Brahma ashtra (Weapon) and Naga ashtra (weapon)

[Sephiroth]

One thing I have noticed in Mahabratha is that this two weapons always appears in major battles between forces of Evil and Good. Matter a fact, it can be considered to be a turning point for us to know when the battle going to begin by seeing whether this weapons had appeared or not.

 

In Ramayana, Hanuman took Brahma asthra on His own chest in behalf of Sri Rama and both Sri Rama and Laksamana was struck down by Naga ashtra and had to be saved by Garuda.

 

In Mahabratha, I'm not sure about Brahma ashtra but I remember Karna using Naga ashtra again Arjuna.

 

So what is Brahma ashtra and Naga Ashtra? I have a theory though.

[Sephiroth]

Brahma is Lord of Creation so the weapon of Brahma (Brahma ashtra) is most likely related to Power of Creation.

 

What is the basic of ALL creations? Answer - Atoms. So, is it NOT too hard to consider that Brahma Ashtra - the most fearful weapon in Mahabratha Epics IS indeed Nuclear Weapon?

 

Ancient Hindus have a nag for naming elements based on their Dewas - Gaseous substance is considered Vayu Energy (based on Vayu Dewa), fire-based elements is named Agni Energy (based on Agni Dewa) and so on. So, maybe Hindus have somehow understood that Atoms are the very basic of ALL creation and associate it with Lord Brahma.

 

 

What about Naga Ashtra? What is that? My belief is that it is refers to Electricity.

 

Naga Ashtra always refers to "snake"-like force which slitthers down to its victim, strike the most vurneable spot, kills IF not paralyse its victim (like what it did to Sri Rama and Laksamana). All this shows a certain degree resembles to Electricity.

 

If you study victims of Electricity, you will know that many victims were not burn in the whole body like fire did but specific parts like the heart was struck and forced to stop. The electricity will move across the hands or feet, through the nerves system and strike the heart.

 

So, in my opinion, two of the most powerful weapons of Mass Destruction stated in Mahabratha IS on this world already - Nuclear Weapons and Electricity.

 

OK, open for comments now.

[Yogkriya]

Yes, your theory seems to be logical.

 

Only a couple of people present on the earth today have the knowledge of a few of these weapons. A yogi from Siddhashram demostrated a few years ago agniastra and vayuastra. By using asniastra, he set to fire an area in a forest. Such a fire is different from the ordinary fire and cannot be ordinarily extinguished by water. He then used vayu astra to remove extinguish it.

This is believable. But unfortunately I cann[t remember the name of the sadhu.

 

 

 

Brahma is Lord of Creation so the weapon of Brahma (Brahma ashtra) is most likely related to Power of Creation.

What is the basic of ALL creations? Answer - Atoms. So, is it NOT too hard to consider that Brahma Ashtra - the most fearful weapon in Mahabratha Epics IS indeed Nuclear Weapon?

Ancient Hindus have a nag for naming elements based on their Dewas - Gaseous substance is considered Vayu Energy (based on Vayu Dewa), fire-based elements is named Agni Energy (based on Agni Dewa) and so on. So, maybe Hindus have somehow understood that Atoms are the very basic of ALL creation and associate it with Lord Brahma.

What about Naga Ashtra? What is that? My belief is that it is refers to Electricity.

Naga Ashtra always refers to "snake"-like force which slitthers down to its victim, strike the most vurneable spot, kills IF not paralyse its victim (like what it did to Sri Rama and Laksamana). All this shows a certain degree resembles to Electricity.

If you study victims of Electricity, you will know that many victims were not burn in the whole body like fire did but specific parts like the heart was struck and forced to stop. The electricity will move across the hands or feet, through the nerves system and strike the heart.

So, in my opinion, two of the most powerful weapons of Mass Destruction stated in Mahabratha IS on this world already - Nuclear Weapons and Electricity.

OK, open for comments now.

[Eternal Law]

Interesting.....

[Sephiroth]

I have been studying concept of Magic from various cultures for nearly 10 years now, I think I have a pretty good idea how things works.

 

The four basic elements of on this World is Fire (Agni), Water, Wind (Vayu) and Earth, and in many ways, all four are equal in strength and can strenght and weaken each other.

 

But there are higher Energies which bound this forces - Magnetism, Weak Nuclear Bonds (whose which helds Elements together), Strong Nuclear bonds (like those who holds human molecules together) and such.

 

So, ancient Hindus could have experiemented with Magic, developed magical weapons by using Mantras and named it according to their respective Dewas.

[Yegan]

If Naga ashtra is from electricity, what about the thunderbold of indra?

[riih.qarojamahoamaan]

And then what is (QΙ,ΤΑQΑ/ QΙ,ΤΙQΑ=a kind of weapon)? In the qalqi-pyraa,nam it reads "qi,taqaair baayddha-dalanam iti matwaa syqhii vawa".

[Guest guest]

but im sure u can guess what im gonna say............

 

 

 

Although I have no idea what the real weapons were, and i dont say outright that it WASNT the weapons you propose, but im strongly leaning towards the latter.....

 

 

Connecting two and two is very shady....Just because brahma is creation and creation is done through atoms that doesnt mean brahma ashtra is an atom bomb and same logic for naga ashtra.

 

My best guess would be to look at it practically, saying at first that 'i dont know'. we should all say that and work towards answering that question rather than coming up with possible suppositions based on weak connections.

 

Perhaps the brahma ashtra represents the weapons of one group of people and the naga ashtra represents the weapons of another. Many dynasties and people throughout indian history have associated themselves with animals/weapons/natural phenomenon as the symbol of their group.

 

The battles from most of our religious stories are based on real battles between groups that people in indian history. The details are much sketchier and hard to truly know nowadays but the fact is this is where its from.

 

Perhaps the battle was even between two groups of people, one who worshiped Brahma/Brahman or Brahmanic religion (hence the brahma ashtra) and the other who worshipped nagas (hence the naga ashtra)

 

Modern history and antrhopology tells us that Naga worship in India is MUCH MUCH older than Brahmin/Vedic worship in India.

[Sephiroth]

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How many times did Indra used Thunderbolds? I don't remember him using it much so cannot say much also.

Matter a fact, didn't Ravana's son conquered Indra and got the name Indrajit and he got Naga astra which he used against Sri Rama later? There's a link between Naga astra and Thunderbold.

by Ratheesh

Although I have no idea what the real weapons were, and i dont say outright that it WASNT the weapons you propose, but im strongly leaning towards the latter.....

 

My best guess would be to look at it practically, saying at first that 'i dont know'. we should all say that and work towards answering that question rather than coming up with possible suppositions based on weak connections.

 

If you do not know, then do not waste my time with some nonsense about groups and people.

[Guest guest]

If you do not know, then do not waste my time with some nonsense about groups and people.

[Sephiroth]

by Ratheesh

I may not KNOW but i GUARENTEE that no one else, including you, knows!!! That is a fact. None of us were around back then so none of us can truly know. All we know is based on the facts given to us in our lifetimes.

JUST because you are a certificited FOOL, don't expect others to be the same.

I have studied Hindusm in form of the 9 Avatars (of Vishnu) for years and I have brought forth various episodes of Actual events which could linked to what happened in the stories regarding the Avatars - from creation of the Universe, Cambrian Explosion and creation of Mitochondria (driving force behind ALL (non-plant) lifeforms, Genetic knowledge (by Parasurama Avatar) and such.

WHAT did people like you brought forth for your Hindusm? NOTHING. WHY? Because you're NEVER a Hindu to begin with.

Please do not offer false hope.

You have NO beliefs therefore, you only see false Hope. Don't blame me if you do not have faith in God.

Most importantly, please do not change the present facts, thereby disrupting all future attempts to truly understand the original truth.

WHAT is fact? Who talks facts here? You? Nope ... people like ME who talks about facts. People like you only talk about false beliefs which you yourself have problem believing, which is why I said you have no belief in God.

When Christians come and whine that jesus come and commit suicide for Man, people like YOU are the first to hail him onto your shoulders and parade around like the fools that you are. WHY? because Jesus offers you Placebo Effect - foolish notions that your sins are forgiven and you can indulge in as much as sinful activities without worrying about Hell.

But when Hindus come and bring forth their truth to the World, people like YOU who claims to be Hindu becomes their first enemies by riddiculing them and even try to dislogic their arguments from within.

My personal opinion :- People like YOU are the first to be gathered and shot in the street IF Hindusm were to be revived again. WHY? because people like YOU are traitors in the midst and MORE dangerous than any foreign Muslim or Christian.

While your tales of Indian greatness in the past is nice to hear, it is not a reality, it is only a fake delusion taht you live in.

You want to know what is facts are?

Facts are :

Creation and Expansion of the Universe as accepted by Modern Science already described in Hindusm - FACT.

Cambrian Explosion, Creation of Mitochondria and Quantum Consciousness (all which can be found on the Net) is accepted by Science already described in Hindusm (Kurma Purana) - FACT.

The Evolutional Stages of Life and Man as stated by Darwin and accepted by Science - described in Hindusm by the 9 Avatars - FACT.

Mendel's Experiments with Genetics as stated by Parasurama Avatar - FACT.

FACTS ... FACTS ... FACTS ... I deal with FACTS, NOT bullsh!t like mindset that those (Puranas and such) are fairy tales which one should ignore. UNDERSTOOD?

Please accept facts and do not try to "MAKe" hinduism greater than it is. Leave it to God to make it great.

Wrong ... Those who do not have faith in Hindusm WILL say nonsense like this. Hindus WILL not. You are NOT a Hindu, you are a pretender.

Over-glorification of the religion for psychological/ego gains in the present will eventaully bring about the downfall of the religion in the future. Perpetrating falsities for present wellbeing will surely come back around and karma will bite you in the ass in the future.

If I do something for Him, He will bear me - teaching of the Gita, is it not? WHY should I fear to glory Him then?

So please, live in reality - - - - - - not in a fantasy world where the history of india lives outside of the reality of the history of everywhere else.

You're the one who living in fantasy world of self-delusion and Self-indulgement. You fear that if what stated in Hindusm is true, then Karma is true also. Which means all those nonsense that Sins are forgiven is false. Your sins WILL come to haunt you and that is the nightmare for people like you. So you attend to make things false by turning it into blind truth (false truth - you think it is true but ONLY to your acceptance level).

[Guest guest]

great post! People like Ratheesh are the biggest threat to Hinduism. I bet he's some south indian christianized hindu, which is just sad. People like him are the real wolves in sheep's clothing. Hinduism and science compliment each other quite nicely, as shown by Sephiroth. Hinduism is the perfext religion of the future, being peaceful and scientifc. I take a literal interpretation of all a vedic scripture, because I have faith in God. No Anti-Hindu can change that People like Ratheesh and Shvu are a disgrace to Hinduism as a whole. They might aswell convert to an asuric religion and leave Hinduism in peace! THEY ARE USELESS!

[Sephiroth]

by Guest

People like Ratheesh are the biggest threat to Hinduism. I bet he's some south indian christianized hindu, which is just sad. People like him are the real wolves in sheep's clothing.

if these sort of people think they are being so logical, rational and great in living in their so-called "reality", I suggest they go and "preach" to Muslims about their illogical religion. I want to see if Ratheesh's head still intact on his shoulders or not.

[Guest guest]

 

by Guest

People like Ratheesh are the biggest threat to Hinduism. I bet he's some south indian christianized hindu, which is just sad. People like him are the real wolves in sheep's clothing.

if these sort of people think they are being so logical, rational and great in living in their so-called "reality", I suggest they go and "preach" to Muslims about their illogical religion. I want to see if Ratheesh's head still intact on his shoulders or not.

Hari OM

 

Don't just blame people, try to think the root cause.

 

Even people like Gandhi and Nehru, who were really Good, and wished with all their heart for the Goodness of Man kind has failed.

 

WHY? because they believed more in the "western" scholars than our own Puranas and Shastras.

 

The "western" scholars were hired by British, who in turn were also good (who built hospitals, roads, schools, etc.,) but believed somehow Christianity is superior and it is their moral duty to convert every body else to christianity and in that process, they that corrupting history and destroying some facts, is only a minor crime.

 

All through the europe, most of the people firmly believed "DEMOCRACY" and "SECULARISM" are the greatest things which would eventually bring about happiness and glory of the world.

 

But Alas, they didn't had idea about eternal laws of nature, and today we had ended up with one tool "DEMOCRACY" used to destory the other "SECULARISM", so now only one of them can be saved (or probably both will be lost)

 

No need to hate or get anger on all the misguided people, they were/are being carried under the force of Kali and when they realise it, time might have run out, only thing we can do is feel sorry for them.

[Sephiroth]

By Guest,

No need to hate or get anger on all the misguided people, they were/are being carried under the force of Kali and when they realise it, time might have run out, only thing we can do is feel sorry for them.

You can pity them if you choose, me? I attend to kick them out of my sight and back into the hole they came out from.

This sort of people are "leftovers" from British Age - still consider West to be greater and more advance and follow them around like some stupid pubs. They are useless as far as I could see.

I rather concentrate in educating and making the people (especially youngsters) proud of who they are so they could have an identity and know that they belong to a group of special people who were peaceful at most time, BUT can fight back when forced to.

Japan is great today because about 400 years ago (in late 1700s), the Japanese Emperors there too stern steps to ensure that Christianity was kicked out. Japanese after the war face crisis with Christianity again and once again, it stepped out to ensure no Christian missionaries comes to Japan and corrupt Japan anymore, something India failed to do.

Sorry, India have a LOT of things to do if it want Santana Dharma back. Otherwise, Hindus do not NEED India anymore. They have settled down in Malaysia (and from there, to the rest of the World). Santana Dharma and Gita WILL exists, YOU will not.

So, if you want to survive - open up your minds, learn new things and and reeducate yourself. Find new friends in Asians and stop following Westerners in everything they do. You (Hindus now) FAIL to do this ... PLEASE don't blame others if you perish. Hindusm IS needed, Hindus don't.

[Yegan]

 

Creation and Expansion of the Universe as accepted by Modern Science already described in Hindusm - FACT.

 

Modern Science believes in an ever expanding universe(which is believed to be even accelerating). According to modern science there is not enough matter (Dark matter hasnt been taken in the analysis to my knowledge) to reverse this process and hence sooner(billions and billions of years from now) the universe would be dead.

 

In sanatan dharma we believe that on one exhalation lord vishnu the whole universe is being created and on his inhalation all the universes enter him. This somehow contradicts the "Ever expanding universe as suggested by modern science".

With this phylosophical approach in mind, the universe at some point would stop accelerating and then instead starts to collapse (Lord Vishnu starts to inhale). And the cycle would repeat itself. So in sanatan dharma the concept of an ever expanding universe is not accepted. Instead we belive in repeated cycles(expanding and collapsing). All this happens in one breath of Maha Vishnu.

[Guest guest]

 

Modern Science believes in an ever expanding universe(which is believed to be even accelerating). According to modern science there is not enough matter (Dark matter hasnt been taken in the analysis to my knowledge) to reverse this process and hence sooner(billions and billions of years from now) the universe would be dead.

 

In sanatan dharma we believe that on one exhalation lord vishnu the whole universe is being created and on his inhalation all the universes enter him. This somehow contradicts the "Ever expanding universe as suggested by modern science".

With this phylosophical approach in mind, the universe at some point would stop accelerating and then instead starts to collapse (Lord Vishnu starts to inhale). And the cycle would repeat itself. So in sanatan dharma the concept of an ever expanding universe is not accepted. Instead we belive in repeated cycles(expanding and collapsing). All this happens in one breath of Maha Vishnu.

 

Actually, it's only one of many theories out there. Modern science doesn't "believe" one way or the other, there are just a LOT of theories out there, some paralleling Hindu cosomological ideas, others contradicting it, and no solid proof of either.

[Guest guest]

With this phylosophical approach in mind, the universe at some point would stop accelerating and then instead starts to collapse (Lord Vishnu starts to inhale). And the cycle would repeat itself. So in sanatan dharma the concept of an ever expanding universe is not accepted. Instead we belive in repeated cycles(expanding and collapsing). All this happens in one breath of Maha Vishnu.

 

 

...............dear friend..........

u siad that science gives theory of ever expanding universe.......... but reality is that it is just another theory of science which is by the way most popular.. if u look at the most popular theories (u may find it on net) ....... u would find a theory which speculates about repetitive nature of the universe......(which acc. to that theory is expanding now).....

 

And by the way, i dont believe that inhalation and exhalation means expanding and contracting.. it may just means that universe is contained in lord vishnu........ and universe has been symbolised in his breadth because of the fact that if vishnu is there as lord . then he will have to have universe also otherwise he himself may not exist [as breadth is the most important part of living , thn comes the water only (hey......arguing with me with FOOD as argument? well, ........ everybody can live without food .only requirement being tht u will have to observe the sun while rising and while sunsetting (realy, a man in gujrat has been on fast for last 68 yrs)] ....... so i think i m right when i think about the inhalation and exhalation of LORD vishnu.....

[Yegan]

 

Actually, it's only one of many theories out there. Modern science doesn't "believe" one way or the other, there are just a LOT of theories out there, some paralleling Hindu cosomological ideas, others contradicting it, and no solid proof of either.

Yes you are right dear guest, but the ever expanding universe has the majority of adepts among the scientists. There is also the repeating universe which indeed parallel the cosmological hindu philosophy, but then it is not widely accepted in the scientist community as the ever expanding universe.

[Yegan]

 

With this phylosophical approach in mind, the universe at some point would stop accelerating and then instead starts to collapse (Lord Vishnu starts to inhale). And the cycle would repeat itself. So in sanatan dharma the concept of an ever expanding universe is not accepted. Instead we belive in repeated cycles(expanding and collapsing). All this happens in one breath of Maha Vishnu.

 

 

...............dear friend..........

u siad that science gives theory of ever expanding universe.......... but reality is that it is just another theory of science which is by the way most popular.. if u look at the most popular theories (u may find it on net) ....... u would find a theory which speculates about repetitive nature of the universe......(which acc. to that theory is expanding now).....

 

And by the way, i dont believe that inhalation and exhalation means expanding and contracting.. it may just means that universe is contained in lord vishnu........ and universe has been symbolised in his breadth because of the fact that if vishnu is there as lord . then he will have to have universe also otherwise he himself may not exist [as breadth is the most important part of living , thn comes the water only (hey......arguing with me with FOOD as argument? well, ........ everybody can live without food .only requirement being tht u will have to observe the sun while rising and while sunsetting (realy, a man in gujrat has been on fast for last 68 yrs)] ....... so i think i m right when i think about the inhalation and exhalation of LORD vishnu.....

Dear guest, indeed you are right, heaps of theories. I have just mentioned the one(ever expanding universe) which is mostly accepted in the scientifical community. Any of these theories can be proved wrong at any time. So we need to rely on other source of information to get the absolute truth.

Personally I have faith in the repetitive nature of the universe.

 

Concerning your point of view on the inhalation and exhalation, matter of fact we dont share the same point of view.

I presume that the explanation of a spiritual guru might he helpful here for us to have some understanding of Lord Vishnu's inhalation and exhalation in connection to the universe.

 

 

otherwise he himself may not exist

If he himself cannot exit due to something (i.e that "something" might be breath or wotever it may be), then he is not fit to be called GOD.

 

GOD exits by himself and doesnt need anything or anyone to be sustained.I think there are nice verses in the Gita on this account. Again a guru would be helpful here as well for clarification

 

[Yegan]

 

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Cambrian Explosion, Creation of Mitochondria and Quantum Consciousness (all which can be found on the Net) is accepted by Science already described in Hindusm (Kurma Purana) - FACT.

The Evolutional Stages of Life and Man as stated by Darwin and accepted by Science - described in Hindusm by the 9 Avatars - FACT.

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Please give a reference to the parts of the puranaas where these theories are explained. I know you wont, but please....at least one....

 

 

 

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Mendel's Experiments with Genetics as stated by Parasurama Avatar - FACT.

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What scientific facts did Parasurama teach? please explain.

 

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That wuld be kool if sephiroth can show, where in the scritures we can find these connections with Modern Science. We would definitely learn more.

 

Jai Govinda

 

[Guest guest]

It would be nice to see but i dont think there is gonna be any references. If there are, they will probably be vague references that could mean anything and Seph makes it out to be his theories.

[Guest guest]

is an anti-hindu, don't bother listening to him!

[Guest guest]

 

is an anti-hindu, don't bother listening to him!

 

I am most definatley not an anti-hindu...... I am most definaetly devoted to the lord in all his ways and manners, most especially to Bhagavathi, Ayyapan, Siva and Vishnu......

 

The differences arise because I have no reason to hold onto many customs that are done. The customs are social norms and since i do not live within India, i have not been raised up following these customs all my life.

 

As i became more spirtually and religiously inclined in the past couple of years, I have questioned whether I should now start doing these customs - customs which are completely foreign to me. Then i understood, i dont NEED the exact customs done. They are done in India becuase of traditions passed on from generation to generation. When those traditions were stopped because of my locale, I wasnt naturally part of that tradition and customs.

 

I dont NEED the customs. All i need is a level head, good logic, complete faith and devotion to the one and only supreme spirit that permeates all in the universe and an adherence to the logical, rational laws of dharma - pure humanistic righteousness.

 

Therefore, my actions and remarks leads people to believe I abhor or go against the customs done in India because I dont also do them. It doesnt mean i dont like them or think they are important. For me, in my situation, I dont know the customs, i dont know the4 meaning of the customs and following certain customs will only be in vain.

 

I know there are many people out there who follow customs because they are just that - customs and tradition. they do it beause they have always done it their whole life and their parents before them and their parents before them. The culture has done it and since i am a part of the culture, i too must do it. This is the mindset of many people during many of our customs, pujas, traditions and festivals.

 

However, there is no spiritual benefit from doing mindless customs simply because it was always done. Spiritual positivity comes from doing pujas and other customs with a sound mind, udnerstanding the meaning of the ritual and how that should affect and improve the individual in their specific case. Doing a puja because "a puja is good" is also a placebo - it makes the doer content with the fact that they did the puja so God will help.

 

God will help if your intentions are correct and pure - regardless of whether you do the puja or not.

 

If one has the correct knowledge and is in a purely genuine mindstate, then by all means - one should do the puja and any other customs.

 

I am not knocking it. I am simply saying, i wasnt raised that way so i do not follow the traditional 'orthodox' form of hinduism.

 

But am i wrong for that? and i anti-hindu?

 

All I want is for the world and people in it to get better, for me and all others to be more spiritually conscious and pray for experience of the goodness and grace of God.

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Have I wronged??

[Guest guest]

 

By Guest,

You can pity them if you choose, me? I attend to kick them out of my sight and back into the hole they came out from.

Hindusm IS needed, Hindus don't.

Hari OM

 

Santanana dharma talks about Dharma, Satya and Karuna (compassion) also.

 

If you take out one component, then it would not be true santanana dharma.

 

 

Assume that one company which is selling a product, is very aggressive, has lots of money and dedicated work force, scuttles the effort of every other company to market their product, using fair and unfair means, and claim that their product is the best in the world, in that case many many people would be buying only that, it is not the fault of the people.

 

The same thing is happening, with lot of money and propaganda , many people are willing (or more than willing) to critically analyaze the Hindu religious concepts, and think they are some great intellectuals guys.

 

However they don't apply the same yard stick to western theories or other relgious , they tend to accept as it is.

 

For example when questioned about the proof for Aryan invasion theory, or how so much Gold and other jewellery were found in India (which was looted later) they just run away from the thread, even though pretending like a very rational and logical persons.

 

i don't think it is their fault, or their parents fault or anybody's fault, the modern times, or Kali (which is derived from Kalauv, that which causes agitation) tends to agitate and confuse people. We can try to save as much as possible, and even if we have to fight with some body, it is only for the purpose of Jana Kalyan, for the welfare of the people, not with hatred towards someone.

 

If tried in other ways, what we may have is some Abrahmic version of Santana Dharma left over and not the real dharma, and this can't help anybody.