Why does Osama Bin Laden strike fear in the hearts of so many Americans ?

[Kulapavana]

"How safe and secure did you feel when Saddam was slaughtering hundreds of thousands of his own people? How often did you turn a blind eye to that carnage when you were sippin on your starbucks?"

 

at least I was not selling him military hardware like US govt. during his war with Iran. US knew he was a butcher of his own people then too. just like osama used to work for CIA.

 

if US govt was so concerned about loss of innocent lives why did they do NOTHING when 2 millions were butchered in Rwanda? how about these 5 millions in Congo? why "liberate" Iraq and not Rwanda or Congo? lol! this is SO obvious...

[theist]

This scenario happens almost everyday in America. Some whacko takes a group of people hostage and threatens to kill them one at a time until his demands are met.

 

His demands of course can't be met so what do the police do. They talk and talk to the guy and try to reason with him. But failing that they have to issue a final ultimatum and when that goes unheeded they have to storm the scene even at the risk of the hostages.

 

This was Iraq as I see it only on a large scale.

 

So the question is what would you do to save the hostages? Ignore the situation and let the perp kill them off one by one or storm the place. Both are situations no sane person would relish yet it is the one that is presented by fate.

 

How about you Kulapavana, you claim to be ksatriya, what would you do?

[theist]

 

if US govt was so concerned about loss of innocent lives why did they do NOTHING when 2 millions were butchered in Rwanda? how about these 5 millions in Congo? why "liberate" Iraq and not Rwanda or Congo? lol! this is SO obvious...

 

 

 

Good questions. Ask Clinton and the UN. The inaction in the Congo led to the intervene of a private army which was really kinking some serious ass to defend the helpless, until they were forced out finally and replaced by the inept UN.

 

It looks like we will see the rise and use of more such private militaries in the future such as Executive Outcomes.

 

Why not mention the Sudan which is happening right now. Where is the rest of the world and the UN as tens of thousands are being slaughtered by the Arabs? I'll tell you where. They are sitting around the UN or in the comfy capitals throwing stones at the US over Iraq with one hand and with the thumb of their other hand up their ___'s.

[Guest guest]

Sudan does not. The motivator is what motivated hiraznyaksa when he decided to drain the entire planet of its resources at the expense of the citizens.

 

And there is no sense yakkin how a ksatriya would act. There are no ksatriyas in this age, only sudras at best (those who comply with vedic law) and low born mleccaas.

 

Arjuna sets the example for he was a ksatriya. He did not act without serious consternation. He preferred to act in renunciation. He only killed enemies who were DIRECTLY agressors against him after consulting with his Guru, lord krsna.

 

A ksatriya would never act alone. A ksatriya would consult and follow the guidance of the Brahmanas. The demons who make war in this age all act on the basest of mundane emotion, HATE. Bush hates his perceived enemies, therefore, he is bogus ksatriya. Even as arjuna killed, he did so without any hatred whatsoever, he offered his first arrows to his enemies feet to show how he loved them, Grandfather and Guru of martial arts.

 

The fact of the matter Srila Prabhupada does not support any kali yuga warfare. He teaches that war is lkike the weather, a natural occurrance, like volcanoes and earthquakes, brought about by dishonesty. Dishaonesty is not one sided in the present situation, there is not an honest one in the bunch, just suicidal maniacs of bogus religiosity on both sides. One side want to help bring about the second coming of their illusory christ, the other side want to ride around on horses and shoot arrows like they did in 600 AD, sacking castles and enslaving the conquered women.

 

The innocent of all sides are the victims of these masters of war. Pragmatism is taught by Krsna to Arjuna, this mass murder is His will, they are all already killed. But no one can be arjuna unless they completely act as ksatriya, seeking the blessing of brahmanas and gurus. No one can take credit for Krsnas culling of the world population, because no one is hooked up to him, only his perverted reflection of hate (the shadow antithesis of RASA).

 

Haribol, ys, mahak

 

PS Babhru, never knew your experiance in Nam, thanks for your work in an unfortunate circumstance. I used to yak all the time with our mutual friend, the marine captain Krsna Chaitanya, about the Nam experiance. I never went, but marched with Spivek and the VVATW, served the veterans by bringing prasadam to the VA hospital in Long Beach Ca. I also had the bad duty of cleaning up the morgues on hospital ships and battle ships in 68-70 as a civilian worker for the Navy. Again, thanks, we all owe ya.

[theist]

That is what the warfare is about. That is the reason they are moving the over one million people off their land. Most of it is purchased by China.

[theist]

From Human Rights Watch

 

HRW Documents on Sudan

 

Sudan: Oil Companies Complicit in Rights Abuses

(London, November 25, 2003) The Sudanese government's efforts to control oilfields in the war-torn south have resulted in the displacement of hundreds of thousands of civilians, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. Foreign oil companies operating in Sudan have been complicit in this displacement, and the death and destruction that have accompanied it.

 

"Oil development in southern Sudan should have been a cause of rejoicing for Sudan's people. Instead, it has brought them nothing but woe."

Jemera Rone, Sudan researcher for Human Rights Watch

The report, "Sudan, Oil, and Human Rights," investigates the role that oil has played in Sudan's civil war. This 754-page report is the most comprehensive examination yet published of the links between natural-resource exploitation and human rights abuses.

"Oil development in southern Sudan should have been a cause of rejoicing for Sudan's people," said Jemera Rone, Sudan researcher for Human Rights Watch. "Instead, it has brought them nothing but woe."

 

The report documents how the government has used the roads, bridges and airfields built by the oil companies as a means for it to launch attacks on civilians in the southern oil region of Western Upper Nile (also known as Unity state). In addition to its regular army, the government has deployed militant Islamist militias to prosecute the war, and has armed southern factions in a policy of ethnic manipulation and destabilization.

 

Human Rights Watch urged that the current peace negotiations deal comprehensively with the legacy of Sudan's oil war, particularly the ethnic divisions that persist in oilfields of the south and threaten the long-term peace.

 

The report provides evidence of the complicity of oil companies in the human rights abuses. Oil company executives turned a blind eye to well-reported government attacks on civilian targets, including aerial bombing of hospitals, churches, relief operations and schools.

 

"Oil companies operating in Sudan were aware of the killing, bombing, and looting that took place in the south, all in the name of opening up the oilfields," said Rone. "These facts were repeatedly brought to their attention in public and private meetings, but they continued to operate and make a profit as the devastation went on."

 

Conditions for civilians in the oilfields actually worsened when the Canadian company Talisman Energy Inc. and the Swedish company Lundin Oil AB were lead partners in two concessions in southern Sudan. Amid mounting pressure from rights groups, Talisman sold its interest in its Sudanese concessions in late 2002, and Lundin followed in June.

 

These Western-based corporations were replaced by the state-owned oil companies of China and Malaysia- CNPC, or China National Petroleum Corp., and Petronas, or Petrolium Nasional Berhad-which had already been partners with Talisman and Lundin. Following CNPC and Petronas, a third state-owned Asian oil company, India's ONGC Videsh Ltd., began operations in Sudan.

 

Statistics from the Sudanese government and the oil companies show how the major share (60 percent) of the US$580 million received in oil revenue by this poverty-stricken country in 2001 was absorbed by its military, both for foreign weapons purchases and for the development of a domestic arms industry.

 

"The Sudanese government has used the oil money in conducting scorched-earth campaigns to drive hundreds of thousands of farmers and pastoralists from their homes atop the oil fields," said Rone. "These civilians have not been compensated nor relocated peacefully-far from it. Instead, government forces have looted their cattle and grain, and destroyed their homes and villages, killed and injured their relatives, and even prevented emergency relief agencies from bringing any assistance to them."

 

The 20-year civil war in Sudan has been fought between the Islamist, northern-based Arab-speaking government and the vast marginalized African populations of southern Sudan, where the Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army (SPLM/A) has been the largest rebel group. The war spread to eastern and central Sudan, and while the parties signed a cease-fire agreement in October 2002 western Sudan remains engulfed in war.

 

The report also covers the SPLM/A's role in the struggle over oilfields. The regular SPLM/A forces have carried out serious human rights abuses, including summary execution of captured combatants. Commanding officers of the SPLM/A have taken no steps to investigate or punish these crimes.

 

Peace talks promoted by a troika of the United States, Britain and Norway have been underway in Kenya since June 2002. However, the Sudanese government and the SPLM/A, the only parties to the talks, have yet to agree on how to share revenue from the oil reserves, most of which lie in the south. The northern-based government has agreed to a self-determination referendum for the south, but not until 6 1/2 years after the peace agreement is signed.

 

"The hundreds of thousands of persons displaced from the oilfields should be allowed to return, with guarantees of safety and compensation for their losses," Rone said. "This needs to be a central part of the peace agreement."

[Kulapavana]

"This was Iraq as I see it only on a large scale.

 

So the question is what would you do to save the hostages? Ignore the situation and let the perp kill them off one by one or storm the place. Both are situations no sane person would relish yet it is the one that is presented by fate.

 

How about you Kulapavana, you claim to be ksatriya, what would you do?"

 

first of all, placing Iraq in the same category as OsamaBL is pure propaganda, but I will answer your question as a kshatriya:

 

first of all I would not place my country in a position where anyone would want to take my citizens as hostages. (translation to you dense folks: bring troops home and stop supporting Israel)

 

kshatriyas rule with INTELLIGENCE, NOT IRON FIST

 

but if the hostages were taken, you do whatever it takes to get them alive and THEN! you come after the REAL perpetrators (like OsamaBL), you hunt them down and kill them without mercy.

 

these demon pseudo-kshatriyas of yours SOLD THEMSELVES to greedy vaishyas who start wars to make money. those who support them share the blood that is on their hands.

 

 

 

 

[theist]

It's easy to make statements like I wouldn't let anyone be taken hostage or I would free the hostages and then kill the perps. But real world leaders don't have the luxury of living in such fantasies

 

"Yeah if I was the quarterback I would only throw touchdowns."

 

"Yeah right. Pass the chips."

 

 

[Kulapavana]

"No answer"

 

no, it is the answer you dont LIKE. bringing back US troops from foreign interventions is not a fantasy, nor is negotiating with hostage takers some unthinkable, evil idea - policemen do it ALL THE TIME... and definitely US did not HAVE to start the war in Iraq, they just DESIRED it.

 

anyway, we all have to live we the choices we make. in this life and in the next... Hare Krishna!

[Streetstraw]

Definitely not a passenger jet, definitely not American Airlines.

It was carrying something below attached to its belly.

Flash went off in at least 4 directions just before this plane hit WTC.

Definitely not Sun reflection.

Almost perect timing. Almost.

Demolition experts easily recognized pattern.

At least 23 experienced NYFD firefighters have testified to hearing bombs go off within 2 Towers long after both planes had hit.

"We have nothing to fear... but Chaindog himself."

"Trust no future however pleasant."

[gHari]

Well, at last Osama is finally proud to reveal that it was his idea to topple New York's twin towers. And talk about premeditation: he claims to have gotten the idea back in 1982.

 

Just because we kill some innocent desert women and children he thinks he can kill our innocent women and children. What kind of logic is that?

 

[Guest guest]

$500,000 for the whole operation.

 

How much has our response to 911 cost? $500,000,000,000?

 

Did you know OBLs biggest success was to drive out the soviets from afghan with sheepherder nomads. And bring the Great Superpower Mega Satan USSR to its full death by total bankruptcy.

 

So whos the ksatriya here?

 

Certainly not the forces who fall for such sucker traps, like balujjah.

 

mahak