Earthquake Jolted Earth's Rotation

[Gauracandra]

"How powerful? By some estimates, it was equal to detonating a million atomic bombs.

 

Sieh and other scientists said it probably jolted the planet's rotation. "It causes the planet to wobble a little bit, but it's not going to turn Earth upside down," Sieh said."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/12/27/quake.seismic.ap/index.html

 

Very sad whats happening now. Hopefully relief can get there quick. Unfortunately now millions of people who's lives depend on tourism are in even worse straits.

[krsna]

That's a lot of people and money. Why did it happen? Who is responsible for making this tsunami/earthquake happen?

Can anyone give some straight answers? People's collective Karma? Mother Bhumi got angry? Special mercy from Krsna? ...???

[krsna]

http://chakra.org/news/newsDec27_04_02.html

[theist]

 

That's a lot of people and money. Why did it happen? Who is responsible for making this tsunami/earthquake happen?

Can anyone give some straight answers? People's collective Karma? Mother Bhumi got angry? Special mercy from Krsna? ...???

 

 

All of the above perhaps. Certainly our individual karma gets bundled into a collective reaction. This happens all the time. Buses off cliffs, wars, fires, various natural disasters.

 

So many angles to see things from. Another is that we take everything as a happening relative to humans because we are presently seeing through human eyes so it all seems centered around us. But this can also been seen as Mother Earth simply shifting into a more comfortable position to relieve some tension, like we do when we have been sitting in a chair for too long in one way so we move a little. No big thing to us but a bug on the chair may see it differently.

 

I heard there is an asteroid headed this way in another five years or so with 1 in 60 odds of hitting Earth. Just think if it was to land in Manhatten or Paris or New Delhi. But in the larger scheme of universal affairs that would be nothing. It's all so relative.

 

We have taken up residence in a dangerous neighborhood. We can expect more trouble.

 

[krsna]

Yep, we are so teeney in size in the universal scheme of things. In fact, Krsna don't deal in this kind of stuff like earthquakes,tsunamis,etc...

 

He's got better things to do in His Divine abode with the gopis and His favorite surabhi cows who give endless quantities of milk.

[Guest guest]

I heard that the quake also shortened the day due to the tremendous shifting of the plates.

[krsna]

Millions in Disaster Zone at Risk of Disease Warns UN

 

Respiratory and waterborne diseases could break out within days in areas affected by southern Asia’s tsunami disaster, the UN warned tonight.

 

 

Millions of people across the region could be at “grave risk” from diseases such as cholera and diarrhoea unless immediate action is taken to provide clean water, the UN children’s agency said.

 

“Standing water can be just as deadly as moving water,” said UNICEF Executive Director Carol Bellamy. “The floods have contaminated the water systems, leaving people with little choice but to use unclean surface water.”

 

Relief organisations are distributing medical supplies to prevent the outbreak of disease, but their main focus is dealing with the wounded, said Jamie McGoldrick, an emergency relief co-ordinator of the UN Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs, in Geneva.

 

“Diseases will start to come through in the next few days,” McGoldrick said. “No doubt people will be affected; kids are drinking stagnant water.”

 

Governments in 11 nations are still trying to determine how many were killed in the devastation wreaked by Sunday’s quake and the tsunamis it caused. The death toll now stands at more than 77,000 and is expected to rise.

 

It is still impossible to visit some isolated islands off the northern coast of Sumatra and assessments can only be made from the air, McGoldrick said.

 

“Populations we haven’t reached yet may suffer from disease,” he said.

 

UN agencies will present their initial combined appeal to donors during “the first few days of January,” McGoldrick added.

 

Worst-hit have been Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, Thailand and the Maldives. But Malaysia, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Somalia, Tanzania, Seychelles and Kenya have also reported deaths from the tidal wave that sped across the Indian Ocean on Sunday morning.

 

The United Nations has sent disaster assessment teams to the affected countries and relief organisations are distributing supplies.

 

“The numbers and the needs are absolutely staggering,” said UN High Commissioner for Refugees Ruud Lubbers

[Guest guest]

If the engine runs out of oil, the gears gring to a halt, and everything is ruined.

 

Oil has a purpose, to lubricate the plates, like mucus lubricates our forms. Humans insist on extracting and burning this essential substance for the form of Bhumi.

 

Shes not revolting, she is very ill due to Kali slowly killing her, and no Kings like Pariksit to prevent such a massacre. She is dying, shivering her last, wondering if she should dive into the sun or go to the coldness of space.

 

Have a nice ride, hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

 

Two similar events in the last 200 years occurred in the same area, the volcanoes, Tambura and Krakatoa, both flooded the earth with disease, droughts, plagues, rising sea levels. This is much worse, according to general scientific speculations. The US military is mind-blown by the extent of this event, the subsequent tsunami, and the horror of whats to come.

 

The big equalizer, we now have refugees that include thousands of prominant Americans, without cell phones, running for survival with the natives. Living in the makeshift camps with corpses piling up. Projected casualties are over a quarter of a million dead or forever missing, swept away.

 

The Earth is a big bell and is still ringing, and the tremors are being felt worldwide. Expect Juan . Fuca meltdown, as well as Atlantic reverberations to loosen fragile Ice packs, both poles. From St Helens, to New Madrid, from Popocateptyl to the Ross Ice Shelf, from Yellowstone to San Andreas, all are expected to let loose by many, both physical and metaphysical scientists.

 

And, to top it off, 2005 is a seven year mistake. Lord Jesus lived until he was Forty, not thirty three, meaning this is really 2112, the last year of the Mayans, Hopis, and other expert calandar makers. (Blame the calandar error on Pope Gregory. The bad calandar we use is the Gregorian Clannder, never corrected despite full evidence that the Ascension of the New Testament occurred in 40 CE, not 33 CE. This seven year mistake is acknowledged by Mary in her discussions with Lucia at Fatima in the early 1900s, and I remember even the catholic schools discussing this in my youth spent there.

[Guest guest]

"And, to top it off, 2005 is a seven year mistake. Lord Jesus lived until he was Forty, not thirty three, meaning this is really 2112, the last year of the Mayans, Hopis, and other expert calandar makers. (Blame the calandar error on Pope Gregory. The bad calandar we use is the Gregorian Clannder, never corrected despite full evidence that the Ascension of the New Testament occurred in 40 CE, not 33 CE. This seven year mistake is acknowledged by Mary in her discussions with Lucia at Fatima in the early 1900s, and I remember even the catholic schools discussing this in my youth spent there. "

 

 

First off, nothing's going to happen in 2012. And what difference does it make when Jesus Christ died, since 0 AD is when Jesus Christ was supposedly BORN.

 

 

[Guest guest]

First off, nothing's going to happen in 2012. And what difference does it make when Jesus Christ died, since 0 AD is when Jesus Christ was supposedly BORN.

 

The gregorian calandar was created based on the time of pope gregory, meaning that 33 ad, which is a date easily to find through lay documentation, should have been calculated as 40 ad. Thus 2005 is correctly calculated as 2012. The birth of christ (0ad) is not calculable, as the only verification comes from caesars census (which made the Nazerines travel to Byht Lahm), which took place from 5 bc to 3 ad.

 

What this has to do with eathquake and waves is quite simple. The mayans are already accepted to be expert mathmeticians. Their calandart is the center of their culture, and cross calculation is uncanny.

 

That it would cover over 12,000 years, then abruptly end in our year 2012 (or 2005 re; 7 year error) is cause for concern. The entire owrld of prophecy notes these times as "interesting", meaning unique earth events are compounded.

 

No, this EQ in itself is not6hing, every 20 years we have a 9.0 somewhere on the globe. But with ice chunks the size of Rhode Island casting off from antarctica, volcanoes going off simultaneously, the incredible solar flare event which has gone 2 years beyond normal cycles noted for the last 350 years, the Alaska permifrost melting for the first time in 10,000 years, all these things at once cause concern.

 

But not overly concerning to a vaisnava, because folks get run over by trucks more often than by world catyclysm. There is no "news at 10" on that day, and nothing special is felt. Just a snowstorm that doesnt stop, but we do just a few days into it. The tidal waves were a good way to die, no long term brain rotting that happens to most americans.

 

We all know that martyaloka is not our home, it is the planet of deasth, the dark star crashes, turning this realm to ashes (sorry jerry garcia, I had to quote ya bro).

 

So it is a good show. May we live in interesting times. Id hate to die bored.

 

hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

 

[theist]

"may we live in interesting times" Agreed. But if something really major happens, asteroid, 50 volcaneos going off at once or a nuke war then please God let me go in the first wave because the aftermath will be far worse than any Mad Max movie contemplated.

[Avinash]

Was there any 0 AD? As I have read, the year before 1 AD is called as 1 BC, no 0 in between.

[Guest guest]

Yer right, no 0 AD, meaning 2001 was the first day of this millenium, but thats an old worn out arguement.

 

But, to Theist, its all very slow, this death stuff. In the Art Bell world, we hover to watch all the calamities, not really participating, but witnessing.

 

Reality is different. The Earth may slip dramatically, making where we live all of a sudden the North Pole. How it translates, though, is a bad week that we do not survive. We have no info about anyone else, just like those living in horror in a camp in the hills of Myanmar. The horror an arms distance away is all we see, all we care about, aND WHAT HAPPENS IN sEATTLE, honolulu, LA, NYC, not pertenant to anything we be dealing with.

 

I like the idea of being hit on the head with the casing of the NUKE and not walking thru the rubble of a failed humanity, but if this is part of the education, we must remember that, in the words of Bob Marley, God dont make burdens we cannot overcome if we are HIS. Queen Kunti Teachings are prominant in my survival pack, and She gives us what we need to praise the calamities as very beneficial to our ultimate goal of spirtual growth.

 

At least theoretically, eh brah, its a start. The alternative is cancer, a fancy and modern term for normal old age, disease, and death.

 

I pray that all the Vaisnavas reach out to one anoither and bury all hatchets created by materialistic blades of fan spinning after the power has been turned off by the Divine Grace of the Vaisnava Acaryas.

 

Stop the blades at once, and offer obiesancies to all the vaisnava community. This is our best bet for survival. Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[krsna]

150.000 PEOPLE DIE IN TSUNAMI WAVES

 

by our WVA correspondents in Vrindavan & Boston

 

The members of the World Vaishnava Association are offering their heartfelt prayers to all those who are suffering tragedy due to the Tsunami waves. So far 150,000 people are reported to have died. It is a great calamity that has hit the planet. This is a time to meditate about the cause of such calamities and the meaning of life.

 

In the material world there are 3 types of calamities: those caused by the mind and one's own body, those caused by other living entities and those caused by natural catastrophes (adiatmika, adibautika and adidaivika). Due to our previous activities we have to either suffer (from those 3 types) or enjoy. This is called the law of karma.

 

The Tsunami waves have left millions of people homeless. Towns have been washed away by the waves. People are forced to give up their homes and go somewhere else to live, birth after birth. This is the condition in this material world. The material nature is forcing us to wander here and there. We do not have a permanent place in this world. We are all just foreigners here.

 

 

 

The Vedic scriptures tell us that our eternal, permanent home is not in this material world. Our permanent residence is existing in the spiritual world and by surrendering to the will of the Lord, by becoming a devotee of the Lord we gain entrance into that world and are thereby able to give up this temporary material existence, which is full of anxiety.

 

Such a great calamity as the tsunami of 2004, only reminds us of the urgency of following the instructions of our Lord Sri Krishna, bestowed upon us through the tender mercy of Sri Sri Gurudeva and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. By surrendering to the Lord and becoming an instrument of his love, we can achieve absolute peace and salvation from the cruelties of nature and time.

 

We are including here some quotes from the Bhagavad Gita, explaining the eternal nature of the soul:

 

"A man engaged in devotional service rids himself of both good and bad actions even in this life. Therefore strive for yoga, which is the art of all work. By thus engaging in devotional service to the Lord, great sages or devotees free themselves from the results of work in the material world. In this way they become free from the cycle of birth and death and attain the state beyond all miseries (by going back to Godhead)." Bhagavad Gita 2.50 - 2.51

 

"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. O Son of Kunti (Arjuna), the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed. O best among men, the person who is not disturbed by happiness and distress and is steady in both is certainly eligible for liberation. Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent (the material body) there is no endurance and of the eternal (the soul) there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both. That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul" Bhagavad Gita 2.12 - 2.17

 

The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind." Bhagavad Gita 2.23

 

May the Supreme Lord be kind upon us.

 

Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah!