pour nectar continuously

[theist]

Please keep posting on the topic of God consciousness. From any angle it helps us keep the mind engaged in rememberance of Krsna. If you have nothing in particular to say then post a nice verse from the SB or some other sastra.

 

Don't just try to bottle Krsna up for yourself. We can see from the example of Srila Prabhupada who was working so furiously to drown the world in nectar.

 

This is a selfish plea. Practically speaking internet association is all I have. If this dies out so do I. This site has slowed down a lot even as it has become much more civil. Shouldn't the opposite be the case?

 

Please keep it flowing.

[krsna]

There is a nice verse by Srila Rupa Gosvami quoted in Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Antya-lila 1.99:

 

<font color="blue"> tunde tandavini ratim vitanute tundavali-labdhaye

karna-kroda-kadambini ghatayate karnarbudebhyah sprham

cetah-prangana-sangini vijayate sarvendriyanam krtim

no jane janita kiyadbhir amrtaih krishneti varna-dvayi

 

 

 

"I do not know how much nectar the two syllables 'Krish-

 

na' have produced. When the holy name of Krishna is

 

chanted, it appears to dance within the mouth. We then

 

desire many, many mouths. When that name enters the holes

 

of the ears, we desire many millions of ears. And when the

 

holy name dances in the courtyard of the heart, it

 

conquers the activities of the mind, and therefore all the

 

senses become inert." </font color>

[Pankaja_Dasa]

 

I just created a forum, with 2 other devotees. But I can tell for sure, it won't be a success. [no politics] Just Krishna Conscious posts. Click my signature to goto it. [downloadpage]

[Kulapavana]

The chanting of the holy name disseminates the moon-light which blossoms the lotus of all transcendental auspiciousness. In the Prabhasa Khanda of Skanda Purana it is said:

 

madhura-madhuram etan mangalam mangalanam

sakala-nigama-valli-sat-phalam cit-svarupam

 

sakrdapi parigitam sraddhaya helaya va

bhrgu-vara nara-matram tarayet krsna-nama (18)

 

This hari-nama is the most auspicious of all auspiciousness, sweeter than the sweetest, and it is the eternal transcendental fruit of the creeper of Vedic knowledge. O best of the Bhrgus, the holy name awards liberation if chanted even once without offense, whether with faith or negligence.

 

 

[Guest guest]

The difficulty Theist is that many devotees these days may not have the time you and some others have to post consistently, so many other committments are there, work, family etc. which some seem fortunate enough to be able to sidestep and just focus mainly on relief seva.

This service is very time consuming, of course it is its' own reward and most valuable, but so much pressure from the material dimention is there these days. Most devotees that come here are independent, they don't have benefactors to support such activity. And therefore have to prioritize their time accordingly.

I personally am not usually so pragmatic, but the times are forcing me to be. I'd like to spend more time contributing to such forums that may help others and ourselves, but the material campaign is relentless, its driving everyone to become its' slave. The western world is apprehensive of losing its grasp on material luxury and hence free time to give to spiritual pursuits. Everyone, due to the cost of living, is madly endeavouring to feather their nest or just stay afloat, so much so that there is very little sankirtan to be encountered.

The only time i find spare is about 3a.m. in the morning and even then my japa is substituted untill later.

There are also other factors to consider that i think are relevant like the devotees of Mahaprabhu are quite diversified these days and they are serving in various independant groups or individuals, therefore it puts more weight on everyone to do everything. Like I feed myself, shop, work, develop and maintain an acreage property, a car, help family members, run my own website, attend festivals,and try to contribute to this site. It's a labour of love the internet, it doesn't pay your electricity, rates, gas, and maintenace like the jounalists writing for newspapers.

When you are a householder the more time we put into sharing our insights on the internet, the less time we have for all these other callings, and allurements.

I'd love to develop this property I have into a full-fledged vaisnava sanctuary for preaching, but it takes so much energy. We are all caught up in varying degrees.

So having said that we will continue to try by the grace of guru and vaisnava to give what we can, but this is the reality behind most of our profiles here. If only we were more surrendered and empowered to give unlimitedly, what could we do?

[theist]

But I'm watching this site lose some vitality and I am to dependent on it to not say something. My post was more in the mood of a plea than anything else.

[krsna]

http://bhagavadgitaasitis.com/10/18/en

[Guest guest]

The descent of the Holy Name

 

transcribed by

Acyutananda Das Nabadwipa 1976

 

His Holiness B.R. Sridhar Maharaja sat on the roof of his quarters in Nabadwipa (West Bengal). The now very old sadhu was in a contemplative mood, and to approach him in this state disturbed me.

 

 

He motioned that I should sit in front of him, so I timidly went and sat down on a grass mat at his feet. There was no one to be seen for miles around.

"There are many things to see from up here by which we can remember Sri Chaitanya," His Holiness said. "We have the Ganges, this forest, the temples, His favourite tree, the banana. What have you come here to ask me?"

 

"Can you explain how, if the Name is a spiritual thing, how is it that we are all chanting it with a material tongue?" I asked, feeling quite foolish. After some silence he began to speak, "Nitai Chaitanya, Nitai Chaitanya," and then he proceeded:

"It cannot be uttered by a material tongue, nor can a material ear hear the Name. He (the Name) is adhoksaja, (beyond experimental knowledge), having reserved the right of not being exposed to organic senses. All the experience, knowledge and memories that we have are gleaned with the help of mundane sense perception. Our tongue is comprised mostly of earth and water elements; the nerve endings extending to all parts of the body carry charges of electricity, also a material element. If an object is too far away, it is not touchable, seeable, tastable, etc. if an object is too close, it is also imperceptible; we cannot see our own tilaka mark or even our own eyelids.

 

"When the senses are extended by microscopes and telescopes, these instruments have more range, but are still limited to the material sphere. The telescope cannot penetrate the outermost covering of the universe, the microscope lens is composed of atoms and therefore cannot see the atom or anything smaller than the atom. Likewise, the system of mental speculation is also inefficient to perceive the spiritual element. Mind is a material element whose density is very slight. Higher abstractions are no more spiritual than hard rocks. There is common belief that by extending the potency of the mind we can conceive of the infinite, but this process is defective. If the infinite can be confined in a limited mind, then it is not infinite. I don’t even know how many hairs are on my own head. Mental speculators grind their brains over abstract aphorisms of Zen and Upanisads and think that by their own power they can achieve something like infinity. The result is mental masturbation. The mind explodes and dies of exhaustion. And the reaction is deplorable i.e. total forgetfulness of the self and the infinite.

 

"There are channels by which the infinite descends. He is all power, glory, beauty, knowledge, wealth and renunciation. He is dominant, all-extending, free, and autocratic. The infinite cannot be contained in a limited sphere, as I’ve just said, but if He is really infinite then He has the power of making Himself known in all His fullness to the finite mind. When, out of His own prerogative, He takes the initiative and reveals Himself to the devotee, there is actual perception of Godhead, self realization, transcendental revelation. By the channel of transcendental sound He comes, by vibrating the spiritual tongue of the pure devotees representing Him to the world. The spiritual element vibrates the spiritual tongues of the perfect devotee’s audience, which have hitherto never been vibrated.

 

The pure devotee utters the Name of God. Our material ears hear some sound that resembles the transcendental Name of Krsna; our eardrum moves the liquid of the inner ear, half water and half air, which vibrates the ethereal element and touches our mind. At this point, soul has still been untouched, and there has been no genuine spiritual experience. By hearing with the mind's impressions, we enjoy the sound of the cymbals, the beat of the chant, the pleasant company and effect of listening and hearing. But it doesn’t stop here. Piercing the mind, the original sound uttered by gurudeva moves our intellect, and we consider philosophical and metaphysical truths. For millions of years, sages chanted this on the banks of many holy rivers. Ideas flood everywhere about the possible effects of the mantra. This, while being quite blissful, is not spiritual revelation in the true sense. Beyond the intelligence is the spiritual element, the soul, myself. That sound, having cut through all my senses including the mind and intellect, now vibrates the finest sentiments of my own real existence. This is the perception of the holy Name on the spiritual plane with my spiritual ear. Then, the soul inspired, recapitulates, sending vibration back into the intelligence, mind, and so on, the whole process inverted, out to my external tongue and we say 'Hare Krsna.' That Hare Krsna is He. And we dance in ecstasy.

 

"Sounds, sounds, sounds," His Holiness repeated slowly. "Sounds. Catch hold of the sounds. Seize the sound waves travelling within the ether, and your happiness in spiritual life is assured. One sage has explained in his sutra that massive epidemics are due to contamination of the ether by impure sound. When the lawyers and pleaders in court begin to tell lies in the name of justice, these sound vibrations contaminate the ether, which in turn contaminates the air and water which people breathe and drink, and epidemic is the result.

 

"When four-headed Brahma creates the universe, the seed ingredient is sound, OM. And from that om the Gayatri mantra is born, in this sound, the fourteen planetary galaxies sprout like whorls of spiralling stars and planets, with the sun situated in the very centre of the universe. Each planetary system is composed of a different sound uttered by Lord Brahma. Each galaxy provides the infinite jivas with their particular spheres of karma, dharma, artha, kama, and moksa. It is the function of Brahma to provide these different galaxies and planets according to the sinful and meritorious deeds of the innumerable jivas. Lord Brahma utters a different sound for each planetary system and his engineer, Sri Visvakarma, creates the planets according to those sounds. The subtle elements and gross elements are distributed in this way. In our planet, the predominating elements are earth and water. In other worlds, only water is found. On the sun, fire is the prominent element. If a spiritual individual, under the effects of illusion, or maya, wishes to end his gross existence, he may enter a planet of air, ether, mind or intelligence and live as a ghost.

 

"The individual jiva is also endowed with a particle of creative power. And the ordinary individual as well creates his tiny sphere of influence by sound. Some jivas' spheres of influence are no bigger than their own craniums, and some jivas have influence over a community, a nation, or even a whole planet. The beauty and harmony of their particular spheres of influence depends on the quality of sounds they produce.

 

When one nation tries to conquer another, the first points to capture are the radio stations, the newspapers, the journals - the lines of communication. By sending out its manifesto by sound, the government can move the former leaders from their posts and capture the country. Then, also by sound, the new government becomes established. If there should be any defect in that sound, then the whole thing is ruined. That is why there is so much alteration in the world situation. The sound of all these jivas is, to quote the Bible, 'Babel' Nonsensical sounds are entering and contaminating the ether, the air, the water, and the very molecular structure of each and every person, place and thing.

A person’s mind is composed of two functions, technically termed sankalpa and vikalpa. Sankalpa refers to the mind’s desire to join thoughts into concepts, theories and tables of theories. Vikalpa is the mind’s function of rejecting thoughts, simplifying and limiting experiences which are gathered through the senses of sight, sound, smell, taste and touch. Both functions are controlled by sound.

 

Here is an experiment: Close your eyes. When I repeat a number, you will see the number flash before your mind like a cash register. One....Three....Seven....Four.... The processes of sankalpa and vikalpa respectively make the thoughts come and go. This is a very simple form of the mind’s process. On a more complicated scale, there is the very risky business of intentionally invading the sound waves with defective sound. The lines of communication are filled with impure sound from the earliest of schoolbooks to the most advanced so-called philosophy. The White House filibusters are another excellent example of intentional pollution of sound channels. If we were to infuse spiritual sound into the ether, if we were to saturate the ether with the transcendental sound vibration of Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, this maha-mantra would purify, enlighten and saturate every being with its potencies.

 

In Sri Chaitanya’s eight verses, which comprise the final message of all spiritual instructions, the first verse gives five effects of the transcendental sound of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra as follows: Ceto-darpana-marjanam. It wipes the material dust from the mirror of the mind. The mind is like the intermediate connecting medium between the spirit and the material external covering called the body. The soul has no material activity. When covered by maya, or illusion, the soul remains dormant in a state of suspended animation. The magnitude of the soul is so great, however, that it infuses consciousness on all sides. Through the medium of the mind, the senses act and we know things. If this glass, the mind, is put out of focus by the external nature, we suffer confusion, pain, disease, and death. Yes, death is a state of mind only, as the soul has no death. By the mind we mistakenly think "Oh! I'm dying!I'm drowning!I'm giving birth!I'm sick!" etc. When the mind is cleansed by the maha-mantra, the mind is forcibly purified.

 

All the material concoctions, which are the cause of our suffering, are forcibly murdered, starved to death. They thrive on material sense pleasures. Flooding the mind with transcendental sound is just like stepping on the pin of a bomb. All those misconceptions of material suffering and enjoyment are shattered, murdered, and the material mind is conquered wholly, leaving no enemies behind. The mind then reflects the spiritual knowledge, quality and energy of the soul itself.

 

Bhava-maha-davagni-nirvapanam.

The fire of conditional life is thus extinguished. Nirvana, which most people are trying to understand from Buddhist texts, means extinguishing the fire of material existence. This body has been burning from the very beginning of its duration by the process of digestion. Biologists all declare that the body is a burning organism, giving off heat, water vapour and carbon dioxide. After seventy or more years, our body is consumed by that smouldering digestive fire, and we move into another body, only to burn up that one too. It is like chain smoking with the lit end of the cigarette you light up a fresh cigarette, and on and on. By the potency of the transcendental sound, the cause of that fire is extinguished.

 

Sreyah-kairava-candrikavitaranam vidyavadhujivanam.

The transcendental sound then spreads the light of benediction, peaceful suggestions and fearlessness, and no more anxieties invade the mind. We approach the world after coming out of the womb with many deep-rooted fears.

Is there safety? Is there happiness? Is there peace? The answer is the basic seed Om in this sense means one big spiritual yes. Om, yes - a positive answer. Simply by negating the mind, the questions of the soul are not satisfied; something positive must be given. The maha-mantra floods the mind with affirmative suggestions of the truth.

 

Anandambudhi-vardhanam pratipadam purnamrtasvadanam.

A full draught of an ocean of blissful nectar is served to the soul, who has been thirsty from time immemorial.

Sarvatma-snapanam param, vijayate sri-krsna-sankirtanam. This point has a twofold meaning, one external and one internal. Sarvatman means all souls. The holy Name bathes all souls with spiritual bliss, knowledge and love. The transcendental sound completely overcomes the soul with His sublime potencies. But atman has many meanings, as given by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.

 

Atman means the supreme absolute truth, the body, the mind, the intelligence, endeavour, conviction and nature. By uttering the pure sound of the maha-mantra one invades the very cause of everything that exists. The mind, body and soul, and even nature itself can be changed into transcendental nature by one heartfelt exclamation of Hare Krsna. Capture the sound waves which are the cause of every time of existence and saturate them with the holy Name. The result will be the total transformation of energy.

An asrama, temple, and all the paraphernalia in them, are all divine. The environment in which we live in the asrama is not the same as the one in which we were born. It is there‚ it is Goloka, and the more we progress in our sadhana the more He will reveal Himself to us.

 

These truths about the descent of the Hare Krsna mantra were alluded to by Jayadeva Goswami, jagat-guru, who has written a beautiful verse in description of this process: "O Hari Nama, You enter my ear and touch my heart, and tears flow from my eyes and fall to the ground, making soft clay, then my footprints are left for my successors to follow my way."

 

It must be noted that if the teacher is bogus, then that Name will not touch the spiritual spark within the coverings of the mind and body. It may sound the same, but it is not, just as milk and whitewash look the same, but they are altogether different.

 

Now many such artificial gurus are about, and this fact is, as it were, camouflaging the genuine devotees. If someone finds a treasure beneath a tree and marks the tree with his initials, he is unable to recall the original tree. This is now often the case, since false holy men are running rampant. But if one is fortunate enough to know the scriptures and tradition, and if one is truly sincere, he will find a genuine sadhu, hear the Name, and begin authentic spiritual life. Then he or she will find a great gift indeed.

 

The original sentiments invoked by the Name are concentrated, blissful recollections of the pastimes of Krsna as performed in the spiritual world. These sentiments are in all souls and are five in number, the neutral sentiment, the serving sentiment, the sentiment of friendship, parental sentiment, and the sentiment of intimate love. Krsna is called akhila-rasamrta-sindhu, the ocean of all transcendental sentiment. In the Bhagavad-gita Krsna says, ye yatha mam prapadyante, tams tathaiva bhajamyaham

"I reciprocate all the different services rendered to Me within the sphere of these different sentiments, or rasas." While all of these relationships or spiritual sentiments are on the self-same absolute platform, one may simultaneously acknowledge certain distinctions within them.

 

For example, Krsna exchanges loving sentiments with the neutral devotees, who do not take active engagement in His interest, at His own sweet time and liking. If He wants to play the flute He picks it up, and He sets it down when He likes. To His servants, He is the noble master. In this relationship there is more facility to please the Lord, to bring His food, His favourite clothing. Yet there is still some hindrance, since He may tell the servant to be gone, and the servant must obey out of duty. The friendship rasa has two stages. The first stage is friendship with feeling of respect and reverence. Arjuna has this type of friendly relationship with Krsna. He begs forgiveness from Krsna for unknowingly calling Him in jest or for associating with Him without bowing down, etc.

 

When friendship with Krsna is more developed, the respect and honourable formalities disappear. Jumping on Krsna’s shoulders, wrestling and playing as though Krsna were their equal, Sudama, Sridama and the other cowherd boys revel in endless sports. Sometimes they even consider Krsna their inferior "Oh, Krsna, He’s the youngest one of us. He is also the lightest. We can all overcome Him in wrestling, so go lightly with Him." As sugar cane juice is concentrated into molasses and then into crystals, so also the friendly rasa, with added feelings, develops into parental affection. "Krsna is my son", says Mother Yasoda. "I must always look after His needs and protection. If I don’t see Him for even five minutes I get so scared. I see huge trees falling on Him and horrible demons capturing Him. Oh, there You are! Why do You scare Your mother like that? Always stay in my presence, I cannot stand to have You out of sight." Even punishment of the beloved is seen in this intimate relationship.

 

As concentrated sugar becomes rock candy, so the parental exchange of rasas condenses further into conjugal love, in which there is complete dedication to the desires of Krsna, with no tinge of desire for one’s own pleasure. "I am Yours" - complete, unconditional surrender. "If you trample my body underfoot or embrace me too tightly, for Your pleasure I am happy. If You want to throw me into hell and keep me far from Your company, I am prepared to go. If You forget me, that’s okay, but I cannot forget You. You are always my beloved."

 

By this time His Holiness had become exhausted. After forty years of lecturing previous to the use of microphones, his voice had become very thin. We were only one inch apart, face to face. He sat there with his eyes, and it was clear that he was experiencing those things of which he spoke.

 

Just then the loud aratik gong began to toll in crescendo, reaching four loud blasts and reverberating into silence.

"Go down now. It’s time for aratika. Could you follow my words?"

Yes, I said.

"Did you like it?"

"Yes."

"That’s all right. Go down now."

 

[Guest guest]

The following is a purport given by Srila Bhakti Raksak Sridhar Maharaj of a song by Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur.

 

“My heart is just like a desert, hot with the rays of the sun. This is my internal mental condition. The desire for mortal things cannot satisfy me because by nature they are death-producing. And not one or two, but thousands of such death-producing desires have taken shelter in my mind, so my subconscious region is always burning. This is my condition. But somehow by the grace of the sadhu or Guru, the Holy Name of Krsna with its infinite prospect has entered through the holes of my ears and reached the plane of my heart. And there, with some peculiar hope, with infinite auspicious possibilities, it touched my heart with a new kind of nectar. New hope is aroused by that sound. Then by force it comes from the heart towards the tongue, not that by the endeavour of my tongue I am producing that sound – no. What came from the heart of a saint through my ear entered my heart and that forcibly appeared upon my tongue and began to dance. That is the Holy Name proper. It descends from above. It cannot be produced by the material form of this tongue, its source is above. And through an agent of the Absolute it comes through the ear to the heart. From the heart it gathers some sympathy, then the Holy Name of Krsna forcibly appears upon the tongue an begins to dance. With great force it comes to the end of the tongue and that sweet sound begins its dancing.

 

The real effects of the Divine Name have been described here. If it is a real and living Name, the voice will be choked up, there will be shivering in the body and the legs will be unable to stand. Sometimes tears will flow in a current on the body and one’s hairs will stand on end. Sometimes changes of colour will be found in the body and we will be unable to find any trace of the mind or consciousness. We may fall in a swoon, the whole body and mind will appear as if it is being attacked, shivering and influenced in different ways. Apparently it may seem that so many troubles are created in the body and the mind, but the real heart is overflowing with a particular kind of strange, sweet juice. Sometimes the devotee thinks, “I am in an ocean of nectar.” My whole existence is within an ocean of nectarine liquid. I am beside myself. I can’t understand where I am. Where am I? What is this? What is all about me? It has almost made me mad. Am I a madman?

 

Where is my past experience, my seriousness, my gravity, where are they? What am I? I have been converted wholesale by a foreign thing. I am a doll in the hands of a great force which is also so affectionate to me. I can’t ascertain how it is possible that by my faith I have entered this great unknown environment, inexperienced before. And at last I find that I am captivated. My entire being, within and without, has been captured by a particular sweet force. I can’t help being prey to such a sweet power. I can’t give any proper description of this. I came to take shelter under Him and accept Him as my guardian, now at His hand I am being dealt with in such a merciless and despotic way. Still, I feel that everything is very pleasing, beyond my experience. What is this? I can’t resist any more, I am fully captured. Let my fate go anywhere. I can’t come out. I am a captive in the hand of a sweet friend. My whole independence is gone. There is no way left to me but to surrender. I am unable to describe my real position. I find that He’s an autocrat. Whatever He likes to do, He will do. Since it is not possible for me to give any resistance, I must surrender. Let me also co-operate with whatever He is pleased to do, otherwise what can I do? I am helpless.”

 

Sometimes I find that the sweetness of the Name is condensed like a blossoming flower and very wonderful streams of sweet current are flowing from it. The Holy Name contains so many sweet variegated forms of current within Him and He is wonderfully expressing Himself in different ways. Sometimes He emanates a peculiar type of colour and figure and disappears. So many charming aspects are shown as if to my eyes within, and He forcibly takes me to surrender at the foot of that altar, shows Himself in His full-fledged form In Vrndavan, in His braja-lila with Radharani and He takes me there. I find that I am in the midst of His peculiar very sweet and loving paraphernalia. And He says, “You see! I have so many wonderful things. This is your home. I am not merely imagination, but concrete reality. You will find here that the environment is very favourable and sweet. You are to live here.” I see there that He is dealing in different ways with His associates in different rasas. And I find that I have another body that has emerged from my previous one and that has a permanent place here in His service. Such a new life I find here. And then I find ultimately that all consideration of my past life and experience has vanished. And it is true – my real life is here. This is proper and that was a sham, that life has vanished.

 

Then I find that chanting the Holy Name gives me new encouragement, a new prospect and new hope. Whatever we want, whatever is our internal demand, it is supplied by the Name. If we take the Name, all our internal hankerings will be fulfilled. It is eternal, it is the purest of the pure and it is full of ecstasy. Now I find I have been completely converted. Now my innermost hankering is this – let whatever is against this sweet Name vanish eternally from the world. If anything is in opposition to this sweet life, let it vanish and if necessary, I will give my life to make it disappear from the world forever. Then others will be able to enjoy it at their free will. No hindrance should come to that fulfilment of life, it has no other second. So everyone may come here and if necessary I will sacrifice myself to finish any opposition, so that all can smoothly, peacefully and without any danger enjoy this Absolute, sweet and blissful life.”

 

[Pankaja_Dasa]

 

But you need to chant more. Or if your already chanting, then you need to work on doing everything you can to make it better. Not that I follow this rule, but when you get so sick of yourown self, [body] and mind etc. You come to realize that Mayas only job is to stop you from chanting. This is realized knowledge. She'll put all kinds of impediments, you are clever devotees. I bet you can see it coming, but the trick is we believe we are doing it. Check the verse in the Gita:

 

ahankara vimudadatma karta ham iti manyate.

 

If you still don't believe this is true, then again your in Maya. I am telling you Prabhu, its a vicious circle. It's like looking outside inside. This is how Maya works, and 99%.9 of the people don't know this. Only In Krishna Consciousness have I found this out. And by THE GRACE of Srila Prabhupada. Here you got for a quote-

 

 

Bhagavad-gétä 2.39

--

London, September 12, 1973

BG 2.39__Supreme Deceiver And Lover__12sep73_LO.MP3

 

Everything is being supplied by Kåñëa. Therefore He’s Supreme Being. How He can be supreme? Just like in a family the father is considered to be supreme. Why? Because he takes care of the whole family, he is supreme. Similarly, the Supreme Person, Kåñëa, He takes care of the whole creation, material and spiritual, innumerable universes, and therefore He’s sup... So when we act according to the direction of the Supreme... Because we are subordinate. This is our position. A subordinate position is that he must act according to the direction of the master or the supreme. That is natural. Everyone is acting like that. So that is called buddhi-yoga. When you act according to the direction of the Supreme, Kåñëa, or His representative, that is called <font color="red"> buddhi-yoga</font color> . That is real... Buddhi means intelligence, and yoga means linking, connecting. In the Tenth Chapter you’ll find,

 

teñäà satata-yuktänäà

bhajatäà préti-pürvakam

dadämi buddhi-yogaà taà

yena mäm upayänti te

[bg. 10.10]

 

There is the buddhi-yoga, one word, and here is also the buddhi-yoga. So what is that buddhi-yoga? Kåñëa says, teñäà satata-yuktänäm: “Persons who are twenty-four-hours engaged,” satata... Satata means always. Engaged. What kind of engagement? Bhajatäà préti-pürvakam. This engagement means always trying to render some service to the Lord. How? Préti-pürvakam: “with love and faith.” Not that “Oh, I have to do it? All right, let me do.” No. “Oh, I have to do it? Let me do it nicely.” Unless there is love, you cannot do it nicely, any matter. In the material world also, unless you have got some attachment for something, you cannot act it very nicely. Just like a musician. Because one has got a good attachment for music, he tries to perform it very perfectly. So love is the basis. Similarly, when you serve Kåñëa, if you have no love for Kåñëa, you cannot serve Him very nicely. And Kåñëa also does not accept your service if it is not done in great love and affection. That is the basic principle. Kåñëa does not require your service. He is self-sufficient. He has got many servants anywhere and everywhere. So Kåñëa does not require our service. It is our interest. If we render service to Kåñëa, then we become happy. That is the profit.

---

 

Well I doubt you can find a better quote than this, if so post it /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[krsna]

From the Great Favor,

a Harmonist article,

 

by Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta

Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada:

 

"A chanter of the Kirtan of Hari is necessarily the uncompromising

enemy of wordliness and hypocrisy. As chanter of the Kirtan of Hari,

it

is the constant function to dispell all misconceptions by the

preaching

of the truth in the most unambiguous form without any respect of

person, place or time. That form is to be adopted which is least

likely

to be misunderstood. It is his bounden duty to oppose clearly and

frankly any person who tries to deceive and harm himself and other

people by misrepresenting the Truth due to malice or bonafide

misunderstanding.

 

This will be possible if the chanter of Kirtan is always prepared to

submit to be trodden by thoughtless people if any discomfort to

himself

will enable him to do good to his persecutors by chanting the Truth in

the most unambiguous manner. If he is unwilling or afraid of

considerations of self-respect or personal discomfort to chant the

Kirtan under all circumstances he is unfit to be a preacher of the

Absolute Truth. Humility implies perfect submission to the Truth and

no

sympathy for untruth. A person who entertains any partiality for

untruth is unfit to chant the kirtan of Hari. Any clinging to untruth

is opposed to the principle of humility born of absolute submission to

the truth.

 

Those who serve the Truth at all time, by means of all their

faculties,

and have no hankering for the trivialities of this world, are always

necessarily free from malice born of competing worldliness and are,

therefore, fit to admonish those who are actively engaged in harming

themselves and others by the method of opposing or misrepresenting the

Truth in order to attain rewards of such policy in the shape of a

perpetuation of the state of misery and ignorance. The method which is

employed by the servant of the good preceptor for preventing such

misrepresentation of the truth is a part and parcel of the truth

itself.

 

It may not always be pleasing to the diseased susceptibilities of

deluded minds and may even be denounced by them as a malicious act

with

which they are only too familiar, but the words of truth from the lips

of a loyal and humble servant of Hari possess such beneficent power

that all effort to suppress or obstruct them only serves to vindicate

to impartial minds the necessity of complete submission to the

Absolute

Truth as the only cure of the disease of wordliness. Humility that is

employed in the unambiguous service of the Truth is necessarily and

qualitatively different from its perverted prototype which is

practised

by the cunning people of this world for gaining their worldly ends.

The

professors of pseudo-humility have reason to be afraid of the

preachings of the servants of Hari -- one of whose duties is to expose

the enormous possibility of mischief that is possessed by the forms of

so-called spiritual conduct -- when they are taken to task for serving

the untruth.

 

[theist]

 

But you need to chant more. Or if your already chanting, then you need to work on doing everything you can to make it better.

 

 

Certainly you are correct. I have basically no taste for chanting at this time. I must recapture what ever little spark I once had.

 

Such straight forward instruction is true friendship and I appreciate it Pankaja.

[Pankaja_Dasa]

 

Such straight forward instruction is true friendship and I appreciate it Pankaja.

 

 

Jai you brought a tear to my eye. /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

I should also take my own advice. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[AncientMariner]

Maybe what William Blake said is true when he said "True friendship is opposition"

 

 

"My songs can make you cry, take you by surprise at the same time, make you dry your eyes with the same rhyme. See what your seeing is a genius at work, so its easy to misinterpret it at first cause when I speak its tongue in cheek. I'd yank my teeth before I'd ever bite my tongue, slice my gums, get struck by lightning twice at once and die and come back as Vanilla Ice's son and walk around the rest of my life spit on, kicked and hit with sh*t everytime I sung, like R. Kelly as soon as Bump and Grind Comes on." - Eminem