You insignificant, empty place

[kailasa]

You great, if you gopi for example. You thus the spiritual competitor both your beautiful clothes and all other kind speak all rests about it. Though certainly, all of you still a toy which can be left at any moment. By the way, it is not known how many on it will agree, practising so strong, magnificent it is possible to tell, attachments to the God.

 

You great that also become it is even more, if you queen Dvaraka and thus Krishna your lawful spouse already. And already and many sing many to you glories and it is possible to feel all sweet to be whom that.

 

You insignificant and you do not supervise Krishna in a role of his parents. You do not bind His rope, adding two missing fingers of a rope what to bind Him is I do not remember, two fingers - fidelities and detachment probably? And can knowledge and detachment? I do not remember that that like it.

 

You are not at war together with the God and do not put carelessly the hand to Him on a shoulder. And you do not fall on a bottom of causal ocean to look at the lord of the universe.

 

You not His perfect servant which in the perfection exhales light everywhere the cleanliness. Which together with comely light exhales also the perfect mantras, tantras and yantras. And which supplements all this and without that dazzling light joti also with light of many and many thousand accessory which so are important in worship the God!

 

You insignificant and consequently if from you to try that that to take away it is impossible to take away anything because there is nothing to take away. Is possible to try that that to add to you, but besides anything and to not add to the one who is insignificant.

 

You insignificant, empty place, therefore Krishna at all does not kiss you, because you would not suitable for that that kissed you. You as do not untwist donkeys with force Lord Balarama and do not scatter them on tops of trees. Well can normal devotees behave so? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

You as do not play any expressed role by virtue of the insignificance. Therefore you are completely free from any obligations. And this phenomenon arises from natural nature.

 

You insignificant, therefore if you will leave a society devotees anybody will not notice it. And consequently it is possible will go to walk, collecting florets and to come in camp of Krishna. And to tell to Him about all last plans of persons interesting Him. And He will be very pleased with you.

 

Listening to hot discussion of these news among friends Krishna, you again leave. Because up to you besides anybody does not have any affair. But certainly, as Krishna is the Supreme Person, therefore He is lit up with a smile happy and understanding you. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

You insignificant but sometimes to you for one instant, would be desirable to become whom that. Therefore having returned to opposite camp, now you tell there about all plans which have just heard in the other place. Hmm.

 

That will be then in consequence such activity, basically it at all does not disturb you. It does not disturb you and cannot disturb because you feel increasing pleasure and the patronage for such affairs. As you disturbs nothing, because idleness and irresponsibility, she is yours natural the nature. Such nature as has the full right for a life and is especial in an spiritual world! Yes.

 

You are disturbed nothing because you by insignificant. And you simply anticipate the future events, with a clever kind noding concerning other very clever conversations. But besides, very short-sightedly, anybody does not see it. Because anybody serious does not concern to you and does not look at all in your side.

 

You feel pleasure and absolute rest because nobody knows and cannot know that you were there in camp of Krishna.

 

You feel pleasure and absolute rest as and consequently, that nobody knows and cannot know more, than you know. At least in this situation. You feel pleasure filling you and absolute rest as and consequently, that you never are the contender anywhere and to anybody. Simply by the nature of your insignificance. You feel pleasure and an absolute pacification because all sides - both those and others, are grateful to you for such good devoted service. Carrying the spiritual blessing all in devoted service, you cannot as to become and object of criticism. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Well who can be better than the one who carefully warns others of the future events?

 

You as feel happiness of the perfect knowledge of rasa in devoted service. Because to anybody not come in a head that chaos which has arisen after your activity, can please Krishna.

 

Then half an hour you got under feet at all gopas and gopis and add in this arisen chaos yours shout. Then you catch for what that mataji. You look at Her yours wet, but fair and sincere eyes. Starting up it is a little salivas just in case, now the moment to let know as far as you are devoted to Her! /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Yes, you! calm Her your harmless kind and your tears remind Her of eternal values of a life and transitoriness of wordly love. Harmless and little bit offended kind you remind Her of lasting values life and certainly about true and gentle love to children! All yours kind you let know to Her, that you always on Her party! Yes, it so, to us is simple it to not understand.

 

She even take you on hands and calming you, calm itself including. But already in one instant, She transfer you to another person! I waited for it in reply to my devoted service?

 

And all this occurs because you do not play these relations of absolutely any role! Who you there - the child... invalid or brahman what, to anybody is not present any affair who you and how many and that you want. Nobody interested with your position because all are occupied with another and in the center of you there will be never.

 

And as anybody up to you does not have any affair and what even sacred - motherhood, has not worked, therefore the person very clearly understands what to shout and cry is useless further. Eventually having thought philosophically, you understand what to lay on whose that secondary hands it more favourably, than to stand on the ground itself. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

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And if so there was, that you on the nature empty place, be not surprised, if you see in the own garden - Radha and Krishna. Because they like to be there where anybody is not present.

[Guest guest]

Nice Kailasa...yes, insignificant is best. Confidential service is performed in secret...all very personal and intimate.

[Guest guest]

Thancs Prabhu. Thancs I am understand then me english is readable. All spiritual lila so buitifull!!! Hare Krisna.

[Guest guest]

Person may has another form, then - no reaction.

[Guest guest]

"All spiritual lila so buitifull!!! Hare Krisna."

 

Really, how can our feeble attempts to understand and explain do justice to such absolute priceless beauty? Devotional service is NEVER under our control...She has come alive in all of us somehow or other by the mercy of the vaishnavas, in the person of His Divine Grace.

 

Why argue or even question what is so far above our ability to comprehend? The only response must be unrestrainable worship, directly and spontaneously from our heart-of-hearts. Whether or not this is expressed externally is of little consequence, for like bread rising in the oven, Her time will surely come.

 

After living underground for 17 years, the cicada has emerged and completely overwhelmed certain areas of the eastern USA by it's massive presence. At some point, each of our hearts will burst like pinatas, scattering sweets and divine gifts beyond measure.

[Guest guest]

***Devotional service is NEVER under our control...

 

Yes.

 

***She has come alive in all of us somehow or other by the mercy of the vaishnavas, in the person of His Divine Grace.

 

Yes, Bhaktivedanta Svami and many many His followers. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

***Why argue or even question what is so far above our ability to comprehend? The only response must be unrestrainable worship, directly and spontaneously from our heart-of-hearts. Whether or not this is expressed externally is of little consequence, for like bread rising in the oven, Her time will surely come.

 

Any real followers has spiritual experiens. ISKCON free, then in ISKON not has "single big guru", ISKCON many devotees has many spiritual experiens, with out sectarian. It is spiritual. Prabhu. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Guest guest]

then in ISKON not has "single big guru"

 

single or multiple it is important that the guru is big.. uttama.. from it everything follows

 

ISKCON many devotees has many spiritual experiens, with out sectarian

 

sectarian and spiritualists are everywhere

[Guest guest]

***single or multiple it is important that the guru is big.. uttama.. from it everything follows

 

Uttama has many guru-disciples, He is not has 1 guru, it is not Gaudiya sampradaya. Guru not point "acarya", it is rascals "acaryas".

 

***ISKCON many devotees has many spiritual experiens, with out sectarian

 

***sectarian and spiritualists are everywhere

 

Yes. But in this question ISKCON it is many nice it is obvious. So many Big Guru, but theyr people do like materialists. If you serious in own organisations, then many things we see in own organisation in firts, and second we see sectarian in another organisation.

 

ISKCON true organisations, all anothers with Big Guru it is sects. I am not anger, it is fact. I am read russian/another preachings - it is sects. ISKCON has many difficulties, but in main - queston guru - ISKCON not sects. It is from following acarya - SBST, SP. Another NOT FOLLOW - SBST, SP. Then they do aparadha.

 

Yes aparadha it is danger. Then all this organisations in tama guna.

[Guest guest]

All problems are due to identification with material energy and attempts to manipulate it through material means. Transcendental spiritual experiences in time affect all our relationships, activities, etc. Simply understanding on the mental platform is never enough and ultimately cannot satisfy the heart.

 

Direct personal realization of the the Supreme personality is always continually required. Aspiring devotees must hunger deeply for this, like life or death, and accept nothing less if it is to be truly achieved. Diety worship should be vital and intimate, not merely formal or a perceived duty, much less a show for others. Desire, attitude and individual motivation are very important -- far moreso than any supposed technical perfection.

 

However, most significant of all is how we treat one another. Always best to consider oneself servant of the vaishnava devotees, never qualified to actually be one. A little encouragement and personal support can go a long way sometimes. Humility means fully appreciating that all the glory is due to His Divine Grace, who is present in all devotees, in fact everyone. That remains the focus of our service.

[Guest guest]

***Simply understanding on the mental platform is never enough and ultimately cannot satisfy the heart.

 

Yes.

 

***Diety worship should be vital and intimate, not merely formal or a perceived duty, much less a show for others.

 

Yes. Some show needs too in temple. If we kanisthas.

 

***Desire, attitude and individual motivation are very important -- far moreso than any supposed technical perfection.

 

You has concrete spiritual moods, then spiritual life it is wake up this moods.

 

***However, most significant of all is how we treat one another. Always best to consider oneself servant of the vaishnava devotees, never qualified to actually be one. A little encouragement and personal support can go a long way sometimes. Humility means fully appreciating that all the glory is due to His Divine Grace, who is present in all devotees, in fact everyone. That remains the focus of our service.

 

Needs do some concrete. Books, preach, other side readindg do not help. Needs concrete work.

[theist]

Before reading this please reread above post again.

[Guest guest]

***Before reading this please reread above post again.

 

It is for me?

 

***Another point is that disciplic succession does not mean one has to be directly a disciple of a particular person.

 

"Directly" it is vaou it is not principial. "Directly" it is diksa guru. Diksa guru needs.

[theist]

I meant that for everyone. I haven't followed the thread but did read that post this morning and liked it, so I wanted to direct more attention to it.

 

Hare Krnsa

[Guest guest]

Uttama has many guru-disciples

-it depends on how many disciples have achieved purity.. if there's 1 disciple fit for it, only one will be guru.. if there's 100...

 

Guru not point "acarya", it is rascals "acaryas".

-acharya means "who teachs spiritual behaviour..."

 

But in this question ISKCON it is many nice it is obvious

-yes.. iskcon devotees chant hare krishna, so it is obvious that they are nice. In other organizations where hare krsna is chanted there are also, obviously, other nice devotees

 

ISKCON true organisations, all anothers with Big Guru it is sects. I am not anger, it is fact

-you are very unfortunate, prabhupada does not teaches your philosophy.. please join iskcon, follow srila prabhupada

 

 

[theist]

I now see the confusion. We posted at about the same time. I was refering to the post above yours.

 

Of course if guest would identify himself in some fashion that could be avoided.

[Guest guest]

"Guest" may prefer his/her words to be taken on their own merit and posts for those with the God-given eyes to see, not requiring nor wanting any reply or discussion. What we see is what we get after all, again like everything else by the mercy of His Divine Grace.

 

Hopefully, some will appreciate, finding encouragement for their own personal realizations. Insignificance, the topic of this thread, does not expect recognition, or even desire it. Others may prefer to use these forums to enjoy speculative discussion of whatever, forming virtual relationships with whomever for whatever reasons. That of course is their right as freedom is graciously given here to do so.

 

Should not all who submit their sincere thoughts, feelings and beliefs, etc. be permitted similar freedom? Frankly, I don't search out differences, but seek the common ground without contentiousness. Agree or not, that too is your right.

[theist]

 

"Guest" may prefer his/her words to be taken on their own merit and posts for those with the God-given eyes to see, not requiring nor wanting any reply or discussion.

 

 

 

Sounds a little impersonal to me. Also because this is a discussion forum that comes with a reply button on every post the venue may be out of place for Guests (whoever you are referring to, I haven't a clue) who desire this.

 

But it could work if said Guest would add to his post "No need to respond, just believe", then I am sure all would get the message.

[Guest guest]

***Before reading this please reread above post again.

 

***I meant that for everyone. I haven't followed the thread but did read that post this morning and liked it, so I wanted to direct more attention to it.

 

PLs write directly your idea. needs diksa guru, needs diksa, but start may be from siksa guru, siksa books SP. What you udea?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Kailasa,

 

When I read what you write it seems that you think Sri Chaitanya only lives inside ISKCON. Krishna is only existing inside ISKCON. Vaisnavism is confined within ISKCON. Krishna doesn't exist outside ISKCON. Is this right?

[Guest guest]

Kailasa wrote:

ISKCON true organisations, all anothers with Big Guru it is sects. I am not anger, it is fact. I am read russian/another preachings - it is sects. ISKCON has many difficulties, but in main - queston guru - ISKCON not sects. It is from following acarya - SBST, SP. Another NOT FOLLOW - SBST, SP. Then they do aparadha.

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Kailasa, what makes you think that Sri Chaitanya only wants just one acarya, Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, to be the only disciple of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada who is worthy of respect?

 

There are many acharyas who are disiples of Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada who have preached and made disciples. Many, many thousands of disciples. And the one acharya you follow is not currently present in the world. He is not available for anyone to go to him and ask him questions that he can give his answer to, and tell you that you are doing something wrong, or misreading his books, when you create a false philosophy because of your newness in Krishna Consciousness. When people in ISKCON are misunderstanding and misrepresenting the statements given in Chaitanya Charitamrta, Bhagavatam, etc, who is going to tell them, "you are wrong to think that, your ideas are wrong". Is Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja intervening and telling devotees who are doing wrong things, "No, don't do this". No, we don't see him doing this. Prabhupada is in his samadhi. This false idea that the founder of one Society is the only Guru for the next 10,000 years is wrong. Very wrong. This false story, "Prabhupada is the only way to Krishna", it cannot not go on.

 

This false idea is against the facts of history and against the truth. Many acaryas naturally came out and preached after Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada. And Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja went and took sannyasa from Sripad Keshava Maharaja, who took sannyasa from Sripad Sridhara Maharaja. Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada made many acaryas. He told Bhakti Saranga Goswami Maharaja, when he went to London in 1934, "If you meet someone who wants to take initition then you can give them inititation." And Bhakti Saranga Goswami Maharaja did give initiation to people. Even before his own Guru left this world. And Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, for one year he was engaged as temple president of one of the temples of Bhakti Saranga Goswami Maharaja. He did that for a year, before he took sannyasa from Keshava Maharaj. So it is insane to suggest that Bhakti Saranga Goswami Maharaja is not a genuine Guru. He is a Guru, and his Math is separate from ISKCON. They have many devotees in that Math and they are worshipping Sri Sri Radha Krishna. It is offensive to say that only ISKCON devotees worship Krishna properly, and that only ISKCON devotees have a real and "bona-fide" connection to Krishna. Or that Prabhupada is the only way to connect to Krishna. This sort of nonsense is offensive.

 

Why have many acaryas come out from Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada's preaching mission? Why are there many Gaudiya Math temples, instead of just one acarya in the mission. One pope? Do you think there must be one Pope for the Gaudiya Vaishnavas. The Pope must be one person, and everyone will follow him? Did Krishna arrange history so that it worked out that way, that the Gaudiya Sampradaya will be one unified organization with a Pope as the leader? No, Krishna has made many Gurus. Not one. Why do you think there are so many Gurus outside of ISKCON? In the temples of the Gaudiya Math many acaryas have come out to preach. It is necessary. Are they all false Gurus? Do you think that, Kailasa? If you say they are false, then why did your Swami Maharaja Prabhupada send his own sister Pishima to get initiation from Bhakti Saranga Goswami Maharaja? Why did Swami Maharaja Prabhupada take sannysa from Sripad Keshava Maharja. Why did he tell Jayapataka and others, "Go and listen to Sridhar Maharaj, he is a pure devotee." Why did Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Prabhupada say that if Sridhar Maharaj isn't really a genuine Guru? Was Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Prabhupada saying the truth when he said Sridhar Maharaj is a pure devotee and a Guru? I believe Prabhupada was telling the truth. But this cult mentality that Prabhupada is "the only way" is wrong and it must be end.

[theist]

 

PLs write directly your idea. needs diksa guru, needs diksa, but start may be from siksa guru, siksa books SP. What you udea?

 

 

Well kailasa, often people when using the word diksa are giving it different meanings. So I am trying to avoid the whole squabble which may be endless and never reach a conclusion.

 

I think the word itself should be set aside and the speaker should explain what he is talking about in his native language or english or something. You know explain exactly what you mean when you say diksa.

 

If by diksa one is refering to the process of accepting transcendental knowledge, then I believe that can be accomplished by reading Srila Prabhupada's books which contain his commentaries.

 

Personally I see diksa as transmitting transcendental knowledge as coming with accepting siksa from reading Prabhupada's books, or the writting of any realized soul.

 

No need for ritvik rituals or GBC stamping.

 

If you mean by diksa, brahmana intiation for Deity worship, then the previous authorities can make that determination, personally or through a GBC or whatever.

 

I have never been attracted to diksa as ceremonial ritual and tend to view it similar to the Christian practice of water baptism which is a simple rite symbolizing the cleansing of the soul.

 

So I have lost interest in the argument basically. All I need to have is the disciplic conclusion revealed to me. So that is what I intend to focus on.

 

As far as sects go I find it helpful to think in terms of branches. Different branches may come off Srila Bhaktisiddanta and likewise off of those branches more will come. Factions may appear also forming little sects like the infamous gopi-bhava-club. If people keep strongly to the main focus of spreading the chanting to the suffering these little clubs may come and go but they won't find any solid standing. But if we allow a vacuum to develop by ignoring the main purpose of the sankirtana movement then they may fill that void.

 

According to their purity they may display more obvious potencies. I see a need for these different branches to become a little more generous with each other when they interact. From what little I have seen those who are serving in the B.R. Sridhar Maharaja branch seem to do the best job at this IMO. Some may emphasize a visibly embodied guru more than others. Other are satisfied with their main focus being Prabhupada's books. For some reason they often can't seem to tolerate the others having their own viewpoint. So they fight.

 

Such intolerance should be avoided IMO. If it comes up make your point and then let it go. There are billions of souls in human forms on Earth at any one time that haven't heard of chanting God's names, haven't a clue as to what their real identity is. As we endlessly squabble on who the real guru is they are being kicked out of their bodies and into the bodies of God only knows what.

 

I think real guru will be seen to be keeping his attention fixed on alleviating the suffering of the conditioned souls.

 

"...on MY order be guru and liberate the land."

Not "...on My order be guru and spend all your time debating your groups bonafides"

 

So unity may come or it may not. Either way every individual who has received even an ounce of grace from this movement has a duty to share that ounce with someone that has not been that fortunate thus far.

 

Krsna will undoubtly give you another ounce to appreciate and spread. Then another, then a kilo etc. In this way you will become heavy with the "burden" of distributing His mercy.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

***You know explain exactly what you mean when you say diksa.

 

It is initiating in holy name. Brahman initiation not so important. Diksa it is following instruction guru. Yagya not so important, but yagya it is good.

 

***If by diksa one is refering to the process of accepting transcendental knowledge, then I believe that can be accomplished by reading Srila Prabhupada's books which contain his commentaries.

 

In some elements, but needs real parampara, needs devotees. With out devotees we do not understand books. SP write about this. We needs work but own working person do not understand all.

 

Diksa guru in time establish spiritual relations for disciple. Srila Prabhupada in is main siksa guru and acarya, it is right, but He is not diksa guru. Any mistakes? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

***Personally I see diksa as transmitting transcendental knowledge as coming with accepting siksa from reading Prabhupada's books, or the writting of any realized soul.

 

Yes it is part, it is siksa, but real person - spiritual master help disciple. It is real help, in real time. Diksa means - some guru help disciple and in some time they do yagya - "initiation". It is not formal process. Formal initiation not need.

 

***No need for ritvik rituals or GBC stamping.

 

You do not look like ritvik. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

***If you mean by diksa, brahmana intiation for Deity worship, then the previous authorities can make that determination, personally or through a GBC or whatever.

 

No. In some sence brahmana intiation it is sucsses disciple ( if he is real brahman ), but brahmana intiation nit so important, because hari nama absolute.

 

***I have never been attracted to diksa as ceremonial ritual and tend to view it similar to the Christian practice of water baptism which is a simple rite symbolizing the cleansing of the soul.

 

Yes, it is obvious.

 

***As far as sects go I find it helpful to think in terms of branches. Different branches may come off Srila Bhaktisiddanta and likewise off of those branches more will come.

 

SBST in vipralambha really, if person do not understand SP he do not undaerstand SBST. In some sence SBST preach sambhoga Krisna lila, it is mercy God for devotees. But real person reach Krisna lila following metods Lord Caitanya. Giswami write some metods dhyana for neophits in me humble opinion it is not main way, main metods. Desire direct contact it is part devotional servise, and parampara teach us about true form this desire.

 

***Factions may appear also forming little sects like the infamous gopi-bhava-club.

 

IMHO they some understand. They do not so strong now following for Srila Prabhupada. But some has some intellect and this they smaranam ( i am do not know english word ) about all. They do not jamp above Prabhupada - Bhaktivedanta Svami. may be if they be very humble, do not any disurb ISKCON, then some chanse. If person materialistic some, then sambhoga it is highe target for them. Sambhoga it is not high position.

 

It is big question. It is not teoretical question. They needs more surrender Lord, and understand own not good position. If person strong - then he is able for this.

 

Nobody do not follow 4 principles, it is not possible. Only crazy thin (?) - I am follow 4 principles. It is no possible. Understanding owm IMPERFECTION it is way for real perfection. In start person neeeds be entusiast, but some time mood Lord Caitanya start. In ISKCON so many throubles because - ISKCON real preach, mood Prabhupada so strong, He is mercy, but He is wont real progress. Not cheap. Real. It is so nice.

 

Exuse me english.

 

***From what little I have seen those who are serving in the B.R. Sridhar Maharaja branch seem to do the best job at this IMO.

 

Yes, I am too. But Narayana Svami disciple too has good side - more freedom for example. I am not any side - not SCSM, not another. Spiritual scince not formal, then needs time for understanding, needs time for many things. If they be follow spiritual targets, then dialoge come. If we be follow maya targets, then many troubles come.

 

Any way for all GM - needs read books SP, not any they books not has value as books SP. Reading books SP it is key for all.

 

Some may emphasize a visibly embodied guru more than others. Other are satisfied with their main focus being Prabhupada's books. For some reason they often can't seem to tolerate the others having their own viewpoint. So they fight.

 

***There are billions of souls in human forms on Earth at any one time that haven't heard of chanting God's names, haven't a clue as to what their real identity is.

 

Yes, so big field for preach. We needs vide (?) reason.

 

***I think real guru will be seen to be keeping his attention fixed on alleviating the suffering of the conditioned souls.

 

Yes, but needs autoritete process.

 

***"...on MY order be guru and liberate the land."

Not "...on My order be guru and spend all your time debating your groups bonafides"

 

Nice, be guru theist, very well. Exuse. We do not needs be any "big guru". Guru it is nice servant really. We needs small real servant for all - for preach all. It is job make for person devotee.

 

Preachings SP not sectant as, then i am follow SP.

 

***So unity may come or it may not.

 

It is not main. We may quarrel all time, but meeds quarrel with love or intelligence. Any formal unity do not any power. You agree? We may quarrel or not fighting, it is not principial. /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/smile.gif Yes all world go in hell - it is truth. Needs do only principial things, time is short (?).

 

***Either way every individual who has received even an ounce of grace from this movement has a duty to share that ounce with someone that has not been that fortunate thus far.

 

It is has so many aspects. Yes i agree.

 

***Krsna will undoubtly give you another ounce to appreciate and spread.

 

Yes, it is know all who preach. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

Another point is that disciplic succession does not mean one has to be directly a disciple of a particular person.-letter to Kirtananda 69-01-25

 

... disciplic succession does not always mean that one has to be initiated officially. Disciplic succession means to accept the disciplic conclusion. -letter to Dinesh 1969

[Guest guest]

Does calling yourself "theist" make you "personal"?

Spiritual personalism has little to do with identifiable nomenclature.

Spiritual pesonalism is the stuff of INNATE distinction and

even an anonymous guest may be marked by it.

Mark my words.

 

Newest Guest.

[theist]

Your english has gotten MUCH better in just the past short time. Don't worry about it and keep at it. Like yashodanandana always worried about it and made himself very understandable at the same time.

 

We pretty much agree on everything I think. That might be a danger sign for you. Of course my problem is I talk a better game than I practice. "Example is better than precept." Someday.

 

Hare Krsna

[theist]

 

>>Does calling yourself "theist" make you "personal"?<<

 

No, I am personal because Krsna caused me to as such. Theist or some label just makes it easier for others to carry on a converstaion with me and I with them.

 

>>Spiritual personalism has little to do with identifiable nomenclature.<<

Yeah, its the world of names.

 

>>Spiritual pesonalism is the stuff of INNATE distinction and

even an anonymous guest may be marked by it.<<

 

Yeah, I just haven't developed that pyschic ability yet.

 

>>Mark my words.<<

 

Oh, OK

 

>>Newest Guest.<<

 

Looks like you get the point afterall.