krsna Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 How can I forgive and forget? God,how I wish I could simply forget my tormented bloody past. /images/graemlins/mad.gif Especially ,if I can forgive and forget all those people who bullied ,abused and exploited me.If I don't ,then in a subtle way they continue to do so at every momoment of every day in my subtle mind. /images/graemlins/confused.gif As a consequence, I am forced to relive these torments again and again in my subtle mind. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif O the guilt,the shame and the hopeless denial that everything is alright when ,in fact ,it isn't! /images/graemlins/blush.gif Do you see what kind of hell I have created for myself by not forgetting the past and not forgiving those who have trespassed against me? /images/graemlins/mad.gif So ,what is best way out of this self-tormented hell? /images/graemlins/confused.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Valuable lessons. Couple ways to look at this that I can see. One is this process of playing the exploited and also the exploiter has been going on since time immemoriable. I suspect I have been,just in human form, a cannibal and cannibalized, raped and a rapist, murdered and a murderer,etc. as well as an altruist and a receipient of charity, a priest and a congregation member and on and on. Where is it all now? I remember none of it. I think the reactions to it all just get buried in time and also carried along in our subtle bodies in the three phases of karma, pushing us into more and more entanglement. This is what the chanting will pull us out of. We stop exploiting to the best of our abitity and replace that tendancy with karma/bhakti yoga and learn to offer the results to Krsna. The fan winds down. We learn to trust Him and surrender. Then at some point along this path we awaken to find its all been a wild dream. We, the souls proper, were never subject to exploitation and nor were we able to exploit the soul proper of others. We just falsely identified with it similar to Ravanna thinking he had Sita to exploit. This massive joke has been on us all along. And it will remain on us until we rise beyond the desire to exploit Krsna's other children, our brother and sister souls. And when we do rise up this dream will seem less than a lightning flash caught in the corner of our eye. The future is very very bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Haribol, very well done, theist, yo bro, mahaksadasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 I can say that while these old habits seem dead, now and then we still feel very remorseful about our past neglect of Krsna and the anxiety we have caused other jiva souls. Certainly dwelling on our past flaws is not good, but perhaps in order to change we must become completely repentant, getting beyond shallow words and killing that false ego to death. If I am not fully cured of the faults to the depth of my being, then surely there will some karmic reaction at some point to effect the correction. Of course, revisiting our old dirtbag personas is also an impetus to thank Sri Krsna for saving us. Just thinking about what we might be now without Him throws us into His arms. We are very fortunate souls. We should never forget that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avinash Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 The problem is that we give to much importance to what others say about us. We may say that we do not care, but the fact is we do. If somebody says that we are not good at something, then even if we are good at that, we start thinking that we are not. We even let others decide what we should do with our lives. By giving undue importance to what others say, we ruin our own lives. I have learnt it from my own experience. But the day I decided that I am responsible for my own actions and decisions, my life took a much better course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted December 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Yes To take all this on board is the start of maturity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 BG 13.32: Those with the vision of eternity can see that the imperishable soul is transcendental, eternal, and beyond the modes of nature. Despite contact with the material body, O Arjuna, the soul neither does anything nor is entangled. BG 13.33: The sky, due to its subtle nature, does not mix with anything, although it is all-pervading. Similarly, the soul situated in Brahman vision does not mix with the body, though situated in that body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted December 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Srila Prabhupada is my guilty conscience. I do not want to acknowledge my wrongs. He coerces me to change my ways.Yes?: <font color="red"> "When one is elevated to the platform of devotional service by the grace of the Lord and the spiritual master, one first regrets his past sinful activities. This helps one advance in spiritual life. The Visnudutas had given Ajamila the chance to become a pure devotee, and the duty of a pure devotee is to regret his past sinful activities in illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling. Not only should one give up his past bad habits, but he must always regret his past sinful acts. This is the standard of pure devotion." </font color> Quote from SB 6.2.27 /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif /images/graemlins/blush.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 BG 13.32: Those with the vision of eternity can see that the imperishable soul is transcendental, eternal, and beyond the modes of nature. Despite contact with the material body, O Arjuna, the soul neither does anything nor is entangled. ********************************** Vision beyond and above That which transcends time and space I keep in touch with Brahman and Parabrahman thus: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare Well to be above the modes would be miraculous indeed - samadhi,mind fixed on Krsna. I am not the doer What can I as a tiny jiva soul actually do ??? I can dovetail my desire with the desire of Krsna (Or Krsna's rep:Sri Guru) I desire to make my desire One with the desire of Sri Guru Mind, words and body used up completely in His divine service. If 'I' am able to do this by Krsna's grace then I'll be hearing Bhagavad Gita at every step, tasting the beauty of Krsna Consciousness in the eternal here and now. ********************************* BG 13.33: The sky, due to its subtle nature, does not mix with anything, although it is all-pervading. Similarly, the soul situated in Brahman vision does not mix with the body, though situated in that body. ******************************** Sky Consciousness Subtle Deep & Transcendent Everwhere present yet not mixing with anything As the soul situated in soul vision drives this body as driver and not propriotor In the body but not of it. Walk Krsna's Talk Think Krsna's Words Eat Krsna's Remanants Speak Krsna's Philosophy Breathe Krsna's Ether Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 "When one is elevated to the platform of devotional service by the grace of the Lord and the spiritual master, one first regrets his past sinful activities. This helps one advance in spiritual life. The Visnudutas had given Ajamila the chance to become a pure devotee, and the duty of a pure devotee is to regret his past sinful activities in illicit sex, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling. Not only should one give up his past bad habits, but he must always regret his past sinful acts. This is the standard of pure devotion." This is what the Christians mean by repentance. To really break down and feel and confess our shame before the Lord. Repentance means to go the other way, to change our life's direction, our very motives. I have come to see that I have not crossed this threshold yet. I try to substitute using the vedabase to offer quotes and appear knowledgeable but until I feel truly repentant of my turning away from Krsna since time immemorial and trying to exploit others in so many ways then I feel my spiritual life has not really begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Main Entry: 1re·pent Pronunciation: ri-'pent Function: verb Etymology: Middle English, from Old French repentir, from re- + pentir to be sorry, from Latin paenitEre -- more at PENITENT intransitive senses 1 : to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life 2 a : to feel regret or contrition b : to change one's mind transitive senses 1 : to cause to feel regret or contrition 2 : to feel sorrow, regret, or contrition for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted January 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 My pain and suffering Lord, I am suffering in this way. O Lord, You alone know everything about me. Still for the purpose of purification You wish to elicit this story from my heart and not only fom my lips. This is my story, But if I fully and unconditionally surrender to You... it will become 'Your' story, i.e.,I will become your property. 'My karma' will cease to exist. The entangling web of illusion destroyed, a spirit soul who can then freely serve your divine lotus feet and be forever free from the fetters of the'my story concept'. When will that day be mine? krsna das ********************************* Sri Krsna Caitanya Prabhu Jive Doya Kori Introductory song to the Saranagati by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura Out of compassion for the fallen souls, Sri Krisna Caitanya came to this world with His personal associates and divine abode to teach saranagati, surrender to the almighty Godhead, and to freely distribute ecstatic love of God, which is ordinarily very difficult to obtain. This saranagati is the very life of the true devotee. The ways of saranagati are humility, dedication of the self, acceptance of the Lord as one’s only maintainer, faith that Krishna will surely protect, execution of only those acts favorable to pure devotion, and renunciation of conduct adverse to pure devotion. The youthful son of Nanda Maharaja, Sri Krishna, hears the prayers of anyone who takes refuge in Him by this six-fold practice. Bhaktivinoda places a straw between his teeth, prostrates himself before the two Goswamis, Sri Rupa and Sri Sanatana, and clasps their lotus feet with his hands. “I am certainly the lowest of men.” he tells them weeping, “but please make me the best of men by teaching me the ways of saranagati” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted May 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2006 I am really repentant and truely forgiven? Will Krsna in the heart confirm that I have indeed attained the state of clearance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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