Do Vaishnavas ever pray to Lord Ganesha?

[sant]

 

Prince Goutham,you seem to not know that Sri Sadashiva is also a personality of Godhead.He is indifferent from Sri Vishnu.

 

Tulsidasa states,"One who offends any of these Two Lords(Rama and Shiva) will have to go to hell for billions of years eventhough they might show that they are big devotees of either of them."

 

 

It is a widely known fact that Sri Uma-Mahesvara are the Inspiration behind Rama-caritamanasa.

It was Lord Shiva's idea to manifest this invaluable gem ,the Lake of Lord Ramacandra's pastimes,to the world.

He Himself has appointed the title to the text.

 

Thus,Ramacaritamanasa is the most authoritative text on the position of the Supreme Lord.

So we should accept what it says.

 

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i have a doubt on this

The real nature of Sambhu, the presiding deity of Mahesa-dhama, is described.) Sambhu is not a second Godhead other than Krsna. Those, who entertain such discriminating sentiment, commit a great offense against the Supreme Lord. The supremacy of Sambhu is subservient to that of Govinda; hence they are not really different from each other. The nondistinction is established by the fact that just as milk treated with acid turns into curd so Godhead becomes a subservient when He Himself attains a distinct personality by the addition of a particular element of adulteration. This personality has no independent initiative. The said adulterating principle is constituted of a combination of the stupefying quality of the deluding energy, the quality of nonplenitude of the marginal potency and a slight degree of the ecstatic-cum-cognitive principle of the plenary spiritual potency. This specifically adulterated reflection of the principle of the subjective portion of the Divinity is Sadasiva, in the form of the effulgent masculine-symbol-god Sambhu from whom Rudradeva is manifested. In the work of mundane creation as the material cause, in the work of preservation by the destruction of sundry asuras and in the work of destruction to conduct the whole operation, Govinda manifests Himself as guna-avatara in the form of Sambhu who is the separated portion of Govinda imbued with the principle of His subjective plenary portion. The personality of the destructive principle in the form of time has been identified with that of Sambhu by scriptural evidences that have been adduced in the commentary. The purport of the Bhagavata slokas, viz., vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh, etc., is that Sambhu, in pursuance of the will of Govinda, works in union with his consort Durgadevi by his own time energy. He teaches pious duties (dharma) as stepping-stones to the attainment of spiritual service in the various tantra-sastras, etc., suitable for jivas in different grades of the conditional existence. In obedience to the will of Govinda, Sambhu maintains and fosters the religion of pure devotion by preaching the cult of illusionism (Mayavada) and the speculative agama-sastras. The fifty attributes of individual souls are manifest in a far vaster measure in Sambhu and five additional attributes not attainable by jivas are also partly found in him. So Sambhu cannot be called a jiva. He is the lord of jiva but yet partakes of the nature of a separated portion of Govinda.

[sant]

paramshiva or sadashiva is the sameas supreme brahman

the supreme brahman is formless attributess

[ranjeetmore]

NO !

 

The Supreme Brahm IS BOTH WITH FORMS AND WITHOUT FORM.

 

The Personalities of Godhead in Vaikuntha/Paravyoma(as backed by the vedas) have the Nirguna Brahm situated in Them.

This is the reason why sometimes Sadashiva(Who is Visnu tattva) is identified as Brahm.

 

The Brahm who is attributeless,nirguna,niraakar is a FORM/Aspect of Sri KRsna.

However,this Nirguna Brahm is also said to be situated in the Forms-Sriman Narayana,Sadashiva and Durga.

In turn,these Eternal Forms Themselves are situated in Sri KRsna.So Sri KRsna is understood to be the basis of all,Supremely Independent.

 

Your question : Brahm is said to be nirguna can be addressed as:

 

The Upanishads state,"Dve vava Brahmano Rupe Murtancaiva Amurtanca."

 

Brahm is Simulataneously Formless and with an Eternal Form.

 

So parabrahm can be identifiesd as Sri Krsna as well as the Formless worshippable entity of the Jnyanis.

 

This is the work of Svarupa Sakti of Bhagavan.Formless as well as the Most attractive form which chokes Sadashiva with Love and Madness.

[sant]

i suppose brahman and parbrahman are to be to different specially by vaishnavs.

brahman can be referred to the living entities while par brahman to krishna

these terms can also be used as synomynousli.

 

 

However,this Nirguna Brahm is also said to be situated in the Forms-Sriman Narayana,Sadashiva and Durga.

 

the brahman is present in us also

the atma itself is brahman.

 

This is the reason why sometimes Sadashiva(Who is Visnu tattva) is identified as Brahm.

 

 

 

is there a difference between shiva and sadashiva

 

vishnu tatwa

i thought everything comes down to one tatwa

[sant]

most shaivaites are nirakaar and identify sadshiv/paramshiva/brahman as same as rudra and self

[ranjeetmore]

No,The ATMA is NOT Brahm.

 

The Svetasvatara Upanishad CLEARLY states that Jeevatma is an energy/amsa of Brahm

 

So also the Vedanta States,"Na anuh Atah shruteh Hriteken nah"

Vedavyas clarifies the confusion in the above sutra: The atma is sometimes stated as "Infinite and Supreme" in the vedas but this 'atma' refers to paramatma.Jeevatma is Anu-Atomic.

 

In the same Vedanta,Srila Vedavyasa states that the Jeevatma ALWAYS maintains it's atomic nature and Is NEVER blown to infinte proportions EVEN AFTER MOKSA/MUKTI/LIBERATION.He made 10 sutras regarding the atomic nature of Jeevatma.So Jeevatma IS NEVER BRAHM.

[ranjeetmore]

Since the theory,"Siva is jiva" is clearly rejected by the Vedanta,it is to be refused and discarded.

[ranjeetmore]

Lord Shiva is situated in a position between the Jeeva and Brahm.

 

However the vedas state that there are only THREE tattvas: Brahm,Jeeva and Maya.

 

Since Shiva is neither Maya NOR Jeeva,He is sometimes referred to as Supreme Lord.

 

However,the Sadashiva of Vaikuntha is Visnu tattva(Personality of Godhead.)

[sant]

For adwaits dvait is just a step towards final advait.where there is no difference

[sant]

Can you explain sadashiv of vaikunth.the brahm samhita clearly states that his abode is mahesh dham

[thehat]

 

Can you explain sadashiv of vaikunth.the brahm samhita clearly states that his abode is mahesh dham

 

Well I don't know too much. But I do know He's white and has four arms. I think he is an expansion of Baladev. He is the original Shiva. He has his loka, I can't remember the name of it, but if Brahma Samhita says that is mahesh dham then you should accept that.

[ranjeetmore]

Sadashiva of Paravyoma is described in the Vayu Purana.

[ranjeetmore]

 

For adwaits dvait is just a step towards final advait.where there is no difference

 

 

How can you say this after knowing what Vedanta,the summary of the Vedas,states ??

 

 

Anyways,

 

Even Advaita...Jnyanis..they need the Mercy of God.

 

Look at Ramakrishna,the Datta sampradaya...Gulawani maharaja...Kabeer,the celebrated jnyani..everyone of these cried for the mercy of God.

 

You CANNOT attain even brahmjnyana without the mercy of Sri Krsna.

[sant]

the brahman is one and we r that arent we otherwise what is the point of saying shivohum .

[sant]

 

How can you say this after knowing what Vedanta,the summary of the Vedas,states ??

 

 

Anyways,

 

Even Advaita...Jnyanis..they need the Mercy of God.

 

Look at Ramakrishna,the Datta sampradaya...Gulawani maharaja...Kabeer,the celebrated jnyani..everyone of these cried for the mercy of God.

 

You CANNOT attain even brahmjnyana without the mercy of Sri Krsna.

 

ok the mercy is of sri krisna is there.

so but what about

 

Ayam Atma Brahma ,

aham brahmasmi

can you reject that

no you cannot totally reject advait can you.

can you give your intepretation of these two

[ranjeetmore]

The vedas state that there is ONLY one Tattva : Brahm.

 

The same vedas state that there are Three Tattvas: Brahm,Jeeva and Maya.

Both are correct ?

 

How?

 

The veda states that Jeevatma and Maya are the two saktis of BRahm.

 

"Today the sun is so hot.".

 

We actually mean that the rays of the Sun are very hot(more intense) today.

The rays cannot be seperated from the sun,for without the sun,they cannot exist.However,the rays can NEVER act as the sun.

Similarly,to cover this point,the Veda states that ther is only one tattva : Brahm.

What about the Jeevatma and Maya ?

Pooh ! they are Brahm's mere energies.When we (vedas) address Him(Brahm),we mean He and His infinitude of Energies.

According to the context,the need never arose to identify Jeevatma and Maya.Brahm means He and His energies.

By observation it is concluded that maya is not Brahm.Why,you might ask ?

The vedas state that brahm is ananda/rasa.So maya cannot be brahm,since it is Not ananda/rasa.In maya,we only get dukha.

 

In the same way Jeevatma is not brahm.Again you may ask why ?

The vedanta states,"Jagadvyapar varrjam."

 

Bhagavan and Bhagavan ALONE is responsible for the creation,maintainence and destruction of the sum total of creation.Even after liberation,the Jeevatma cannot perform these tasks.It is my challenge to the muktas to even create one single universe,enter it and then withdraw it.

It is not possible.

Varuna deva tells his son,Bhragu rsi,"Brahm is One from Whom the material creation is created,maintained and then destroyed."

So all the veda richas(Aham Brahmasmi,Ta tvam asi,etc.) signifying the Jeevatma;s apparent indifference with Sri Krsna is merely to signify the indifference of Energy with Brahm.

[sant]

Wonderful thanks

[pranay2]

Praying to Ganesha at the beginning removes obstacles and ensures success.

[Guest Sanatana Darma]

 

Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaaaa When Lord Brahma passes away Ho ho Hoo wait a minute i need to control laughing hmm ya ufff

 

Brother are you alien to Indian Scriptures who is teaching you all this Bed time stories My boy or are you Imagining fairy tales

 

All these gods are immortals they have No Deaths What you said merging back into MAhaVisnu's Breathing.all these stories will impress vashivas But nothing can stand the Supreme presence of Maha dev

 

Whom Maha Vishnu prayed to Dev Adi Dev MahaDev Lord Shiva and was Blessed with Sudarshana Chakra which Lord Shiva gave Him Seeing His Devotion

 

Or Lord Rama,Krishna Prayed and pleased him on Earth so you don't have any Proof or in any visible event of Lord Shiva Worshipping all these earthly gods

 

Only in Vishnu Purana your people have self written those scripts Open your Eyes surrender to Maha dev or continue worshipping Lord Vishnu its not loss of any body but the Truth is here to Stay

 

Har Har Maha Dev

 

 

 

Let me clarify this commotion and abuses. First things first classifications were made not for us humans to fight among us as to who is superior. It is to have a firm rooted thought that the deity we believe is the ultimate goal in this lifetime. Although many rituals begin with a worship to ganesha they all culminate in "kaye navacha manasendriyairva budhyathmanava prakrute swabhavat karomi yat tat sakalam parasmai sriman narayanethi samarpayami". If u even understand a dot of this sentence it means I offer all that i did at the lotus feet of sriman narayana. Not only that if you go to tiruvananthapuram padmanabha swamy temple you see see that shivalingam in posited underneath lord padmanabhas hand showing that hes showering his blessings n lord shiva. Please stop arguing without getting your facts known.

 

Also in lord shivas ashtothra names and in rudram chanting it says om nam rudraya vishnave mrutyur me pahi.. so he is yet another aspect of maha vishnu and he is named as vishnu vallabha..... We don't have the knowledge (gynaan) or the bhakti to talk about such extraordinary deities so lets me matured and try to look inside of us than simply clarifying when the truth is out there.

 

Check out Lakshmi Narasimha's Sotram composed by Lord Shiva it says its only lord vishnu whos worthy of worship ( You'll need to have knowledge of sanskrit to dwelve in depths on these slokas their meanings and interpretations instead of befuddling others please make sure you know what you are talking about)

 

Last but not the least please read our scriptures you will understand that yes lord brahma indeed isnt eternal he has a life span dictated by the creator. Instead of wasting your time why dont u try to ponder more into what scriptures have to say.