Is Gitmo "the gulag of our time"???

[Guest guest]

On the one hand, they say pakistn is an ally, but they dont even hesitate to humiliate them in this manner. Is this how america treats its friends?

[Guest guest]

I can speculate that the Pakis squeezed about every drop of 411 out of him.

 

HEY!!! At least they didn't put panties on his head.... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

But, not to worry. We have amazing drugs like scopalamine and even better (but classified, so I won't speak of them) to determine if the Pakis are any good at interrogation! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[theist]

he doesn't look like he just came from the spa. LOL

 

I once saw this TV program on sat called Karachi Cops. Patterened after Cops they followed the Paki cops as they bust a heroine dealer.

 

When they brought this one possible witness in for some info. this cop just started doing some rapid fire punching on his chest to speed up the answers. Like he was working a heavy bag. No good cop bad cop routine they didn't even offer him a soda or a chair just a few minutes of incentive. The answers came.

[Guest guest]

Amoghalila prabhu, he can tell you some Paki stories. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

He actually goes into that third world hellhole and preaches to them. If they catch him, well....... /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[krsna]

 

Ahora.cu / 09-06-2005

 

Former US President Jimmy Carter called on the Bush administration to close the prison at the US naval base in Guantanamo, Cuba in order to end "the terrible embarrassment and a blow to [the US's] reputation."

 

 

In recent statements from a two-day human rights conference in Atlanta, Carter said that the current US administration is continuing to discredit itself in light of ongoing reports of offenses against prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo.

 

 

The US Nobel Peace laureate said that the Washington must inform the detainees of the charges against them, and that no inmate should be held incommunicado.

 

 

Carter's demand joined others, such as the appeal made by US Senator Joseph Biden, the highest ranking Democrat on the Senate's Foreign Affairs Committee. Biden demanded the shutting down of the Guantanamo prison last week. In statements to the ABC television network, the senator described the prison at the illegally occupied base in Cuba as "shameful."

 

 

Previously The New York Times had suggested that President Bush shut down the detention center, where some 540 persons are being held with no access to legal counsel. In its editorial, the US newspaper pointed out that many international organizations have criticized the Bush administration for torture inflicted on inmates and for desecrating Islam's sacred Koran. (From AIN)

 

 

[Guest guest]

War On Terror: In their rush to bash the Bush administration, apologize for Islam and maintain their claim to the mantle of tolerance, the media elite have missed the real story of Guantanamo Bay.

 

To wit: Far from disrespecting the faith of Muslim detainees at Gitmo, the U.S. catered to their religious needs. Yes, the Pentagon now confirms a few cases in which the Quran was accidentally mishandled by guards at the prison for terror suspects. But the bizarre fact that al-Qaida and Taliban enemy combatants were even supplied Qurans is lost on the liberal media.

 

No German prisoners during WWII were provided copies of "Mein Kampf," for example. Yet the military passed out 1,300 paperback copies of the Muslim holy book in 13 languages to Gitmo detainees. It also gave them prayer beads to finger.

 

But don't stop there. Gitmo command even served prisoners Muslim-approved meals free of pork.

 

And none of this was done after the International Red Cross complained of mistreatment. It was original policy.

 

In March 2002, the Pentagon brought in a Muslim chaplain by the name of Abuhena Saifulislam to minister to Gitmo prisoners around the clock. He called them to prayer, privately ministered to them in Arabic and Urdu and trained Gitmo guards to respect Muslim customs.

 

In a touching gesture, Saifulislam even recommended that prisoners be treated to a traditional meal of dates and lamb during one major Muslim holiday. They got their feast.

 

In short, we bent over backward to honor their religious customs. Gulag? More like Dar al-Gitmo.

 

Still, now that the Pentagon has confirmed some cases of Quran mishandling (though not the toilet-flushing incident Newsweek first reported), suspicions are growing throughout the Muslim world that it was part of official U.S. interrogation policy designed to rattle Muslim detainees. That couldn't be further from the truth.

 

If a few rogue guards mishandled the Quran, they went against official policy, which called for using prisoners' sacred book and other religious "comfort items" as incentives for cooperation.

 

Gitmo brass even let many of them keep their bushy beards, which Islamists wear as a sign of devotion to their faith; even though forced grooming is standard operating procedure in prisons to control for lice and weapons.

 

Meanwhile, the Pentagon has ordered U.S. troops not to do anything to express or display their religion in the presence of Muslims, lest we offend them. So the bad guys behind barbed wire can be religious; but not our soldiers guarding them.

 

And here's the most outrageous part: Though desecrating holy books isn't official policy in the U.S., it is in many of the Muslim countries that continue to condemn the U.S. for minor Gitmo incidents by rogue MPs.

 

In Saudi Arabia, for one, religious police shred Bibles brought into that country by Christians. For that matter, they're known to even confiscate books brought in by Muslim pilgrims traveling to Mecca if they espouse doctrines counter to Wahhabism, the kingdom's official religion.

 

<h3>Perhaps these countries should first remove the log from their own eyes before rioting over the speck in ours.</h3>

 

Contrary to reports, our PC-obsessed military went overboard to respect the faith of al-Qaida and Taliban terrorists at Gitmo; ironically nourishing the very source of the murderous hatred that got them locked up there in the first place.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

1. If Gitmo is closed, the prisoners, AND the complaints, will go elsewhere. (Is Senator Mel Martinez really that clueless?)

 

2. The Geneva Conventions do NOT apply to anyone captured in plain clothes, behind the lines, hiding among civilians (and also killing civilians). Anyone can read the Geneva Conventions for themselves. Fighters/soldiers must meet four conditions to be covered. Terrorists fail to meet at least three of those.

 

These are not “insurgents.” Insurgents are people who disagree with their group. Senators Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee are insurgents. If you don’t want to say “terrorists,” use “assassins.” Google the word assassin and note its origins in Indian history. “Religious fanatics who murder civilians.” Sounds like a fit, to me.

 

What treatment do assassins/terrorists warrant, bare minimum? A drumhead trial, and prompt execution. Google Nathan Hale, or Major John Andre, to see why they got such trials and executions during the America Revolution.

 

3. Even if the prisoners at Gitmo WERE subject to the Geneva Convention, how long could they be held, and under what conditions?

 

Does the phrase “for the duration” mean anything to the press? Or to any Members of Congress, currently mouthing off on this subject? In every war ever fought – once most nations outgrew the idea of slaughtering all prisoners – the captured fighters were held until the war ended (unless ransomed out, like Chaucer, among others).

 

During World War II we had camps for prisoners many places, as needed. There was even a German POW camp in Arkansas. Don’t believe me? Google it. And NONE of those prisoners were entitled to lawyers, trials, etc.

 

The Americans who hit the beach at Iwo Jima, or Normandy, or anywhere else, did not go in with arrest warrants, and printed cards to read captured Japanese or Germans their Miranda rights. They went in with rifles and hand grenades. Their task was to kill as many of the enemy as possible, while preserving their own lives.

 

I repeat the words of General George Patton, that entirely too few Americans apparently have heard, or understood. “You do not win a war by dying for your country. You win by making some other b*stard die for his country.” While we are quoting famous generals for statements that any fool, even a reporter or a Congressman, should know, add this from William Tecumseh Sherman, “War is hell.”

 

4. What about the “lack of an exit plan?” Anyone who even asks this question is demonstrating a thundering ignorance of history. As World War II makes very clear, our exit strategy then was: Win the war. Take over the country. Destroy the war culture. Turn the nation into a stable, democratic one with a free market economy. That new nation, unlike the defeated one, will then become an ally of the US.

 

We never announced, in advance, when we would withdraw troops from Germany, nor how many troops we would take out. If we had done that, the Werewolves who were set up by the Nazis to continue fighting after the surrender, would have run to ground. They would have come out to fight after the date we had announced it would become easier.

 

Let me shorten that, so even the dumbest Congressman or the most biased reporter for the New York Times can understand it. A competent exit plan means: Win. Straighten things out. Come home.

 

Anyone who thinks he/she can predict exactly when the US military will be able to win and then come home, should practice by predicting next month’s stock prices. That way, if they are wrong, they will not be betting with the lives of Americans.

 

5. What is the cost of this war in our blood?

 

I’ve written about this before, so I’ll be brief here. Of the eleven major wars the US has fought including our Revolution, this is the LEAST bloody war measured by deaths per month. Don’t believe me? Google the statistics. Look it up. Then quit writing and/or believing cr*p about how costly this war is.

 

While you are at it, look up the statistics on how many young American men die, per thousand, in auto accidents, shootings, and other causes here in the US, as opposed to in Iraq. Use deaths per thousand. Try comparing Baghdad to Detroit, to use an example not entirely at random.

 

To press and politicians, I say: Research the facts. Tell the truth. Quit being dumb as a brick. Is that so d*mned difficult?

 

----Congressman BillyBob

 

 

 

[theist]

I met this one Pakistani in Hrisikesh. neck beads mala etc. and so I mentioned Krsna as he had "that vibe". He was a devotee who was pursuing the teaching of Srila Prabhupada as it turned out. I remember the first thing he asked me when he found out I was from America, "Do you know Amogalila?" I was amazed.

 

Must have some big brass ones and a lot of faith.

[Guest guest]

and fearless. (He's also GBC Pakistan, I heard). Anyways, if you run accross him, offer my dandavats and say Haribol for me.

[theist]

Will do gladly.