Sri Ram Temple attacked in ayodhya today !

[Guest guest]

Yes, terrorists are giving Islam a bad name. So just call them terrorists, why label them as Muslims?

 

Names mean nothing. If a person with a Muslim name commits terrorism, he's no longer a Muslim.

 

Reg. justification, if you are a Hindu and commit terrorism. Also, justify it by saying hindusim says so, does that make you a hindu terrorist? No, you're just a terrorist with no religion.

[gHari]

 

The word "JIHAD". How dull-witted can one man be? They sit in their caves glorifying each other's murders saying "All praise to Allah and blah blah blah". Would you also not call Mohammad a Muslim?

 

[vijay]

Muslims emphatically insist that the Jihad, or Holy War, was only a means of defence and was never used as an offensive act. This is underlined in the explanatory notes of the Sahih Muslim:

 

 

"Jihad in Islam is not an act of violence directed indiscriminately against the non-Muslims; it is the name given to an all-round struggle which a Muslim should launch against evil in whatever form or shape it appears. Fighting in the way of Allah is only one aspect of Jihad. Even this in Islam is not an act of mad brutality....It has MATERIAL and MORAL functions, i.e. self-preservation and the preservation of the moral order in the world." ("Sahih Muslim, III, page 938 - explanatory note).

"The sword has not been used recklessly by the Muslims; it has been wielded purely with humane feelings in the wider interest of humanity" (ibid. page 941 - also explanatory note).

 

The materialistic purpose.

 

Let us investigate how this claim is supported by the actual facts of history.

 

 

"Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence.Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).

One could also call it robbery in self-defence, if there is such a thing.

 

 

"The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:

'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).

This is reasonable - though one would, perhaps, object to war as a means of income. This income, no doubt, is at the expense of someone's livelihood. But let us look at Muslim warfare in practice:

 

 

"When an infidel's country is conquered (in self-defence?) by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:

 

The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered became enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state;

The payment of a poll-tax (Jazyah) by which unbelievers in Islam obtained "protection" and become Zimmis, provided they were not idolaters (of Arabia);

Death by the sword to those who would not pay the poll-tax. ("Dictionary of Islam", page 243).

 

"....Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...."(Sura 9:5).

 

"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them...."(Sura 47:4).

 

"....Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute..." (Sura 9:29).

 

"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39).

 

"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).

 

All of the above texts are contradicted by:

 

 

"There is no compulsion in religion".

From the Hadayah (II, page 140) we learn with regard to the Jihad, that:

 

 

"To whichever village you go and settle therein, there is your share therein, and whichever village disobeys Allah and His Messenger, its one-fifth is for Allah and His Messenger and the remainder is for you." ("Mishkat" II, page 412).

"In the actual war-field in the midst of hostilities, some concessions were sometimes given to soldiers for recreation. Captive virgin girls in war were once made lawful for the soldiers for copulation. "(ibid. page 440 and "Sahih Muslim" II, pages 705-707).

 

What is right today cannot be wrong tomorrow, otherwise we have an example of situational ethics.

 

To an objective observer the following picture emerges: interest in material gain was as important as the making of converts One cannot help feeling that the Holy War was a pretence to make booty and receive continuing taxes. This must have persuaded many a man to join the Holy War and thus to become a mercenary. This interest no doubt gave enormous political and military momentum to the cause of Mohammed. Each warrior had a right to the belongings of the man he had slain, and could sell for ransom any prisoner he had made. Women and children were also reckoned as booty and a Muslim saw no moral irregularity in taking married woman prisoners as concubines as long as they were not pregnant. He would also have his share of the combined booty, of which; however, one-fifth belonged to Mohammed (and in the case of no fight taking place, it belonged to him totally). We are aware, however, that Mohammed never lived an extravagant life or hoarded goods. On the contrary, he was most generous in every aspect, particularly to the poor, to orphans and to widows.

 

Taxes could be very harsh indeed as in the case of the defeated Jews who lived in Khaiber. They

 

 

"were allowed to stay in Khaiber on condition that they would pay half the produce of their lands to the Holy Prophet and in addition Jazyah tax". ("Mishkat" II, page 455, footnote).

"After the Battle of Badr, the verse dealing with the booties was first revealed. The verse introduced the rule for the first time that the spoils of war would be the property of the soldiers who actually take part in the battle...THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS why the soldiers of Islam fought tooth and nail. They would get Paradise in case of death in a Holy War, and booties in the case of CONQUEST. Jihad is therefore the best source of all acquisitions." ("Mishkat" II, page 406, explanatory note).

 

Jihad "is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and (sic) CONQUEST of a country, which cannot be equal to any other source of earnings." (ibid. page 253, explanatory note).

 

"In the battle of Muraisi with Banu Mustalig, the booties gained were nearly 200 camels and 5 000 goats. In the campaign of Hunain, the booties that fell to the hands of the Muslims were 24 000 sheep, 4 000 silver coins and innumerable camels. In the Battle of Badr and Uhud, the booties were also great." (ibid. page 406).

 

[Guest guest]

 

 

Yes, terrorists are giving Islam a bad name. So just call them terrorists, why label them as Muslims?

 

 

They are terrorists because they are Muslims & their acts are endorsed by their religion. Your argument that terrorists have no religion makes no sense in any way.

 

If it talks like a duck & walks like a duck, then it has got be a duck.

 

[Guest guest]

 

Yes, terrorists are giving Islam a bad name. So just call them terrorists, why label them as Muslims?

 

 

 

Please confirm these verses if you want from an authentic koran tanslation :-

 

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

 

Quran Surah 2: The Cow

 

Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6

Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10

A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104

For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114

Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126

The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162

They will not emerge from the Fire. 167

Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174

How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191

War is ordained by Allah. 216

Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217

Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257

Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264

"Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286

 

Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran

 

Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4

Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10

Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12

Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21

Theirs will be a painful doom. 77

All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91

Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6

Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116

The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131

We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151

Theirs will be an awful doom. 176

Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177

Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178

Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196

 

Quran Surah 4: Women

 

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14

For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18

For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37

Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74

Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.)

Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115

Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137

For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138

Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140

The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145

You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151

For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169

 

Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread

 

Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 10

Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah)

Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36

Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72

Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73

Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 86

 

Quran Surah 6: The Cattle

 

Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6

Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49

Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70

When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125

Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128

 

Quran Surah 7: The Heights

 

How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5

Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27

Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30

Only believers go to heaven. 32

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36

Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38

Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41

Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50

Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 177

 

Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War

 

Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12

Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14

When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 15-16

Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35

Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 36

The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 50

The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 55

Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65

A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67

 

Surah 9: Repentance

 

Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5

Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17

Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39

Disbelievers go to hell. 49

Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60

Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63

Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73

Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74

For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113

Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123

 

Quran Surah 10: Jonah

 

Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4

Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8

Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13

Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70

Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73

Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88

 

Quran Surah 11: Hud

 

Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17

Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19

Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7

Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 119

 

Quran Surah 13: The Thunder

 

Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5

Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14

Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 18

Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34

The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35

 

Quran Surah 14: Abraham

 

Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2

Allah sends some people astray. 4

Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17

Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27

Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50

 

Quran Surah 15: The Rock

 

Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3

Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 39-43

Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 50

 

Quran Surah 16: The Bee

 

Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9

Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22

Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 27-29

Disbelievers are liars. 39

Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88

Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94

 

Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel

 

Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8

Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10

Allah destroyed entire towns. 16

How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17

Allah intends to burn people in hell. 18

Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46

Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58

Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98

 

Quran Surah 18: The Cave

 

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29

Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53

The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57

There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58

Allah has destroyed many towns. 59

On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100

Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 102

Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 106

 

Quran Surah 19: Mary

 

Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 69-70

Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79

Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83

Allah has destroyed many generations. 98

 

Quran Surah 20: Ta Ha

 

Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 127

Allah has destroyed many generations. 128

 

Quran Surah 21: The Prophets

 

Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 6

The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 15

Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 39-40

Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot . He was a righteous man. (Genesis 19:7-38) 75

Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 77

The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 97-99

 

Surah 22: The Pilgrimage

 

The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 3-4

Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 9

Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 15

Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 19-22

Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 25

How many towns Allah has destroyed! 45

Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 51

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 57

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 72

 

Quran Surah 23: The Believers

 

Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 27

Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 74-77

When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 104

Disbelievers will not be successful. 117

 

Surah 24: The Light

 

Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 2

Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 3

Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 26

Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 31

Disbelievers are miscreants. 55

Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 57

It's okay for believers to own slaves. 58

The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 62

 

Quran Surah 25: The Criterion

 

Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 11-13

Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 19

It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 26-27

Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 36

Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 37

 

Quran Surah 26: The Poets

 

Allah destroyed the people in Lot 's town with a dreadful rain. 172-3

Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 201

Those who believe in another god are doomed. 213

 

Quran Surah 27: The Ant

 

Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 4-5

"Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 51

But he "saved those who believed." 53

Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 58

Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 90

 

Quran Surah 28: The Narrative

 

Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 58

Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 62-64

Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 79-81

Never help disbelievers. 86 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

 

Quran Surah 29: The Spider

 

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 23

Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 49

Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 52

The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 53-55

 

Quran Surah 30: The Romans

 

Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him. 13-14

Disbelievers will be brought to doom. 16

It's OK to own slaves. 28

Allah does not love disbelievers. 45

Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 59

 

Quran Surah 31: Luqman

 

Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 6-7

Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 23-24

 

Quran Surah 32: The Prostration

 

Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 13

Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 14

Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 20

The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 22

 

Quran Surah 33: The Clans

 

Don't obey disbelievers. 1 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?)

Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 19

Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 25-26

Allah gave Zeyd’s wife, his own daughter in law to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 37

Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 48

It's OK to own slaves. 50

Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 50-51

It's OK to own slaves. 55

Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 57

Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 60-61

Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 64-65

The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 66-68

 

Quran Surah 34: Saba

 

Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5

Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8

But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12

Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 38

Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41

Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45

Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52

 

Quran Surah 35: The Angels

 

Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7

Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8

Allah hates disbelievers. 26

Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7

He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39

Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them.

 

Quran Surah 36: Ya Sin

 

They will go to hell anyway. 8-10

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 31

If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 43

Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 63-4

 

Quran Surah 37: Those Who Set The Ranks

 

Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 31-38

Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 62-68

Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 82

Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 102

Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 136

No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 162-3

Quran Surah 38: Sad

 

Allah has destroyed many generations. 3

Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 8

Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 14

Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 26

Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 27

The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 55-9

Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 79-85

 

Quran Surah 39: The Troops

 

Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 8

The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 15-16

No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 19

Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 22

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 23

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 32

Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 36

Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 54-55

Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 60

Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 63

Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 65

Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 71-72

 

Quran Surah 40: The Believer

 

Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 6

Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 10

When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 18

Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 22

Those that Allah sends astray will have no helper or guide. 33

Allah deceives those who doubt. 34

The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 43

The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 46

Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 49-50

Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 56

Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 60

Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 63

Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 70-72

Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in? 73

Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 74

Those who scorn will go to hell. 76

When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 84-85

 

Quran Surah 41: Fusilat

 

Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 6

Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 15-16

The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 19-20

Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 27-28

Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 50

 

Quran Surah 42: The Counsel

 

While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 7

Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 16

Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 34

Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 44-46

Allah makes some people barren. (Whenever he feels like it.) 50

 

Quran Surah 43: Ornaments of God

 

When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 55

Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 65-66

The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 74-75

 

Quran Surah 44: Smoke

 

Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 11-16

Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 43-48

 

Quran Surah 45: Crouching

 

Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 7-8

Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be an awful doom. 9-10

Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a painful doom of wrath. 11

Allah sends some people astray, making it impossible for them to hear or see. 23

Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 31

 

Quran Surah 46: The Wind-Curved Sandals

 

Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 20

The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 25

Allah has destroyed entire towns. 27

Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 34

 

Quran Surah 47: Muhammad

 

Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 1

Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 3

Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 4

Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 8-9

Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 12

Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 15

Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 23

Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 27

Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 32

Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 34-35

 

Quran Surah 48: Victory

 

Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 6

Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 13

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 16-17

But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 19-20

Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 25

Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 29

 

Quran Surah 49: The Private Apartments

 

Do not lift your voice when in Muhammad's presence. Those who subdue their voices are righteous and will receive an immense reward from Allah. 1-3

 

Quran Surah 50: Oaf

 

Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36

 

Quran Surah 51: The Winnowing Winds

 

Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 10-14

Woe to the disbelievers. 60

 

Quran Surah 52: The Mount

 

Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 11-16

Those who disbelieve are trapped. 42

 

Quran Surah 54: The Moon

 

Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot 's family. 34

The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 46-48

Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 51

 

Quran Surah 55: The Beneficent

 

The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 43-44

 

Quran Surah 56: The Event

 

But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 42-43

Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 51-54

Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 92-94

 

Quran Surah 57: Iron

 

The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 15

Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 19

 

Quran Surah 58: She That Disputeth

 

For disbelievers is a painful doom. 4

For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 5

Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 14-15

Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 16-17

Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 20

On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 22

 

Quran Surah 59: Exile

 

Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 2-3

The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 11

The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 16-17

The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 20

 

Quran Surah 60: She That is to be Examined

 

Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 1

Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9

Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 13

 

Quran Surah 61: The Ranks

 

Allah loves those who fight for him. 4

Allah leads some people astray. 5

The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 7

 

Quran Surah 62: The Congregation

 

A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 5

 

Quran Surah 63: The Hypocrites

 

Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 3

Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 4

Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 6

 

Quran Surah 64: Mutual Disillusion

 

Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 5

Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 10

 

Quran Surah 66: Banning

 

Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 5

The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 6

Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 9

The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 10

Quran Surah67: The Sovereignty

 

Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 6-7

Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 28

 

Quran Surah 69: The Reality

 

Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 30-35

 

Quran Surah 71: Noah

 

Those that Allah drowned in Noah's flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 25

Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 26

 

Quran Surah 72: The Jinn

 

The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 15-17

Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 23

 

Quran Surah 73: The Enshrouded One

 

Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 11-13

 

Quran Surah 74: The Cloaked One

 

The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 9-10

Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 16-17

The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 27-29

Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 31

Allah is the font of fear. 56

 

Quran Surah 76: "Time" or "Man"

 

Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 4

Don't obey disbelievers. 24

 

Quran Surah 77: The Emissaries

 

Allah destroyed "the former folk." 16

Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 19, 24, 28, 34, 40, 45, 49

 

Quran Surah 79: "Those Who Drag Forth"

 

Those who rebel will go to hell. 37-39

 

 

Quran Surah 80: "He Frowned"

 

Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 40-42

 

 

Quran Surah 82: The Cleaving

 

The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82

 

Quran Surah 84: The Sundering

 

Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 11-12

Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 22-24

 

Quran Surah 87: The Most High

 

Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 12-13

 

Quran Surah 88: The Overwhelming

 

On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 2-7

 

Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 23-24

 

 

Quran Surah 89: The Dawn

 

Allah poured on them the disaster of His punishment. 13

 

Quran Surah 90: The City

 

Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 19-20

 

Quran Surah92: The Night

 

Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 14-16

[Guest guest]

Yes all muslims are terrorists. Do u know APJ Abdul kalam,The president of India.He ought to be a terrorist.Why did he make India a nuclear power.God knows. Indian actors Shahrukh Khan,Aamir khan, Salman Khan,Saif ali Khan all are terrorists. Social activists Shabana Azmi,Nafisa Ali all are terrorists.

And we are Hindus. We need to protect Hinduism. Lets leave our work,students leave ur studies, professionals leave ur work. Come on lets go to Ayodhya and build the Raam temple there. Come on , what are u waiting for.Temple will bring peace in Ayodhya and in India.When all the Muslims are terrorists , lets take a gun and start killing all the muslims. Can u tell me where do they sell AK-47s.

 

"Sarva Dharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja,

Ahamtva sarva paapebhyo moksheshyaami maashuchaha".

 

May Lord save ur souls....

[Guest guest]

 

Yes all muslims are terrorists. Do u know APJ Abdul kalam,The president of India.He ought to be a terrorist.Why did he make India a nuclear power.God knows. Indian actors Shahrukh Khan,Aamir khan, Salman Khan,Saif ali Khan all are terrorists. Social activists Shabana Azmi,Nafisa Ali all are terrorists.

And we are Hindus. We need to protect Hinduism. Lets leave our work,students leave ur studies, professionals leave ur work. Come on lets go to Ayodhya and build the Raam temple there. Come on , what are u waiting for.Temple will bring peace in Ayodhya and in India.When all the Muslims are terrorists , lets take a gun and start killing all the muslims. Can u tell me where do they sell AK-47s.

 

"Sarva Dharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja,

Ahamtva sarva paapebhyo moksheshyaami maashuchaha".

 

May Lord save ur souls....

 

 

SO YOU THINK THIS IS A JOKE !

 

It will come to what you have said above IF WE DO NOT OPENLY DISCUSS, this issue.

 

Humanity's future depends on this. There is still time to solve this thourgh open discussion among us on WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN?

 

Here is an exellent analysis :

 

 

We Shall Prevail!...Or Will We?

--

 

by: Ali Sina

 

2005/07/07

 

"We shall prevail and they shall not," was the reassuring statement read by the shaken British Prime Minster Tony Blair, flanked by fellow G-8 leaders in response to four terrorist attacks against civilians in London today, July 7, 2005, that killed at least 40 people and injured 700. Among them, at least 45 are in serious or critical condition, including amputations, fractures and burns. These are only preliminary numbers. The count of casualties will certainly rise.

 

Blair added: "Whatever they do, it is our determination that they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country and in other civilized nations throughout the world,"

 

That is a heartening promise and it this time that the Great Britain is hit by the worst attack since Hitler, it is most welcomed. But is there any substance to it, or is it just a pep talk?

 

Unfortunately the promise that we shall prevail is an empty promise. The question is how we can prevail when we are not even fighting against the enemy? Billions of dollars are being spent and wars are being waged yet the enemy is not even identified let alone targeted. If anyone thinks the war against Islamic terrorism can be won the way our politicians are waging it, he is deluding himself. We are fighting this war defensively. No war was ever won fighting it defensively.

 

Even that is an overstatement. The truth is we are just sitting ducks for the terrorists to hit us at anytime they want. The truth is that we are helpless. Each one of us can become the target of some sort of terrorist attack and there is nothing we can do about it. We are like frogs with a snake in the pond. As long as the snake is loose, anyone of us can be hit at anytime and all the assurances and hazard alerts have no other value than making us feel better.

 

To fight this war, first we have to identify snake. The snake is an ideology. It is an ideology that promotes hate and incites violence. This ideology is called Islam.

 

One commuter evacuated from a subway train at King’s Cross station reported: “It was chaos. The one haunting image was someone whose face was totally black and pouring with blood."

 

A doctor rushing to the scene of one of the blasts said: “The front of BMA house was completely splattered with blood and not much of the bus was left,”

 

A surviving passenger who was sitting in front of the bus that exploded killing ten people, said: " The roof flew off and went up about 10 meters (30 feet). It then floated back down," he said. "There were obviously people badly injured. A parking attendant said he thought a piece of human flesh had landed on his arm."

 

As the city's transportation system ground to a near-halt, buses were used as ambulances and an emergency medical station was set up at a hotel. Rescue workers, police and ordinary citizens streamed into the streets to help.

 

The Associated Press writer Jane Wardell wrote: "Some central London streets emptied of traffic. Groups of commuters who had been on their way to work gathered around corner shops with televisions, watching in silence. The mood was somber and subdued".

 

This is all in accordance with the teachings of Islam. Muhammad ordered his followers to instill terror in the hearts of those who did not believe in him (8:12). He exhorted them to fight against unbelievers (8:65), slay them (9:5), Punish them by their hands (9:14), and subdue them (9:29) .

 

This is exactly what is happening. The terrorists are not a misguided Muslims. They are the real Muslims doing what their prophet instructed them to do.

 

Not all Muslims are terrorists. But the fact is that the Islamic terrorists hide among the Muslims, who in turn either protect them or are sympathetic to their cause. Islamic community is the breeding ground of Islamic terrorism. We can’t find the terrorists to eliminate them before they strike, but we can eliminate their breading ground.

 

Leaving the summit of G-8 behind and returning to London , Mr. Blair said he knew most Muslims worldwide "deplore this act of terrorism."

 

This could be true. But what good it makes when they support the ideology of terrorism at the same time? These Muslims who deplore acts of terrorism must ask themselves why they support Islam that advocates terrorism. There is an inconsistency between what they profess (their faith) and what they proclaim (their word).

 

More terrorist attacks will occur. More people will die and if we do nothing, Islamic terrorists will eventually win. Islam has won through terrorism ever since it began. Islam may not win to become the world religion, but it will win burning the world into ashes and for Islam that would be a victory.

 

There is only one way to fight Islamic terrorism and that is to fight Islam itself. Islam IS terrorism. All we have to do is read the Quran and familiarize ourselves with the life of its author to see this fact. In the Quran, the incitement to kill and to instill terror is spelled out in clear language in hundreds of verses.

 

The first step that we have to take is to identify the supporters of Islamic terrorism, those who hate the West and kick them out. It is not difficult to identify these goons. They are very vocal on the Internet spewing their venom against the West. They can be easily identified and thrown out. Mosques must be shut down and mosque goers should also be kicked out. Mosques are not places of worship as churches, synagogues and other temples are. The only deity worshiped there is Allah the god of death and bloodshed. Ayatollah Komeini said, "Mehraab (the main hall of the mosque) means the place from which war (harb) proceeds". If they hate the West this much, why they should be allowed to live here? The terrorists are them. We should not wait until they strike, but rather kick them out for the very fact that they do not like us and our way of life.

 

The second step is to launch a massive ideological war against Islam. It is Islam that is inciting hate and is goading Muslims to become terrorists. How can we overlook this clear connection? Ironically, the British . is debating a law to declare criticism of Islam, "incitement to religious hatred" and make it a crime. This is insanity. How can we fight our enemy and protect it at the same time? In Italy, Oriana Fallaci the author of the best selling book "La Forza della Ragione" is sued for denouncing Islam. Amazingly the Italian Judge, Armando Grasso, of the city of Bergamo, instead of throwing out the suit has ordered Fallaci to stand trial. Islam must not be protected by passing laws making illegal its criticism. On the contrary, Muslims must be forced to justify their terrorist faith and prove that it merits the status of religion. Do we give the hate spewing Creativity Movement the status of religion just because its followers claim it is? Would anyone in his right mind ban the criticism of cults such as the Satanism, Branch Davidian or the Solar temple or even the cult of Charles Manson? Why in a country that even the criticism of Christianity is not banned, the criticism of a dangerous cult such as Islam must be outlawed?

 

More lives have been lost today and more will be lost in future but those who want to remain politically correct and the appeasers are not going to wake up. They will continue defending Islam, the very doctrine that calls for their heads. They will continue fighting for the right of Muslims to believe and promote their ideology of hate. It seems the non-Muslims are on a suicidal course.

 

One day, when they have had enough of it, perhaps after hundreds of terrorist attacks have left virtually everyone mourning for the loss of a loved one, or perhaps when a few atomic bombs have been blasted in their countries and a few million of them are incinerated; when their economies are totally destroyed and their cities have become wastelands, the Westerners will rise and slaughter their Muslim neighbors. Under pressure insanity prevails. The inability of the governments and the unwillingness of the public to denounce Islam as evil and ban it, will inevitably strengthen fascism, racism and vigilantism. White supremacists will find a receptive audience and in the name of saving their countries from foreigners they will launch their genocidal campaign against non-Whites. The silent masses will remain ever more silent. Tired of incessant Islamic terrorism and wary of their governments' inability to deal with the threat of Islam, they will receive the fascists as their saviors and will rely on them to cleanse their countries from Muslim immigrants and non-Whites. Fascism could come back with vengeance and everyone would lose their freedom. Yet many would welcome it because the threat of Islam seems to be far more greater than the home grown fascism.

 

Why take the route of insanity when we still have time to eliminate our enemy by words alone? And yet the British . wants to suffocate even this word. This law would only make fascism to come back as it would be the only alternative. We can’t win Islamic terrorism unless we demolish its ideology. Islam must be demolished or more lives will be lost, more body parts will fly in the air and more innocent blood will dye the streets.

 

At the end Islam will lose; but at what cost? The longer we wait, the heavier will be the price to pay.

 

Instead of passing foolish laws banning criticism of Islam, Islam must be discussed freely in schools, universities and in the mainstream media. Public debates must take place between the proponents and the opponents of Islam so the hidden facts about Islam come to surface. Muslims living among us must be brought to accountability. They must either leave Islam or forced to leave non-Muslim countries. Islam is terrorism. It must be banned.

 

We are not talking about religious persecution. Islam is not a personal religion. It is a fascistic anti human ideology with a very temporal goal in the guise of religion and promises of afterlife. It is an ideology that wants to instill terror, to destroy democracies, take away our freedoms and dominate the world. Like Nazism and communism, Islam harbors ambition of world of domination and yet demands protection under religious status. We must not tolerate this ideology of hate masked as religion. It must be destroyed and its proponents must be kicked out. If Islam wants to conquer the world it is political, and criticizing it cannot be classified and "incitement to religious hatred".

 

If we do the same that we were doing, we will reap the same that we have been reaping. More lives will be lost and despite Mr. Blair's assurances, we shall not prevail. In fact we will lose and that means the end of the world as we know it. It is not good to lose hope but false hopes can be just as deadly.

[Guest guest]

 

 

Yes all muslims are terrorists. Do u know APJ Abdul kalam,The president of India.He ought to be a terrorist.Why did he make India a nuclear power.God knows. Indian actors Shahrukh Khan,Aamir khan, Salman Khan,Saif ali Khan all are terrorists. Social activists Shabana Azmi,Nafisa Ali all are terrorists.

And we are Hindus. We need to protect Hinduism. Lets leave our work,students leave ur studies, professionals leave ur work. Come on lets go to Ayodhya and build the Raam temple there. Come on , what are u waiting for.Temple will bring peace in Ayodhya and in India.When all the Muslims are terrorists , lets take a gun and start killing all the muslims. Can u tell me where do they sell AK-47s.

 

"Sarva Dharmaan parityajya maamekam sharanam vraja,

Ahamtva sarva paapebhyo moksheshyaami maashuchaha".

 

May Lord save ur souls....

 

 

It is hard knocking sense into some, but got to try...

 

All apples are fruits does not mean all fruits are apples. Saying terrorists are muslims does not mean muslims are terrorists.

 

The point made is Islam terrorists derive support from their religion for their violent deeds and this point remains undisputed.

[Guest guest]

the guy's paranoid. Instead of blaming muslims, how about blaming westerners who are destroying planet earth with wars, mncs, pollution, missionary activities, racism etc. etc.?

[Guest guest]

Koran has been doctored by the westerners to make Muslims look barbaric. It is possible. When has the westerner ever spoken the truth? It's always been lies, deception, manipulation that accompany their rape of cultures and nations.

[Guest guest]

 

the guy's paranoid. Instead of blaming muslims, how about blaming westerners who are destroying planet earth with wars, mncs, pollution, missionary activities, racism etc. etc.?

 

 

 

There is no instead of, and no untrue blaming being done.

 

SIMPLY BOTH ARE TRUE.

[Guest guest]

In reply to

"you think its a joke"Sir,

You must have really been hurt by what I said.With due regards to

 

everybody,I had no intentions to do that, and certainly is no joke for

 

me.Its all that we feel strongly about something.

You must be living in the west, I presume.So things like those that

 

happened in London must be very surprising to you.There really was no

 

need to mention all those ghastly experiences after those bomb blasts

 

in London. They are all the consequences Of a blast.Whoever throws

 

those bombs, the result will be same,smoke,blood...Do you know why,

 

because the bomb doesn't know whether that was thrown by a Muslim , a

 

Hindu, a Christian or whoever It may be. Sir, I live in a Naxal

 

dominated area in India,where things like these are common, most of the

 

time. And most of the time , its either a facton feud or rivalry

 

between two gangs.Here Hindus throw bombs.

No matter who throws it, the result is always the same.

You can't blame a particular religion for that. Its in one's thoughts.

Sir, we have a muslim lecturer in our college who regularly does his

 

Namaz,(I mean 5 times a day).He is a very knowledgable man. I can

 

claim, no one is as perfect as him in UNIX. He can literally do any

 

task related to that.

Its a real pleasure,prestige to listen to his lectures.And if Islam

 

taught all that u said, then a person like him should not exist.He must

 

be a myth.

Just think about it, any person who must work day and night to make

 

both ends meet, one who has the responsibilty of his family, one who

 

has to earn day and night to give his children good education, can he

 

indulge in such activities as killing other, whatever religion he may

 

belong to.

Sir, I am in the software field. For me, the priority would be peace in

 

the country, as that would bring more investments from other countries.

More investment means more development. If people like you and me also

start thinking about things like these, where would the world end up.

 

Yes,not all muslims are terrorists, but not all terrorists are

 

muslims.The LTTE group that works in Sri Lanka is comprised of many

 

hindus and people from other religion.Then that should mean all Hindus

 

are terrorists.Would you accept that , Sir.

 

No way.If Islam says(as you people say) that punish those who does not

 

believe in mohammad, then how strong can be the values of all Hindu

 

mythologies. Does Ramayana teach you to have AgniPariksha done by your

 

wife just because you suspect her, or leave her because some insane

 

'dhobi'said something.Does Mahabharata teach you to kill ur enemies

 

with tricks that dont come under the law of war.

 

Sir, its all in ones thinking. Terrorists who attacked Ayodhya and the

 

bombers in London may not have been provoked by the teachings of Islam.

I strongly believe, they were all unemployed youth who were lured by

 

large sums of money.Aa Unemployed Hindu or Muslim , whose family

 

doesn't have anything to eat, can be easily lured by large sums of

 

money, because the only thought that comes to his mind is " Even when I

 

die, my family can live happily".

 

"An empty stomach can not digest religion".... And this goes for

 

everyone irrespective of religion.

 

 

[Guest guest]

yes,

 

I do not disagree that there are peace loving muslims.

 

But that is becase they are not real muslims who know the koran in and out, and who do not live by it.

 

Please show that professor the vesrses of the koran that are posted here.

 

See what happens.

 

If he is a fundo, he will freak out.

 

If he does not freak out, he may not be a fundo, then ask him why a man of 40+ age, marries a child(AISHA) of 6 years, has sex with her when she is 9, is a PROPHET.

 

Also why is he the perfect role model for all times to come.

 

See what happens, to this peace loving professor!!

 

[Guest guest]

Sir,

Thanks for ur suggestion. U know it very well that I would never dare to raise a question this fickle to a man whos is very Knowledgeable, a man who has given me confidence with knowledge.

I would rather sit with him and discuss the feasibility of a software that could remove hatred for mankind from heart and mind of people. To the very least , I would sit with with my peace loving professor and develop some software that would educate poor people for free.This way I will justify my existance as a Hindu and as a vaishnavite in particular.

What would U do sir, Start another thread this time against Christianity. Why not, they are the ones who are responsible for mass conversions in India. They target poor people , give them money and convert them to christians.U might be very well aware of the fact Sir,aren't you?

This time Ur target will be Christians, next others...

How long will u continue like this.Hinduism and mankind are under threat from everyone. Hatred will not solve anything.

U R not going to kill anyone, thats for sure. Then how do you think u can solve the problem. Have u ever thought of it.

Sir, as far as I know , hatred is the greatest obstacle in the path of spirituality.I don't say that we must be silent for every ghastly activity that is meted out. But lets think of something concrete. An idea that will really change perspectives.

 

Sir, it was really nice discussing issues with u. My conviction has become more stronger.

[Guest guest]

 

Hatred will not solve anything.

U R not going to kill anyone, thats for sure. Then how do you think u can solve the problem. Have u ever thought of it.

 

 

 

Agreed on the hatred part.

 

Knowledge can free us and ignorance will help us keep bound.

 

So, I am already trying to solve it, by properly understanding the Gita and the bhagavat and then preaching about the same :-

 

http://www.vedabase.net

 

However i also speak up and make sure that at least the followers of the hindu religion are at least aware and have the proper KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING, of what lies as the chief motivation , in the huge trojan horse of Kali Yuga Kaitava Religions.

 

Keep up the simplicity of your good heart and understand and apply the gita in your life :

 

http://vedabase.net/bg/en

 

You have great potential as a programmer and my best wishes to you , dear friend.

 

Hare Krishna

 

I remain,

Your Servent and well wisher

 

[Guest guest]

"Hence, hindus should give up their mindless fundamentalism and focus on Lord Ram within their own hearts and minds. You really think Ram or Krishna wants temples built by fanatics? I think not. They want your devotion."

 

I know this has already been addressed. But let me add this: You seem to be suggesting that if Hindus and Vaishnavas stop building Temples, then the bombings will stop. That the Hindus and Vaishnavas should just worship within their hearts and all will be fine.

 

Do you actually believe this? Seriously? The terrorists weren't attacking Temples in London, were they? Pause for a moment and think about your ideal scenario, if there were no Temples. Don't you think the terrorists would simply find something else to bomb? They attack Temples because they know that people congregate there, and that Temples are dear to the Hindus. If the Temples are removed, the terrorists would just bomb something else: busses, cars, marketplaces, whatever.

 

Let's use some common sense here, shall we?

[Guest guest]

Yes Major Tom, lets talk about Common Sense. Its been proved beyond doubt that Common sense is not so common.let us analyse what is common sense. Common sense for people like us says " don't put your hands in flame, u will burn your fingers". And for people like u it says "U should put ur hands in flame, or else u won't understand what heat is".

And when one becomes hell bent on giving the knowledge of heat to everybody in the world, then there must be something more than just a common sense.

Who is Stopping u to build temples?? You can build temples in your area, near ur house,or anywhere. No one will object.In fact people like me will appreciate ur love for god. We will even come for the opening ceremony. But building a temple in Ayodhya requires real common sense, infact it needs far sightedness.Why because the future of Indians depends on that. U might be knowing the fact that Godhra incident happened after the Shilanyaas.The incident itself shows how serious an issue like this can be.Acting on ur impulsions would be dangerous in these cases.Matters like these need serious discussions keeping in mind the future of a country with population more tham 100 billion and a country which is the fastest developing country in Asia. My Common sense says this. What does ur common sense say..

Yes, terrorists need not attack temples, they attack gatherings of people. But in India , if u attack a temple, u acheive two effects simultaneously... one people there at the spot die, and second u can create a perfect scenario for internal trifle in India. Because people like u with God gifted common sense, get aroused and do what there common sense says to do.

If U are living in India, then India is certainly doomed. But if you are living in the west, don't come to India. We already have our share of god gifted common sense(s).

[Guest guest]

"Who is Stopping u to build temples?? You can build temples in your area, near ur house,or anywhere. No one will object.In fact people like me will appreciate ur love for god. We will even come for the opening ceremony. But building a temple in Ayodhya requires real common sense, infact it needs far sightedness."

 

Thankyou for the elaboration and clarification, although it would have been helpful if you had stated this earlier, otherwise, how was anyone to know that your original statement was to mean precisely this?

 

Anyway, I have no interest in discussing this topic any further. Terrorism is never a solution to the world's problems. Call me crazy, but to me, that's just common sense.

[Guest guest]

your statement seems that we are planning to build temples in SaudiArabia, Dubai and Pakistan.

 

If we start digging the whole world every where you will start finding temples remains.

 

I have a serious doubt about TajMahal I think that might have been built upon atemple. What about Afganistan Khandhar was Ghandhar Ghandharis birth place so if we go and start digging up there we will find only our temples.

 

So be happy that we are not doing this or else the whole world will have only things related to our sanatana dharma.

 

And regarding our fanticism that is our love towards Krishna we can not help it Our krishna does that to everybody who ever loves .

 

What ever it is please chant HARE KRISHNA HAREKRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE

 

 

[Guest guest]

I would like to thank you all for listening to my views and epressing what you all thought. Its a great privilege to be amongst you and talk to you all. For me its god grace.

People like u all are really backbones to hinduism which we all are proud of. In this era where every thing is in danger including existance of mankind,People like u can really help us. As we all derive motivation and encouragement from you.Hinduism radiates energy, help us grab that energy which we can use it to make our beloved country powerful.India the country of spirituality,the birth place of hinduism.It was gods grace thatb I came to know about this site.And I could know there are so many people who really think seriously.Thank Vishnu.

 

And for people who are filled with ecstasy of Lord krishna, I leave this for you.I found this in 'gospels of sri ramakrishna'.I don't remember it properly but I think u will like it.

 

....ah krishna, if at all u were my hair,I would make you into a braid, and i would show it to my friends. they would be jealous, seeing my thick black braid,Krishna, the braid as black as you.

Krishna , if at all u were my ring, I would always wear you.I would take my ring to my lips and kiss it all the times,and my friends would be jealous....

But Krishna, why would you care to be my hair,why would you care to be my ring. U are lord, ruling the whole world,U have many beautiful gopikas with you. Why would u care to be with be lord, why would you....Ah Krishna, I can't bear your ecstasy.......

 

Hope U all like this.

I would need ur blessings and knowledge to move forward.

 

"Aakashat pateetam toyam, yatha gachati saagaram,

Sarva deva namaskaram, keshavam prati gachati"

 

 

[tesh]

The whole Ramji Mandir issue is far from Bhakthi, Dharma and Vaishnavism. This issue was started centuries ago by extreme muslims who in their vain attempts tried to conqure the sathya sanathan vedic dharma. They inflicted volience and terror on our ancestors, however today we should not take up as extremism which is islam is diseased by. Building a mandir for Sri Ram is Bhajan, it should be done in the mood of bhakthi and shanti (peace), we have seen that the proponents of the Ram mandir project are political organisations such as the VHP and RSS. Since fundamentalist Hindus set foot on babri masjid in 1992, innocent lives have been lost, so much hate has been spread. Here in the west midlands in england muslims set my local mandir on fire 2 days after the babri mosque was destroyed. So tell me my vedic brothers and sisters, is this the proper process build Ram Mandir in the Holy Dhama or Ayodya???? Is this Bhajan and dharma????? The scriptures adovate voilence for the sake of dharma, but that is under strict regulation, wars for the sake of dharma are fought when all peaceful paths fail and occur between Kshatriya men in battlefeilds far from innocent people.. Over the past decade so many women and children have been killed in Roits and bombs in Bombay, Ghodra etc.. i feel angered at what the muslims did to our ancestores and to our temples, but we should channel our anger in the most dharmic and peaceful way.. why dont we all gather on the banks of the yamuna and clean the waters form pollution...why dont we gather tree saplings from every indian village to re-plant the defrosted woods and groves in vrindavan..

 

This volience whether from a hindu or muslim does not please our beloved Sri Rama

Jai Sri Rama

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

Dear no-name:

 

Gee 'you' sound just like a terrorist!

 

I wonder if you are the counter-point to their point?

[Guest guest]

This is what is called cowardliness.

 

Hindus today take no action for Dhanrma.

 

It is time that Hindus or Vaishnavas or whatever you call yourselves(I have been always praying to Lord Krishna(atleast for material desires)), it is imperative that one understands Islam teaches killing and anihilating non-muslims(infidels). It may be that all muslims do not kill non-muslims, but it should be understood that they are potential killers.

 

Consider the case of British born muslims. Theywere born and raised in Britain and still killed through London blasts recently. Same with your temples.

 

Like idiots and fools, do not think that muslims burnt your temple because of Babri masjid demoloition. The masjid demolition is merely an excuse. All Muslims hate other religions and cannot tolerate religious practise except Islam. That is why you have every Muslim nation in middle east forbidding pratise of any other religion. If you still cannot grasp truth, thinking Ali Sina and others as as fools, there is no greater fool than yourselves.

 

An advice for the foolish administrator of this site too. Do not delete this message as you have been doing.

 

Wake up idiots.

[Guest guest]

Let me say one thing to all people who think that building a temple in Ayodhya is wrong.

 

It is every Hindu's and Vaishnava's duty to get this temple built. Every Hindu should know that a Ram temple was demolished and a mosque was built by these mlechchhas.

[Guest guest]

Religious Freedom in the Majority Islamic Countries

1998 Report

Saudi Arabia

 

Population: 19,072,000

Religion: Islam 98% (95% Sunni, 3% Shiite)

Catholics: 880,000

Apostolic vicariate: Arabia

 

The Koran is the constitution, hence it is forbidden to practise, even in private, any religion other than Islam. The legal system is governed by the Sharia, the source of the law. The government maintains that it represents the only possible position to safeguard the two most sacred places of Islam, and it prohibits the public and private practice of other religions. Any person who wears any (non-Muslim) religious symbol runs the risk of coming up against the Muhtawwa’in, the religious police. There are serious risks even for foreigners, who are victims of violence on the part of the police and of fanatics. Non-Muslim workers are subject to arrest, deportation and imprisonment if they are caught engaging in any kind of religious practice that might attract official disapproval. According to the theological interpretation of the dominant Wahabi school, the soil of the Arabian peninsula is the country of the prophet Mohammed, the most holy of territories, where it is not even possible to permit the exercise of the tolerated religions of the Book, Judaism and Christianity.

 

According to a report by Lucia Avallone ("Quando l’Islam non è tollerante" [When Islam is not tolerant], article in Islam oggi No.10, May 15 1994), it seems clear that all forms of worship other than Sunni Islam are forbidden. Many people have been arrested simply for having expressed their religious faith. Even the legal structure of the Islamic state is based directly on the Koran. In the tribunals there are no juries, and everything depends on one magistrate or, in cases of capital punishment, on three judges. The political trials take place in secret and without defence advocates (cf. the case of the death sentence on 16 Kuwaiti pilgrims accused of a terrorist attack on Mecca, who were given no opportunity to defend themselves and who made confessions under torture). The most serious penalties vary from flogging, to amputation of a limb, to public beheading. A Shiite Muslim was condemned to death on a series of charges, ranging from trading in Bibles to throwing stones at the police. There are numerous attempts at forced conversion in exchange for favours or freedom. The discrimination comes not only from the forces of the State but also from the cultural world; school books all toe the official line and the use of any other texts is prohibited.

 

The Fides press agency reported on July 10 1998 that four Filipinos and a Dutchman had been arrested for possessing and distributing Bibles, while at Riyad the police were continuing to search the homes of Filipino Christians in a climate of heavy religious repression. One of the Filipinos was released because under torture a confession was extorted from him of a crime he did not commit, namely homosexuality. According to Amnesty International, 12 Christians held in prison in Riyad on accusations of possession of Bibles and of preaching the Christian Faith were released and immediately expelled from the country.

 

The President of the Vatican commission for refugees and migrants, who is also chairman of the Filipino bishops’ conference, Monsignor Ramon Arguelles, has issued a press statement with the names of 30 Filipinos in prison in Saudi Arabia. Some of these were released and have now disappeared. A further eight Filipinos and the Dutchman have been released; one of them has spoken about the tortures inflicted on the prisoners.

 

There are around six million foreign workers in Saudi Arabia, of whom some 10 per cent, or 600,000, are Christians. 400,000 of these are Filipinos. They are not even permitted to celebrate Christmas, but at the same time they must observe Ramadan. The Filipinos are the most at risk because they come from a Third World country, as do the Koreans and Indians. From 1992 onwards, according to Reuters, there have been an estimated 360 cases of expatriate Christians being arrested for having taken part in evening prayer meetings in private homes. Christian religious, if identified as such, are refused entry into the country. At the most important festivals of the Christian calendar, Christmas and Easter, the religious police intensify their activities. Western Christians who are surprised, are subject to arrest and expulsion. For those of the Third World there is frequent surveillance, pressure through physical and psychological torture and forcible conversion or re-conversion to Islam. Christians who refuse to renounce their faith are condemned to death and executed on the pretext of having broken the law.

 

This blinkered attitude at times touches on the absurd. In 1979, when the Muslims requested the intervention of a special French unit into the Kaaba, against a group of Islamic fundamentalists who were opposed to the government, the soldiers of the intervention force of the French national police (GIGN - Groupe d'intervention de la Gendarmerie nationale) were obliged to undergo a rapid ceremony of conversion to Islam. Even the Red Cross was obliged, during the course of the Gulf war, to drive around without the symbol of the Cross and not to display its banner. Saudi Arabia considers itself the custodian of Islamic purity. It is for this reason that the symbols of other religions, especially of Christianity, are forbidden - crosses, Bibles and rosaries included - and many foreign citizens end up in prison accused by the authorities of engaging in religious propaganda. Blatant pressure is exerted upon them, even in the workplace, with the promise of career advancement. The Christian religious presence in the country is practically nil, and the four priests who belong to the apostolic vicariate of Arabia, based in Abu Dhabi, serve only the embassy staff. The repression of the Catholic Faith thus goes hand in hand with that of human rights, and there are numerous outrages committed against the Filipino citizens. The most notorious is that of Donnie Lama, a Catholic held in prison for 18 months from October 5, 1995 until his release on March 29 1997 with an expulsion order to the Philippines, thanks to the intervention of international organisations - but only after having received 70 lashes. The accusations directed against him related to his secret participation at a Eucharistic service in 1984. Others who followed him were not as fortunate; Ruel Janda and Arnel Beltran, who were accused of theft as a pretext, were both beheaded. On the occasion of this tragedy the human rights organisation Christian Solidarity made an appeal to the government of Saudi Arabia to desist from its persecution of Christians and to undertake to respect religious freedom, but they have never gone beyond declarations of principle. Currently it appears that there are eight Filipino citizens in prison, though another list speaks of 14 people and yet another of 30. The death penalty, which is applicable to sexual violence, is not applied to Muslims who rape Filipino women. An appeal has been launched by the government in Manila to persuade those who wish to go abroad in search of work not to go to Arabia, but the Filipinos do not seem to have sufficient authority to prevent these abuses of its citizens.

 

There is a series of organisations which run checks on the working contracts in the Arab countries, but it is not enough because so many immigrants end up in prison without the authorities coming to hear of it. A Filipino woman who has just given birth and whose husband has fled arrest is being forced by the government to remain in her home without being allowed to communicate by telephone. The Church in the Philippines, in its messages to the Catholic faithful, is insisting that the dollars which come from the richest country in the world are most certainly not worth the loss of the cultural and spiritual identity of a people.

 

The arrests and the expulsions for "blasphemous activities" are also continuing with the objective of intimidating all who remain in the country. Christian Solidarity Worldwide in its issue of November 4 1998, reports that on October 18 the Filipino Christian, Pen Ronquillo, was imprisoned after having been forced to sign three documents, written in Arabic, which contained a declaration of renunciation of any further sums due from his employer and an inventory of his personal property. Transferred the following day to a cell of 10 metres by 15, together with another 60 prisoners, he was forced to sleep on the floor without blankets, even though he was not tortured or interrogated. On the 20th of the month he was taken to the airport and put on a plane to Manila. According to the Religious Liberty Prayer List of the World Evangelical Fellowship, at least another six Filipinos have been forced to undergo a similar form of deportation, while a further seven are awaiting the same fate in the near future. It is true, however, that these extreme measures are often substituted by pressure exercised by their employers to force them to end their contracts of employment before the agreed time, by accusing them of "creating problems".