kailasa Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 - How to conceal atheism or " love to people " - Whether the head without a body can live? - Social program ISKCON - "amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa " - one can understand the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he can become guru. - Why communities are not effective? - Real community - free-of-charge houses for each new family - " If one is adamant to drink wine, then there is Candi-puja, Durga-puja. That means restriction. " The offer of the new law for ISKCON - It is necessary expel from ISKCON everyone, depriving with all ranks who wants to change Shrila Prabhupada's books and Prabhupada's opinion on women, " the moon is farther than the sun " or to any other questions. -- We many times heard that " watering a root of a tree ". And now on mine it is absolutely not popular. Nobody trusts in it now. Thus we not looking on the instruction sastra, all of us equally want to water leaves, instead of a root. The whole religion - christianity, has been destroyed by such "humanism". Having put "philantrophy" is higher than the first precept "love for God", the christianity degraded. And this fact can be seen everywhere. People have ceased to follow the first precept and so they have ceased to follow and to all other precepts. Covering this atheism the false statement about " love to people ". How service to the God and the blessing of people is connected? What would people receive the blessing it is necessary in fact simply the God cares of people, and here? But look - not following instructions of the Lord and following false humanism, all now receive fruits of such philosophy. Because ONLY the GOD can answer general love. Because only the God can support all. Only the God can answer all and individually to everyone. It only in His opportunity. Only the God can grant all desires. And not anybody another! Only the God has so much much, that it will satisfy anyone. Therefore only worshipping the Lord, the person can be happy. Even in a material life having left service to the God, all collapses. Therefore Krishna, for the sake of that what to explain the supreme morals, has told Bhagavad gita on a battlefield. So He has specified a difference between a material life and a spiritual life. And as for this reason Shrila Prabhupada does references basically only on Bhagavad gita. Because we are constantly inclined to operate in the material concept, naming her it is possible on miscellaneous. Whom do we want to love? How we want to give the blessing to anothers? We want to give anothers the blessing having given whom that material or sincere well-being? We want to give the blessing to anothers having borrowed them in gradual process of devoted service? Yes, I too so think. Krishna is essence of all and soul of all souls. Krishna is The one who is dear to everyone to the greatest degree, but we have forgotten it. When the person knows that that about the God her unique desire, it to give anothers to understand and feel this spiritual attachment. Sadhu go on set of compromises for the sake of it. They are ready to endow themselves. They are ready to go on the crucifixion, only for the sake of that what to give spiritual knowledge to anothers. There are two concepts of the sermon, - A way sakama fidelities (with material desires) - A way niskama fidelities (denying of a material life) Sakama fidelity is a mix bhakti yogas with gyana, dhyana, with material attachments and so on. Standard sakama fidelity it as varnasrama. Bhaktivinoda Thakur writes that the successful soul receives the blessing of devoted service with an insignificant impurity of material activity. Essence that when the person is adhered to maya to her give a little maya, but together with devoted service. Thus the soul is happy such special favour of the Lord. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Therefore sakama fidelity so is popular for us and in a material world. Dharma - religious ritual for the sake of artha, kama and moksa. A unhappy life for the sake of itself (and live for the sake of itself, nobody can be happy) and a full hope on clearing ( moksa ) thus. Too the christianity actually completely preaches only one clearing (rescue) as a result of following such concept. Though it is obvious that essence of christianity is not moksa. The way niskama fidelities is faster way and a straight line. Certainly it is possible to explain on miscellaneous "niskama", but by and large all "niskama" is explained in Bhagavad Gita. ... We can have different qualities. Brahmans have brahmanical qualities for example. From surplus of piety, brahmans possess many high qualities. Nevertheless activity in KC surpasses even brahmanism. Problems ISKCON that now ISKCON it only a head without a body. The head this most important certainly, but without hands, legs and a stomach, a head suffers. The head thinks, thinks, thinks... What to her to make? There can be that!? And there can be another? But essence that that to a head the body is necessary. Certainly, the transcendental head can exist and in itself preaching. The head can preach as much as necessary. The head can create set of other preaching heads. But if the head suddenly will decide to increase the sermon. If the head will decide to operate with mercier image. If the head will see GENERAL aspiration to great sakama fidelities. That... In this case... It is necessary to add also a body (varnasram) to a head. The we shall faster attach a body to a head, the problems of many sort will be faster solved. Because without a body, how many the head would not think, to sense in activity will not be. In only spiritual activity, the sermon, problems will not be. But IN ALL MIXED ACTIVITY there will be many problems. The head in itself how many she thought, never will solve those problems, for which responsibly a body. Therefore that we wanted to reach great in our transcendental expansion it is necessary varnasram for this purpose. We would like to establish laws on protection of a marriage, protection of children, or protection of all world, is necessary varnasram. Certainly, by and large we are indifferent to varnasram and to such designations. Probably. Here essence such, that we should or build varnasram and there to cultivate brahmanism and all other social life. ---------------------------- And if we do not want to build varnasram or to LIVE IN HER what sense to speak about material aid and social protection? ---------------------------- If we know that varnasram this decision of many problems I do not understand that constrains us in her construction? If varnasram it is a material category and there is no sense about it worries, what for then to worry and about a social life in the sermon? Whether is it is top of madness, to try to provide the social device, not having in general any social basis? We try to solve many material problems and many relations there where they cannot be solved. -------------- Thus ISKCON also jams somewhat. -------------- The first - ISKCON preaches, there come people. The second - then people demand that that, or anyhow they require. And ISKCON as "restrained" vaisnava tries to solve these problems (in fact if we preach it is necessary in fact cares). And further solving many problems, they are not solved for the resulted reasons, or on the fact they are not solved. Because problems should be solved only in a community. Because people working in maya and not preaching everyone will leave. Either people will leave, or the sermon will materialize (in false service to people). In the first It already occurs and there is not one year. In the second Prabhupada's this instruction to do varnasram. ... ISKCON has passed the period when he so lost much as has deviated as a result of sermon Gaudiya math. Shrila Prabhupada has been compelled to appoint the guru because in the other case all ISKCON would be destroyed. It would be destroyed with the help of crowning of whom on a post "acarya". It could be ISKCON "acarya", or outside of ISKCON "acarya". Therefore Shrila Prabhupada has appointed their guru. And others also it was not simple. Not so only in ISKCON was not, in general it there were the best devotees both in ISKCON and outside of ISKCON. But Shrila Prabhupada as DID NOT APPOINT their guru - "They must be all ideal acarya-like. In the beginning we have done for working. Now we should be very cautious. Anyone who is deviating, he can be replaced." Therefore Shrila Prabhupada has appointed them and has not appointed simultaneously - acintya bheda abheda. If who was that more mature either in ISKCON or outside of ISKCON Shrila Prabhupada would not began to appoint anybody. Lord Caitanya has appointed all already as the guru- " amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa " TRANSLATION " Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Sri Krsna as they are given in the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land. " Shrila Prabhupada has told they too most - "amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa". Including Shrila Prabhupada has told it because wanted to be confident that ISKCON will not depart to anybody in single management. As it would be the spiritual end. Shrila Prabhupada spoke this phrase " amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa " many times to all devotee - "We simply repeat. That is our business. We are not learned scholars. But our mission is to repeat the words of Krsna. That is Caitanya Mahaprabhu's order. He says, amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa: " You become guru. Now, how shall I become guru? I am neither learned nor Vedantist, neither sannyase. How can I become guru? No, no, you have no difficulty. You, on My order, become guru simply... " Yare dekha tare kaha krsna-upadesa. Bas. " You become guru. Whomever you meet, you simply try to convince him what Krsna has spoken. Then you become guru. " So we request everyone the same thing." Therefore words - "amara ajnaya guru hana tara ' ei desa" which were made him by Shrila Prabhupada, these words concern to everyone. Simply He would appoint them what to keep thus mission from encroachments and has given the everything else to hands GBC - "Prabhupada: And Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, amara ajnaya guru hana. One can understand the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he can become guru. Or one who understands his guru's order, the same parampara, he can become guru. And therefore I shall select some of you. (hums) Satsvarupa: That's all the questions. Prabhupada: So there is no question of changing GBC." Later, there was a deviation in philosophy in ISKCON. By the end 90 years, 50 % ISKCON have deviated. Visnupad last who anyhow meaningly resisted to this was. And Visnupad the first who has called in question incorrect advice from senyor Gaudja Matha was. All there is a document. After has left Visnupad, Shrila Prabhupada has come Itself and has put all back. Everyone who knew Shrila Prabhupada at His life, have found out Him because so Prabhupada can operate only.... If we speak about sakama fidelities, standard, the best, the MOST MASS type of the sermon and favour it varnasrama. Certainly creation of a community in city it as is good, it somewhat preparation to great sacred "ascet" to live in a community. Is still a pair of reflections about a life in a community. Alacua. Observers write, that it is the most successful western community because she is not connected with GBC. Whether probably to make so that that it has been made officially and at the same time it is good? /images/graemlins/smile.gif) Lyrical digression. Everyone who will endow on a temple in Moscow will receive the blessing as though they distributed daily on 300000 cows in current 3х billions years. If we (you), during only 5 years, shall endow percent from the salary on a temple then in the worst case we shall go to paradise. There in paradise there is everything, on all tastes so think. Thus we should try to construct a temple in Moscow. I know, that Shrila Prabhupada has blessed Bhaktivigyana Gosvami to build this temple. It is difficult for us to come nearer to Shrila Prabhupada directly because Shrila Prabhupada is great and consequently that to us, without qualification, it will be very difficult to remain in Shrila Prabhupada's society. But serving Bhaktivigyana Maharaja and all our guru and GBC thus we also are in parampara. ... About community ( continuation ) Certainly to construct a community it not such simple business. Nevertheless my opinion on this theme - All houses should be a private property without restrictions of term - All cows should be in a private property at interested persons - All who become not devotees in this or that form, can continue to live in a community, respecting devotees and religion - All who is not devotee completely, can as to arrive and live in a community - Visiting a temple of a community, aratis, programs and so forth, business voluntary, but not administrative - But all inhabitants of a community should support anyhow brahmans a temple, brahmacaris, gurucula and so forth. It can be stipulated. Each inhabitant of a community should have some service that at least will make constant fund of a community. At least brahmans a temple and brahmacaris will not be to require anything and can though on 24 hours per day to act a spiritual level - In a temple there should be a temple schedule - In community ISKCON can preach only devotees ISKCON or those who not in ISKCON, but follow in the steps Shrila Prabhupada ( not rasics ) - Houses in the property devotees can or be on sale (without the big margins) or the person can fulfil the house on construction, simply helping to construct two - three houses still. - Activity of a community is adjusted by council of a community. - GBC is responsible for temple standards The community undertakes - To help all arrived devotees in their arrangement - To develop an agriculture, gurucula and ALL SOCIAL program - To give care and a shelter - to children, women, cows, brahmans and to older persons The community CAN - To give cheap or free-of-charge or in credit\ working off the house to each new family - To take care thus about brahmacari which want to marry - Or will take care about brahmacari, brahmans which many years distributed books and want to live as vanaprastha - The community should be such, that anyone there could move devotee, including poorly provided with money - The community should be that place which can accept all persons - Usual grihastha can contain the cow and selling milk or oil to a community, to receive money. That is the standard can be those, that having the cow or two cows, you are provided Now communities are not effective because - Frequently they on structure are too centralized - Communities live in themselves not having sufficient connection with center KC and support, or center KC gives incorrect manuals - There try to enter these or those artificial standards Shrila Prabhupada as I has read, at all does not demand from a community of many standards, for example 4х principles - "Hridayanada: So in our varnasrama college the students that come to our college, they follow the four principles... They follow... Prabhupada: Four principles essential. Essential. But only the sudras or the ksatriyas... Just like ksatriyas, they have to learn how to kill. So practically, they should go to the forest and kill some animal. And if he likes, he can eat also. If he likes, he can eat also. Hridayanada: What he kills. Prabhupada: Yes. But not from the slaughterhouse. Those who are ksatriyas, they can, they're allowed sometimes to eat meat. It is understood Bhima, Bhima also eating sometimes meat. Bhima. Amongst the Pandavas, only Bhima. Not others. So if the ksatriyas, they want to eat meat, they can be allowed on particular occasions. But they must go to the forest and kill the animal. Not that for meat-eating regular slaughterhouses should be maintained. This is all nonsense, degradation. If you want to eat meat, you go to the forest. And the sudras, they also sometimes eat meat. Or the candalas. Hridayanada: But never the cow. Prabhupada: No. Cow... The sudras, they can take a goat and sacrifice before the deity, goddess Kali, and then eat. Nobody should be given unrestricted freedom to eat meat. Or wine. If one is adamant to drink wine, then there is Candi-puja, Durga-puja. That means restriction. That means restriction. Under certain condition. Similarly, sex life-marriage. That is also sex life, but under condition. Satsvarupa: Srila Prabhupada, is this school for women also, or just for men? Prabhupada: For men. Women should automatically learn how to cook, how to cleanse home. Satsvarupa: So they do not attend varnasrama college. Prabhupada: No, no. varnasrama college especially meant for the brahmana, ksatriya and vaisya. Those who are not fit for education, they are sudras. That's all. Or those who are reluctant to take education-sudra means. That's all. They should assist the higher class. Hridayanada: Would the brahmaans learn Sanskrit? Prabhupada: Eh? Not necessarily." ------------ The community should be that place where EVERYONE can live. ------------ Thanks. *If women preach, in this case they brahmans and can have what that education. If women do not preach and live in a community in this case the big education for them is not necessary. The woman is successful if she is married and serves the husband. Or the woman is successful if she serves the guru. 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