thehat Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Woa this topic had been dug up from 2005! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathless Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 if you water the tree all parts will will get nourishment. So call love ( lust) for each other has no use in spiritual life.You can love Krishna/God and not be a member of ISKCON. Just saying. And, if you really think that spousal love is solely about lust, then you have no idea what marriage is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathless Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 This Gaudiya Math/Iskcon thing surely should not come before love (I am not talking about lust here). And if it does, in my opinion, there must be some incorrect spiritual teaching in one of the groups involved. Very well said, bija. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathless Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 ..."What is love, but whatever my heart needs around? (song lyric)"... Material or spiritual lust? It depends on what we desire. Desire is always there one way or another. I didn't mean love in the sense of desire or lust. If I meant desire or lust, I would have said one or both of those terms. I do not consider lust to be a part of love. Love is grounded in mutual respect and caring, in my opinion. Lust is based solely on the baser instincts and wanting to fulfill one's own desires, with self-interest being the primary objective. Lust is not what marriage is based on. It is based on respect and love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathless Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 1. Well I can't say for certain, but it seems like the case that you have to be initiated in ISKCON specifically. To this day I haven't met any married couples in iskcon who've been initiated by a guru outside of their own ISKCON school. So i've never see an ISKCON devotee married to a Gaudiya Math or Christian devotee etc.It seems the case that the married couples first started off in brahmachari or brahmacharini ashrams, and then eventually after some training, married persons from their own school. I haven't seen them getting married to outsiders. Wow. That's very strange. 2. I don't know if marriage between the two schools is completely out of the question, I can't say that. It just seems like an unspoken 'thing' the iskcon devotees abide by. But I'm only under this impression because I've never met an isckon devotee who just so happened to be married to someone who wasn't part of iskcon. Maybe there are iskcon devotees married to devotees from gaudiya math. It's just I haven't seen it, and most of the devotees in iskcon seem like they'd want to be married within the same family. It certainly be more comfortable. Of course the central focus or basis of any relationship for a Gaudiya Vaishnava would be Krishna of course, so it seems silly that there would be restrictions on marriage between people of the same Gaudiya vaishnav background. It's not like there's discussion of marriage between a devotee an atheist. But then as dev had said in his comment "If she/he follows 4 regulative principles and chant 16 rounds as prescribed in ISKCON then go ahead with this relation." This might be quite an important factor for the person.. Yes, I suppose that might be their primary concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathless Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Woa this topic had been dug up from 2005! Really?! Hmmm... I wonder if they ever got married or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bija Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I didn't mean love in the sense of desire or lust. If I meant desire or lust, I would have said one or both of those terms. I do not consider lust to be a part of love. Love is grounded in mutual respect and caring, in my opinion. Lust is based solely on the baser instincts and wanting to fulfill one's own desires, with self-interest being the primary objective. Lust is not what marriage is based on. It is based on respect and love. Yes, feel the same here deathless. Sometimes I think as a devotee (can only speak for myself), one can be very impersonal and falsely renounced (missing out on the simplicity of relationship - with god in the centre). I do not consider lust to be a part of love. Radha and Krsna are very lusty. Really?! Hmmm... I wonder if they ever got married or not? Wondered the same. Maybe they did, or love may have come and gone several times since;). Yes, I suppose that might be their primary concern. Yeah that's it hey deathless, each to their own way and choosing. All the best to them as they follow their hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathless Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Yes, feel the same here deathless. Sometimes I think as a devotee (can only speak for myself), one can be very impersonal and falsely renounced (missing out on the simplicity of relationship - with god in the centre). Very true. Radha and Krsna are very lusty. Hahaha! Wondered the same. Maybe they did, or love may have come and gone several times since;). Yeah, maybe it has. Yeah that's it hey deathless, each to their own way and choosing. All the best to them as they follow their hearts. Amen to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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