Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Of the three great cultures, namely hindu, western and Islamic, I've chosen Islam because: 1) It is based on compassion, unlike Hindu/western which centers on exploitation 2) There is no class (western) or caste (Hindu) 3) There is no capitalism (western) or its offshoots such as socialism (which hindus follow rigorously), systems which consider man as just another commodity. Islamic (economic) principles are based on ethics such as no interest rate and things like that. 4) Islam says, "Live and let live." Western/hindu way of thought infringes on other cultures through war, terror, imperialism, crusades, migration etc. 5) Islam believes in limited consumption and to use the rest of one's wealth for social service, unlike hindu/western values that believe in unlimited consumption I can go on and on, but i hope you can all understand why ISlam towers above other civilizations, especially hindus and western for they happen to be the most dominant at the moment. That is why I choose Islam-it is based on ethical values. Go to any Islamic country and even strangers give you accommodation at cheaper rates, whether you are hindu or western or buddhist or whatever. There is no discrimination. You cant say the same thing about other nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumedh Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Hare Krishna Congratulations. I thought religion was aimed at achieving love for Godhead and there is no consideration of that; please concentrate on that aspect more. anyway what is the meaning of announcing this here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Hi, I am interested in Islam also. Can u pl enlighten me on the meanings of the words like Islam & Mohammad? Thx. in advance. Happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 If religion is about achieving love for godhead, then why are you typing here? lol. Religion is not merely about chanting hare-krishna, that is escapism. Real religion covers all aspects of life, where chanting would have its rightful place. To focus only on love of god, chanting etc. has made hindus/hare krishans's a very pathetic community. Please broaden your outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Islam means peace or surrender. Mohammed is the prophet who 'recd' his koran (islamic teachings) from higher sources, just like vedic rishis. In a way, Prophet Mohammed was also more like a Vedic rishi, if I may say so myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 It was Islam which influenced advaitic thought in Southern India. Islamic merchants in Kerala influenced Sankara, and it was only then he came up with Advaita. Until then, Hindus were following polytheistic traditions. It was Sankara who changed all that with his advita, and his advaita was directly derived from islamic sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Less or none will suffice. Your offenses show your faulty understanding of religion; they reveal your insincerity. Allah is no fool. Neither are we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sumedh Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Hare Krishna Okay, maybe i am a fool to be typing here but the question is why are you announcing this here; whats your intent. You think that Gaudiya Vaishnavas only chant Hare Krishna and escape; you can imagine whatever you like (if they indeed escape from this plane to the spiritual plane then it is the perfection !!). Real religion covers all aspects of life, where chanting would have its rightful place. To focus only on love of god, chanting etc. has made hindus/hare krishans's a very pathetic community. Please broaden your outlook. First learn something about gaudiya vaishnavism and then write. If you wish to learn some specifics of the life in Vaishnavism or what love for Godhead means you are welcome to ask questions. But, the point remains that you gave no consideration to this point which you would also consider important by your standards, or you think that just to spend life somehow on this plane is all in all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 "4) Islam says, "Live and let live." Western/hindu way of thought infringes on other cultures through war, terror, imperialism, crusades, migration etc." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Great, you found something you believe in. Just a few side thoughts though. I greatly doubt that your religion would want someone preaching about their religion and then calling another "pathetic". That is just closed minded and offensive. Also, if Islam says "live and let live" why the heck do they blow themselves and innocent people up in the name of "god"? I have not heard of any religion other than Islam that is so hateful and vengeful of other races or religions. Also, how are they living and letting live when they slaughter innocent animals for their food? Just a few thoughts for you to think about before you come over her to a vaisnava message board preaching how "pathetic" or beliefs are. Hare Krishna! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 We do not only chant. We cook, clean, work, live and breath for Krishna. Everything we do is for the enjoyment or benefit of Krishna. We do not only go to the temple, pray, then go out and kill animals to eat and drown in sense enjoyment. We actually live our religion and beliefs. Unlike many christians who go to church on sunday and ask for forgiveness for their sins, and then go home and commit more all week long and do it all over again, we strive to ALWAYS follow the path of being Krishna Conscious always. So, once again, living your religion in every aspect of your life can hardly be called pathetic, it is called devotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 4) Islam says, "Live and let live." Western/hindu way of thought infringes on other cultures through war, terror, imperialism, crusades, migration etc. Get a grip brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Islam says, "Live and let live." Western/hindu way of thought infringes on other cultures through war, terror, imperialism, crusades, migration etc. Good point. Very nice, now tell me what will you do in Paradise? Or don't they have a hell for Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 gHari, I see that line stood out for you too. Our friend may not be insane. He actually may have just dropped in from planet Orzon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Islam guest says, "4) Islam says, "Live and let live." Western/hindu way of thought infringes on other cultures through war, terror, imperialism, crusades, migration etc." Is this a new jihad weapon? Post the most hilarious statements on Vaisnava forums so we laugh ourselves to death? Did you just crawl out of a cave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Islam guest says, "1) It is based on compassion, unlike Hindu/western which centers on exploitation" I can't breath I am laughing so hard. Islam guest says, "2) There is no class (western) or caste (Hindu) Yup, there is no CLASS. I have to catch my breath or Islam guest will have succeeded in offing a Vaisnava. Whooo hoooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Islam says: Live and let live. But if some Muslims don't live by those teachings and become terrorists, then why blame Islam? Terrorists have no religion. Another poster has asked why certain muslims blow themselves up. Well, I ask why you people butcher innocent civilians all over the world. In what way are Christian or Hindu soldiers (who kill civilians) any different from Muslim suicide bombers? Their intent is to kill and therefore should be condemned. But you seem to condemn suicide bombing and condone the atrocities committed by christian/hidnu terrorists. This is biased. If you condemn Bin Laden for killing civilians on 9/11, U should also condemn Bush as a terrorist for killing Iraqi civilians. Morever, Muslims have to resort to such 'unethical' methods, only because they are a poor and oppressed lot. So it is the westerner who needs to do some explaining, not the muslim. The western world should be more sensitive and less barbaric. They owe muslims an explanation. But I am willing to be a bigger man and forgive you for offending me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 but many others, including Hindus, Jains, Buddhists etc. simply chant, pray, perform rituals and leave it at that. It is pathetic because they dont understand the meaning of life. Muslims consider it their duty to help fellow human beings, whereas westerners and hindus refuse to help, and think it is the govt.'s job. Muslims dont depend on govt. to provide handouts. They have a strong community sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Can U disprove any of those facts? Crusades were started by christian fanatics. Both world wars were started by westerners. Terrorism was started by western/christian people. Hindus also practice state terrorism. Plus, imperialism is the core of America's economic/foreign policies. And the hindus are their willing junior partners. All in all, both these people want to see a great civlization vanish, and so tehy've joined hands. Strange bed fellows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gHari Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Islam's rejects have been raping, plundering, and murdering Indians for centuries upon centuries. Get a grip on reality. 'Islam' deserves whatever it gets from Allah. Let them go back to fighting amongst themselves like dogs. That is Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 You come into a Vaishnava forum and you spout off your insane rhetoric. You jump around all hot and bothered when we do not embrace you with loving open arms. This is mild compared to what I have seen when a Muslim enters Hindu chat rooms on etc. Go there and make your annoucement then come back here and tell us about it. Better yet why don't you just associate with your own kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 because they do it in the name of Islam!!!!!! Ever heard of the term Jihad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 you keep referring to us as Hindus. We are not Hindus, so please do not group us together with something we are not. Hindus believe in more than one god, we believe Krishna is the only supreme god. So, get it straight and run along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Hindus do not simply believe in many gods. Just because you worship Krishna doesn't give you the right to denounce Hinduism, when it's clear you don't know what Hinduism even IS. You want to see yourself as different from Hindus, possibly because you have the preconceived notion (and a wrong one too at that) that Hinduism is barbaric, which is not the case at all. Hindus do not worship many gods, some do, some don't. Some perceive Hinduism as advaitha, others perceive it as dvaita, and still others perceive it as something else. Hinduism is open to all of these interpretations. The only things Hindus generally have in common are their belief in moksha, dharma, karma, reincarnation, and maybe a few other things. All of which Krishna himself preached in the Bhagavad-Gita. And for devotees of Krishna, such as you claim to be, to try to separate yourself from other Hindus, makes no sense. Hinduism is the way of life that Krishna preached. Back then, there was no NAME for the religion, it was just a way of life, and Hinduism is STILL simply a way of life based on karma, moksha, reincarnation, and dharma. If you believe in Krishna, it would only logically follow that you believe in his words in the Gita. And if you follow those words in the Gita, no matter what you would like to call it, you are no different from any other Hindu. You can call yourself whatever you like, but there is NO DIFFERENCE between you and other Hindus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Nope, no matter what you say we are not hindus. Prabhupada taught us this and helped us to understand. We are not hindus. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Not a hindu guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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