krsna Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 That is Krsna Consciousness for the faith-less person. How can a faith-less person think of Sri Krsna as the Topmost person when knowledge of His supremacy is non-existant. Hw can a faith-less person speak about Krsna if he thinks Him to be a mere myth. How can a faith-less person perform devotional service unto Sri Krsna when He is seem as lifless and impersonal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayaisvara Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 In CC Adi 8.32, it is said: "It should be noted in this connection that the holy names of Lord Krsna and Gaurasundara are both identical with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore one should not consider one name to be more potent than the other. Considering the position of the people of this age, however, the chanting of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's name is more essential than the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the most magnanimous incarnation and His mercy is very easily achieved. Therefore one must first take shelter of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu by chanting sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu-nityananda sri-advaita gadadhara srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. By serving Gaura-Nityananda one is freed from the entanglements of material existence and thus becomes qualified to worship the Radha-Krsna Deity." I therefore beg to ask whether this means that chanting Hare Krsna Maha Mantra is not for neophytes who have little or no faith, whereareas chanting Sri Nityananda and Sri Gauranga's holy names will benefit one who is faithless so by their mercy, one can become qualified to chant the mahamantra, and thus develop faith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted October 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 THE PANCHA TATTVA MANTRA Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is always accompanied by His plenary expansion Sri Nityananda Prabhu, His incarnation Sri Advaita Prabhu, His internal potency Sri Gadadhara Prabhu, and His marginal potency Srivasa Prabhu. He is in the midst of them as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One should know that Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is always accompanied by these other tattvas. Therefore our obeisances to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu are complete when we say: (jaya) shri-krishna-chaitanya prabhu nityananda shri-advaita gadadhara shrivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. As preachers of the Krsna consciousness movement, we first offer our obeisances to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu by chanting this Panca-tattva mantra; then we say Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. There are ten offenses in the chanting of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, but these are not considered in the chanting of the Panca-tattva mantra, namely sri-krsna-caitanya prabhu nityananda sri-advaita gadadhara srivasadi-gaura-bhakta-vrnda. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is known as maha-vadanyavatara, the most magnanimous incarnation, for He does not consider the offenses of the fallen souls. Thus to derive the full benefit of the chanting of the maha-mantra (Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare), we must first take shelter of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, learn the Panca-tattva mantra, and then chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra. That will be very effective. (Purport by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted October 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur has sung in one of his kirtans (Kalyana-kalpa-taru) as follows: mukhe bolo prem prem bastuta tyajiya hem shunya granthi anchale bandhan "We are repeatedly speaking and preaching about Divine Love to others, but actually we are far from it. We have lost this diamond by our present activity. Now we have nothing, an absolutely empty pot in the name of full divine pot." At another place in same kirtan, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur wrote as follows: akaitaba krishna prem jena suvimala hem ei phal nriloke durlabh kaitabe vanchana matra hou age jogya patra tabe prem haibe sulabh "Divine Love is like a rare piece of bright gold or diamond. When we are absolutely free from hypocritical activities and surrender absolutely to His service, then we will be qualified to get this Divine Love. Actually the diamond of Krishna Prema is very rare on this planet. Rather than taking shelter of hypocrisy to deceive others, we should try to become worthy to receive Divine Love, for though Prema is very rare, it comes very easily to those who have attained eligibility by ridding their hearts of hypocrisy and the desire to deceive others." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I therefore beg to ask whether this means that chanting Hare Krsna Maha Mantra is not for neophytes who have little or no faith, whereareas chanting Sri Nityananda and Sri Gauranga's holy names will benefit one who is faithless so by their mercy, one can become qualified to chant the mahamantra, and thus develop faith? Read the Purport again, what is Prabhupada trying to make you see. Look for the word 'Therefore' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayaisvara Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 There is no difference between the two, but Sri Sri Guru-Gauranga are more merciful. The panca tattva mantra is sung before the Hare Krsna Maha Mantra 3 times, is it not? Then, what shall i sing about Gauranga and Nityananda Prabhus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 I posted 100 names of Lord Gaurange that should be ok. Krishna Section, I call it the 'no go zone' cause hardly anybody posts. I don't know about 3 times, unless you do 3 times then all the rounds, or 1 time and 1 round etc Like if you did 64 rounds a day and has to say 64 times Pancha-tattva mantra and 64 times Guru Mantra, then I think you would do 12 Pancha-tattva mantras. /images/graemlins/confused.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayaisvara Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 krsna and Pankaja_Dasa, I shall recite these names daily. What about Nityanandha Prabhu's names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 <center>---------- <font color="red">nitäi-gauräìga, nitäi-gauräìga jayaçacénandana, gaura-hari </font> All glories to Lord Nityananda and Lord Caitanya, the son of Saci-devi, who is Krsna Himself in golden hue. <font color="blue">ÇRÉ-NITYÄNANDÄÑÖAKA</font> "Eight Prayers Glorifying Lord Nityänanda" by Çréla Våndävana däsa Öhäkura Translated by Kuçakratha däsa TEXT 1 sarac-candra-bhräntià sphurad-amala-käntià gaja-gatià hari-premonmattaà dhåta-parama-sattvaà smita-mukham sadäghürëan-netraà kara-kalita-vetraà kali-bhidaà bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi sarat-autumn; candra-the moon; bhräntim-appearance; sphurat-shining; amala-pure; käntim-splendid beauty; gaja-gatim-graceful gait of an elephant; hari-for Lord Hari; prema-by pure love; unmattam-maddened; dhåta-carries (i.e., is); parama-Supreme; sattvam-Truth; smita-smiling; mukham-face; sadä-always; ghürëat-rolling; netram-eyes; kara-in His hand; kalita-placed; vetram-cowherd-boy's stick; kali-Kali-yuga; bhidam-dispersing; bhaje-I worship; nityänandam-Lord Nityänanda; bhajana-of devotional service; taru-of the tree; kandam-the root; niravadhi-limitless. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. As He walks with the grace of a majestic elephant, His pure, splendid beauty shines like the full autumn moon. Though He Himself is the Absolute Truth, He is maddened with pure love for Lord Hari. He smiles as He rolls His eyes in apparent intoxication, He carries a stick in His hand [in the mood of a cowherd boy], and He breaks the power of the Age of Kali. TEXT 2 rasänäm ägäraà svajana-gaëa-sarvasvam atulaà tadéyaika-präëa-pramita-vasudhä-jähnava-patim sadä-premonmädaà param aviditaà manda-manasäm bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi rasänäm-of the mellows of devotional service; ägäraà-abode; svajana-of His devotees; gaëa-of the multitude; sarvasvam-the be-all and end-all; atulam-without compare; tadéya-His own; eka-only; präëa-life breath; pramita-measured; vasudhä-Vasudhä; jähnava-Jähnava; patim-Lord; sadä-always; prema-by pure love of Godhead;; unmädam-maddened; param-the the Supreme Lord; aviditam-not known; manda-manasäm-by the dim-witted. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He is the abode of the mellows of devotional service, and no one can be compared to Him. He is the be-all and end-all for His devotees, and the husband of Vasudhä and Jähnava, to whom He is more dear than life itself. Because He is always maddened with pure love for Kåñëa, the foolish nondevotees cannot understand that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. TEXT 3 çacé-sünu-preñöhaà nikhila-jagad-iñöaà sukha-mayaà kalau majjaj-jivoddharaëa-karaëoddäma-karuëam harer äkhyänäd vä bhava-jaladhi-garvonnati-haraà bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi çacé-of Çacé-devé; sünu-to the son (Lord Caitanya); preñöham-most dear; nikhila-entire; jagat-by the universe; iñöam-worshiped; sukha-mayam-happyy; kalau-in the Kali-yuga; majjat-immersed; jéva-conditioned souls; uddharaëa-rescue; karaëa-cause; uddäma-great; karuëam-mercy; hareù-of Lord Hari; äkhyänät-by chantng the holy name; vä-or; bhava-of material existence; jaladhi-of the ocean; garva-of the pride; unnati-increase; haram-removing. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He is very dear to the son of Çacé-devé and is worshiped by the entire universe. Out of His great mercy He chants the holy name of Lord Hari, thus rescuing the souls drowning in the age of Kali and crushing the pride of the ocean of repeated birth and death. TEXT 4 aye bhrätar néëäà kali-kaluñiëäà kià nu bhavitä tathä präyaçcittaà racaya yad-anäyäsata ime vrajanti tväm itthaà saha bhagavatä mantrayati yo bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi aye-O; bhrätaù-brother; néëäm-of the people; kali-of the Kali-yuga; kaluñiëäm-full of the sins; kim nu-how much more?; bhavitä-will be; tathä-in that way; präyaçcittam-atonement; racaya-please make; yat-because; anäyäsataù-with ease; ime-these; vrajanti-go; tväm-to you; ittham-in this way; saha-with; bhagavatä-the Lord; mantrayati-consults; yaù-who. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He said to Lord Caitanya, "O brother, the people are all becoming infected by the sins of Kali-yuga. How will they atone for these sins? Please give them a way to easily approach You." TEXT 5 yatheñöhaà re bhrätaù kuru hari-hari-dhvänam aniçaà tato vaù saàsärämbudhi-taraëa-däyo mayi laget idaà bähu-sphoöair aöati raöayan yaù pratigåham bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi yathä-iñöam-if you wish; re-O; bhrätaù-brother; kuru-please perform; hari-hari-Hari Hari; dhvänam-sound; aniçam-constantly; tataù-therefore; vaù-of you; saàsära-of material existence; ambudhi-of the ocean; taraëa-the crossing; däyaù-gift; mayi-to me; laget-may be; idam-this; bähu-of the arms; sphoöaiù-raising; aöati-walks; raöayan-shouting; yaù-who; prati-gåham-to every house. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He went to each house in Bengal and, raising His arms, said, " O brother, if you will, please constantly chant athe holy name of Lord Hari. If you do this, you will become free from the ocean of repeated a death. Please give Me this gift of your liberation." TEXT 6 balät saàsärämbhonidhi-harana-kumbhodbhavam aho satäà çreyaù-sindhünnati-kumuda-bandhuà samuditaà khala-çreëé-sphürjit-timira-hara-sürya-prabham ahaà bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi balät-violently; saàsära-of material existence; ambhonidhi-of the ocean; harana-removing; kumbha-udbhavam-Agastya Muni (who was born from a pot); aho-O; satäm-of the saintly devotees; çreyaù-of the good fortune; sindhu-the ocean; unnati-expanding; kumuda-of the lotus; bandhum-the friend (the moon); samuditam-rising; khala-of the demons; çreëé-of the multitude; sphürjit-manifested; timira-darkness; hara-removal; sürya-sun; prabham-splendor; aham-I. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He is the Agastya Muni who forcibly swallows the ocean of repated death. He is a rising full moon (friend of the night-blooming lotus) who expands the ocean of the saintly devotees' good fortune. He is the blazing sun who extinguishes the darkness of the community of demons. TEXT 7 naöantaà gäyantaà harim anuvadantaà pathi pathi vrajantaà paçyantaà svam api na dayantaà jana-gaëam prakurvantaà santaà sa-karuëa-dåg-antaà prakalanäd bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi naöantam-dancing; gäyantam-singing; harim-Hari; anuvadantam-saying; pathi pathi-in every road; vrajantam-going; paçyantam-seeing; svam api-own relative; na-not; dayantam-sympathizing; jana-of the people; gaëam-multitude; prakurvantam-doing; santam-the saintly devotees; sa-with; karuëa-mercy; dåk-of the eyes; antam-corner; prakalanät-slightly. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He traveled on every path, dancing, singing the names of Lord Hari, and describing His glories. Without considering His own interests, He was merciful to the people, and He cast upon them His merciful sidelong glance. TEXT 8 su-bibhräëaà bhrätuù kara-sarasijaà komalataraà mitho vakträlokocchalita-paramänanda-hådayam bhramantaà mädhuryair ahaha madayantaà pura-janän bhaje nityänandaà bhajana-taru-kandaà niravadhi su-nicely; bibhränam-holding; bhrätuù-of His brother (Lord Caitanya); kara-hand; sarasijam-lotus; komalataram-very soft and beautiful; mithaù-together; vaktra-face; äloka-by seeing; ucchalita-arisen; parama-transcendental; änanda-bliss; hådayam-heart; bhramantam-wandering; mädhuryaiù-with sweetness; ahaha-O; madayantam-delighting; pura-of the towns; janän-the people. I worship Lord Nityänanda, the limitless root of the tree of devotional service. He fondly grasped His brother Lord Caitanya's soft and beautiful lotus hand, and together they wandered here and there, delighting the townspeople with Their sweet beauty. They both became filled with bliss when They gazed upon each other's lotus faces. TEXT 9 rasänäà ädhäraà rasika-vara-sad-vaiñëava-dhanaà rasägäraà säraà patita-tati-täraà smaraëataù paraà nityänandäñöakam idam apürvaà pathati yaù tad-aìghri-dvandväbjaà sphuratu nitaräà tasya hådaye rasänäm-of the mellows of devotional service; ädhäram-reservoir; rasika-expert at relishing the mellows of devotional service; vara-excellent; sat-pious; vaiñëava-of the devotees of the Lord; dhanam-the wealth; rasa-of the sweet taste of devotional service; ägäram-the abode; säram-the best; patita-of the fallen conditioned souls; tati-of the multitude; täram-the liberation; smaranataù-from remembering; param-transcendental; nityänanda-glorifying Lord Nityänanda; añöakam-eight verses; idam-this; apürvam-unprecendented; paöhati-reads; yaù-who; tat-His (Lord Nityänanda's); aìghri-feet; dvandva-two; abjam-lotus; sphuratu-may be manifested; nitaräm-constantly; tasya-his; hådaye-in the heart. These eight verses glorifying Lord Nityänanda are the abode of the mellows of devotional service, and they are the wealth of the pure devotees expert at relishing those mellows. All the fallen, conditioned souls can get liberation just by remembering them. These verses are very excellent, transcendental, and unprecedented. May the two lotus feet of Lord Nityänanda appear eternally in the hearts of those who read these verses and remember the Lord. </center> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayaisvara Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Thank you very much Pankaja_Dasa /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krsna Posted April 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 "Divine Love is like a rare piece of bright gold or diamond. When we are absolutely free from hypocritical activities and surrender absolutely to His service, then we will be qualified to get this Divine Love. Actually the diamond of Krishna Prema is very rare on this planet. Rather than taking shelter of hypocrisy to deceive others, we should try to become worthy to receive Divine Love, for though Prema is very rare, it comes very easily to those who have attained eligibility by ridding their hearts of hypocrisy and the desire to deceive others." Bhaktivinoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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