Is A Physically Present Spiritual Master Required?

[cbrahma]

 

What they see is younger sisters and brothers in need of a little mothering. There is no question of selecting one and not another. There is absolute equality. Special attention is given to both the gifted and the diasabled.

 

They're far from home and lost in a world they can't find their way out of.

 

Since you know the way home, you ofter to point the way. It is up to each one to accept or deny the offer. No time limit. Stay here and play as long as you like. But sooner or later, the memories of home will make you homesick, and the journey begins to get back there.

 

Surrender is nothing more than trading desire of the flesh for one of the spirit. You realize you've wasted your time running in the wrong direction and now you are willing to try another direction. Under guidence.

 

Dominance is the way of an earthy person, with earthly intentions. They will gain only earthly results.

 

 

 

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Nice words. But the reality is too often corruption and exploitation. Look at the Gaudiya Math, ISCKON- any Hindu organization that structures authority on this guru principle. Wars and cheating.

No thank you.

[xexon]

Ultimately, the messengers of God are all too human and fall to the temptations that come along with this world.

 

But they get back up, dust themselves off, and try again. Something was learned. Nothing was wasted.

 

You have to use your own power of discrimination to wade thru this part of maya, because even gurus are a part of it. Choose the best you can and leave the rest be. Learn from mistakes and keep pushing forward.

 

 

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[cbrahma]

 

Ultimately, the messengers of God are all too human and fall to the temptations that come along with this world.

 

But they get back up, dust themselves off, and try again. Something was learned. Nothing was wasted.

 

You have to use your own power of discrimination to wade thru this part of maya, because even gurus are a part of it. Choose the best you can and leave the rest be. Learn from mistakes and keep pushing forward.

 

 

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Why?

[xexon]

Gurus are human. Plain and simple.

 

Despite what they eventually become, they all start out just like you. A rough diamond. Until the last facet has been applied to make the diamond perfect, imperfection will exist in them.

 

It is those trace imperfections that give them the ability to be as human as you are, and speak to you from that point of view.

 

Thats hard thing to do if you're a deity with blue glowing skin. People will pay more attention to your form than your message.

 

Here in this world, God must dress as a human.

 

 

 

x

[cbrahma]

 

Gurus are human. Plain and simple.

 

Despite what they eventually become, they all start out just like you. A rough diamond. Until the last facet has been applied to make the diamond perfect, imperfection will exist in them.

 

It is those trace imperfections that give them the ability to be as human as you are, and speak to you from that point of view.

 

Thats hard thing to do if you're a deity with blue glowing skin. People will pay more attention to your form than your message.

 

Here in this world, God must dress as a human.

 

 

 

x

So our spiritual life depends on chance and is very precarious, complicated and uncertain. Human guru supposed to reflect divine. Strange system.

[Ashvatama]

 

guru can take you by the hand to KRSNA:pray:

 

A bonafide Guru is no ordinary Human being, if you are sincere, he will find you. Most of us never went to India to find Prabhupada, he came to us in our Western Cities in the 1960s and found us.

 

YOU HAVE TO BE 100% GENUIN to attract or find a bonafide Guru who is a representive of Krsna and NOT an ordinary human being - it all depends on you

[cbrahma]

 

A bonafide Guru is no ordinary Human being, if you are sincere, he will find you. Most of us never went to India to find Prabhupada, he came to us in our Wesren Cities in the 1960s and found us.

 

YOU HAVE TO BE 100% GENUIN to attract or find a bonafide Guru who is a representive of Krsna and NOT an ordinary human being - it all depends on you

That is called blame the victim. - convenient and clever

[Ashvatama]

 

That is called blame the victim. - convenient and clever

 

It all depends on you. Krsna is so kind he will give you anything you want, if you want to Go back home, back to Godhead, back to Krsna, he will send you His dear disciple to guide you back however, it's up to you to want to serve Krsna and recognize his devotees. It simple starts by a book like Back to Godhead or is stairing you right in your face right know with Audarya Fellowship Also go to Dandavats.com

 

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[Ashvatama]

 

Since one has no idea what a superhuman guru is, then if one doesn't meet one it's YOUR FAULT.

 

Long long ago we all chose to come to this material world, we cannot blame Krishna. Yesterday two children 7 and 9 where killed in a car accident in Melbourne Australia, it was not there fault? But how do we understand such horror?

 

From the Bhagavad gita as it is, we can understand that this life is only one of possibly millions of lives.

 

Each life we perform pious and impious acts and reap the reward or punishment. So from a higher level of understanding, as horrible as it maybe, those children died because of their own previous actions, their own karma - IT IS OUR FAULT THAT WE SUFFER IN THE MATERIAL WORLD.

 

It's up to you to want to serve Krsna and recognize his devotees. It simple starts by a book like Back to Godhead or is stairing you right in your face right know with Audarya Fellowship Also go to Dandavats.com

 

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[cbrahma]

 

It all depends on you. Krsna is so kind he will give you anything you want, if you want to Go back home, back to Godhead, back to Krsna, he will send you His dear disciple to guide you back however, it's up to you to want to serve Krsna and recognize his devotees. It simple starts by a book like Back to Godhead or is stairing you right in your face right know with Audarya Fellowship Also go to Dandavats.com

 

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I could be on this forum for any number of reasons.

How many people have become devotees by simply reading and been cheated badly? Don't forget the vast majority of Prabhupada disciples left the sadhana , not because it was their FAULT, but because of rank corruption.

[Beggar]

 

I could be on this forum for any number of reasons.

How many people have become devotees by simply reading and been cheated badly? Don't forget the vast majority of Prabhupada disciples left the sadhana , not because it was their FAULT, but because of rank corruption.

It takes two to tango; Didn't you ever hear about the society of the cheaters and the cheated? To think that any foolish person in the position of a manager can actually be the effective cause of someone giving up Krsna Conciousness is the viewpoint of someone wallowing in "victim consciousness". Be quiet and hush, otherwise you'll be taking a timeout by standing in the corner.

[cbrahma]

 

It takes two to tango; Didn't you ever hear about the society of the cheaters and the cheated? To think that any foolish person in the position of a manager can actually be the effective cause of someone giving up Krsna Conciousness is the viewpoint of someone wallowing in "victim consciousness". Be quiet and hush, otherwise you'll be taking a timeout by standing in the corner.

I am not in victim consciousness because I don't buy the all purpose 'blame-the-victim' rationalization.

[Beggar]

 

I am not in victim consciousness because I don't buy the all purpose 'blame-the-victim' rationalization.

 

Srila Sridhar Maharaj:

 

We must be prepared for anything: anything from the environment may come to us, but we are to face it with optimism. That is the key to success in our life. The highest advice is given in Srimad Bhagavatam:

 

tat te ‘nukampam susumiksamano

bhunjana evatma-krtam vipakam

hrd-vag-vapurbhir vidhanam namas te

jiveta yo mukti-pade sa daya bhak

 

(Srimad Bhagavatam 10:14:8)

 

“One who, in the hope of achieving Your grace, tolerates all kinds of adverse conditions due to the karma of his past deeds, and passes his days practising devotion to You with his mind, words and body, is truly eligible for becoming your unalloyed devotee.”

We have no ability to interfere with the environment; to do so will only be a useless waste of energy. Rather, we must try to correct ourselves, so that we can adjust with the circumstances we find surrounding us. We have been advised that the best estimation we can make about the environment, of what is coming to me from the environment, is to see it, to understand it, as a grant. A grant means something which is given. But from where is this grant coming? It is coming from my Lord; and He is my Guardian. He is Supreme, He is Autocrat. So, what is coming from Him is His grace. We are living by His grace, always, and not as a matter of ‘right’. That we are living at all, that we are alive, we exist- this is not our birthright! If we exist at all, or not- it does not matter to the Infinite Whole. So, tat te nukampam susumiksamano: whatever is coming, it is His grace, it is not earned by my right, my ability, or my qualification. All and everything that is coming, and every part of it, is a grace coming to me.Our well-guided estimation about the environment will be such.

And we must be satisfied with whatever grant we get. It is not a matter of right; we are not to see with the eye of any right, whether we are getting our own ‘quota’ or not. “Am I getting my own portion, my own share?”- this should never be our attitude. At the same time, we must try to see that whatever trouble we find, is self-acquired: “Due to my own defective position, I am in such a condition. I am so low, so mean.” And our vanity will have to disappear forever, when we realise fully our dependence on His grace: “I have got no position; I am fully dependent on His grace. My whole existence, whole prospect, everything- it is only on account of His grace.”

Mahaprabhu said, krsnera nitya-dasa: consider yourself, know yourself, to be the slave of the Supreme Lord. A slave has got no rights; he is property, the property of another. Like animals who are someone’s property- like cows, or cats, or dogs- our position is such. The slave has no rights; but at the same time, by his master’s grace, he can enter the highest place, highest position. Such is the prospect of the slave of the Supreme Lord, of Krsna.

[xexon]

 

So our spiritual life depends on chance and is very precarious, complicated and uncertain. Human guru supposed to reflect divine. Strange system.

 

It depends on being awake. Nothing more.

 

How much can you see? How far can you see? Do you see with the eyes or the heart?

 

All of these contribute to your ability to make decisions. The more you know, the more refined the decision. People who cannot see very well are easy to pick out in any country. Their lives are on auto-pilot. They move according to the herd and don't ask much in the way of questions.

 

Then there are those who DO ask questions. The entry level of this is first manifested in the world in the ways of science and engineering. What makes things work? What can I create? Most of the great deeds of mankind are recorded in this sphere of action.

 

The next level up is spiritual. What is God? What is love? Who am I ?

What am I missing that I can't complete this circuit? Here religions are born. Philosophy. The ability to reflect is brought to a tighter focus.

 

The soul is getting ready to make a leap into a world in knows to exist, but can't remember seeing. One of the first things that occurs to the individual with this new found awareness, is the need of a guide. Its a pretty strange land, and you're more than a little intimidated by what you see.

 

The first guide for most people is the faith they are born into. It becomes a womb in which you grow as a child, at least until you start to ask questions. It you never ask questions, you become one of the faithful, and follow the path you grew up with.

 

If you do ask questions, there are many who will use this opening to offer their services. It is up to you to choose the guru. At least on the surface. If you strike a cord with a guru, they may linger in the shadows for years as they watch you mature. You might have to endure a few false ones before you get there.

 

You're never alone on a spiritual path. Just be mindful that that it's all maya. It moves as you move.

 

 

 

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[cbrahma]

 

It depends on being awake. Nothing more.

 

How much can you see? How far can you see? Do you see with the eyes or the heart?

 

All of these contribute to your ability to make decisions. The more you know, the more refined the decision. People who cannot see very well are easy to pick out in any country. Their lives are on auto-pilot. They move according to the herd and don't ask much in the way of questions.

 

Then there are those who DO ask questions. The entry level of this is first manifested in the world in the ways of science and engineering. What makes things work? What can I create? Most of the great deeds of mankind are recorded in this sphere of action.

 

The next level up is spiritual. What is God? What is love? Who am I ?

What am I missing that I can't complete this circuit? Here religions are born. Philosophy. The ability to reflect is brought to a tighter focus.

 

The soul is getting ready to make a leap into a world in knows to exist, but can't remember seeing. One of the first things that occurs to the individual with this new found awareness, is the need of a guide. Its a pretty strange land, and you're more than a little intimidated by what you see.

 

The first guide for most people is the faith they are born into. It becomes a womb in which you grow as a child, at least until you start to ask questions. It you never ask questions, you become one of the faithful, and follow the path you grew up with.

 

If you do ask questions, there are many who will use this opening to offer their services. It is up to you to choose the guru. At least on the surface. If you strike a cord with a guru, they may linger in the shadows for years as they watch you mature. You might have to endure a few false ones before you get there.

 

You're never alone on a spiritual path. Just be mindful that that it's all maya. It moves as you move.

 

 

 

x

If we have to see and know and hit on the right questions (which imply the answers) then we become our own gurus.

The whole system is rigged and self-justifying. Ironically because we are accountable for the guru then the guru is freed from accountability. That is, the person with the responsibility, authority and divine knowledge gets off scott free.

[Beggar]

Srila Sridhar Maharaj:

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur said that the Gaudiya Math stands for the dignity of mankind. We are to understand that slavery to Krsna is the most dignified position

And everything against that ideal is meaness. To understand one’s proper position and to understand one’s proper duty and discharge it – that is gentleman’s life; to accept what is truth. What is considered to be meanness will be removed very soon. And what is really for our welfare and beneficial to us, that will increase.

You are at present in an adulterated conception of your own life. The mind, intelligence and exploiting energies of different kinds are all adulteration. So from your existence will be eliminated all kinds of adulteration. It will be purified and your real self within will come out in its pristine glory, and you will find you have a happy devotional connection with the Supersoul, the Superknowledge. You will come across knowledge proper – a clear, personal type of knowledge – with its paraphernalia and systematic existence.

[cbrahma]

 

To understand one’s proper position and to understand one’s proper duty and discharge it

One can hardly argue with that.

That's like saying the perfect thing to do is to act perfectly.

Also what the Gaudiya Math stood for (past tense, since it essentially no longer exists) is not necessarily what it was or turned out to be with all the in-fighting.

[xexon]

 

If we have to see and know and hit on the right questions (which imply the answers) then we become our own gurus.

The whole system is rigged and self-justifying. Ironically because we are accountable for the guru then the guru is freed from accountability. That is, the person with the responsibility, authority and divine knowledge gets off scott free.

 

Pay no attention to the world in front of your eyes.

 

The guru puts nothing into your spiritual journey. The guru is your birthing partner. The guru helps bring out what is already inside.

 

Silly Wabbit.

 

 

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[Beggar]

 

One can hardly argue with that.

That's like saying the perfect thing to do is to act perfectly.

Also what the Gaudiya Math stood for (past tense, since it essentially no longer exists) is not necessarily what it was or turned out to be with all the in-fighting.

Sri Guru and His Grace

God Consciousness vs. Society Consciousness Responding to the necessity of the times Srila Sridhara Maharaja lucidly explains the absolute societal conception of Krsna consciousness:

Devotee: Within a religious mission, sectarian policies may appear to bar the path of progress and pragmatic concerns take precedence over spiritual ideals. Should one risk leaving the formal institution or should he try to remain within and work out the problems?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Progress means elimination and new acceptance. So, when there is a clash between the relative and the absolute standpoint, the relative must be left aside, and the absolute accepted. The example is given of a socialist in a country of capitalists. When there is a clash, one will not express their creed for the sake of peace. But to maintain the purity of their faith for the socialists they will try to leave and join the socialists.

Higher Ideal

So, the absolute and the relative are two different classes of interest. And we find more importance in the absolute interest. We must be sincere to our own creed. The form is necessary to help me in a general way to maintain my present position. At the same time, my conception of the higher ideal will always goad me to advance, to go forward, and wherever I do, I must follow the greater model, the greater ideal. Spiritual life is progressive, not stagnant. We are in the stage of sadhana, and we want to go ahead, not backwards. The formal position will help me to maintain my present status, and my extraordinary affinity for the ideal will goad me towards the front. The search for Sri Krsna is dynamic and living, so adjustment and readjustment is always going on. And we should also change our present position accordingly, so that we may not have to sacrifice the high ideal for which we have come. Einstein had to leave Germany and go to America for his high ideal of life. And so many similar instances may be found in the world. The ideal is all in all. The highest ideal in a man is his highest jewel. Our most precious gem is our ideal.

Many things are recommended in the scriptures, but they are meant to promote us towards the truth in an indirect way (sva-dharme nidhanam sreya ). [bg 3.35] It is recommended at a certain stage that for the sake of our close friends, we should give up our ideal. But in the Bhagavad-gita, Krsna's final instruction is sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja: "If it is necessary to maintain the highest ideal, you must give up your friends. Surrender to me. I am the real purport of the scriptures." The highest kind of idealists give up their country, their family, their friends, and everything else, but they can't give up their ideal.

In the Bhagavad-gita, [3.35] Krsna says, "It is better to die while performing one's duty that to try to do another's duty." That is one stage of understanding: the relative consideration. The absolute consideration is also given in the Bhagavad-gita: sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [bg. 18.66]. Krsna says, "Give up everything. Come to Me directly." This is the revolutionary way. This is absolute. And this is relative: "Stick to your own clan. Don't leave them." That is the national conception. There is nation consciousness and God consciousness; society consciousness and God consciousness. God consciousness is absolute. If society consciousness hinders the development of God consciousness, it should be left behind. This is confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam (5.5.18):

<center> gurur na sa syat sva jano na sa syat

pita na sa syaj janani na sa syat

daivam na tat syan na patis ca sa syan

na mocayed yah samupeta mrtyum </center>

 

Even a spiritual master, relative, parent, husband, or demigod who cannot save us from repeated birth and death should be abandoned at once."

 

What to speak of ordinary things, even the guru, may have to be abandoned. One may even have to give up one's own spiritual guide, as in the case of Bali Maharaja, or one's relatives, as in the case of Vibhisana. In the case of Prahlada, his father had to be given up, and in the case of Bharata Maharaja, it was his mother. In the case of Khatvanga Maharaja, he left the demigods, and in the case of the yajna patnis, (the wives of the brahmanas ) they left their husbands in the endeavor to reach the Absolute Personality.

We need society only to help us. If our affinity to the society keeps us down, then that should be given up, and we must march on. There is the absolute consideration and the relative consideration. When they come into clash, the relative must be given up, and the absolute should be accepted. If my inner voice, my spiritual conscience decides that this sort of company cannot really help me, then I will be under painful necessity to give them up, and to run towards my destination, wherever my spiritual conscience guides me. Any other course will be hypocrisy, and it will check my real progress. If we are sincere in our attempt, then no one in the world can check us or deceive us; we can only deceive ourselves (na hi kalyana-krt kascid durgatim tata gacchati ) [bg. 6.40]. We must be true to our own selves, and true to the Supreme Lord. We must be sincere.

Disappearance of the Guru

Devotee: After the disappearance of the spiritual master, how should the disciples continue the mission?

Srila Sridhara Maharaja: You must not neglect your conscience. Otherwise you have no faith in your own cause. There may be disturbances but we should not leave the preaching of Mahaprabhu, despite all differences. Disturbances must come, and we must undergo them. Still, we must remain sincere; we must face the difficulty in a proper way. It has come to train us to go in the right direction.

The Fire has Come to Test Us

What we have received from our spiritual master we understood only in a rough estimation. Now, things have come in such a way that we have to scrutinize ourselves in every position. We have to analyze ourselves. Atma-niksepa, self-analysis has begun. We are under trial. What we have received from our spiritual master, in what way have we received it? Properly, or only showingly? The time has come to purify us, to test whether we are real students, real disciples, or his disciples only in face and confession. What is the position of a real disciple? If we live in a society, what is the depth of our creed? In what attitude have we accepted his teachings? How deep-rooted is it within us? The fire has come to test whether we can stand. Is our acceptance real? Or is it a sham, an imitation? This fire will prove that.

So, this is the real field of sadhana, or practice. Our practice, our advancement needs these difficulties. Otherwise, we may not know what is progress, and we will become hypocrites, and give the adulterated thing to others. So, to purify ourselves, it is necessary that so many disturbances come.

And God has no error. He commands the environment. It is not our responsibility. The responsibility of the environment does not rest upon us. If I am sincere, then I have to adjust myself with this environment and put my faith before Him. "Everyone may leave me, but I shall stand alone!" With this attitude we must march on, whatever the circumstances may be. Then the recognition may come in my favor, that "Yes, under such trying circumstances he is still there." Our superiors will be pleased with us.

The relative and absolute considerations are always coming in clash. The absolute should be accepted and the relative sacrificed. Still the relative is necessary. After graduation from primary school another teacher is accepted for higher education, but that does not mean that the primary teacher is neglected or insulted. For our own interest, whatever we find which is akin to what was given to us by our guru maharaja, whatever we find that will enlighten us further, and whatever will help us to understand more clearly what we heard from our guru maharaja, must be accepted. Is my realization a living thing, or is it dead? Anyone who has come in connection with the infinite cannot but say this: "I am nothing." That should be the salient point.

We have left all social concerns and so many other shackles. For what? For the Absolute Truth. And wherever I shall find that, I must bow down my head. And if a great soul shows us, "This is the path to where you will find your thirst quenched. The line is in this zigzag way," we must accept that for our own interest. We are worshipers not of this form, but of substance. Wherever I feel the presence of my Lord in an intense form, I must be attracted to that side. Krsna says, sarva dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja. Wherever we shall find Him, we must run in that direction. My interest is with Him. Not that we can challenge, "Why did Krsna appear here, and why is He appearing there?" If a man in a boat is passing through the current and finds himself in danger, then from whatever side help may come, he must run to that side.

If we are worshipers of Siva, when we understand the special superiority of Narayana, should we stick to Siva? And then Krsna? In the Brhad-bhagavatamrta the story is told of how Gopa-kumara, by chanting his Gopala mantra, gradually leaves one stage and progresses to the next. There, the gradation of devotion is traced from the karma-kanda brahmana, to a devotee king, then to Indra, then to Brahma, then to Siva, from him to Prahlada, then to Hanuman, then the Pandavas, then to the Yadavas, to Uddhava, and finally the gopis. In this zigzag way he is passing. In the sincerity of his quest, his thirst is not being quenched until he goes to Vrndavana. So, the Brhad-bhagavatamrta has shown us the line of guru parampara, or the real line of our quest, of our search.

Sincere Hankering for the Truth is Our Guide

If we are sincerely searching after real truth, then wherever we go may be a contribution to our experience for further preaching in the future. We may cross many guru paramparas before ultimately attaining the Vraja-lila of Krsna, as given by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

Sometimes the father may not be our guardian. Our uncle may be our guide, and not the father. It is possible. The line of interest is to be considered the most important. So, our line is the siksa guru parampara.

I am thankful to those that are helping my spiritual understanding not only in a formal way, but in the real sense. Whoever is untying the knots of our entanglement in this material world, giving us light, and quenching our thirst for inner understanding and satisfaction is our guru. In this way, we live on the contribution of all these spiritual masters. They are all our siksa gurus. All the Vaisnavas are more or less our instructing spiritual masters.

And our own sincere hankering for the truth will be our guide. That is guru parampara. So the real disciplic line provides practical knowledge in support of the divine love which is coming down. We must bow our heads wherever we find support of that. We should not become formalists, but substantialists; not fashionists, not imitationists, but realistic thinkers. That should always be our temperament.

And what sort of saintly persons shall we try to mix with earnestly? In the Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu (1.2.91) Rupa Goswami has said, sajati-yasye snigdhe sadhau sangah svato vare: Those who are in our line, who have the same high spiritual aspirations as we do, and who hold a superior position. To associate with such saintly persons will help us the most to progress towards the ultimate goal.

There may be some obstacles, but if at heart we are sincere, the environment cannot deceive us, because God's inner help is there, cooperating with our sincere, inner need (na hi kalyana krt kascit durgatim tata gacchati) [bg. 6.40]. What we want from our innermost hearts cannot but come true, because Krsna knows everything. There may be some obstacles, but by Krsna's help, they shall all be eliminated and our innermost aspiration will be crowned with success.

The formal societal position helps one to maintain their present status while our affinity for the high ideal will always push us to advance in Krsna consciousness. In the Srimad-Bhagavatam 5.5.18 it is stated that whatever hinders our advancement must be left behind, even society consciousness. The society is there to help us, not hinder us. Our process is Krsna consciousness not society consciousness.

[cbrahma]

 

Pay no attention to the world in front of your eyes.

 

The guru puts nothing into your spiritual journey. The guru is your birthing partner. The guru helps bring out what is already inside.

 

Silly Wabbit.

 

 

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Nobody I've known has experienced their guru in that way. The guru-worship, the idolatry and absolute power that invites corruption could hardly be called a 'partner'.

[krsna]

 

A bonafide Guru is no ordinary Human being, if you are sincere, he will find you. Most of us never went to India to find Prabhupada, he came to us in our Western Cities in the 1960s and found us.

 

YOU HAVE TO BE 100% GENUIN to attract or find a bonafide Guru who is a representive of Krsna and NOT an ordinary human being - it all depends on you

:pray: :pray:

[cbrahma]

 

:pray: :pray:

Well then, I'm not sincere. Neither are so many others whose gurus have fallen down and been outrageously corrupt.

[CCC]

 

¿El viejo y nuevo messiah con su scripture nuevo?

 

Hare Krsna,

 

no sé si estarás hablando de manera sarcástica, pero de la nueva escritura que hablo se conoce bastante en Peru, es donde más se ha expandido, también conozco personalmente con gente que vivió con Él, de hecho, una de estas personas tiene como 70 años y vive cerca de mi casa por lo que hemos hablado mucho sobre este tema. Escribió más de 4000 rollos, fue un obrero toda su vida y en las noches escribía lo que le dictaba Dios. Quizás no me creas, pero ese es tu libre albedrío, pasa siempre que aquí en occidente la gente es bien incrédula, en mi caso creí desde un principio pero también tenía mis dudas sobre su veracidad hasta que en un momento realicé que lo que está escrito era verdad y fue en ese momento que Krsna me reveló internamente que es una escritura genuina.

 

Pronto la gente conocerá esta revelación y todo lo que está escrito se ha cumplido o se está cumpliendo. Hasta el origen del Alma se describe con detalles, con detalles que ni en los Vedas está tan explícito. Ahora lo que pasa con el Dolar, un amigo que estudia bastante esta escritura dice que en la revelación se dice que el dolar bajará su valor hasta en un 70% y que la economía de USA se desplomará hasta que sus habitantes queden en la pobreza extrema, toda la maldad que ha hecho USA recaerá sobre ellos, dice el Padre en la escritura que USA ha sido bendecido con mucho poder material (recursos, riquezas, territorio, etc), pero todas esas bendiciones serán quitadas por explotar al mundo, por no satisfacerse con lo que ya tenía. Muchas catastrofes de muchos tipos le viene a USA y otros países. También dice la revelación que Europa y USA se desplomarán y las más grandes potencias serán China e India, y 108 países del tercer mundo se alinearán con ellos. También dice que el Señor Jesucristo tendrá su residencia en la India, será un palacio de Gemas y su rostro brillará como un Sol y cuando esto ocurra, todo occidente irá a verlo y ahí con su poder, todo cuerpo será transformado en cuerpos eternos. También dice la revelación que el Señor Jesucristo no pisará el occidente, solo lo visitará para juzgarlo. Y así muchas cosas más.

 

Hari Bol

[krsna]

!Viva el Guru!

[cbrahma]

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