Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree doing Chandi and Rudri. , Srinath Ram Atreya <srinath_atreya> wrote: > > > Srinath Ram Atreya <srinath_atreya> wrote:Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:04:10 +0100 (BST) > Srinath Ram Atreya > Shree dhurgA sapthaShathi paaraayaNa kramam (Part 1) > goddessdurga > CC: , , > mantra_tantra, srilalitha > > > || Jai Sadguru Dutta || > > > > jayanthee mangalA kAlee Bhadhrakalee kapAlinee | > > dhurgA kShamA shivA DhAthree swAhA swaDhA namOsthuthE || > > > > Navaraathri is the most auspicious time for dEvee upaasanam. Japam of "dhurgaa or chandee navAkShari mantra" (the 9 lettered mantra of durgA) and paaraayaN of "sapthaShathi" (a text containing 700 verses) is widely practiced. In mantra shAstra, "dhurgaa sapthaShathi" is highly revered. It is said that every "shloka" (verse) in itself is a "kalpa-vrksha", capable of fulfilling one's wishes. Following are some of the rules that has to be adhered to in order to get benefited from the chanting of "sapthaShathi" : > > > > One should have been initiated into "navaakShri mantra" by a Guru. Without initiation, results might be disastarous. Also, one should have completed chanting this mantra atleast 1 lakh times (ideally 9 lakh times) before starting the PaaraayaNam of sapthaShathi. > All women – young or old should be treated as one's own mother. Those who fail in this aspect are said to earn Mother's wrath and would fall in the "raurava naraka" (the cruelest of all hells) after death. > "praayaSchittha thaamboolam" and "Guru thaamboolam" should be given to braahmans and one's own Guru (or Guru peeTas) before starting the paaraayaNam. Consumption of "Pancha gavya" is highly beneficial for any sadhana. It frees us from our sins. > The paaraayaNam should be started with appropriate "sankalpa" and "nyaasa"s. > Every single second is auspicious during these 9 days. Hence the mantra should be chanted as many times as possible. The 3 "sandhyaa" (twilight) periods are best for paaraayaNam. However, it is also highly auspicious to do the 4th paaraayaNam during late night (so as to conclude just before 12'O clock). > The sadhak should practice strict Celibecy in mind and body and should not sleep during day time. Only light, "sAthwik" food should be partaken. Consuming only cow's milk helps attaining "manthra siddhi" > After the preliminary rituals and Guru-Ganapathi prayers, A lamp ignited with ghee (clarified butter) should be installed and worshipped with "jvaalaa-maalinee manthra" . It is good to have 5 wicks in the lamp. Once installed, it should not be disturbed for any reason whatsoever until the paaraayaNam is over. > A book containing the 700 verses should be necessarily used for chanting, even if one has memorized all of them. Without the book, the ritual won't bear fruits. > The book should be wrapped in a piece of silk cloth and should be treated sacredly. It should never be placed on the floor or touched by others. > One should never chant while holding the book in his hands. The `X' shaped stand called "Vyaasa peeTam" should be used. > First, the book should be worshipped by invoking the Mother into it in the form of "sapthaShathi saraswathi" by the mantra: > > > > "Om namah pishaacha nikarankini thrishoola Khadga hasthE sinhaarooDhE EhyEhi, AgaChcha AgaChcha, imAm poojAm grNha grNha swAha | " > > and the 5 "upachaara"s should be offered mentally and the Divine Mother should be offered salutions by displaying the "yOni mudrA" in the forehead. It is worthwhile to note here that the entire ritual is emotional in nature – "BhAva praDhAna" > > The "sapthaShathi" should never be chanted mentally. One should chant it loudly and clearly. But the "navAkShari" should be chanted only mentally. > Scratching, eating, drinking, thinking about others, yawning, changing the place, shaking the body, laughing, crying etc should not be done amidst the paaraayaNam. If due to some reason the chanting is stopped in the middle, then shAnthi mantras and aparaadha kShamaapana should be chanted and the paaraayaNam should be started afresh. > Chanting uthkeelana mantra 21 times, chandika shApOdDhAra mantra 7 times and the navAkShari 108 times at the beginning and at the end of each chapter is highly beneficial. The following "sankalpa" should be uttered at the beginning of each chapter: > > "mama iSta sidDhi prathibanDhaka dhOSha nivrthyarTham pATAdau thaThA pATAnthE Ekavinshathi vAram uthkeelana mantram, sapthavAram chadikA shapOdDhAra mantram taThA ashTOththara vAram navArNa manthra japam aham kariShyE || " > > 15. At the end of every chapter, "kSheera tharpaNam" (milk oblations) should be given with the moola manthra, over a lemon held in the right hand with "ardha yOni mudrA". THE WORD "ITHI" SHOULD NOT BE UTTERED WHILE CONCLUDING A CHAPTER. INSTEAD "SWASTHI" SHOULD BE USED. For example: " swasthi shree mArkanDEya purANE soorya sAvarNikE manvantharE, dhEvee mAhAthmyE, maDhu-kaiTabha vaDhO nAma praThamODhyAyah | shree jagadhambaarpaNamasthu || ". > > > > R.Srinath > > srinath_atreya > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger > > > R.Srinath > > srinath_atreya > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 Namaste, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same experience chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships broke apart... Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day. It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up process. With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it. Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated! AUM , "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote: > I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree > doing C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2003 Report Share Posted September 26, 2003 ers of our lower bodies to allow the goddess to come in through the most appropriate channel. That's why everyone who reads the Chandi has a different experience. The most remarkable thing about the Chandi for me is how it is a manual of reality. Reality does the same thing to us as the Chandi does. Maya herself is a form of Chandi Maa and she provides us with a totally different path for blasting through our outer walls. People, places, and things in nature contrive to teach us about ourselves by sliding in through the cracks in our walls. Most people (especially those who aren't spiritual) think, "oh my gosh, I have a hole in my protective wall!" and they get some brick and morter and patch up the holes that the light is shining through. But mother Maya will find another opening and she will show us the truth about our walls and what it is we're really blocking out. And once we accept that she is teaching us, not only will we let her break down the wall, but we'll begin clawing at it from the inside and meet her half way.Sincerely,Brian--- On Fri 09/26, Rolando Santos < sivadancer > wrote:Rolando Santos [ sivadancer ]To: Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:03:21 -0000 Re: Fwd: Shree dhurgA sapthaShathi paaraayaNa kramam (Part 1)Namaste,I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same experience chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships broke apart...Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day.It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up process. With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated!AUM--- In , "rudran2" wrote:> I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree > doing C------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or LexmarkPrinter at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511http://us.click./mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/XUWolB/TM---~->To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 ChrisRolando Santos <sivadancer > wrote: Namaste,I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same experience chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships broke apart...Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day.It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up process. With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated!AUM, "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote:> I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree > doing CTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 I started with Ma and Ma only. We always initiate ourselves, but I do have to admit, with Ma so gloriously haunting me, calling me, I could not have survived what I did. When I began my worship, it was not puja. It was all night tears and her name, not understanding why I was so taken, but tears and prayers and more tears. I got so sick, almost lost my job, moved out of my paternal house so that I could cry and pray in my own privacy. My parents thought I had lost it. How could Ma not hear me? I did not care what it looked like. I was not superstitious about how to do it right. I only prayed for her. I only wanted the highest and who was I to put a title on that? My prayers had no words at times..... Did I need a Guru at this time? Maa was my Guru the whole time. Eventually I was shown some amazing breathing techniciques, meditation and chants and from there was introduced to my Guru who is not in a body then or now. Still, my sadhana was at times all night long, sleeping only 3-4 hours a night, which is very easy when your doing alot of sadhana since the body wont let you sleep. And this was without the aid of a physical Guru. Ma taught me all on her own, although it was turbulent at times.. Recently I receieved a mantra from a physical Guru and that was neccessary at the time, however, I was not used to Guru coming from one person. That too has been a lesson. Maa keeps teaching me with or without a Physical Guru. If your sincere, She is your Guru and she will Hand Feed you, you can bet on it. She knows where we are at and she provides fast if we are sincere. She is the MahaGuru and she is the one driving this whole thing...when my life gets turbulent after a prayerful time...then I know she is rocking my world to teach me something and it's a total High, albeit the older I get I sometimes say, "Again?? Did I pray for that? Maa! Easy!" teehee... But don't get me wrong on the need for Guru to come thru Swami's and teachers and people and animals and EVERYTHING. That is how Guru has always worked...for me:) Guru comes thru all these emails from all of you. I was actually told by a devotee that without getting a mantra from a Guru that my puja's would 'Have No Power'... I noticed that after diksa I started getting 'mental' about my worship and how it looked and how it was perfect and how to this and how to that, that my devotion was completely dry and ..... 'powerless'.... Had to let that idea go.... My only advice... be sincere with God and circumspect about superstition...it's a fetter to someone who is emotionally natured. Ma has all sorts of Children:) Glad to be among these wonderful devotee's who have lovely devotion and experience to relate to. Thank you Maaa!!!! I am blessed!!! Namaste everyone. Happy Navaratri:) Rolando Santos <sivadancer > wrote: Namaste,I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same experience chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my health deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships broke apart...Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day.It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up process. With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it.Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated!AUM, "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote:> I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree > doing CTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Hi Rudran! I'm curious: have you received guru initiation yet? Are you really scavenging & picking cans? Have you tried manipulating the Maya to better your lot? Have you had your Vedic chart done? Astraea , "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote: > I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady tree > doing Chandi and Rudri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Hi Rolando! I've heard this too that sadhana accelerates karma. And that once you start on your "true" spiritual path, things can change profoundly in your life -- livelihood, relationships, life style, etc. That the Shakti forcibly moves you into your "true" place. And sometimes that means your life looks like it's falling apart at the seams. It seems to me that chanting mantras can act as a shield to deflect the worst of your karma. Things seem to go better if you're chanting. Astraea , "Rolando Santos" <sivadancer> wrote: > Namaste, > > I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I had the same experience > chanting from Kali Puja and Shiva Puja without initiation...my health > deteriorated, my plans for schooling fell apart, my relationships > broke apart... > > Greatly troubled, I remember e-mailing someone at Devi Mandir about my > doubts about the efficacy of chanting without initiation. The reply > was somwthing to the effect that you don't need it, that we are divine > so initiation isn't necessary. I accepted this and I don't regret any > chanting or puja I have done in the past...somehow it has all lead me > in the right direction, no matter how much pain I had to go through. > Don't get me wrong, I'm far from being free of pain, desires, ego, > etc., but truly it all seems to get better every day. > > It is my understanding that chanting and puja, whether initiated or > not, basically accelerates your karmas and brings them to the surface > to be experienced at a faster rate than normal. So instead of > suffering through ten more lifetimes, you may only have to suffer > really badly through one or two more as a result of the speeding up > process. > > With a guru, the sadhaka can be guided and monitored through the tough > times, the pains perhaps even softened by the guru taking on some > karma. Without, the sadhaka will have to suffer "unguided" -- though > truly, no one is ever alone and unguided. The guru is with everyone > all the time. Its just that the fortunate ones have an actual human > shoulder to cry and lean on when they need it. > > Any insights into this matter of initiation are greatly appreciated! > > AUM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Brian, It's true that until you have mastery you can't control everything, but you can control some things. Mastering the techniques for control is not easy, but I believe it can be done. I agree that there is no separation between what is happening in one's outer life and what's happening in one's inner life. The Maya is a mirror. The chief difficulty is gaining control of one's own mind -- the "drunken monkey". It's interesting to me that you think experiencing one's karma fully is necessary. Homas, yagnas, rituals of various sorts, mantras, gemstones, yantras can all be used to mitigate one's karma. Astraea , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: ".... So the trick to dealing with hardship is to realize that we can't stop it from happening, but we can control how we react to it..... People, places, and things in nature contrive to teach us about ourselves by sliding in through the cracks in our walls. Most people (especially those who aren't spiritual) think, "oh my gosh, I have a hole in my protective wall!" and they get some brick and morter and patch up the holes that the light is shining through." Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Hi Astraea Comments are inserted. At 08:55 AM 10/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Brian, >It's true that until you have mastery you can't control everything, >but you can control some things. Mastering the techniques for control >is not easy, but I believe it can be done. > >I agree that there is no separation between what is happening in >one's outer life and what's happening in one's inner life. The Maya >is a mirror. The chief difficulty is gaining control of one's own >mind -- the "drunken monkey". I actually don't think its really a drunken or babbling monkey, it just appears that way. I think the thoughts are really the minds process of healing itself and when it experiences all the "wound" or "affliction" based thoughts to their full completion it will be healed and not need to experience more thoughts. I think the reason we have problems with our minds is that we react to that healing process much in the same way we react to emotional healing, or even sometimes to physical healing. I have learned that my drunken monkey will continue babbling and may continue babbling for the rest of my life, but it doesn't matter because I am not my drunken monkey. I am something much bigger than that and by keeping my focus on myself and not on the lower four bodies, they are free to do as they please and from my perspective that is to heal. >It's interesting to me that you think experiencing one's karma fully >is necessary. Homas, yagnas, rituals of various sorts, mantras, >gemstones, yantras can all be used to mitigate one's karma. I'm being very frank here and not intending be harsh. I can feel your sincerity and this is not meant to upset you, I'm just presenting my strong opinions on the subject. There is no mitigation. Period. The karma must be fulfilled. Even when a master takes your karma for you there is karma to the master. The rituals don't actually eliminate the karma, they just deliver it to us internally so it can do its work directly on us, instead of having it appear in our lives as prarabda it appears within us directly modifying us and making us more whole and conscious. Doing the work outside is the same as doing the work inside. I feel people wish to mitigate their karma because modern man has fallen under the spell that negative things are bad and positive things are good. Or sometimes that negative things are good and that positive things are bad. In reality there is no judgement on who we are by god and we should have no judgement on what happens to us. We are destined to have many things happen to us, we signed up for it when we accepted this life as our own, and to think that karma is bad or good is a judgement on god for the rules of the universe. Karma exists, just like god exists. And the sooner we accept that karma happens, the sooner we can begin allowing it to heal us and make us whole. It is part of the grand spiritual scheme created by god. And to wish to sidestep it makes no sense to me. Karma is not bad it is not good, it just is. This is of courses just my perspective. And you are the person who sparked the discussion. Thanks. *hugs* Brian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release 9/29/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 No I have not recieved guru diksha. Yes I do collect aluminum, platic bottles and even some glass bottles in parks. Maya tends to manipulate me. If anything, puja is likely to better my lot, but I do like to seva. Some years back I had a Vedic chart done. It indicates long life. The Nasdaq chart of these opening years of the 21st century has been brutal. They are enough to drive me to almost daily Chandi and on some days multiple Chandies. I really feel good at the completion of Chandi pujas. , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> wrote: > Hi Rudran! > I'm curious: have you received guru initiation yet? > > Are you really scavenging & picking cans? > > Have you tried manipulating the Maya to better your lot? > > Have you had your Vedic chart done? > > Astraea > > > , "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote: > > I started doing the Chandi four years ago without any guru > > initiation, and yes some diasaster has found its way to me, yet I > > continue. My tech stocks are close to worthless. While not doing > > pujas from the Devi Mandir books, I now scaveng and pick cans. Puja > > is the best thing that has even come my way. It is something that I > > take confort in. I hope to puja my way right into the grave. If > > disaster is still looking for me, it can find me under the shady > tree > > doing Chandi and Rudri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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