liberal misrepresentation

[mahak]

Haribol, friends of this forum. I am rather saddened because I had the misfortune to listen to the so-called "liberal" answer to the fox barrage of right wing radio talk shows, Air-America.

 

What a bad joke on the real liberal ideal. All the pro abortion garbage and the trivializing of moral values is appalling.

 

I am a died in the wool liberal, far left as one can get without falling off the political globe. I go back to patrice Lumumba and Congo My Congo, the teachings of Malcolm X. Im even a dyed in the wool Provo IRA supporter, and my song is a GK Chesterton poem:

 

For the great Gaels of Ireland

Are the men that God mad mad

For all their wars are merry

And all their songs are sad

 

Martin Luther King is another hero.

 

Now what is the tie-in to all this? None of my heroes are morally bankrupt. Martin Luther King would fight for the rights of the unborn. Malcolm X would call abortion what it is, a genocide contrived by the fascist to eliminate the people of color. Patrice Lumumba was a devout follower of Lord Jesus Christ, as was Heile Selaise, the lion of judah. The IRA are devout catholics who know that the evangelicals and orangemen are the enemies of the Blessed Mother, butchering anti-christs.

 

But I guess the conservatives have the same trouble. Dwight David Eisenhower and Barry Goldwater would not share the same street with these destroyers of the Amerikkkan economy and invaders of those not directly threatening the security of the USA.

 

You see, back in the day, we had conservatives and liberals who DID work in a bipartisan manner for the common good of our pluralistic society. But neuither the liberal nor the conservative causes are served by the weirdness that has taken these terms onto themselves.

 

Air America is a spoof that derides the liberal cause, just as full of garbage as the rabid fundamentalist fanatics who air false support of troops while soldiers go without food, shelter, even blankets.

 

May God damn them all (not a curse, but a prayer).

[AncientMariner]

I used to be a liberal but after many years of surviving the moral terrorism of the public school systems I just couldn't tolerate supporting what modern liberals have become. Being a liberal was merely a nuisance for me anyway because I was always in jail or in a mental hospital when I was a liberal. Didn't get my life cleaned up till I became a conservative. I don't like the phony Christian Republicans anymore than anyone else, I grew up around plenty of oppressive hypocritical Mormons but when push comes to shove my conscience makes me side with them over the abortionists, phony movie stars etc.

[stonehearted]

I had some hope when I heard about this effort. However, it's just thoughtless-leftie reaction to the dominance of folks like Limbaugh, Drudge, O'Reilly, Hannity, and the rest of the right-wing jerks on the air. I've always thought Al Franken could be funny, but he's clearly better in small doses. Limbaugh may be an arrogant boor and a bully, and I consider him nothing more than a well-paid agent of kali, but he has a well-produced show. AAR is an embarrasment. Some of their guests are good, but I'd rather hear them elsewhere. The best leftie radio is still Pacifica (which we don't have here). I once heard a several-hour-long tape of a converation among Allen Ginsburg, Timothy Leary, Lawrance Ferlinghetti, and Gary Snyder, recorded aboard Snyder's (I think) boat in 1967. The very first words spoken on that tape are "Hare Krishna." And the first topic of conversation, which they discussed for several minutes, was Srila Prabhupada. "The Swami," it seems, made quite a big stir when he arrived in San Francisco.

 

And yes, the big problem with so much of the left is their mindless endorsement of abortion in the name of choice. It's a real pain in the okole.

 

When I lived in California, I registered as a Green for many years, as part of my feeble attempt to give voiced other than the two big parties a voice. But I don't think the Greens are radical enough. I, and many other Greens, oppose abortion. The party is aware of this and most state platforms acknowledge it under their Nonviolence plank, just before they endorse the right to choose. I wouldn't mind, that, as I also believe it's a private matter, but I find their dismissal of the objection a little too facile. There should be some mention of a culture that makes the right choice(s) easier. I'd also like to see something about animal slaughter under that section, too.

 

Here's how the Hawaii Green Party deals with abortion in their platform:

 

"Abortion is a troubling issue to some Greens. They argue that an ethic of nonviolence must include fetuses and ban all abortion. The majority of us support a woman's right to choose whether or not she carries a pregnancy to term. We feel that a greater harm is committed when the state interferes in what should be a private matter.

 

We believe that a woman should be free to make choices about childbearing."

[theist]

Afterall there is no Krsna conscious representation in that sphere especially at those levels. The only descent presentation on radio is NPR. They have some class but they flaunt it too much. Great bumper music! No overt commercials! But they get boring as hell a lot too and their PC agenda is so blatant. Can't listen to any of their political commentary. Terry Gross and Fresh Air is usually good.

 

It's hard being an extremist on both sides of the aisle. I mean everyone seems too centrist on every issue. On terrorism I am to the right of Paul Wolfiwitz (sp) and co. As far as corporations go I see these big mutinationals (99%) as being the enemy of mankind and the Earth in general. I would love to wake up some morning and find that all the McDonalds were being burned down along with the abortion mills.

 

ALF ELF and those that shut down abortion providers all have a place in my heart but not in each others.

 

A lot of those on air conservatives seem to take pot shots at animal rights activist from time to time and I just want to shove their cigars right down their throats.

 

Yes if only we had a Krsna conscious communism going but we don't and so we have to pick through the trash and use what we find to our best advantage.

 

Between the two parties it's an easy choice. I'll never support a baby killer for anything or those that assault the practice of religion. therefore the Demoncrats are out. By default or on a couple of issues the Republicans are better.

 

It's the age and Pariksit ain't comin' back.

 

I turned off my TV service. So now it's Savage nation for a little while, Rush for a little while, NPR from time to time, and Coast to Coast while always wishing George Noory was Art Bell.

 

I am tortured. Why? Because I have no taste for Krsna-katha.

 

 

[stonehearted]

Unfortunately, George Noory will never, ever be Art Bell. Art's weird as hell, but he invented that business, just as Limbug invented his.

 

NPR's political commentary is actually quite varied. Kevin Phillips is one of the most reasonable conservatives I've ever heard. I used to always look forward to his commentary, but it's all too rare now (and he hates the Bushes). Bill Kristol is on quite often. And yes, Terry Gross may well be the best interviewer anywhere on the air.

 

Some of Siddha's devotees in NZ were making bombs in the '70s for blowing up McDonald's, or something like that. Unfortunately (for them, anyway), they screwed up and blew themselves up. Srila Prabhupada was not pleased. He once told my friend Tarun Kanti that our revolution is to be effected by education, not force.

[theist]

I never knew that. I just heard that Prabhupada had said that it would not be productive as their insurance co. would just build them a new a better facility.

 

No devotees needn't plant bombs, they need to spread kirtan and knowledge. But that leaves alot of others...

[Guest guest]

I gave siddha a ride from the airport to his home (maui) and we were talkin politics, as the IGG was just beginning and we were just beginning to see if we could get IGG recognized as a party. He asked me about my experiance in politics, and I told him I was a third worlder back in the sixties, marched with the BoA bombers, surfed Isla Vista (UCSB) during the riots, supported IRA and even was once involved with a lady who bombed the US Senate.

 

He gave a funny response "we dont really need that....yet".

 

But I have leveled off a bit, but doncha think its kinda funny with my inborne mentality that Ive managed to keep a top secret security clearance for twenty years, worked on the US Navy Trident Missile Program, etc. And I never lied to the FBI about my associations. My OPF (Official Personnel File), the 1970 entry clearly states that I resigned from my civilian position because of my opposition to fascist aggression in Vietnam. Once, a NIS official asked me about it, and I just said that Robert MacNamara, the architect of vietnam, agreed with me, finally. We gotta great laugh outta that.

 

Mans inhumanity to man is hard for the leftie to deal with, and even makes warriors out of them as well. One can be anti war all they want, but when your children are dragged out of your home by Nazis or Orangemen and thrown into brutal camps, ya tend to gravitate to blowin up things. Thats where I was in 1968, and even in the eighties, I had these IRA sympathies. But then, we realize that all are used to propagate bigger evil, that many IRAs are paid by the MI6 to bomb brits and create mayhem. I still know that bushie, had he known in advance of 911, had to let the WTC fall, because shooting down commercial jets with military fighter aircraft would never fly. This war stuff is even bigger than the military industrialists and beyond even their control.

 

So now I just curse them, no mo plastique. I curse them to live in the sty they have created, because this is not my home, I feel sooooo unwelcome here.

 

Haribol, friends, PAMHO, before it gets too late, hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[Guest guest]

My Top Secret/SIOP clearance was only suspended when I was busted. I imagine I could have gotten another clearance (maybe only Secret, I dunno) later if I had wanted to work for that Man again. But losing my clearance and getting tossed (Honorable Discharge, though) kind of freed me up to come under Turiya das and Goursundar's spell. If the attachments I worked to hard to develop hadn't been forcibly shattered, I don't know if I would have been able to make the commitment I did back then. (I wonder what that may portend for my near future. Eek!)

[stonehearted]

That was me. Somehow, I wasn't logged on and didn't notice until just now.

[Guest guest]

Haribol, babhru. When I made my anti-war statement in 1970, relinquishing my job and getting #57 in the first draft lottery after losing my deferrment in the process, this was actually done because my rounds got in the way of doing my shipboard service as a civilian. It was very hard back then to be associated with the USN and having hair down to my waist, dealing with the rhetoric.

 

But my liberation by my choice was sublime, because it was then that I became a regulkar at laguna, meeting up with srivanivas and gangaram, learning about siddha and goursundara, and planning my move to the Islands. I actually answered the phone when we were destroying the laguna beach temple to make renovations for Srila Prabhupadas visit, and spoke with siddha for the first time.

 

When I returned to the mainland in 1978, I went to NSYLB to see if they had any jobs, and all the hipsters I was apprentices with hired me and fixed me up, sending me on a career that ended in 2002. Good gig, as I remember telling srila prabhupada that I was employed on black iron, and his comment was that in the age of kali (iron), this is a good job. He also told me of srila bhaktivinodes government service, so this became encouragement later on. Too bad I graduated from black iron to nuke, but thats life. My whistleblowin got me out in time though.

 

I think of gourasundara often, especially when I listen to dylans pat garrett and billy the kid album, and think of the classic tunes we did samkirtana to at intl marketplace. What a softspoken and kind person he was to me personally.

 

There I go with the nostalgia again, but Krsna purifies my tendency to live in the past.

 

Now, theres guns accross the river pointing at me, so I gotta run, hare krsna, yo brah, mahaksadasa