena

yajeta puruSaM param

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"Whether one is without desire [the condition of the devotees], or is desirous of all fruitive results, or is after liberation, one should with all efforts try to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead for complete perfection, culminating in KRSNa consciousness."</blockquote>

While ultimately all paths lead to Rome, we must understand that we can turn off the traffic circle when we see the Rome sign or we can go around the circle again and then turn at the Rome sign, or after ten times around, etc. We can even drive up to Paris and out to Moscow, down to Baghdad, and then on back to the traffic circle, and round and round for a few million years. Then turn off at the sign - Rome at last! There is an express route, but we are a stubborn lot. And we seem to be having so much fun driving around the traffic circle, again and again and again.

 

The secret, the express route was revealed in the verse before the one quoted above:<blockquote>"Being freed from attachment, fear and anger, being fully absorbed in Me and taking refuge in Me, many, many persons in the past became purified by knowledge of Me -- and thus they all attained transcendental love for Me."</blockquote>

 

"And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." - Jesus Christ

 

 

[Subala108]

According to the Bible, Jesus says "I am the the way, the light and the truth. No one cometh to the father but by me"

 

This verse is in my opinion one of the most dangerous verses in christian literature. This verse has been instrumental in the many christian genocides inflicted on the non-christian world, because this verse seems to imply that Jesus is the only way to God. All other paths are null and void.

 

I often ask christians if the above verse is an absolute or realative truth. They always say that is it is absolute truth meaning that this verse is applicable at all times, places and circumstances. But unfortunately this is flawed thinking for the reasons outlined below:

 

1. God by definition is second to none otherwise He would not be God.

 

2. Christians believe in Satan who appears to be God's competitor

 

3. According to christian thinking only those surrendered to Jesus will go to heaven to be with God and all others will go to Hell to be with Satan.

 

4. There are 5 billion people, give or take a few million, on this planet of which only 1 billion are christian. 4 billion, including myself, are non christian.

 

5. If we except that Jesus is the only way as the above verse suggests then it follows that only 1 billion people go to God when they die and 4 billion, including me, will go to hell when they die.

 

6. This means that God gets only 1 billion souls and Satan gets 4 billion souls, which makes Satan more powerful than God.

 

7. This means that Satan must be God.

 

So if we are to accept the above verse as an absolute truth then Satan becomes God!

 

Obviously the above verse is a realtive truth. There are other paths to God.

 

This argument usually shocks christians, but as a great acarya once said a religion without philosophy is just sentimentalism.

 

A non christian

 

Subala Sakha dasa

[gHari]

From Mark 9.1-9:<blockquote>And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

 

And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

 

And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

 

And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

 

And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

 

For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

 

And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

 

And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

 

And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.</blockquote>

Moses walked the earth hundreds of years earlier. Yet he is here, with Jesus. Was he saved not knowing of Jesus? It seems so - to Christian clerics anyway.

 

[Guest guest]

Jesus was born only about 2000 years ago.

What will happen to the poor souls who were born before the arrival of JC?

 

If Christians believe in reincarnation, we can atleast say, they were reborn and after they were reborn, accepted JC and attained Salvation.

 

But Christians are not smart enough and they have burnt the bridge of reincarnation. So those souls are not reborn and they are permanently in hell or what? for no fault of theirs?

[Kulapavana]

"According to the Bible, Jesus says "I am the the way, the light and the truth. No one cometh to the father but by me"

 

Bible is full of doctored verses - just study the early history of Christianity.

 

It takes a devotee of the Lord to recognize another devotee... "christians" claiming exclusivity for their religion are the same people who were willing to exterminate entire nations "for the sake of the Lord" (but more so to line their own pockets with gold). for demons in Kali-yuga there is no better business than religion.

[theist]

Some scholars claim it was an added verse. I don't know. The way I hear it is Jesus is Bhakti personified so of course He is the only way.

[ancient_paztriot]

Theist, you obviously enjoy that bhakti salve for your eyes that you just can't purchase with money.

 

Vedas say the same thing… you don't jump over the spiritual master.

 

Guest(s)… next… ? (So many challenges, but no understanding.)

 

Then go off and follow Jesus. Why are you here with us sinners? To convert? Or derail?

 

Do you jump over the "teacher" when acquiring knowledge from any field?

 

"Guru" simply denotes a spiritual teacher… and you can call 'em Jesus or Prabhupada… or Buddha… the song remains the same. What changes is the time and circumstance of the performance.

 

They all agree that material life is harmful for the conditioned soul. What is the merit of your Christian process contrasted with KC? (Silence? …yawn.)

 

Everything is contained withing the Aboslute. You are a part of that - even if you can't ascertain the cause.

 

You post a challenge. But can you justify your own religion/philosophy from all angles? Or you just trying to exploit religion? Are you being objective? Are you gonna answer?

 

(Pssst: All we can do is TRY AGAIN!)

[krsna]

 

Tomorrow is Good Friday

 

 

 

(BTG -- Volume 12, No. 12. Dec. 1977)

 

The Tolerance And Compassion of Christ

 

The Srimad-Bhagavatam states that any bona fide preacher of God consciousness

must have the qualities of titiksa (tolerance) and karuna (compassion). In the

character of Lord Jesus Christ we find both these qualities. He was so tolerant

that even while he was being crucified, he didn't condemn anyone. And he was so

compassionate that he prayed to God to forgive the very persons who were trying

to kill him. (Of course, they could not actually kill him. But they were

thinking that he could be killed, so they were committing a great offense.) As

Christ was being crucified he prayed, "Father, forgive them. They know not what

they are doing."

 

[ancient_paztriot]

Very dramatic symbolism. But not very reflective of reality.

 

You don't jerk the "highest truth around". You don't "nail him to a cross" and try to exploit Him in any way. If you do, you're not dealing with reality.

 

Your vision is limited at best.

 

Is this your highest vision of spiritual life? The ultimate sacrifice? … Maybe you're seeing yourself on the cross?

[Guest guest]

"...Jesus is Bhakti personified so of course He is the only way."

 

Srimati Radharani alone is the personification of bhakti -- others can only personify bhakti. According to vaishnavas, Lord Jesus Christ is a jiva soul like us, although specially empowered. I'm sure you appreciate this important difference between God and guru. Just wanted to clarify for non-vaishnavas or others who may not.

[krsna]

 

 

Krishna and Jesus Christ

 

 

Many people often wonder what is the view of Lord Jesus Christ in the Krishna consciousness movement.

 

Srila Prabhupada, the foremost exponent of the Krishna

consciousness movement explains that Jesus is Krishna's representative, son of God, and spiritual master.

 

Below are excerpts from Srila Prabhupada's books, lectures, and conversations about Jesus Christ and his

relationship with Krsna.

 

 

 

"If one loves Krishna, he must love Lord Jesus also. And if one perfectly loves Jesus he must love Krishna too. If he says, "Why shall I love Krishna? I shall love Jesus," then he has no knowledge. And if one says, "Why shall I love Jesus? I shall love Krishna", then he has no knowledge either. If one understands Krishna, then he will understand Jesus. If one understands Jesus, you'll understand Krishna too"

(Srila Prabhupada - Room conversation with Allen Ginsberg, May 12, 1969 / Columbus - Ohio)

 

 

 

As Lord Jesus Christ said, we should hate the sin, not the sinner. That is a very nice statement, because the sinner is under illusion. He is mad. If we hate him, how can we deliver him? Therefore, those who are advanced devotees, who are really servants of God, do not hate anyone. When Lord Jesus Christ was being crucified, he said, "My God, forgive them. They know not what they do." This is the proper attitude of an advanced devotee. He understands that the conditioned souls cannot be hated, because they have become mad due to their materialistic way of thinking. In this Krsna consciousness movement, there is no question of hating anyone. Everyone is welcomed to come and chant Hare Krsna, take krsna-prasada, listen to the philosophy of Bhagavad-gita, and try to rectify material, conditioned life. This is the essential program of Krsna consciousness.

(Path of Perfection Chapter 3: Learning How to See God)

 

 

Christian, Muhammadan, Hindu-it doesn't matter. If he is simply speaking on behalf of God, he is a guru. Lord Jesus Christ, for instance. He canvassed people, saying, "Just try to love God." Anyone-it doesn't matter who-be he Hindu, Muslim, or Christian, is a guru if he convinces people to love God. That is the test. The guru never says, "I am God," or "I will make you God." The real guru says, "I am a servant of God, and I will make you a servant of God also." It doesn't matter how the guru is dressed. As Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, "Whoever can impart knowledge about Krsna is a spiritual master." A genuine spiritual master simply tries to get people to become devotees of Krsna, or God. He has no other business.

(Science of Self Realization Chapter 2: Choosing a Spiritual Master)

 

So Lord Jesus Christ said, "My Lord, hallowed be Thy name." He wants to glorify the name of the Lord. And some people says that there is no name of God. How? If Lord Jesus Christ says "Hallowed by Thy name," there must be name. The name is there, but he did not pronounce it because the people at that time will not be able to understand or maybe some reason, but he says there is name. So we are making this propaganda, Krsna consciousness movement, the "Hallowed by Thy name. My Lord Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, let Your holy name be glorified." This is our movement. It is not a sectarian...(Lecture: Bhagavad Gita 3.27 Melbourne June 27, 1974)

 

Sometimes Sri Krsna descends Himself, and sometimes He sends His representative. The major religions of the world-Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and Moslem-believe in some supreme authority or personality coming down from the kingdom of God. In the Christian religion, Jesus Christ claimed to be the son of God and to be coming from the kingdom of God to reclaim conditioned souls. As followers of Bhagavad-gita, we admit this claim to be true. So basically there is no difference of opinion. In details there may be differences due to differences in culture, climate and people, but the basic principle remains the same-that is, God or His representatives come to reclaim conditioned souls.

(Raja Vidya Chapter 6 :Knowledge of Krsna's Appearance and Activities)

 

Just like Lord Jesus Christ. He was so badly treated and still he was thinking, "Father, they do not know what they are doing. Please excuse." This is suhrdah. He is praying to God This is sadhu, mahatma. Suhrdah prasanta. Not that... In India there are examples like Haridasa Thakura, Prahlada Maharaja. And the Western countries also, Lord Jesus Christ, he is saktyavesa-avatara, God's son. And he tolerated so much. These are the examples of mahatma. Don't misunderstand that we are preaching that mahatmas are only in India. No. By the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead there are mahatmas even amongst the birds, even amongst the beasts, even amongst the lower than animals. Because this Krsna consciousness movement is going on in different places, in different circumstances.(Srimad Bhagavatam 5.5.3 --vrndavana Oct 25, 1976)

 

 

Conversation with Father Emmanuel - In 1974, near ISKCON's center in Frankfurt am Main, West Germany, Srila Prabhupada and several of his disciples took a morning walk with father Emmanuel Jungclaussen, a Benedictine monk from Niederalteich Monastery. Noticing that Srila Prabhupada was carrying meditation beads similar to the rosary, Father Emmanuel explained that he also chanted a constant prayer: "Lord Jesus Christ, be merciful unto us." The following conversation ensued.

 

Conversation with Cardinal Danielou - "Thou Shalt Not Kill" or "Thou Shalt Not Murder"?

At a monastic retreat near Paris, in July of 1973, Srila Prabhupada talked with Cardinal Jean Danielou: "... the Bible does not simply say, `Do not kill the human being.' It says broadly, `Thou shalt not kill.'... why do you interpret this to suit your own convenience?"

 

From Perfect Questions, Perfect Answers - Discussions between Peace Corps Worker Bob Cohen and His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

 

Jesus Christ Was a Guru - The spiritual leader of the Hare Krsna movement here recognizes Lord Jesus Christ as "the son of God, the representative of God... our guru... our spiritual master," yet he has some sharp words for those who currently claim to be Christ's followers...

 

A devotee of Krsna is friendly to everyone. Therefore it is said here that he has no enemy (nirvairah). How is this? A devotee situated in Krsna consciousness knows that only devotional service to Krsna can relieve a person from all the problems of life. He has personal experience of this, and therefore he wants to introduce this system, Krsna consciousness, into human society. There are many examples in history of devotees of the Lord who risked their lives for the spreading of God consciousness. The favorite example is Lord Jesus Christ. He was crucified by the nondevotees, but he sacrificed his life for spreading God consciousness. Of course, it would be superficial to understand that he was killed. Similarly, in India also there are many examples, such as Thakura Haridasa and Prahlada Maharaja. Why such risk? Because they wanted to spread Krsna consciousness, and it is difficult. A Krsna conscious person knows that if a man is suffering it is due to his forgetfulness of his eternal relationship with Krsna. Therefore, the highest benefit one can render to human society is relieving one's neighbor from all material problems. In such a way, a pure devotee is engaged in the service of the Lord. Now, we can imagine how merciful Krsna is to those engaged in His service, risking everything for Him. Therefore it is certain that such persons must reach the supreme planet after leaving the body.

(Chapter 11 Bhagavad gita text 55 purport)

 

[theist]

 

Srimati Radharani alone is the personification of bhakti -- others can only personify bhakti.

 

 

Thanks. I may have used the word improperly but I'm still not clear.

 

I do accept that Jesus is jiva-tattva.

 

You state others can only personify bhakti. That is what I was trying to say. But if someone personifies bhakti why is it wrong to say they are the personification of bhakti?

 

I do not understand grammer so is it just a grammatical error or ?

 

I appreciate the correction.

[Guest guest]

I knew you had the right realization, prabhu. Personification implies complete containment as if he were the whole of Bhakti himself, while "personifies" indicates his life and himself as an expression of Bhakti.

 

I may be getting too picky here, but I see only Radha-Krsna as all-in-all and others as partial representatives manifesting particular aspects of Them for certain purposes under different times and circumstances.

 

Personally I understand the appearance of Lord Jesus as both the Son of Man and Son of God simultaneously bridging the gap of impersonalism and fear in the Old Testament, thereby opening us into a more loving intimacy with God as our universal Father, "...and He so loved the world..."

 

Just as Krsna contains all other avataras and more, I believe Radha is the whole enchilada when it comes to love and devotion. Actually, the full extent of Her remains inconceivable not only for us, but to Them as well! This is the great mystery we will come to know only when invited into Their pastimes.

 

Wondrously, we will then be able to help the Divine Couple plumb the infinite depths of Their most glorious relationship. How great is that, I ask you?

[Guest guest]

"I do not understand grammer so is it just a grammatical error or ?"

 

Think I may just have been looking for another opportunity to glorify Srimati Radharani... After all, you didn't say THE personification of Bhakti and of course Bhakti is the only way. Maybe not-so-Stonehearted is still awake. He teaches English, doesn't he? BTW, I have a small booklet by Satyaraja das, "You Mean That's In The Bible?" It came originally from Krsna Culture.

[theist]

 

I may be getting too picky here, but I see only Radha-Krsna as all-in-all and others as partial representatives manifesting particular aspects of Them for certain purposes under different times and circumstances.

 

 

I think this way also. The correction is most appropriate for this forum.

 

I may have just as easily said THE manifestation of Bhakti. So its good to be made aware.

 

Jesus said "I am the truth the way and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me." The truth is bhakti, the way is bhakti, the holy life is bhakti, bhakti is personal, but not limited to only one person in exclusion of others.

 

In this way I can accept that as a true teaching of Christ.

[krsna]

 

The following conversation between His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and some of his disciples took place in Bhubanesvara, India, in February 1977.

 

Devotee: Prabhupada, you have said, "Preaching God's message is a thankless task."

 

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, just look at Jesus Christ-crucified. What was his fault? He was simply teaching God consciousness. of course, he was not killed. Nobody can kill the lord's pure devotee.

 

Devotee: But ungrateful people tried to.

 

Srila Prabhupida: Yes. Such a great personality, the son of God. He wanted to deliver God consciousness. And in return, he was crucified. We don't take Jesus Christ as insignificant. We give him all honor. He is a pure representative of God. Of course, he directed his preaching according to time, place, and circumstance, the era and region and people's mentality. In any case, he is a pure representative of God.

 

Devotee: And he was able to do all his preaching in just three years, too.

 

SRILA Prabhupada: He had so little time to preach,but still, what he did in three years is so wonderful.

 

Devotee: Yes. He's been world Famous for the last two thousand years.

 

SRILA Prabhupada: Yes, it is not a joke. Unless Christ is God's representative, how can he be so enduringly famous? That we know,Christ represents God. In Melbourne, wheh a priest asked me, "What is your idea of Jesus Christ?" I told them, "He's our guru." This they very much appreciated, Christ is preaching consciousness of God. So he is our guru, our spiritual master. That's a fact. Don't take him otherwise. He's our guru. And Christ's name-originally he was called "Jesus of the Christ." Isn't it so?

 

Devotee: Yes.

 

Srila Prabhupada: Jesus of the Father. Jesus of the Christ. And that Father, that Christ, is Krsna. Christa is simply another pronunciation of Krsna. And of course, from his teachings we can understand that Jesus Christ represents God.

 

Devotee: Oh, yes. What he was teaching , what he was giving to his original disciples- he gave them examples like, "The birds are not worrying about their food. And yet God is suppilymg all their wants. So why should you worry about your food or other needs? Simply follow God's laws and teach others to do the same. God is feeding the birds. Do you think He will not feed you?"

 

Sri1a Prabhupada: Yes, he said that, didn't he? That's a fact. That is our mission: simple living and high thinking. No need for such a big bombastic economic arrangement. Depend on God's natural economic arrangements -the earth's produce and the cow's milk. And the main thing, use your priceless human life for becoming God conscious.

 

Devotee: So Christ was a pure devotee of God, teaching devotional principles.

 

Srila Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Sometimes people make propaganda that Christ may have eaten fish or even meat. But even if this were true, it would only have been because nothing else was available, not because he wanted to eat such abominable things for his own personal sense gratification. If nothing else were available , what could be done? It is not that in your America-with such bountiful grains and nuts and milk and cheese-you can keep slaughter- houses and daily kill millions of poor animals on the plea of "protein,"or "Christ may have eaten this." That is rascaldom.

 

Devotee: And because it wasn't always easy to get fresh water, people in those days used dirnk a very cheap wine thatwas hardly alcoholic at all.Really Really it was just mildly fermented grape juice. They used to drink this because there was often very little fresh water.

 

Srila Prabhupada: Not that they made the plea, "Now we shall drink bottle after bottle of strong wine and beer and liquor and intoxicate ourselves,, since Christ may have taken some grape juice." Anyone who is preaching the Lord's glories- he is a bona fide guru or spiritual master. So how can these people today take Christ so I lightly? The Vedas say, tad-vinanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet: "Only a bona-fide spiritual master can impart the Supreme Truth Now, Christ imparted the Supreme Truth to the whole world. So how could he do this unless he is bona-fide Spiitual master? Devotee: Yes. Really we a much better appreciation of Christ than some of of his nominal followers

 

Srila Prabhupada: Better".Yes Oh, yes. Devotee:. . because we know that we just can't just shrug him off as "God's sacrificial lamb" and use him as an excuse to go on sinning. Srila Prabhupada: Yes, If Christ is a bona-fide representative of God, a true spiritual master, then we must strictly follow his instructions. So my disciples in are the greatest Christains.We accept Christ as our spiritual master - we follow his instructions. Now, if the Christians want to be reformed, we can help them reform. On the basis of the Bible, we can help them reform. There is no difficulty. Most of my disciples come from the Christian group. So the Christians can reform; they can return to following God's laws. And the Bible aIso recommends chanting God's holy names-the Lords glories. This age is most degraded. So the best way to spiritual success and happinness- live your life the Lord's glories.This age is most degraded.So the best way to spirtual success and happiness--live your life in the Glories of the lords.

[ancient_paztriot]

… someone trying to preach KC and Christianity simultaneously.

[krsna]

 

Christ or Krishna -- the Name's the Same

 

(from a conversation with a Benedictine monk)

 

Christos is the Greek version of the word Krishna. When an Indian person calls on Krishna, he often says, "Krsta." Krsta is a Sanskrit word meaning "attraction." So when we address God as "Christ,Krsta," or "Krishna," we indicate the same all-attractive Supreme Personaiity of Godhead. When Jesus said, "Our Father, who art in heaven, sanctified be Thy name," that name of God was "Krsta" or "Krishna." Actually it doesn't matter -- Krishna or Christ -- the name is the same. The main point is to follow the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures that recommend chanting the name of God in this age. I have not come to teach you, but only to request you to please chant the name of God. The Bible also demands this of you. So let us kindly cooperate and chant, and if you have a prejudice against chanting the name Krishna, then chant "Christos" or "Krsta" -- there is no difference . Sri Caitanya said: namnam akari bahudha nija-sarva-saktih. "God has millions and millions of names, and because there is no difference between God's name and Himself, each one of these names has the same potency as God." Therefore, even if you accept designations like"Hindu,Christian," or "Muhammadan," if you simply chant the name of God found in your own scriptures, you will attain the spiritual platform We always have these beads, just as you have your rosary. You are chanting, but why don't the other Christians also chant? If you would like to cooperate with us, then go to the churches and chant, "Christ,Krsta," or "Krishna" What could be the objection?

 

Science of Self-Realization

[ancient_paztriot]

Yes, the are the same. They are also different. Just like you.

 

Christianity was according to time and circumstance.

 

KC is not.

 

You get your religious inspiration posting pictures of your spiritual master being tortured. Some of us here think it barbaric.

 

These processes are different. You are not ready for KC yet.

 

Christ also said "Do not kill." But you advertise his suffering and death. (You are so sincere.) I wonder if you'd do so if you didn't think he died for your sins. (That's what you're really celebrating… like Thanksgiving is to the Indians.)

[theist]

considering the date. We should also remember Christ's words to His disciples, "Pick up your cross and follow Me."

 

Also God consciousness(KC) is not a sectarian thing.

[krsna]

 

ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA!

 

These beautiful words mean so much to me right now.

 

If not for Srila Prabhupada what would be the cause of our disagreements in life? Some of us might be arguing about who will win the world series or the super bowl. Others might be more inclined to argue over stock prices etc. More pious individuals may be having debates about how to present the teachings of Lord Jesus more purely.

 

We are so very fortunate. We are able to argue and discuss here today at audarya-fellowship about the best way to engage one's body, mind and intellect in the process of devotional service to Lord Krishna. Srila Prabhupada has taken this bickering lot and made us very fortunate.

 

[Guest guest]

Which form of Krishna is Lord Jesus Christ's (peace be unto him) father?

[theist]

I have wondered that also, and also concerning Lord Buddha. He sits there with His eyes closed. His disciples imagining only the void is er.. well... present. But I wonder which Form he is seeing.

 

One telling from the Aquarian Gospel has Jesus living 4 years within Temple Jagannatha at Puri. Prabhupada often used this book in his preaching. If true that would tell us something.

 

 

[theist]

I very much like that picture of Jesus preaching with Krishna looking on that Krsna posted on page one. That is how I like to rememeber Christ.