The Money Masters

[Guest guest]

THE FEDERAL RESERVE FRAUD

 

The first misconception that most people have is that the Federal Reserve Bank is a branch of the US government. IT IS NOT. THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. Most people believe it is as American as the Constitution. THE FACT IS THE CONSTITUTION FORBIDS IT'S EXISTENCE. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to create money and regulate the value thereof, NOT A BUNCH OF INTERNATIONAL BANKERS! Today the FED controls and profits by printing WORTHLESS PAPER, called money, through the Treasury, regulating its value, AND THE BIGGEST OUTRAGE OF ALL, COLLECTING INTEREST ON IT! (THE SO-CALLED NATIONAL DEBT). The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners, stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share - the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison. The FED banking system collects billions of dollars in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money through the Treasury at no interest to the FED.

The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud. Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed: 1. Rothschild Bank of London 2. Warburg Bank of Hamburg 3. Rothschild Bank of Berlin 4. Lehman Brothers of New York 5. Lazard Brothers of Paris 6. Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York 7. Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy 8. Goldman, Sachs of New York 9. Warburg Bank of Amsterdam 10. Chase Manhattan Bank of New York.

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America where our forefathers were fighting their own government, they planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt. The individuals listed below owned banks which in turn owned shares in the FED. The banks listed below have significant control over the New York FED District, which controls the other 11 FED Districts. These banks also are partly foreign owned and control the New York FED District Bank: First National Bank of New York, James Stillman National City Bank, New York, Mary W. Harnman, National Bank of Commerce, New York, A.D. Jiullard Hanover, National Bank, New York, Jacob Schiff, Chase National Bank, New York, Thomas F. Ryan, Paul Warburg, William Rockefeller, Levi P. Morton, M.T. Pyne, George F. Baker, Percy Pyne, Mrs. G.F. St. George, J.W. Sterling, Katherine St. George, H.P. Davidson, J.P. Morgan (Equitable Life/Mutual Life), Edith Brevour, T. Baker.

How did it happen? After previous attempts to push the Federal Reserve Act through Congress, a group of bankers funded and staffed Woodrow Wilson's campaign for President. He had committed to sign this act. In 1913, a Senator, Nelson Aldrich, maternal grandfather to the Rockefellers, pushed the Federal Reserve Act through Congress just before Christmas when much of Congress was on vacation. When elected, Wilson passed the FED. Later, Wilson remorsefully replied, referring to the FED, "I have unwittingly ruined my country". Now the banks financially back sympathetic candidates. Not surprisingly, most of these candidates are elected.

 

[Guest guest]

they did the same in India, as soon India declared its independence the opposite was true, the Rupee currency became the property of the private Bank of England and is loaned to the State of India against interest. Same happened with almost all countries in Asia, therefor you find all of them presently hopelessly indepted. In order to have a debt relief, India shipped 1991 33,000 tons of gold to London.

 

"Gold is back with its customary charisma. I will tell you an amusing aside. The British Chancellor of the Exchequer may have thought he was getting rid of it. But as we speak today gold is being flown back to London in crates: Brinks Mat vans are busy delivering consignment stocks flown back from lying idle in all parts of the world to London, to the Bank of England and to other gold depositaries. Bullion banks need them for their liquidity."

 

 

[Guest guest]

fractional reserve banking is ruining the global economy.......why? because for every dollar you place in the bank they loan out 10 to 30 times what they have in reserves and take interest on the money that they lend out generated from thin air.

 

This causes an increase of money which causes inflation and therefore we can see the price of goods are getting higher and higher.

 

The banker's are controlling the wealth without any kshatrya's to keep them in check so they dont exploit the population and take advantage of there position.

 

To fix the economy world wide we must get rid of fractional reserve banking, there is no other way. Fractional reserve banking is simply exploitation of sudra's by vaishya's and nothing more.

 

The vaishya's have the intelligence if unchecked to completely impoverish the whole world, it is there nature to perform business for profit but when unchecked they become consumed with greed and power.

 

We must wake up to the fact that FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING IS DESTROYING THE ECONOMY.

 

The gap between the rich and poor will only get bigger if the vaishya's are allowed to continue exploiting the lesser intelligent population.

 

Basically fractional reserve banking is a scam. If anybody try's to print money they go to jail, so why are individuals that own banks allowed to lend money that doesn't exist(it's the same as printing money) and recieve interest payments on the the money created out of thin air.

 

If everybody at once decided to take there money out of all the banks around the world what do you think would happen? They would be able to pay about 3% of your money that they say they keep safely for you in the vault down stairs.

The economy would shatter, just see how fragile our inflated economy has become, money now can be simply generated on the computer, they dont even need to print it.

[Guest guest]

...where did you find all this information? Got some links to sources? Thank you.

 

BDM

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

...only a symptom of kali yuga - more paper than gold...

 

As for the rest of your posting - well the fact is you've no evidence - just conjectures...

[Guest guest]

Hey... [re: Guest]

01/28/06 10:15 PM Edit Reply

...where did you find all this information? Got some links to sources? Thank you.

 

BDM

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Thanks BDM, for yourself being a real, honest Vaishnava you're right, we need actual authority to back up statements, no hollow proclamations.

On the other hand, if you have a shop, would you hang up a signboard to be read by the customers how much you gain when they buy from you and dont leave us with no evidence - just conjectures ( using Sir Bhakta Don Muntean's vocabulary)?

Henry Makow is an accredited capacity of understanding global coherencies and what he says is surely backed up by solid historical proof. If you dont mind that he's Jewish and dont mind that it takes some time to update your present limited view about what's actually going on in this world, visit:

http://www.savethemales.ca/001322.html

 

Remember, preaching in this age of kali becomes more effective when understanding the tricks of the demons and not being illusioned yourself by their fraud while teaching pure bhagavat-dharma to the innocent. Chanakya Pandit says that there are three things which must be taken care of immediately: debt, disease and fire. Presently the whole world is indebted - nations, countries, cities, families, individuals.

Henry Makow will shed some light about who are the originators of turning this planet into hell.

Another important article by Bh. Henry:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=1885

[Guest guest]

jesus christ bhakta don open your eyes, there's a ton of proof.

 

Do a google search and little bit of research, wow thats easy.

[Guest guest]

http://www.themoneymasters.com

 

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/money-masters.html

 

are you trying to say we dont use fractional reserve banking, here's a link from wikipedia,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

 

here's a link from that states the federal reserve is quote

"It is a system of eight to twelve regional reserve banks, owned by its commercial member banks and supervised by the Federal Reserve Board."

As you can see it's not owned by the government but by individuals who own banks themselves.

[Guest guest]

for the reserve bank ownership.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System

[Guest guest]

is it simply still "just conjectures".

 

is this the evidence you requested or still not enough!

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

Hey there are a lot of Italians in the pizza business – do you think that there is some Italian conspiracy to control the manufacture and distribution of pizzas?

 

Heck there are a lot of Oriental’s in the restaurant business – would that mean that the Orientals are caballing the manufacture and distribution of noodles and stir-fry?

 

Wow there are a lot of south Asians driving taxis – I guess they are in a conspiracy to control the taxi industry?

 

There is a whole bunch of ‘everybody’ - doing everything – you’re so jaded to keep harping on this point – I certainly do not accept that there is a Jewish control over the banking systems…

 

I think that there is a real conspiracy in our society though – and it is centered about the efforts to profile and marginalize people of Jewish backgrounds – there is so much evidence to support it – as for your ‘savethemales’ site by that Makow [is he a christian now?] – who cares! Just because he is Jewish we are to accept what he says about Jewish history? I do not accept that.

 

How much Saudi money is in America? How much do they control? Or is that a profiling too?

 

BDM

 

[Bhakta Don Muntean]

...whatever the case - all the players are to see that GOD is in control...and soon.

 

Quote:

 

Solomon was in many ways also a type of the Antichrist, who is called “the Beast.”

 

“Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold...” – 1 Kings 10:14

 

“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man (Solomon?); and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.” – Rev. 13:18

 

[...]

 

To determine this, the following report documents the parallels in the lives and works of King Solomon, Jesus Christ, the Antichrist and the Merovingian kings. The correspondences between these personages are presented in the form of tables. This format was chosen to enable the reader to see the various similarities and contrasts side by side. In the last category, the Merovingian kings, information is presented about the current heir apparent of the Merovingian dynasty who is being groomed for the role of the Jewish false messiah – Thomas Plantard de Saint-Clair, the Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion.*

 

* The Prieuré de Sion is probably a front for the the Learned Elders of Zion, the high cabal of International Jewry responsible for the Protocols of Zion. The House of Rothschild (Ruth’s Child) is believed to be the “hidden hand” behind the Protocols, B’nai B’rith and the Order/Priory of Zion. In The Secret Powers Behind the Revolution, Leon de Poncins associated a B’nai Zion with B’nai B’rith, but over it, with yet a supreme council over B’nai Zion, which means “Sons of Zion.” “According to well-informed sources, there is in the B’nai B’rith a super-position of secret societies ending in a single governing power. Above the B’nai B’rith are the B’nai Moshe, then the B’nai Zion, and finally the hidden center of supreme command.”

 

 

http://watch.pair.com/solomon.html

 

Reply:

 

So that is where your expert - Henry Makow - that's where his 'story' links go...

 

What a bunch of bent propaganda it all is!

 

Some twisted out-of-context facts and many more so-called facts NOT even worth considering [like the stupid quote above where the writer draws a very obviously stupid conclusion from the two bible quotes]...

 

Then it falls into the trash with all that antichrist propaganda and the Jewish expectation of a 'messiah'.

 

Of course - the Prophet Jesus [who was an empowered incarnation] was not the messiah.

 

That then begs the question - who is he and - when is he?

 

Proper studies of the texts reveal a great deal of easily understood material.

 

In the scriptures we find points that enter clues on these points - to have a fair idea about the subject we have to be fair and true to the texts - if we do that we see many points.

 

Looks like he has a lot of enemies already!

 

One point the evangelical fighters of the so-called 'satanic messiah' preach is that the bible states that the Jewish 'messiah' [who is really the antichrist] shall have an inexplicable deadly head wound - that is healed and that 'the world wonders after him' due to this.

 

This twisting has its connection to the ancient prophesy of Habakkuk - which says that 'the head' of the messiah was to be wounded down unto the neck - and of course - such a thing as an inexplicable healed fatal head wound in someone - would be evidence of a 'supernatural' connection - a fatal head wound inflicted in secret 'out of the house of the wicked' [for whatever reasons] and then the person is healed by God. This is part of why he is a sign unto people.

 

Thou art come forth for the deliverance of Thy people, for the deliverance of Thine anointed; Thou woundest the head out of the house of the wicked, uncovering the foundation even unto the neck. Selah {P} [Habakkuk 3.13]

 

Later in writing the book of revelation - the beast noted is Nero and - there was a legend that he was healed of a deadly head wound.

 

I saw that one of its heads seemed to have been mortally wounded, but this mortal wound was healed. 3 Fascinated, the whole world followed after the beast. [Rev 13.3]

 

Footnote:

 

3 [3] This may be a reference to the popular legend that Nero would come back to life and rule again after his death (which occurred in A.D. 68 from a self-inflicted stab wound in the throat); cf Rev 13:14; Rev 17:8. Domitian (A.D. 81-96) embodied all the cruelty and impiety of Nero. Cf Introduction.

 

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation13.htm

 

The book of revelation is NOT about our future. However the end-times propagandists have seen and noted certain elements of messianic prophesy and they have created a litany of spin - on all of it.

 

If there is any attempt to make sense of this linked nonsense from your posting expert Mr. Makow - it is tainted by the actual fact that there is a sick propaganda at work in these writings - trying to push a end-times evangelical lie and - worse...

 

 

PS:

 

More aberrations - from them links:

 

During the first half of the Tribulation period, the microchip implant will serve the ends of the New World Order as a counterfeit mark of the beast. To further deceive the masses, a *false* Antichrist and *false* False Prophet will also be staged and judged at mid-Tribulation by the *real* Antichrist, who poses as *The Christ.*

 

At mid-Tribulation, after approximately one half of the world has been devastated, mankind will be forced to revert to a system of barter and exchange which, even now, appears to be in the planning stages. 10. The true mark of the beast--the 6-pointed star and other variations of the 666 motif--will be tattooed upon those who give their allegiance to Satan at the Luciferic initiation.

 

http://watch.pair.com/stuph.html

 

Just see how bent the propaganda really gets - what's worse is all this bogus prophesy interpretation [and fictional Satan] - is accepted as fact - by so many people.

 

Oh have the 'facts changed' [!] - so much so - that the 'six pointed star theory' as presented by the noted site - is out the door:

 

Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

 

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist...Where more conventional versions of the Bible give 666 as the "number of the beast," or the sign of the anti-Christ whose coming is predicted in the book's apocalyptic verses, the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616...Elijah Dann, a professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, said the new number is unlikely to make a dent in the popularity of 666.

 

"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it...

 

http://66.94.231.168/search/cache?p=mark+of+beast+616&ei=UTF-8&u=www.religionnewsblog.com/11134&w=mark+beast+616&d=B_smj21aMIHW&icp=1&.intl=ca

 

So there we have it - truth bears out this irrational 'mark of the beast and the six pointed star' nonsense!

 

The same negating fact checks can be done with all this garbage.

 

As noted - there is going to be 'in those days' some kind of messianic 'servant of rulers' of a ten-member 'super-state' - he later intercedes with an 'angry' Lord for these leaders - [see Isaiah 53.12]:

 

Thus saith the LORD of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.' [Zechariah 8.23]

 

Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, his Holy One, to him who is despised of men, to him who is abhorred of nations, to a servant of rulers: kings shall see and arise, princes, and they shall prostrate themselves; because of the LORD that is faithful, even the Holy One of Israel, who hath chosen thee.

 

Thus saith the LORD: In an acceptable time have I answered thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee; and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to raise up the land, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; [isaiah 49.7-8]

 

He is not to be born until after the scattering of the people from Jerusalem and Judea - by the romans in 70 C.E. and - we might see a clue as to what generation he is born into - through these quotes:

 

But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days.

 

Therefore will He give them up [beth-lehem Ephrathah], until the time that she who travaileth hath brought forth; then the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel. [Micah 5.1-2

 

We know when Beth-lehem [and Jerusalem] was 'given-up' - so when was it again under the rule of a Jewish nation?

 

It was in early June - 1967. So we see that in text 2 - after he is born [outside of Israel!!] they [beth-lehem Ephrathah] are no longer 'given-up' and one day - he and 'the residue of his brethren shall return with the children of Israel'.

 

So that is an interesting point on this. It is simple really...anyone can be an interpreter of these things...?

 

We certainly know from the texts that he is an individual jiva soul - not someone who is any kind of incarnation [he is a reincarnation though 'whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days'] of any god or dare I say - God!

 

He is not a part of any of that business.

 

He is 'well predicted' in texts and there are so many sorry people who have long wished to make him into a demon or evil incarnate [if he appears in their lifetimes] - how sad is that - really.

 

Doesn’t every [good] teacher say that we should try to understand things properly - otherwise we’re sort of on the outside of things – right?

 

BDM

 

[Guest guest]

Nice side step.

 

BUT the point was FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING is the wrong economic system and is destroying our societies.

 

You love to rave on about the christians blablabla, jews blablabla, who cares who they are, quit fractional reserve banking!

[Guest guest]

...fractional banking blah blah blah fractional understanding is more like it...

[Kulapavana]

It is very hard to disentangle yourself from this crooked system. Srila Prabhupada spoke many times about the cheaters in the world banking system - you should read about it. He used very strong words to describe these people.

 

what can we do? keep our economical factors as sepearate from this banking system as practical: real wealth is land, house, cows and other means of food production, as well as tangibles such as gold. beyond that there is precious little we can do...

[Guest guest]

ok smarty pants if its fractional understanding please explain oh great teacher.

[Guest guest]

...fractional banking blah blah blah fractional understanding is more like it...

 

i bet this guest is "bhakta don"

 

[Guest guest]

...i guest we'll never know...

[Guest guest]

...its obvious it is...

[Guest guest]

the bankers cheat the governments by influencing laws that give them the power to create money and loan it to the government's, then we the people suffer because we have to pay high taxes in order for the governments to pay the interest on the borrowed money, not to mention the instability it creates through inflation because of an influx of wealth into the economy and the increasing price of goods.

its a scam.

we suffer because the governments are rascals influenced by deep pockets from the international financiers to create loop holes and laws to benefit them.

But what about the poor people suffering as a result of the greed and corruption.

The stupid governments are being cheated and they prey on us to make the repayments while they recieve high pay salaries in there comfy office suites.

Rediculous.

 

huff.........kali yuga

[Guest guest]

famous qoute talking about the debt we owe to the reserve bank etc,

 

"its just a whole lot of I.O.U's"

 

ha.......easy to see what he's talking about right! go bush! although he's no better

[Guest guest]

I.O.U's to who?

[Guest guest]

Ramesvara: There was one question I had, Srila Prabhupada. You have written in the Third Volume of the First Canto [srimad Bhagavatam 1.17.39 and 1.17.40] different instructions for the age of Kali, how there'll be compulsory marriage and so on and so on. And you mentioned about the gold standard, that this is very bad, this artificial standard of monetary exchange.

 

Prabhupada: Oh, yes. It is very bad.

 

Ramesvara: In the future this is something that we should try to correct.

 

Prabhupada: You should introduce coin, real money.

 

Hari-sauri: Real gold coins. No paper.

 

Prabhupada: Anyone has got money... It is fact. And what is this nonsense, keeping some paper and thinking he has got money? How cheating it is going on, from government's side. And therefore artificial inflation. You can print, so the price is increased. Because you haven't got to pay him real money, you print and pay him, and he will ask, "Give me this money. Then I'll supply.All right, take." You print and pay.

 

Ramesvara: It's definitely a means that the government has for controlling. Because they can withdraw money, pull it back out of circulation by increasing the interest the banks give, or they can get more money in...

 

Prabhupada: Anything done artificially.

 

Ramesvara: They control the amount of interest on loans. It's all standardized from what they call the Federal Reserve system. This was introduced during the Depression by the bankers.

 

Prabhupada: Whatever they do, when you receive money in the paper it has no value. Bad money. It is bad money. It is not good money.

 

Ramesvara: Actually most purchasing in America is done on credit now. Even a step beyond paper money is credit, no money, buying on no money, loans.

 

Prabhupada: That is in India also.

 

Ramesvara: We don't find these things in Vedic culture too much.

 

Prabhupada: There was never paper money.

 

Hari-sauri: No. They used to...

 

Prabhupada: That barter system. You have got rice; I have got something else. So I give you something; you give me something.

 

Hari-sauri: But isn't inflation possible even with coins? Even if you have gold coins, isn't inflation still possible?

 

Prabhupada: No, gold is acceptable by everyone.

 

Ramesvara: The main point is the barter system.

 

Hari-sauri: Yes, well its value is recognized by its purchasing power.

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Hari-sauri: So you can alter... Say, you have one gold coin. You can alter what it...

 

Prabhupada: No. If you introduce real metal coin, then there will be no inflation.

 

Hari-sauri: There's only a certain amount of metal.

 

Prabhupada: That's all right. The exchange... The more demand, more price. So suppose here is a spectacle. I am demanding ten rupees. So both of you are customer, and you are asking for this spectacle. Then I am increasing my price. So if you can pay me by printing paper, you'll accept any price. That means artificially price is increased. Is it not?

 

Ramesvara: Yes.

 

Hari-sauri: So the idea is that with coins the man who has the goods, he can't...

 

Prabhupada: Therefore... Suppose he has got ten coins; you have got ten coins. I am wanting fifteen coins. So there will be no competition. I have to accept either from you or you, ten coins.

 

Hari-sauri: Right. Because there's only that much money.

 

Prabhupada: But if I increase price and if you print... If you have got power to print, "All right. Take fifteen coins, er, fifteen rupees." But you [can] print and pay me. But if the gold, the coin, is there, you cannot increase on that.

 

Hari-sauri: He can't increase the price of the product, and the man who got..., 'cause there's only a certain amount of money there.

 

Prabhupada: But I can increase the price provided you pay me. But by printing, it is easier. But if you have to collect coins, that will be difficult, so there will be no artificial increase of...

 

Hari-sauri: Yes. Coins is a check...

 

Prabhupada: Yes.

 

Hari-sauri: ...on charging too much.

 

Prabhupada: That is wanted. And these rascals, they are artificially printing paper as money. And I am a rascal; I'm demanding more because I have got customer.

 

Ramesvara: The difference between Vedic culture and..., the Krishna conscious culture and the modern culture is very, very dramatic, very big difference. So the transforming of society...

 

Prabhupada: And besides that, if we concentrate in farm project there will be no need of exchange, because I'll be satisfied with my products. That's all. There is no need of exchange. Whatever I need, I get in my farm.

 

Ramesvara: Weaving, cloth.

 

Prabhupada: Everything I get. So I haven't got to go outside for exchange. If you are satisfied in your farm—I am satisfied—then where is question of exchange? There is no need of artificial... So this banking, "fanking," everything will collapse automatically. There is no money, who is going to keep money in the bank?

 

Hari-sauri: Who needs it?

 

Prabhupada: [laughs] So this artificial way of banking, that will be also collapsed.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Forever our universal teacher and well wisher.

 

Can i ask whoever posted the last thread could qoute the exact lecture it was taken from it would be greatly appreciated thankyou.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

yes this is one step better than quiting fractional reserve banking, this is completely eradicating fake money.

 

Anyone can print paper notes, but nobody can artificialy create gold.

 

An example in current times is Nth Korea printing american dollars to try and destabilize the american dollar and increase there own wealth.

 

All rascals