Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 Dear Prithu dasa! Isn't it hilarious that people use public forums to address private correspondence? This seems to be the trend in ISKCON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 It is nice to see the coments of the vaisnavas supporting Prithu das ,but unfortunately when you force others into signing a document declaring yourself to have support to being quailified as an ISKCON Guru,then for me that was the day he fell from grace so to speak,I am supprised he lasted this long,this is the result of assuming a position that one is not quailified for,and you will always be found out, Sooner or Latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted November 9, 2004 Report Share Posted November 9, 2004 I agree the fall happens the instant we 'assume'(interesting word) a position we are not qualified for. Does that mean the safest thing then is to assume we are already the most fallen? At least we can't fall any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2004 Report Share Posted November 10, 2004 Yes my dear friend, prabhu, We have no choice but to assume we are the most fallen,Because we are, As Srila Prabhupada has stated in this Prayer when he arrived in America......My dear Lord Krsna, You are so kind upon this useless soul, but I do not know why You have brought me here. Now You can do whatever You like with me. But I guess You have some business here, other-wise why would You bring me to this terrible place? Most of the population here is covered by the material modes of ignorance and passion. Absorbed in material life they think themselves very happy and satisfied and therefore they have no taste for the transcendental message of Vasudeva. I do not know how they will be able to understand it. But I know that Your causeless mercy can make everything possible, because You are the most expert mystic. How will they understand the mellows of devotional service? 0 Lord, I am simply praying for Your mercy so that I will be able to convince them about Your message. All living entities have come under the control of the illusory energy by Your will, and therefore, if You like, by Your will they can also be released from the clutches of illusion. I wish that You may deliver them. Therefore if You so desire their deliverance, then only will they be able to understand Your message.... How will I make them understand this message of Krsna consciousness? I am very unfortunate, unqualified, and the most fallen. Therefore I am seeking Your benediction so that I can convince them, for I am powerless to do so on my own. Somehow or other, 0 Lord, You have brought me here to speak about You. Now, my Lord, it is up to You to make me a success or failure, as You like. 0 spiritual master of all the worlds! I can simply repeat Your message. So if You like You can make my power of speaking suitable for their understanding. Only by Your causeless mercy will my words become pure. I am sure that when this transcendental message penetrates their hearts, they will certainly feel gladdened and thus become liberated from all unhappy conditions of life. 0 Lord, I am just like a puppet in Your hands. So if You have brought me here to dance, then make me dance, make me dance, 0 Lord, make me dance as You like. I have no devotion, nor do I have any knowledge, but I have strong faith in the holy name of Krsna. I have been designated as Bhaktivedanta, and now, if You like, You can fulfill the real purport of Bhaktivedanta. Signed-the most unfortunate, insignificant beggar, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, Onboard the ship Jaladuta, Commonwealth Pier, Boston, Massachusetts, U.S.A. Dated 18th September 1965......I repeat it again...How will I make them understand this message of Krsna consciousness? I am very unfortunate, unqualified, and the most fallen. Therefore I am seeking Your benediction so that I can convince them, for I am powerless to do so on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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