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what does krishna say about people who switch from hinduisim to another religion

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He says "Man damn those fools!".....just kidding. but I dont think krsna knows what a hindu is, because he never spoke such a word. He wasnt a hindu, hindu is a tag the muslims put on those who followed the vedas.

[gHari]

When Sri Krsna descended and presented Himself in His original Syamasundara form as Lord Krishna, the Prince of Dwaraka He called such persons "mudha" (asses, rascals, fools) in Bhagavad-gita 9.11:

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<TD WIDTH="50%"><center><img src=http://home.primus.ca/~caitanya/Syamasundara.jpg></center></td><TD WIDTH="50%" VALIGN="MIDDLE"><CENTER><h3><font color="RED">"avajAnanti mAM <font color="blue">mUDhA<font color="RED">

mAnuSIM tanum Azritam

paraM bhAvam ajAnanto

mama bhUta-mahezvaram"

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avajAnanti--deride; mAm--Me;

<font color="blue">mUDhAH--foolish men; <font color="RED">

mAnuSIm--in a human form; tanum--a body;

Azritam--assuming; param--transcendental;

bhAvam--nature; ajAnantaH--not knowing;

mama--My; bhUta--of everything that be;

mahA-Izvaram--the supreme proprietor.</font></center></TD></table>

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>"<font color="blue">Fools</font> deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature as the Supreme Lord of all that be."

 

PURPORT

From the other explanations of the previous verses in this chapter, it is clear that the Supreme Personality of Godhead, although appearing like a human being, is not a common man. The Personality of Godhead, who conducts the creation, maintenance and annihilation of the complete cosmic manifestation, cannot be a human being. Yet there are many foolish men who consider KRSNa to be merely a powerful man and nothing more. Actually, He is the original Supreme Personality, as is confirmed in the Brahma-saMhitA (IzvaraH paramaH kRSNaH); He is the Supreme Lord.

 

There are many Izvaras, controllers, and one appears greater than another. In the ordinary management of affairs in the material world, we find some official or director, and above him there is a secretary, and above him a minister, and above him a president. Each of them is a controller, but one is controlled by another. In the Brahma-saMhitA it is said that KRSNa is the supreme controller; there are many controllers undoubtedly, both in the material and spiritual world, but KRSNa is the supreme controller (IzvaraH paramaH kRSNaH). and His body is sac-cid-Ananda, nonmaterial.

 

Material bodies cannot perform the wonderful acts described in previous verses. His body is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge. Although He is not a common man, the foolish deride Him and consider Him to be a man. His body is called here mAnuSIm because He is acting just like a man, a friend of Arjuna's, a politician involved in the Battle of KurukSetra. In so many ways He is acting just like an ordinary man, but actually His body is sac-cid-Ananda-vigraha [bs. 5.1]--eternal bliss and knowledge absolute. This is confirmed in the Vedic language also. Sac-cid-Ananda-rUpAya kRSNAya: "I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, KRSNa, who is the eternal blissful form of knowledge." (GopAla-tApanI UpaniSad 1.1) There are other descriptions in the Vedic language also. Tam ekaM govindam: "You are Govinda, the pleasure of the senses and the cows." Sac-cid-Ananda-vigraham: "And Your form is transcendental, full of knowledge, bliss and eternality." (GopAla-tApanI UpaniSad 1.35)

 

Despite the transcendental qualities of Lord KRSNa's body, its full bliss and knowledge, there are many so-called scholars and commentators of Bhagavad-gItA who deride KRSNa as an ordinary man. The scholar may be born an extraordinary man due to his previous good work, but this conception of SrI KRSNa is due to a poor fund of knowledge. Therefore he is called mUDha. for only foolish persons consider KRSNa to be an ordinary human being. The foolish consider KRSNa an ordinary human being because they do not know the confidential activities of the Supreme Lord and His different energies. They do not know that KRSNa's body is a symbol of complete knowledge and bliss, that He is the proprietor of everything that be and that He can award liberation to anyone. Because they do not know that KRSNa has so many transcendental qualifications, they deride Him.

 

Nor do they know that the appearance of the Supreme Personality of Godhead in this material world is a manifestation of His internal energy. He is the master of the material energy. As has been explained in several places (mama mAyA duratyayA), He claims that the material energy, although very powerful, is under His control, and whoever surrenders unto Him can get out of the control of this material energy. If a soul surrendered to KRSNa can get out of the influence of material energy, then how can the Supreme Lord, who conducts the creation, maintenance and annihilation of the whole cosmic nature, have a material body like us? So this conception of KRSNa is complete foolishness. Foolish persons, however, cannot conceive that the Personality of Godhead, KRSNa, appearing just like an ordinary man, can be the controller of all the atoms and of the gigantic manifestation of the universal form. The biggest and the minutest are beyond their conception, so they cannot imagine that a form like that of a human being can simultaneously control the infinite and the minute. Actually although He is controlling the infinite and the finite, He is apart from all this manifestation. It is clearly stated concerning His yogam aizvaram, His inconceivable transcendental energy, that He can control the infinite and the finite simultaneously and that He can remain aloof from them. Although the foolish cannot imagine how KRSNa, who appears just like a human being, can control the infinite and the finite, those who are pure devotees accept this, for they know that KRSNa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore they completely surrender unto Him and engage in KRSNa consciousness, devotional service of the Lord.

 

There are many controversies between the impersonalists and the personalists about the Lord's appearance as a human being. But if we consult Bhagavad-gItA and SrImad-BhAgavatam, the authoritative texts for understanding the science of KRSNa, then we can understand that KRSNa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is not an ordinary man, although He appeared on this earth as an ordinary human. In the SrImad-BhAgavatam, First Canto, First Chapter, when the sages headed by Saunaka inquired about the activities of KRSNa, they said:

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kRtavAn kila karmANi

saha rAmeNa kezavaH

ati-martyAni bhagavAn

gUDhaH kapaTa-mANuSaH

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"Lord SrI KRSNa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, along with BalarAma, played like a human being, and so masked He performed many superhuman acts." (BhAg. 1.1.20) The Lord's appearance as a man bewilders the foolish. No human being could perform the wonderful acts that KRSNa performed while He was present on this earth. When KRSNa appeared before His father and mother, Vasudeva and DevakI, He appeared with four hands, but after the prayers of the parents He transformed Himself into an ordinary child. As stated in the BhAgavatam (10.3.46), babhUva prAkRtaH zizuH: He became just like an ordinary child, an ordinary human being. Now, here again it is indicated that the Lord's appearance as an ordinary human being is one of the features of His transcendental body. In the Eleventh Chapter of Bhagavad-gItA also it is stated that Arjuna prayed to see KRSNa's form of four hands (tenaiva rUpeNa catur-bhujena). After revealing this form, KRSNa, when petitioned by Arjuna, again assumed His original humanlike form (mAnuSaM rUpam). These different features of the Supreme Lord are certainly not those of an ordinary human being.

 

Some of those who deride KRSNa and who are infected with the MAyAvAdI philosophy quote the following verse from the SrImad-BhAgavatam (3.29.21) to prove that KRSNa is just an ordinary man. AhaM sarveSu bhUteSu bhUtAtmAvasthitaH sadA: "The Supreme is present in every living entity." We should better take note of this particular verse from the VaiSNava AcAryas like JIva GosvAmI and VizvanAtha CakravartI ThAkura instead of following the interpretation of unauthorized persons who deride KRSNa. JIva GosvAmI, commenting on this verse, says that KRSNa, in His plenary expansion as ParamAtmA, is situated in the moving and the nonmoving entities as the Supersoul, so any neophyte devotee who simply gives his attention to the arcA-mUrti, the form of the Supreme Lord in the temple, and does not respect other living entities is uselessly worshiping the form of the Lord in the temple. There are three kinds of devotees of the Lord, and the neophyte is in the lowest stage. The neophyte devotee gives more attention to the Deity in the temple than to other devotees, so VizvanAtha CakravartI ThAkura warns that this sort of mentality should be corrected. A devotee should see that because KRSNa is present in everyone's heart as ParamAtmA, every body is the embodiment or the temple of the Supreme Lord; so as one offers respect to the temple of the Lord, he should similarly properly respect each and every body in which the ParamAtmA dwells. Everyone should therefore be given proper respect and should not be neglected.

 

There are also many impersonalists who deride temple worship. They say that since God is everywhere, why should one restrict himself to temple worship? But if God is everywhere, is He not in the temple or in the Deity? Although the personalist and the impersonalist will fight with one another perpetually, a perfect devotee in KRSNa consciousness knows that although KRSNa is the Supreme Personality, He is all-pervading, as confirmed in the Brahma-saMhitA. Although His personal abode is Goloka VRndAvana and He is always staying there, by His different manifestations of energy and by His plenary expansion He is present everywhere in all parts of the material and spiritual creation.

 

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From a lecture:

 

Disciple: They say we are escaping from reality.

 

SrIla PrabhupAda: Yes, we are escaping their reality. But their reality is a dog's race, and our reality is to advance in self-realization, KRSNa consciousness. That is the difference. Therefore the mundane, materialistic workers have been described as mUDhas, asses. Why? Because the ass works very hard for no tangible gain. He carries on his back tons of cloth for the washerman, and the washerman in return gives him a little morsel of grass. Then the ass stands at the washerman's door, eating the grass, while the washerman loads him up again. The ass has no sense to think, "If I get out of the clutches of this washerman, I can get grass anywhere. Why am I carrying so much?"

 

The mundane workers are like that. They're busy at the office, very busy. If you want to see the fellow, "I am very busy now." [Laughter.] So what is the result of your being so busy? "Well, I take two pieces of toast and one cup of tea. That's all." [Laughter.] And for this purpose you are so busy?

 

Or, he is busy all day simply so that in the evening he can look at his account books and say, "Oh, the balance had been one thousand dollars--now it has become two thousand." That is his satisfaction. But still he will have the same two pieces of bread and one cup of tea, even though he has increased his balance from one thousand to two thousand. And still he'll work hard. This is why karmIs are called mUDhas. They work like asses, without any real aim of life.

 

But Vedic civilization is different. The accusation implied in the question is not correct. In the Vedic system, people are not lazy. They are very busy working for a higher purpose. And that busy-ness is so important that PrahlAda MahArAja says, kaumAra Acaret prAjJo: [sB 7.6.1] "Beginning from childhood, one should work for self-realization." One should not lose a second's time. So that is Vedic civilization.

 

Of course, the materialistic workers--they see, "These men are not working like us, like dogs and asses. So they are escaping."

 

Yes, escaping your fruitless endeavor.

 

The Vedic civilization of self-realization begins from the varNAzrama system of social organization. VarnAzramAcAravatA puruSeNa paraH pumAn viSNur ArAdhyate: "Everyone should offer up the fruits of his occupational duty to the lotus feet of the Lord ViSNu , or KRSNa." That is why the Vedic system is called varNAzrama--literally, "social organization with a spiritual perspective."

 

The varNAzrama system has four social and four spiritual divisions. the social divisions are the brAhmaNas [teachers and priests], kSatriyas [administrators and military men], vaizyas [farmers and merchants], and zUdras [laborers and craftsmen], while the spiritual divisions are the brahmacArIs [students], gRhasthas [householders], vAnaprasthas [retirees], and sannyAsIs [renunciants]. But the ultimate goal is viSNur ArAdhyate--the worship of the Supreme Lord, ViSNu , by all. That is the idea.

 

But the members of the modern so-called civilization do not know of varNAzrama. Therefore they have created a society that is simply a dog's race. The dog is running on four legs, and thay are running on four wheels. That's all. And they think the four-wheel race is advancement of civilization.

 

Vedic civilization is different. As NArada Muni says, tasyaiva hetoH prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatAm upary adhaH: the learned, astute person will use this life to gain what he has missed in countless prior lives--namely, realization of self and realization of God. Someone may ask, "Then shall we do nothing?" Yes do nothing simply to improve your material position. Whatever material happiness is allotted for you by destiny, you'll get it wherever you are. Take to KRSNa consciousness. You'll get these other things besides.

 

"How shall I get them?"

 

How? KAlena sarvatra gabhIra-raMhasA: by the arrangement of eternal time, everything will come about in due course. The example is given that even though you do not want distress, still distress comes upon you. Similarly, even if you do not work hard for the happiness that is destined to be yours, still it will come.

 

Similarly, PrahlAda MahArAja says, na tat-prayAsaH kartavyam: you should not waste your energy for material happiness, because you cannot get more than what you are destined to ha That is not possible. "How can I believe it--that by working harder I will not get more material happiness than I would otherwise have had?"

 

Because you are undergoing so many distressing conditions even though you do not want them. Who wants distress? For example, in our country, Mahatma Gandhi was killed by his own countrymen. He was a great man, he was protected by so many followers, he was beloved by all--and still he was killed. Destiny. Who can protect you from all these distressing conditions?

 

"So," you should conclude, "if these distressing conditions come upon me by force, the other kind of condition, the opposite number, will also come. Therefore why shall I waste my time trying to avoid distress and gain so-called happiness? Let me utilize my energy for KRSNa consciousness." That is intelligence. You cannot check your destiny. The magazine's question touches on this point.</blockquote>

gHari

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YHWH: "do all these DEITIES make YOU, THE ALMIGHTY BRAHMAN look FAT?"

 

BRAHMAN: NOPE. It certainly makes YOU look dumb and "invisible".

 

LOL:)

 

"An invisible man married an invisble woman. The kids were nothing to look at either"...E.T.Thompson.

 

There is no one single way to reach BRAHMAN for sure. That is what our HIndu scriptures say. BRAHMAN is both visible and invisible.

 

 

[vanamali]

Bhaja Govindam Bhaja Govindam Govindam Bhaja Mudhamate /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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There is no one single way to reach BRAHMAN for sure. That is what our HIndu scriptures say. BRAHMAN is both visible and invisible.

 

 

i choose the "visible" one... sri krsna bhagavan