Pankaja_Dasa Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 We have the Printing Press. How do they possibly make them in higher planets? For example Bhagavatam has more Volumes...It's a bona-fide and serious questions.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 What higher planets are you talking about? Perhaps they don't NEED books in higher planets as they may be able to tap into the akashic records for any information they need or want, due to their elevation in consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 Remember we are told that Vedic knowledge was an aural tradition until recently. That depends on very sound minds of all involved. Not for this age. Various forms of writing materials were used before the printing press. We have scrolls, bark, leaves, stone, painting on caves etc. as written languages developed in different regions and times. So guest above points out that on other planets they may have different modes of communicating knowledge rather than reading. They may not even need to speak on various planets as we do. Our vibrating our vocal cords in various agreed upon codes may indeed be quite primitive to them. "Ugga Bugga, me human". Afterall what is spoken is just an attempted representation of something in the mind that is far more subtle. It is always inadequate for transmitting the full extent of what is meant. So if they are living free from gross bodies and exist primarly as subtle forms they would speak mind to mind. And even if this took on a form that resembled our speech it would be free of our limitations. The essence is transmission of transcendental knowledge and not reading and writing books for the sake of reading and writing books. How did the illiterate Brahman receive Bhagavad-gita? The Lord is always in the heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Don Muntean Posted February 12, 2006 Report Share Posted February 12, 2006 ...but what about the power of the 'sound' of the holy name? That 'sound' is made with our "primitive vocal cords" - the holy name is a sound vibration - there ain't no such sound - without 'primitive vocal cords' - the very thing used to create the 'sound' of the holy name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Reverse that image. What happens in the material world is a perverted reflection of the spiritual world and not the other way around. Pure sound exists in the spiritual world and it is not dependent on gross vocal chords. Just like colors exist there without the need for gross eyes to perceive them. ...but what about the power of the 'sound' of the holy name? That 'sound' is made with our "primitive vocal cords" - the holy name is a sound vibration - there ain't no such sound - without 'primitive vocal cords' - the very thing used to create the 'sound' of the holy name... You speaking impersonalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Don Muntean Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 ...hey can you [oh nameless guest] read – the title post reads: How do they possibly make them [books] in higher planets? There is nothing in that posting about 'the spiritual world' - in this connection – why the error? The higher planets are not the spiritual world… So why do you then accuse me of "speaking impersonalism"? When you say this material world is a 'perverted reflection’ of the spiritual world – do you know what that means? The ‘spiritual body’ has our original ‘vocal cords’ and - there must be ‘sound in the spiritual world’ - the difference is that in the spiritual world - they are not covered by the contamination of the material energy…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahnava Nitai Das Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Written books are something originating in the Kali yuga, and utlized due to faulty mental abilities and weak intelligence. What to speak of on higher planets, even on the earth prior to Kali Yuga, all scriptural knowledge was directly heard from saints and rishis, and the listeners had the ability to automatically memorize and imbibe the teachings instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pankaja_Dasa Posted February 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 For example many devotees use books, for example I have seen Prabhupada using Books for His preaching. In pictures and I heard from devotees. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 In reply to: -- ...but what about the power of the 'sound' of the holy name? That 'sound' is made with our "primitive vocal cords" - the holy name is a sound vibration - there ain't no such sound - without 'primitive vocal cords' - the very thing used to create the 'sound' of the holy name... -- You speaking impersonalism. ____________ I have no desire to go in circles with you for 50 posts BDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 It's probably like Satyayuga where you hear from some sage and you instantly memorize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 mean you chant them out loud for effects, so why would chanting the holy name mean you had to chant out loud? Chanting inside your mind is better than speaking it out loud, I think. There is no need for the use of vocal cords for spirituality, or for any of the senses for that matter. A mute, a deaf man, a blind man, etc. can find his way to enlightenment just like any other man. They can chant the holy name even if they are unable to speak simply by chanting from the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 The holy name IS Krishna. That is the point. Then holy name is personal. The holy name is causeless and not a product of anything else like vocal cords or even thought. The holy name chooses to descend into the mind of the devotee and through the vocal chords of the devotee. We can no more force Krishna to appear on our tongue anymore than you can force God to appear as arca-vigraha simply be carving a certain shape in a stone. You cannot make foodstuff into prasadam just by putting it on a plate and performing proper rituals. That depends on if Krishna accepts it or not. It's all personal and ultimately based on love between the devotee and Krishna and not on religious formulation. On many different planets there may be many differnt methods of communication and Krishna is fully capable of revealing Himself through all of them. Hare Krishna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulapavana Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 How do they print books in Higher Planets? they dont. they have access to the akhasic record, where all that has been said and thought is stored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Don Muntean Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 ...just see that the title post was speaking of 'the higher planets' not 'the spiritual world' - there is no need for '50 posts' in this connection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Don Muntean Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 What about the prayer to the spiritual master - can you do that one in your 'mind'? (29) One should not offer obeisances silently to the spiritual master, or in other words, one should recite aloud the prayers to the spiritual master while offering obeisances. [Nectar of Devotion chapter 8] Just repeating the mahamantra within your mind isn't exactly going to be effective in changing your heart - is there a reason that you don't like to actually chant the Names? The mind is always flying to this and that, but one must always practice concentrating the mind on the form of the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna or on <big>the sound</big> of His name. The mind is naturally restless, going hither and thither, but it can rest <big>in the sound vibration</big> of Krsna. [bG Introduction] ...it is to be understood that Lord Krsna is present there in the form of <big>transcendental sound</big>, which is as powerful as the Lord personally...The Lord is so kind to us that He can be present before us personally in the form of <big>transcendental sound</big>, but unfortunately we have no taste for hearing and glorifying the Lord’s name and activities... [sB 1.2.17, purport] The Absolute Personality of Godhead is not different from His transcendental name, form, pastimes and <big>the sound vibrations</big> thereof. [sB 1.6.33, purport] So as you can see - the sound of the Holy Name is not material - even if intoned through our 'primative vocal cords'... BDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muralidhar_das Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Bhakta Don Prabhu, I think you would be very glad, if you read Sri Brhadbhagavatamrtam written by Sri Sanatana Goswami. It has been translated into English in a few editions but the best translation we have is the BBT edition translated by Gopiparanadhana. There are so many things in that book which will amaze you. Take a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhakta Don Muntean Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hari Bolo! Yes I shall try to get a copy of that book from BBT - thank you for the lead. What is the book about? YS, BDM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muralidhar_das Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 This book describes life and the religious activities practiced by beings in many of the worlds within this universe, and in the Vaikuntha realm as well. It describes in detail the planets where different categories of sages and gods live, and the gradation of "awakenment" that beings in different planes of existence have. There is an old translation by Kusakratha Prabhu which you can read here www.mandala.com.au/brhad/ but this is nowhere near as illuminating as the full translation made by Gopiparanadhana which includes the entire commentary written by Srila Sanatana Goswami himsef. In fact this book was inspired directly by the direct instruction given by Sri Chaitanyadeva to Srila Sanatan Goswami. If you study Gopiparanadhana's book carefully it will amaze you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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