Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 All Incarnations are the same. If you follow raam as Ishtadev, this doesnt mean that You wont attain salvation. The fact is that you will and then attain his abode vaikuntha. He is the very same Krishna. I follow Krishna and raam. They are both one. Where do all these people get these weird thoughts about how even the incarnations think different of each other for how can the yif they are one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 The Lord has different moods of enjoyment and so do His devotees have different moods to faciltate His moods. When He wants to enjoy his Mother Yashoda offering Him her breast milk He will not appear as in the dress or mood of Rama laying seige to Sri Lanka. Further Hanuman will not be in that simple village parental mood as he wants to serve by teaching Ravanna suitable lessons for his offenses to Sita Rama. So this is not a problem for the Lord as He is Krsna and He is Rama and neither is time a problem as He finds it easy to perform as these pastimes simultaneously and perpetually through His infinite expansions. The Lord houses all these seeming contradictions perfectly and harmoniously. So differences will appear in the devotees desire for particular forms of service but that is quite OK. The spiritual world is one of Absolute Relativity. Viva la differance. Wee wee. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 One point is that salvation is not the goal, pleasing the Lord is the goal. At least that is for the topmost devotees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shvu Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 One point is that salvation is not the goal, pleasing the Lord is the goal. At least that is for the topmost devotees Pleasing the Lord implies the Lord is not curently pleased for if the Lord is always pleased, then he cannot, doesn not have to be pleased. But being pleased and non-pleased are sentiments of humans and animals. The Lord being pari-poorna (complete) and perfect, is beyond such sentiments. How can he be pleased? Or better still, what can happen that may "unplease" him which will require pleasing by "topmost devotees" as you put it? Have you really thought this through? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 God is always pleased within Himself but that doesn't mean He is specifically pleased with me. We think of the Lord as this big ocean that is already full and therefore cannot hold anymore water but that is not the case. 'All the way full' is a limitation. Krsna can be all the way pleased and yet His pleasure is ever increasing. His devotees are not separate from Him. They are included in His source of pleasure. Ordinary math does not apply to Krsna. It may be true that we cannot substract from Him but through love we can add to Him because we are not separate from Him. Acintya. But as we have discussed many times shvu you take the mayavadi viewpoint so I don't expect you to agree. Hare Krsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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