Islamic Terrorists Strike at Heart of London:Muslims allowed to walk the streets now?

[Kulapavana]

Source: cryptome

Published: July 11, 2005

 

There is smoking-gun evidence to prove UK State involvement in the recent terror attacks in London. An 'exercise' was planned by an organisation called 'Visor', run by former senior police, security, and military personnel. This exercise was planned to take place in London on THE SAME DAY, and involved the 'simulation' of SIMULTANEOUS BOMB EXPLOSIONS at the SAME TUBE STATIONS close to which bombs did actually explode. The head of this organisation admitted this in an interview broadcast by BBC Radio 5 on Thursday evening. The transcript of the relevant part is below, and I have also uploaded the audio file.

 

PLEASE CIRCULATE

 

The broadcast is also at:

 

http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/090705exercise_clip.mp3

 

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/media/2005/07/318017.mp3

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/fivelive/aod.shtml?fivelive/drive_thu

 

***BEGIN TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW FROM BBC RADIO 5***

 

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

 

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

 

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

 

***END TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW FROM BBC RADIO 5***

 

Information about senior people at 'Visor' - former police, security, and military personnel, is at:

 

http://www.visorconsultants.com/teamvisor.html

[krsna]

Italian author slams Islam’s ‘hate’ for West

 

Author: Tom Carter

 

Publication: The Washington Times

 

October 23, 2002

 

URL: http://www.washtimes.com/world/20021023-18874592.htm

 

The Islamic world is engaged in a cultural war with the West and the worst is still to come, Italian author Oriana Fallaci told a receptive Washington audience last night.

 

Spinning off a long list of Islamic countries, she told a group of about 80 people: "The hate for the West swells like a fire fed by the wind.

 

"The clash between us and them is not a military one. It is a cultural one, a religious one, and the worst is still to come," she continued in what she said was her first public address in more than a decade.

 

Tight security was in place for the speech at the American Enterprise Institute after death threats were issued against her and her attorney as a result of her latest book, "The Rage and the Pride," which contains harsh criticism of Muslims.

 

The book, which she called a "sermon" to Europe, was written in New York in the two weeks after September 11 as the smoke and dust from the destruction of the World Trade Center blanketed the city.

 

Miss Fallaci contends in the angry polemic that the only difference between "moderate Islam" and "radical Islam" is the length of their beards.

 

She said last night that critics have attempted to ban the book or have her arrested in France, Belgium, Switzerland and Italy. The 72-year-old author described these efforts as "intellectual terrorism."

 

Miss Fallaci, who lives in New York and is afflicted with cancer, also criticizes Western culture for its loose morals and licentiousness.

 

"Freedom cannot exist without discipline, self-discipline, and rights cannot exist without duties. Those who do not observe their duties do not deserve their rights," she said.

 

In her prime, Miss Fallaci was famed as a belligerent journalist and argumentative interviewer, who had unprecedented access to the world's most reclusive and wary leaders.

 

A partisan in the Italian resistance in World War II and a lifelong leftist, she once became so disgusted while interviewing Iran's Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini that she ripped off her head scarf and threw it in his face.

 

The act of defiance was considered an unpardonable sin in the ayatollah's Iran.

 

"The Rage and the Pride," originally published in an Italian newspaper and then as a book, has sold more than 1 million copies in Italy and has been popular in Germany and France as well. All three nations have large Muslim immigrant populations.

 

Variously praised as the painful truth or decried as a "bigoted, anti-Muslim screed," Miss Fallaci's book is under threat of judicial action in France for inciting racial hatred.

 

A lawsuit brought by the Movement Against Racism and for Friendship Between People, a Muslim human rights group, is demanding that the book be banned in France.

 

In a ruling yesterday that may affect her case, a French court acquitted best-selling French author Michel Houellebecq of charges of racial insult and inciting racial hatred for calling Islam the "dumbest religion."

 

The Paris court threw out the case brought by officials from the main mosques in Paris and the central-eastern city of Lyon and other Muslim groups after an interview Mr. Houellebecq gave to the French literary magazine Lire.

 

"The dumbest religion, after all, is Islam," he told the magazine. "When you read the Koran, you're shattered. The Bible at least is beautifully written because the Jews have a heck of a literary talent."

 

While the court ruled that the 44-year-old author's comments were "without a doubt characterized by neither a particularly noble outlook nor by the subtlety of their phrasing," they did not constitute a punishable offense.

 

While Mr. Houellebecq indeed had expressed hatred for Islam as a religion, the court said, he had not expressed hatred for Muslims, nor did he encourage others to share his views or discriminate against Muslims.

 

Miss Fallaci, in her first book in more than 10 years, said she was prompted to write by demonstrations throughout the Muslim world and in pockets of Europe celebrating the September 11 attacks on the United States.

 

Her anger, based on years of reporting in Muslim countries, is evident. Her detractors call the work an incitement to kill Muslims.

 

Unrepentant, Miss Fallaci calls the downing of the Twin Towers an act of cultural war and says the superior Western civilization must stand up and defeat Islam.

 

"War you wanted, war you want? Good. As far as I am concerned, war it is and war it will be. Until the last breath," she writes.

 

(This article is based in part on wire service reports.)

 

[krsna]

 

 

 

By Abul Kasem

 

July 10, 2005

 

Fight against them so that Allâh will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people, And remove the anger of their (believers') hearts. Allâh accepts the repentance of whom He wills. Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Wise. (Al-Qur’an, verse 9:14-15)

 

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ES, THAT’S CORRECT. Allah, in the hands of the Islamists, punishes the infidels (or non-Muslims). Should not the western infidels, who have fallen in love with the Islamic apologists (or peaceful Islam) learn a few lessons from this verse? The pithy message in this verse is so loud and clear that even a primary school kid, after having diligently read those infallible words of Allah will tell you that the perpetrators of mayhem of 9/11, 11/3, 7/7……….are simply carrying out what Allah has asked them to do. Even if 0.1% of the Muslims (this will be around 1.2 million nascent Jihadists) around the globe, with complete conviction in their faith, decide to act fully on this verse, this should be enough to annihilate virtually all the infidels. TV news reports that around 1% (yes, one percent) of Britains 1.6 million Muslims are al-Qaeda supporters. This means around 16,000 potential Islamic terrorists—16,000 prospective suicide bombers might be lurking right in the heart of one of the greatest modern citadels, London . This is more powerful than all the atom bombs that the infidels possess. Isn’t this mind boggling? Therefore, the simplistic logic that the vast majority of the Muslims are peace-loving, law-abiding and are not Islamic terrorists is completely void. You see, it is not the 99.9% of the Muslims that matters. It is just that microscopic 0.1% that is the gravest concern of today’s civilisation. This is akin to a virus attack. I wonder why such a simple and perfectly clear logic does not enter the heads of infidel PC politicians. They are vaguely satisfied that since that elusive 99.9% Muslims are against Islamic terrorism; therefore, Islamic terrorism is bound to go away, sooner or later.

 

 

This delusion has paralysed the western policy makers. They believe that somehow, by resorting to PC politics, those utterly unchangeable verses of Allah will disappear—or at least become ‘not acted upon’ by the overwhelming majority of Muslims. I would request these ‘blind’ and ‘un-enlightened’ PC politicians to visit an Islamic Paradise, and, instead of negotiating deals with the corrupt rulers, visit a mosque, a university, a college and a madrassa and enquire the Muslim students about the meaning of Jihad or what do they think of terror attacks on western cities. The glib answer from these newest breed of Islamists might make these un-informed infidels quake in absolute fear. For sure, these Muslim students will, provide a clear explanation of the above verse: that is, the Qur’an unmistakably calls for the complete destruction of infidels in the hands of Muslims by any means.

 

Let us now briefly review what the rest of the civilised world is doing to face such an implacable foe.

 

Here are some of the steps (I recalled from memory) the infidels have adopted to assuage a ‘raging’, seemingly unstoppable Islamic terror:

 

Passing a resolution in the U.N. to ban the spread of Islamphobia. (Note: no mention is made about the barbaric/terrifying Qur’anic verses, such as I quoted above)

Guaranteeing the preaching and indoctrination of Islam through construction of a plethora of new mosques, madrassas, mussalas, Islamic colleges, Islamic primary schools/nurseries….and what not. Mind you, in Islamic Paradises, proselytizing any religion other than Islam is a serious offence; it might be punishable by with death sentence.

Imposing a ban on critiquing Islam (refer to the draft EU constitution).

Arresting and incarcerating those who dare to expose ‘real Islam.’

Allowing unabated immigration of Islamists in infidel territories, forgetting that the only reason these Islamists migrate to infidel lands is just to convert these haram/najis (impure) lands into pure Islamic Paradises by hook or by crook, and if necessary, by colluding with the Islamic terrorists living and flourishing amidst them and in the middle-east.

Allowing unrestricted growth of Islamic centres and Islamic student’s organizations in universities and colleges. These are the fertile grounds for the hidden Islamic terrorists.

Permitting the Islamists to use valuable space in educational institutions, offices, factories, to be reserved for prayer purposes. This right of prayer space (the infidels refers this gesture as religious freedom; the Islamists laugh at the stupidity of the infidels) is not extended for other religions, or denied when requested. One might wonder why there is such a policy of duplicity. Why the Muslim students/workers/staff members should have such privileges—even when some members of their community are hell-bent to destroy the western civilisation? Is this the correct approach to combat Islamic extremism/terrorism?—by feeding these barbaric Islamists with nutrition and let them breed unchecked?

Just to confirms that the infidels have reaped what they had been sowing for many years, a few day’s ago ( 7/7/05 ), the ‘real Islam’ struck London with crushing alacrity—Allah’s unbound vengeance.

 

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So, how do you think the British Government (or other infidel governments) is going to tackle the menace of this radical Islam? Here are some of my predictions:

 

Non-Muslims will be barred from visiting Islamic centres and mosques. This measure will be taken in response to the demand by the ‘peaceful’ Islamists for more freedom to do what they would like to do at mosques and Islamic centres, so that no non-Muslim will be allowed to interfere in their affairs. The infidels call this respect for privacy.

There will be more interfaith dialogues, which mean providing the Islamists with a strong platform to severely criticise/attack the western civilisation. In Islam, there is no such thing as ‘interfaith dialogue’. Just go to an Islamic Paradise and mention this word (interfaith dialogue) and the Islamists will laugh at you.

It will be illegal to quote hateful verses from the Qur’an and Hadis (This has already happened in Australia ; a pastor was found guilty in Melbourne for quoting the verses from the Qur’an which call for the murder of the infidels; he now faces possible jail sentence!). Unbelievable.

Websites, analysing and dissecting Islam will be ordered to close down. But the infidel government will subsidise Islamic organizations to set up and maintain Islamic websites to preach ‘peaceful’, ‘moderate’ Islam. In infidel’s language this is called ‘out-reach’ program.

Anyone, who utters any word, sentence or message or anyone who demonstrates his/her misdemeanour towards Islam/Muslims, or whose words offend any Islamist will face hefty fine or court action (similar to traffic offence).

Anyone who discusses Islamic terrorism and surreptitiously squints at any Muslim that happens to be nearby will be arrested and fined. The infidels call this ‘vilification’ act. However, Muslims will be allowed to criticise Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism…

Mosques will be allowed to use loudspeakers to spread, five times a day, the beautiful, melodious cry of Islam. After all, for a long time the Muslims (living in infidel lands) had complained that the denial of such opportunity had always been a sore point. They had always complained about their lack of religious freedom to inseminate the environmentally friendly, clear, silent air with heavenly cheers (read Azan). For other religions though, using loud speakers outside their enclosed congregation hall, will be treated as an unbearable noise pollution. The organisers of such religious functions will be charged with violation of environmental protection acts. Islam’s prayer noise will be treated as divine music. Only Muslims will be exempt from environmental protection act.

Any newspaper which publishes article that Islamists render as offensive to Islam will face severe punitive measures. Government ruling will force the infidel newspapers to provide free advertising space to spread peaceful Islam (refer to the Australian case). Islamists will be able to publish articles defaming other religions. This is known as Islamic tolerance, and the un-Islamic, infidel governments will respect this brand of Islamic tolerance.

To placate the Islamists, infidel governments will accede to their demand for Sharia Laws to be applied to the Muslims. Muslims will have their own .—the Islamic Majlis or Shura/ council. Muslims will have their separate ‘Ministry’ and ‘Judiciary.’ They will even have separate beaches, playgrounds, gymnasiums, fitness centres, picnic spots, ablution centres, baby care centres, hostels, maternity clinics, public toilets, restaurants, aged care facilities, markets (only halal stuff), hospitals…….. Any bikini-clad or un-Islamically dressed woman found in an Islamic beach or other Islamic spots will face Islamic Sharia court. Since she was in an Islamic territory she will be subject to Islamic laws; the secular laws prevalent for the vast majority of infidels will not apply to her.

When meeting a Muslim man, an infidel woman must be attired in hijab and/or black cassock to respect Islam. No handshake will be allowed. This procedure will become a law. Any infidel woman breaking this provision will be tried in a Sharia court and not in a secular court.

In universities and colleges, if there is even a single Muslim/Muslimah, any student who talks about Islam will be subject to disciplinary action. The lecturer/professor/teacher must allow the Muslim student to enter and leave the class as he/she deems necessary to perform Salat. (prayer). Special assessment procedures will apply to Muslim students—to uphold the affirmative policy. This will compensate for the past historical discrimination and injustice perpetrated by the colonists.

British government will accede to the demand of the Islamists for training in the in self-defence, to protect them from the despicable skin-heads. Muslims will be allowed to form their own defence or vigilante corps. In future, this Islamic defence corps will demand for a certain territory within Great Britain to be exclusively reserved for the Muslims. Believe it or not, the British Government will satisfy this Islamic demand.

The readers might laugh or simply pooh-pooh at some of my imaginary ideas which are especially applicable to the Islamists living in infidel’s lands. But wait a minute; this is exactly what the Qur’an says. Muslims are Allah’s exceptional creation. The infidel world owes them a living, otherwise they are allowed by Allah to create terror, destruction and mayhem. They deserve those extraordinary treatments because Allah says they are destined to rule the world and subdue all other religion.

 

What happens if the infidels refuse to accord those special privileges to the Islamists? The answer is the verse quoted above—you get 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, Bali, Jakarta , Casablanca , Istanbul ….

 

When the world’s best intelligence organizations, such as CIA, FBI, THE SCOTLAND YARD, MI5, MI6…etc. fail to trace a single clue as to who these mindless terrorists are (before their attack) and why they are perpetrating such heinous acts, one wonders what is wrong with these reputed establishments? The answer to this enigma is really very easy. You see, these infidels do not understand Islam. They are only fishing in wrong water. They think Islamic terrorists are like, IRA, Tamil Tigers, Basque separatists, communist terrorists….etc. They are utterly wrong. To fight Islamic terrorists they must understand Islam first. Before they pick up any surveillance tool they must pick up the Qur’an and read it thoroughly. Before they train on any weapon, they must read the Hadis and Sharia and see their ‘beauty’. Mind you, this is exactly how the Islamists train their Jihadists. They (the Islamic terrorists) are indoctrinated first in ‘real Islam’, before they learn how to handle explosives and the use arms and ammunitions. They know exactly how to imbue the Islamic fighters. The infidels are just callous: they put the cart before the horse. Don’t you think the Islamists are smarter than all those world-famous intelligence organizations? Let us face the truth: in strategic planning, cunningness and smartness these Islamists simply beat the infidels’ intelligence teams hands down.

 

Therefore the anti-terrorist squads (of infidels) must learn a few lessons from the Islamists. They should learn how to beat their enemy in their own game. Once these squads learn what real Islam is all about, it will be so simple to map out the correct strategies to extinguish Islamic terrorism—for good. And it costs so little to know ‘real Islam’!

 

A good starting point will be to comprehend the above verse. An old adage says, ‘Know your enemy.’ This is true, but the truer version should be, “Know your enemy’s motive.” The motive of the Islamists is Islam—not terrorism, not Iraq , not Afghanistan . Terrorism is just a tool employed, but Qur’an is the motivator and Islam is the final goal. There can be no clearer message than this. The civilised world is at war—a war with Islam. The Islamists will surely confirm this truth. Full stop.

 

[Kulapavana]

"Hatred for Islam as a religion NOT hatred for Muslims, "Hate the SIN not the SINNER""

 

LOL! you should sometimes think before you copy and paste... Did Srila Prabhupada or any other Gaudiya Acharyas condemn Islam? Remember Lord Chaitanya's discussion with Kazi? THAT IS THE SPIRIT OF OUR POSITION in the debate with Islam.

 

Dont just copy and paste. STUDY! (at least our acharya's position before posting stuff like that)

 

[Guest guest]

The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | July 12th 2005 | Mark Steyn

 

'There are no Muslim terrorists. There are terrorists," Father Paul Hawkins of St Pancras parish church told his congregation on Sunday. "The people who carried out these attacks are victims of a false religion, be it false Christianity or false Islam."

 

Oh, dear. "Britain can take it" (as they said in the Blitz): that's never been in doubt. The question is whether Britain can still dish it out. When events such as last Thursday's occur, two things happen, usually within hours if not minutes: first, spokespersons for Islamic lobby groups issue warnings about an imminent backlash against Muslims.

 

In fairness to British organisations, I believe they were beaten to the punch by the head of the Canadian Islamic Congress whose instant response to the London bombings was to issue a statement calling for prayers that "Canadian Muslims will not pay a price for being found guilty by association".

 

In most circumstances it would be regarded as appallingly bad taste to deflect attention from an actual "hate crime" by scaremongering about a non-existent one. But it seems the real tragedy of every act of "intolerance" by Islamist bigots is that it might hypothetically provoke even more intolerance from us irredeemable white imperialist racists. My colleague Peter Simple must surely marvel at how the identity-group grievance industry has effortlessly diversified into pre-emptively complaining about acts of prejudice that have not yet occurred.

 

Among those of us who aren't Muslim, meanwhile, there's a stampede to be first to the microphone to say that "of course" we all know that "the vast majority of Muslims" are not terrorists but law-abiding peace-loving people who share our revulsion at these appalling events, etc.

 

Mr Blair won that contest on Thursday, followed closely by Brian Paddick and full supporting cast. If "of course" Mr Blair and Mr Paddick and the rest do indeed know that "the vast majority of Muslims" do not favour terrorism, is that because they've run the numbers and have a ballpark figure on the very very very slim minority of Muslims who do? And, if so, what is it? 0.02 per cent? Or two per cent? Or 20 per cent?

 

And, if they haven't run the numbers, why do they claim to speak with authority on this matter? If it were just a question of rhetorical sensitivity, I'd be happy to go along with Mr Paddick's multiculti pap and insist that "Islam and terrorism don't go together" - events in Beslan, Bali, Israel, Nigeria, Kashmir, etc, notwithstanding. But the danger in separating "Islam" from "terrorism" is that it leads the control-freaks of the nanny state into thinking that "terrorism" is something that can be dealt with by border security, ID cards, retinal scans, metal detectors. It can't.

 

Terrorism ends when the broader culture refuses to tolerate it. There would be few if any suicide bombers in the Middle East if "martyrdom" were not glorified by imams and politicians, if pictures of local "martyrs" were not proudly displayed in West Bank grocery stores, if Muslim banks did not offer special "martyrdom" accounts to the relicts thereof, if schools did not run essay competitions on "Why I want to grow up to be a martyr".

 

At this point, many readers will be indignantly protesting that this is all the fault of Israeli "occupation", but how does that explain suicide bombings in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where there's not a Zionist oppressor for hundreds of miles? Islam has become the world's pre-eminent incubator of terrorism at its most depraved. Indeed, so far London has experienced only the lighter items on the bill of fare - random bombing of public transport rather than decapitation, child sacrifice and schoolhouse massacres.

 

Most of us instinctively understand that when a senior Metropolitan Police figure says bullishly that "Islam and terrorism don't go together", he's talking drivel.

 

Many of us excuse it on the grounds that, well, golly, it must be a bit embarrassing to be a Muslim on days like last Thursday and it doesn't do any harm to cheer 'em up a bit with some harmless feel-good blather. But is this so?

 

Why are we surprised that "Muslim moderates" rarely speak out against the evil committed by their co-religionists when the likes of Mr Paddick keep assuring us there's no problem? It requires great courage to be a dissenting Muslim in communities dominated by heavy-handed imams and lobby groups that function effectively as thought-police.

 

Yet all you hear from Mr Paddick is: "Move along, folks, there's nothing to see here." This is the same approach, incidentally, that the authorities took in their long refusal to investigate seriously the 120 or so "honour killings" among British Muslims.

 

Just as the police did poor Muslim girls no favours by their excessive cultural sensitivity, so they're now doing the broader Muslim community no favours. The Blair-Paddick strategy only provides a slathering of mindless multiculti fudge topping over the many layers of constraint that prevent Islam beginning an honest conversation with itself.

 

Unlike Malaya or the Mau-Mau or the IRA, this is a global counter-terrorism operation across widely differing terrain, geographical and psychological. We need to be able to kill, constrain, coerce or coax as appropriate.

 

Kill terrorists when the opportunity presents itself, as 1,200 "insurgents" were said to have been killed in one recent engagement on the Syria/Iraq border the other day. Constrain the ideology behind Thursday's bombing by outlawing Saudi funding of British mosques and other institutions. Coerce our more laggardly allies like General Musharraf into shutting down his section of the Saudi-Pakistani-Londonistan Wahhabist pipeline.

 

But the coaxing is what counts - wooing moderate Muslims into reclaiming their religion. We can take steps to prevent Islamic terrorists killing us, most of the time. But Islamic terrorists will only stop trying to kill us when their culture reviles them rather than celebrates them.

 

There are signs in the last week's Muslim newspapers, in London and abroad, that some eminent voices are beginning to speak out. At such a moment, Britain should be on the side of free speech and open debate. Instead, the state is attempting to steamroller through a grotesque law at the behest of already unduly influential Islamic lobby groups. One of its principal effects will be to inhibit Muslim reformers. Shame on us for championing Islamic thought-police over Western liberty.

 

 

[krsna]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4677209.stm

[krsna]

 

 

 

 

"Among the Mohammedans was a grave person who was wearing a black dress. People called him a saintly person.

 

 

The heart of that saintly person softened upon seeing Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. He wanted to talk to Him and establish impersonal Brahman on the basis of his own scripture, the Koran.

 

 

When that person established the impersonal Brahman conception of the Absolute Truth on the basis of the Koran, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu refuted his argument.

 

 

Whatever arguments he put forward, the Lord refuted them all. Finally the person became stunned and could not speak.

 

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, The Koran has certainly established impersonalism, but at the end it refutes that impersonalism and establishes the personal God.

 

 

The Koran accepts the fact that ultimately there is only one God. He is full of opulence, and His bodily complexion is blackish.

 

PURPORT: The revealed scripture of the Mohammedans is the Koran. There is one Mohammedan sampradaya known as the Sufis. The Sufis accept impersonalism, believing in the oneness of the living entity with the Absolute Truth. Their supreme slogan is analahak. The Sufi sampradaya was certainly derived from Sankaracarya's impersonalists.

 

According to the Koran, the Lord has a supreme, blissful, transcendental body. He is the Absolute Truth, the all-pervading, omniscient and eternal being. He is the origin of everything.

 

 

Creation, maintenance and dissolution come from Him. He is the original shelter of all gross and subtle cosmic manifestations.

 

 

The Lord is the Supreme Truth worshipable by everyone. He is the cause of all causes. By engaging in His devotional service, the living entity is relieved from material existence.

 

 

No conditioned soul can get out of material bondage without serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Love at His lotus feet is the ultimate goal of life.

 

 

PURPORT: According to the Mohammedan scripture, without evadat, offering prayers at a mosque or elsewhere five times daily (namaja), one cannot be successful in life. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu pointed out that in the revealed scripture of the Mohammedans, love of Godhead is the ultimate goal. Karma-yoga and jnana-yoga are certainly described in the Koran, but ultimately the Koran states that the ultimate goal is the offering of prayers to the Supreme Person (evadat).

 

 

The happiness of liberation, whereby one merges into the Lord's existence, cannot even be compared to a fragment of the transcendental bliss obtained by service unto the Lord's lotus feet.

 

 

In the Koran there are descriptions of fruitive activity, speculative knowledge, mystic power and union with the Supreme, but ultimately everything is refuted as the Lord's personal feature and His devotional service is established.

 

 

The scholars of the Koran are not very advanced in knowledge. Although there are many methods prescribed, they do not know that the ultimate conclusion should be considered the most powerful.

 

 

Seeing your own Koran and deliberating over what is written there, what is your conclusion?

 

 

The saintly Mohammedan replied, All that You have said is true. This has certainly been written in the Koran, but our scholars can neither understand nor accept it.

 

 

Usually they describe the Lord's impersonal aspect, but they hardly know that the Lord's personal feature is worshipable. They are undoubtedly lacking this knowledge.

 

 

PURPORT: The saintly Mohammedan admitted that those who were supposedly conversant in the teachings of the Koran could not ultimately understand the essence of the Koran. Because of this, they accepted only the Lord's impersonal feature. Generally they recite and explain this portion only. Although the transcendental body of the Lord is worshipable, most of them are unaware of this.

 

 

Since You are that very same Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself, please be merciful upon me. I am fallen and unfit.

 

 

I have studied the Mohammedan scripture very extensively, but from it I cannot conclusively decide what the ultimate goal of life is or how I can approach it.

 

 

Now that I have seen You, my tongue is chanting the Hare Krsna maha mantra. The false prestige I felt from being a learned scholar is now gone.

 

 

Saying this, the saintly Mohammedan fell at the lotus feet of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and requested Him to speak of life's ultimate goal and the process by which it could be obtained.

 

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said, Please get up. You have chanted the holy name of Krsna; therefore the sinful reactions you have accrued for many millions of lives are now gone. You are now pure.

 

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu then told all the Mohammedans there, Chant the holy name of Krsna! Chant the holy name of Krsna! As they all began to chant, they were overwhelmed by ecstatic love.

 

 

In this way Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu indirectly initiated the saintly Mohammedan by advising him to chant the holy name of Krsna. The Mohammedan's name was changed to Ramadasa. There was also another Pathana Moslem present whose name was Vijuli Khan.

 

 

PURPORT: After being initiated, the devotees in the Krsna consciousness movement change their names. Whenever a person in the Western world becomes interested in this Krsna consciousness movement, he is initiated by this process. In India we are falsely accused of converting mlecchas and yavanas into the Hindu religion. In India there are many Mayavadi sannyasis known as jagad-guru, although they have hardly visited the whole world. Some are not even sufficiently educated, yet they make accusations against our movement and accuse us of destroying the principles of the Hindu religion by accepting Mohammedans and yavanas as Vaisnavas. Such people are simply envious. We are not spoiling the Hindu system of religion but are simply following in the footsteps of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu by traveling all over the world and accepting those who are interested in understanding Krsna as Krsnadasa or Ramadasa. By the process of a bona fide initiation, their names are changed.

 

 

Vijuli Khan was very young, and he was the son of the king. All the other Mohammedans, Pathanas, headed by Ramadasa, were his servants.

 

 

Vijuli Khan also fell down at the lotus feet of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and the Lord placed His foot on his head.

 

 

Bestowing His mercy upon them in this way, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu left. All the Pathana Mohammedans then became mendicants.

 

 

Later these very Pathanas became celebrated as the Pathana Vaisnavas. They toured all over the country and chanted the glorious activities of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

 

 

Vijuli Khan became a greatly advanced devotee, and his importance was celebrated at every holy place of pilgrimage."

 

Caitanya-caritamrta, Madyam lila 18:186-212

 

Bhaktivedanta Book Trust. Excerpted from various texts and purports of HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada.

 

[theist]

Anybody else see the strange irony in this?

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Pakistan trains collide, many feared dead

Last Updated Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:29:46 EDT

CBC News

A series of train collisions in southern Pakistan has killed more than 100 people.

 

The total number of dead may not be known for many hours as rescuers struggle to free people from the wreckage, but officials say "many people have been killed or wounded."

 

 

One police official in Ghotki says there could be more than 200 dead and more than 1,000 injured.

 

The trains collided in the early morning at the train station in Ghotki, about 500 kilometres northeast of Karachi.

 

According to railway officials one train slammed into another train that was sitting at the Ghotki station. Cars from the first accident toppled onto the adjoining tracks and an oncoming third train slammed into the fallen cars and debris.

 

One of the trains involved in the accident - the train sitting in the station - was the Quetta Express. It apparently developed a problem and technicians were trying to make repairs when it was hit by the Karachi Express.

 

The third train involved in the accident was the Tezgam Express which runs from Karachi to Rawalpindi.

 

 

 

[krsna]

Iran with an Islamic terrorist theocratic government can not be trusted to have nuclear Energy. It is the one country in the world that can not be trusted unless there is a regime change.

 

Here is an exmple why: TEHRAN, Iran -- Some 200 masked young men and women gathered at a Tehran cemetery Thursday to pledge their willingness to carry out suicide bomb attacks against Americans in Iraq and Israelis.

 

The ceremony was organized by the Headquarters for Commemorating Martyrs of the Global Islamic Movement, a shadowy group that has since June been seeking volunteers for attacks in Iraq and Israel.

 

A spokesman, Ali Mohammadi, described the group meeting Thursday as the "first suicide commando unit," though another official has claimed members already have carried out attacks in Israel.

 

"Sooner or later we will bury all blasphemous occupiers of Islamic lands," Mohammadi said.

 

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If only 200 show up out of a population of 60 million, doesn't that also demonstrate they're scraping the bottom of the barrel now?

 

What do you do when 200 terrorists are ready to die for their cause?

 

Accommodate them.

 

I'm sorry but the ideology of Islamofascism is a culture and religion stuck in the darkness of the 12th Century that has not undergone a period of reformation or enlightenment. This is no religion of peace that sanctions the slaughter of innocents.

 

(Islamonazism and Islamofascism are terms used to describe the use of Nazi and/or fascist terminology, beliefs and propaganda by Islamic religious and political leaders, generally manifesting itself in calls for the destruction of the world and it's "infidels" (non-Muslims) in general.)

 

 

 

Iran,a known terrorist state is very close to having a nuclear weapon. We can worry about "Iranian democracy" later. First comes the safety of America,our allies and our interests. Destroy the mullahs...strike Iran now!

 

The future of Iran has major strategic policy consequences for the US in this region. A majority of the Iranian people who consider themselves Persian and not Arabic, would overthrow this radical Islamic theocracy if given a chance

 

 

The fact remains that Ameica's war against Islamic terror is the whole world's war against Islamo_Fascism and Islamic terrorism.

 

The fact is that Islam is pure evil dressed up as "peaceful" by some muslims.

 

 

Deal with the facts. Muhammad child raped a 9 year old little girl when in her own words was still playing with her dolls.

 

Then there is Muhammad slaughter of the entire male population of a tribe in Medina. Not to mention his muslims terrorist being told to kill his political enemies including an old man and a women with children. because those bad folks made fun of his pagan moon god cult.

 

Then there is Muhammad's muslim terrorist killing and stealing from Mecca caravans during the pagan Ramadan. They were told to bring back 20% of the stolen goods to Muhamhead to please allah of course.

 

And how do you like the koran telling men to beat their wives? It even tells the kind of stick to use.

 

Then there is the koran's promises of virgins, endless drunkeness (rivers of wine) and homosexual peophilia (young boys as fine as pearls).

 

Islamic terrorism is based on Islam as revealed through the Qu’ran.There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism, which is a totalitarian construct.

In Islam All infidels are to be converted, enslaved or killed.As long as the Koran exists, Islam will continue to oppress, murder, enslave, threaten, lie and terrorize innocent people.

 

When I think of what type of people order their followers to commit murder, I only can think of organized crime bosses or corrupt political figures. Ayatollah Khomenni comes to mind. How would an Iranian be treated if he spoke out about Khomenni ? Amnesty International just reported that many political prisoners have been executed in Iran.

His fundamentalist Islamic regime had other dissident Iranians murdered all over the world. These murderous Muslims represent exactly what Muhammad was all about. They follow Muhammad's methodology: kill those who are a threat to your credibility and power over others.

 

Hizbollah and other Islamic terrorist groups for example knows exactly what they are doing. They know it is cold-blooded murder that they are committing upon Muhammad's request.

 

With the Islamic terrorists , "enemy personnel" can be anyone from an English Hi humanitarian worker in Iraq, an Indian Kafir(Infidel who doesn't believe in Allah), a Russian,A communist, An Algerian muslim kid, a Dutch filmmaker(van Gough) or Jewish toddler.

 

In short, the enemy is anyone not a Muslim(or sometimes a muslim) who does not believe the world is destined to be ruled by Islam.

[krsna]

Heroic People of Britain,

 

 

The Islamic terrorists can take down a building, bomb a train, and kill and maim innocent people but they will not break the resolve of the people who stand united to defend liberty and freedom.

 

 

If the people of the world who value peace, freedom, and human rights unite and put pressure on spineless European politicians and media to tackle the Islamic fundamentalists head on, we will not be defeated.

 

 

Islamic terror networks that finance, harbor, brainwash and train these thugs and extremists are appearing all over Europe under different guises. Islamic apologists appear too often on our televisions and try to justify terror acts.

 

 

Remember how the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, invited Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, and gave him a red carpet treatment. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, is the Islamic cleric who justifies suicide bombings as an act of Islamic martyrdom. Yusuf Al-Qaradawi supports beating of women and female circumcisions, yet the Mayor of London decided to give him a platform last year.

 

 

The European politicians have courted and bowed to the Ayatollahs in the Islamic Republic for over 25 years, just for the sake of a few short-term business contracts.

 

Meanwhile the Islamic Republic of Iran has continued to finance and sustain terror groups throughout the world. Now the Islamic Republic is close to obtaining nuclear weapons. Will you let the Islamic clerics in Iran obtain nuclear weapons?

 

Make Islamic Fundamentalism History!

 

 

 

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Kind Regards,

 

 

Potkin Azarmehr

[Guest guest]

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Investigators probing the London terror bombings are focusing on an elusive British Muslim suspect who is connected to a previous plot to set up a terrorist training camp in rural southern Oregon, according to U.S. counterterrorism officials.

 

Officials told both NBC News and CNN Wednesday that Haroon Rashid Aswat, believed to be a mastermind of the London bombings, is the same British-born Muslim of Indian descent who scouted a Bly, Oregon ranch to set up a terror camp.

 

These officials said Aswat, a Pakistani national being sought for questioning as a person of interest by British authorities, was among three unindicted co-conspirators in the Oregon incident.

 

U.S. officials said a 2002 indictment in the Bly case links Aswat directly to Abu Hamza al-Masri, a fiery, one-eyed radical cleric from a London mosque who is now on trial in Britain for possessing al-Qaida literature and inciting the killing of Jews and other non-Muslims.

 

"I think this just gives us a glimpse into what might be happening inside the United States," said retired Air Force Lt. Col. Rick Francona, an NBC News terrorism expert. "We were able to uncover one operation — how many others are out there?"

 

"What's very scary is not only can they travel very easily through Europe, they could travel very easily to the United States because of their British citizenship," added retired Portland State University professer Gary Perlstein, a KGW terrorism expert.

 

The documents reveal Aswat worked with a Seattle man, James Ujaama, who pleaded guilty in 2003 to a charge of providing support to the Taliban for his role in trying to set up the "jihad training camp." Ujaama is now cooperating with federal prosecutors.

 

The southern Oregon ranch that may have been scouted as a potential terrorist training camp. (KGW Photo)

 

Court documents in the Ujaama case said a conspirator, whom U.S. officials identified as Aswat, arrived in New York City in November 1999 on Abu Hamza's orders. He made his way to Oregon, according to the documents, "for the purpose of evaluating the Bly property as a jihad training camp."

 

In the indictment, prosecutors also alleged the conspirators "met potential candidates for jihad training ... established security for the Bly property ... and they and others participated in firearms training and viewed a video recording on the subject of improvised poisons."

 

The documents also said Aswat, along with another conspirator, lived in Seattle in early 2000 and "expounded on the teachings" of Abu Hamza.

 

Aswat, in his early 30s, has family that lives in Leeds in northern England, where three of the four suspected London suicide bombers resided. At his family's house, neighbors said they haven't seen Aswat in nearly 10 years.

 

Aswat's believed to be hiding out in Pakistan, where government officials said he wasn't in custody and remained at large as of Wednesday night.

[gHari]

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4711003.stm