World War III

[Pankaja_Dasa]

 

Not posting regular, this is interesting. Do devotees think KC will spread after this? Haribol.

 

 

 

As many devotees are aware, Srila Prabhupada has many times warned

us that

the third world war is soon to take place and why.

 

"The whole world is awaiting that disaster"

 

That is awaiting. The whole world is awaiting that disaster. The

America has

got atom bomb and Russia has got atom bomb. As soon as there is

another war,

the whole world will be finished.

(Bhagavad-gita Lec. 13.14 Bombay, October 7, 1973)

 

So these rascals are going on. So it is very difficult to preach Krsna

consciousness. The whole world is overburdened by these rascals and

demons.

So atom, atom bomb is waiting for them. Yes. It will be finished. All

the

demons will be finished.

(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.8.34 Los Angeles, April 26, 1973)

 

You are maintaining so many slaughterhouses, and when it will be

mature,

there will be war, the wholesale murder. Finished. One atom

bomb--finished.

You'll have to suffer. Don't think that "Innocent animals, they

cannot

protest. Let us kill and eat." No. You'll be also punished. Wait

for

accumulation of your sinful activities, and there will be war, and the

America will drop the atom bomb, and Russia will be finished. Both

will be

finished. Go on now enjoying. It takes time. Just like even if you

infect

some disease, it takes time. Not that immediately you infect, and

immediately the disease is there. No. It takes a week's time or so.

(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 6.1.32 Honolulu, May 31, 1976)

 

 

 

 

 

Paramahamsa: The theory nowadays is that by the proliferation of

atomic

weapons, that Russia has so many weapons, China has so many weapons,

the

United States has so much...

Prabhupada: Everyone now. India has also.

Paramahamsa: They're all afraid of using them.

Prabhupada: They must use it. That is nature's arrangement.

Paramahamsa: Yeah, right. History.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is nature's arrangement (chuckles) that you all

die.

That is nature's arrangement.

Tamala Krsna: When someone gets some power he wants to try it out.

Just like

there was that demon. Lord Siva gave him power: whoever head he

touched, the

head would fall off.

Prabhupada: Just like in your country there are so many cars so that

a poor

man like me has car always, not an inch move on leg. So because there

is so

many. There are so many cars. So there are so many weapons now. That

must be

used. That is a natural sequence. They must use it.

Bahulasva: That is why they have wars, just so they can use up the

weapons.

Prabhupada: Oh yes.

Paramahamsa: The only difficulty is that if one person uses the atomic

weapon, that means entire, it would be entire waste of mankind. So

everyone's afraid of using the ultimate.

Prabhupada: Well, anyway, they must be used. There is no doubt about

it.

Therefore we can say there will be war. It is no astrology. It is

natural

conclusion.

Tamala Krsna: Common sense.

Paramahamsa: That'd mean total destruction.

Prabhupada: Well, total or partial, that we shall see. But they must

be

used.

 

( S.P.Morning Walk July 18, 1975, San Francisco)

 

 

 

 

The modern civilization has got everything, but without God

consciousness,

any moment it will be finished. And there are symptoms... Any moment.

At the

present moment, this godless civilization, as soon as there is

declaration

of war, the America is prepared to drop atom bomb, Russia is... The

first

nation who will drop the atom bomb, he will be victorious. Nobody

will be

victorious, because both of them are ready to drop. The America will

be

finished and Russia will be finished. That is the position. So you

may make

advancement of civilization, scientific improvement, economic

development,

but if it is godless, at any moment it will be finished. At any

moment.

(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.15.21 Los Angeles, December 1, 1973)

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have created this situation. You must be killed. You may be

American or

Englishman or German or this or that. You may be very proud of your

nationality. But you must be killed." This is the position.

Isvarasya

vicestitam. "You have killed so many animals. Now wholesale

killing, one

bomb. One atom bomb. Be killed." So these rascals they do not

know how

things are going on. Isvarasya vicestitam. "Tit for tat."

There must be.

(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.15.24 Los Angeles, December 3, 1973)

 

Prabhupada: This dhumaketu is described in Dasavatara-stotra,

dhumaketum iva

kim api karalam. Dhumaketum iva. Dhumaketum iva kim api karalam. As

soon as

there is comet, there will be some disaster. Very great disaster. In

our

childhood we saw the comet, not this like. That was small comet.

Still, the

first world war was there declared. That we have seen in 1914.

Nara-narayana: Halley's comet.

Prabhupada: Eh?

Nara-narayana: I think they called it Halley's comet. Halley's comet.

Prabhupada: Now the... You can expect at any moment disaster in this

material world, but the comet is the sign that there will be some

great

disaster.

( S.P. Morning Walk January 3, 1974, Los Angeles)

 

Prabhupada: Yes. All Western adventure to keep people in darkness.

And that

is going on. Now it will be smashed by the next war. Next war will

come very

soon.

Tamala Krsna: (Surprised) Oh!

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Next war...?

Prabhupada: Your country, America, is very much eager to kill these

Communists. And the Communists are also very eager. So very soon

there will

be war. And perhaps India will be the greatest sufferer.

Tamala Krsna: Greatest...?

Devotees: Sufferer.

Srutakirti: Sufferer.

Prabhupada: Because America is aiming to start the war from India.

Devotee: Oh!

Prabhupada: Yes. Because India and Russia, they are...

Brahmananda: They are... Friendship.

Prabhupada: No. Side by side. If the war is started from India...

Rupanuga: So India will become...

Prabhupada: And the Russians are ready here already, I have heard,

with

soldiers and... Not soldiers. I mean to say.

Hamsaduta: Missiles.

Prabhupada: Yes. They are also vigilant.

Visnujana: Will that help our preaching, Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Preaching will be very nice after the war when both of

them,

especially Russia, will be finished.......

Prabhupada: Yes, they are getting. They are already getting. The

Pakistan

will start the war with India. And then everything will be...

Devotees: Oh! Whew!

Devotee: Pakistan will start a war... (devotees talking among

themselves.)...

Tamala Krsna: Will this war spread to many different countries and

continents?

Prabhupada: The actual war will be between America and Russia.

( S.P. Morning Walk Conversation (World War III) April 4, 1975,

Mayapur)

 

 

Prabhupada: Yes. Next war means atomic war. All these rascals will be

killed

automatically. I will kill you, you'll kill me. That's all.

Yogesvara: Is that war to occur in the recent future? Or is that a

long way

off?

Prabhupada: Very recent, very recent future.

(S.P.Morning Walk May 27, 1974, Rome)

 

 

 

How far away is the very recent future ?

If we look at the following article Srila Prabhupada wrote in Back To

Godhead in 1956 it is clear that the materialistic plans of the

present age

will meet with the same fate as previous material civilizations.

Being annihilated by nuclear weapons,today's blind materialism will be

crushed, after a lapse of 50 years [2006]

 

"After a laps of fifty years"

 

By the grace of the illusory energy of Godhead we are now engaged

more and

more in the dangerous type of work in this machine-age. The

machine-age is

the result of dangerous type of work. When we leave aside the culture

of

spiritualism, we are entangled in the dangerous type of work. Nobody

can

live for a moment without work and therefore when finer elements are

made to

stop working, gross materialism occupies the devil's brain. The

result is

that we have now come to the age of nuclear weapons for the

destruction of

material civilization. By the law of nature, the nuclear weapons have

been

produced for crushing the result of blind-materialism.

The peace move of different powers of the world, by the false

gesture of

suspending the experiments of dangerous weapons--may be very much

pleasing

to the comparatively weak nations--but these temporary peace-moves

will

prove useless by the law of material nature. When the dangerous

weapons are

produced, they must be utilised for annihilation of blind materialism

by the

plan of the Daivi Maya or the external energy of Godhead. The problem

can be

solved when they are taught about their spiritual identity.

The soul-killing civilization is progressively taking to the

dangerous type

of work by invention of huge mechanical means. The illusory energy is

creating this atmosphere for blind materialism and on the other hand

she is

arranging for their destruction also. Such opposite methods are called

illusory energy. The human energy is thus misused for breaking the

same

thing which is produced by the same energy. It is something like

blazing the

fire and extinguish it by pouring water simultaneously--a sign of

insanity

or spoiling the valuable human energy meant for spiritual culture.

History

has been repeated so many times and many many leaders of materialism

like

Napoleon, Hitler and others now remain in name only without any sign

of the

material progress planned by them. De-Stalinisation has already begun

in

Russia. Nobody is enjoying the result of civilization created by

atheists

like Ravana, Kansa, Aurangzeb, Napoleon or Hitler. Everything is in

oblivion

and this teaches us the lesson that the materialistic plans of the

present

age will also meet with the same fate after a lapse of 50 years.

Therefore

blind materialism does not bring in any permanent relief in the world.

 

(Srila Prabhupada B.T.G. Article 1956 "Blind Materialism" )

 

 

 

 

 

"The first party who will drop the bomb

on the other party, he will be victorious,

and immediately the war will stop"

 

Now the nuclear war means it will not continue very long. The first

party

who will drop the bomb on the other party, he will be victorious, and

immediately the war will stop. They are simply arranging how to drop

the

atom bomb first. So one who will be able to drop the bomb first, he

will be

victorious. It doesn't require long time. Just like in Japan, as soon

as the

Americans dropped the atom bomb in Hiroshima, immediately they

surrendered.

This will be the result. Now the question is who will be able to drop

the

bomb first.

 

(S.P. Morning Walk June 16, 1975, Honolulu)

 

 

Harikesa: The sinless people will survive

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee (3): Who is that?

Prabhupada: We

 

 

Prabhupada: That will take place. Otherwise, how they will be killed?

Ambarisa: They're calling it a limited nuclear war.

Prabhupada: They are accumulated so much sinful load that must be

killed.

That is sure. (break) ...the massacre. That will take place.

Harikesa: The sinless people will survive?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Devotee (3): Who is that?

Prabhupada: We. (break) There was an artificial famine in India and I

particularly inquired from all devotees whether they have got any

problem in

this famine. They said, "No, we haven't got." I have taken

the statistics.

In 1942 the artificial famine created by government... So there were

big

earthquake in Bihar. At that time one of my godbrother, he was

government

auditor. So I inquired. In that earthquake only his house was saved.

I have

seen it many times. Kaunteya pratijanihi na me bhaktah pranasyati.

That is

the only....

 

samasrita ye .-pallava-plavam

mahat-padam punya-yaso murareh

bhavambudhir vatsa-padam param padam

padam padam yad vipadam na tesam

 

Padam padam yad vipadam na tesam. It is not meant for them, all these

dangerous condition.

 

(S.P. Morning Walk June 16, 1975, Honolulu)

 

 

 

 

 

Whether we are saved or not will depend on Krsna. If we live, that

will be

fortunate for us because this will give us more precious time to

develop our

loving relationship with Srila Prabhupada. It will also give us a

chance to

render very valuable service to His Divine Grace. After the war this

civilization of Blind Materialism will come to sense and be humble

enough to

hear Srila Prabhupada's message.

 

Dhananjaya: And after the war what will be the result?

Prabhupada: After the war they will come to sense.

 

(S.P.Morning Walk May 27, 1974, Rome)

 

Prabhupada: Preaching will be very nice after the war when both of

them,

especially Russia, will be finished.......

 

( S.P. Morning Walk Conversation (World War III) April 4, 1975,

Mayapur)

 

 

Sri Isopanisad : there is a very wonderful and relevant passage from

the

book.

 

PEACE: There is always this great quarrel between the laborers and the

capitalistsin in present-day society. The quarrel has now taken an

international shape, and the world is in danger? .The Bomb is in the

hands

of both the communists and capitalists, and if both do not recognize

the

proprietorship of the Supreme Lord, it is sure and certain that,

ultimately,

the Bomb will ruin both parties. Therefore, in order to save

themselves,

both must follow the instruction of Sri Isopanisad, and thus bring

peace to

the world. (Page 16)

 

 

 

[jayaisvara]

That is very near, very very near.

[Guest guest]

Ifg I'm around I can only hope the bomb lands on my head. Imediately after such a war who would want to remain.

 

Hot flash of light?...well better than getting hit by a truck in the street.

 

I just hope I am chanting.

[Kulapavana]

whether the war is near or far it is not that relevant. we can die at any time, from the most common situations, like driving to work. Srila Prabhupada was not preaching apocallyptic message of gloom and doom - he was preaching the message of love and hope.

[jayaisvara]

If Krsna wants someone to live, no one can kill that person. If He wants someone to not live, no one can save that person.

[mud]

Isn't it quite apparent that in most of those quotes Prabhupada is referring to the war between U.S. and Russia? Sorry prabhus, that war is over without any nukes. Sure there may be nukes somewhere/sometime going off but I wouldn't get too caught up in trying to see Prabhupada as a mystic who predicts the future. He has a much more important message.

[Guest guest]

"...I wouldn't get too caught up in trying to see Prabhupada as a mystic who predicts the future. He has a much more important message."

 

Right! Whatever it took to bring about surrender and chanting in particular was necessary. Srila Prabhupada was withphysically us for such a brief time. He also needed to keep unity within ISKCON to accomplish his desire to spread Krsna consciousness worldwide. That meant accepting only his authority and restricting our reading to books he'd written.

 

Now that the initial foundation has more or less been laid, it has to be somehow built on and developed. There is no cheap external route to self-realization by simply submitting ourselves to other jiva souls. Surrender comes down to each individual's personal relationship with God.

 

Srila Prabhupada is not the be-all-and-end-all forevermore, but only one aspect of Sri Guru, Lord Nityananda Prabhu and His Divine Grace Srimati Radharani. While there was a time for the kind of dependence we had on Prabhupada, now each of us is obliged to develop our own deeper more transcendental relationship with the Supreme.

 

This in no way minimizes his role or amazing accomplishments, in fact it involves a maturing of our appreciation not only of gurudeva, but our own devotional selves as well. Our faith is in a personal God not limited even by scripture, let alone the automatic workings of His material energy.

 

One thing and only one controls Krsna and that, of course, is the LOVE of His devotees, the personified source of which we find in Sri Radhika. Motivation through fear and guilt is the basis of religious faith, not the stuff loving relationships are made of.

[Guest guest]

Hare Krishna!

 

All glories to Srila PRabhupada! I offer my humble obeisances unto Him!

 

Yes, you are right prabhu! could not have said it much better!

 

Srila PRabhupada ki Jay!!

 

Haribol!

 

anand

[Guest guest]

I am not afraid to die, I hope this world war 3 starts soon, so I can finally die and maybe just see god for a few seconds, I dont think he will take me back to godhead but, I am sure he will revilea himself, and will let me be reborn in a safe planet, where I can continue elvating my krishna conciouness.

[Guest guest]

Dying is relatively easy. It's happening to all of us anyway, whether we want it or not. Living for God is the REAL challenge. Don't expect simply leaving your present body will automatically assure you better circumstances next time. Often devotees find themselves facing increasingly difficult situations as Krsna's mercy help them advance spiritually. In the heat of it all, appreciating His Divine Grace can often seem impossible, but that may be the quickest road to a stronger faith.