Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Shouldn't this be stated by representatives of the Mandir?Do you represent the Mandir?I think an open forum where people can work through their own religious / spritual issues is a good thing. I realize that many people don't like negativity but I've found that those people simply don't know how to let negativity fall away, like water off a duck's back. ************** This is one of the hardest places in sadhana. We all have our sensitive issue's and so it takes great strength to face what appears to be negative. I agree that not all people know how to do this, but with the desire to learn how to let it go will come assistance ************ I think Swami Satyananda would tell us if he felt we were too far off topic. ********* A good idea is skimming thru material and if you can see certain words that will not interest you, delete it and move on, just like when we are at work - time management and being efficient. Just my advice on reading emails of any kind.*******The subject of religious idealogies and abuse of religious ideals is very current and very real and I think talking about it, getting the feelings out in the open is a very good way to begin to heal. Many of us were raised in strict religious circumstances. Stated or not we were pressured to fit into a certain mold. Generally those molds are not condusive to spiritual growth. Allowing those molds to be broken is a painful and often emotional process. I think we should allow that evolution in this forum and witness the awakening and growth of consciousness in each other. That is to say we should be accepting of everyone's stage of development and we should love each other anyway. ********* This is a good topic amongst sadhaka's.. Acceptance. Mainly of the things that bug the hell out of us are gems to Knowing Ourselves. Ma gives us lots to work on and so with the rocks of irritation, with cutting the rocks eventually creates precious jewels and then you have something to give someone - Understanding. If we drop the rocks at Ma's feet and say, "No! No! This is a rock! I don't want a rock! It's scratchy and doesn't shine! Ma, a Rock?" With acceptance and the right tools and the understanding of how to use the tools in action, we can make beautiful gems out of the rock's Ma gives us. We can't do an emotional or bypass when things irritate us and expect to learn anything. ***********I'm of the opinion that all religions in the world have good people and bad people, that is to say people who want to help others / further our spiritual growth and people who wish to manipulate and control for power, money or other basic gains.I think Mohammad lived in violent times. I think its probably unfair to judge his actions with our morals because our morals probably couldn't have existed in his day.I've not studied the Koran but I do know good people who are Moslem. I think it just goes to show that goodness can be found where ever we look for it, assuming we are looking for it.I found it in Christianity, despite what the Catholics did in the middle ages and continue to do up till this day to manipulate the conscience of the individual will. I'm sure there are those who find it in Islam.Mother teaches us to love everyone. And that's not just advice, that's a principle. I believe that love is the only path to peace and that hating anyone is merely empowering the violence. Gandhi had that right, he lived the example and it worked. *********** I think also is to understand the patriarchal tendancies (some more latent than others) we all have learned from authoritarian teachers - to control and be dominant 'over' anything. I believe that is one reason most of us here love our matriarchal Mother who will always listen to us and empower us. It's one thing to love Her, but to emulate Her is another and takes great awareness, understanding and gentleness. ********* Sincerely,Brian"In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program.--- On Wed 10/08, Jesse Arana < jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net > wrote: Jesse Arana [ jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net]To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:06 -0400 Please take your conversation off-line Namaste, Please do not fill this group with off-topic posts. The negative aspects of any religion, culture, potitical party, or person do not need to be discussed in Shree Maa's group. This group is about the glory of the divine.No matter what our personal feelings are about negative appearances, all human history has been carried out under the energy of the divine. Far better to meditate on that, persue our own purification, and attain non-dual view and compassion.Jesse Arana (Kailash)www.meditationinfocus.comTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Some very good insights! ChrisKelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote: Hi Brian:) and everyone.. See below:Brian McKee <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> wrote: Shouldn't this be stated by representatives of the Mandir?Do you represent the Mandir?I think an open forum where people can work through their own religious / spritual issues is a good thing. I realize that many people don't like negativity but I've found that those people simply don't know how to let negativity fall away, like water off a duck's back. ************** This is one of the hardest places in sadhana. We all have our sensitive issue's and so it takes great strength to face what appears to be negative. I agree that not all people know how to do this, but with the desire to learn how to let it go will come assistance ************ I think Swami Satyananda would tell us if he felt we were too far off topic. ********* A good idea is skimming thru material and if you can see certain words that will not interest you, delete it and move on, just like when we are at work - time management and being efficient. Just my advice on reading emails of any kind.*******The subject of religious idealogies and abuse of religious ideals is very current and very real and I think talking about it, getting the feelings out in the open is a very good way to begin to heal. Many of us were raised in strict religious circumstances. Stated or not we were pressured to fit into a certain mold. Generally those molds are not condusive to spiritual growth. Allowing those molds to be broken is a painful and often emotional process. I think we should allow that evolution in this forum and witness the awakening and growth of consciousness in each other. That is to say we should be accepting of everyone's stage of development and we should love each other anyway. ********* This is a good topic amongst sadhaka's.. Acceptance. Mainly of the things that bug the hell out of us are gems to Knowing Ourselves. Ma gives us lots to work on and so with the rocks of irritation, with cutting the rocks eventually creates precious jewels and then you have something to give someone - Understanding. If we drop the rocks at Ma's feet and say, "No! No! This is a rock! I don't want a rock! It's scratchy and doesn't shine! Ma, a Rock?" With acceptance and the right tools and the understanding of how to use the tools in action, we can make beautiful gems out of the rock's Ma gives us. We can't do an emotional or bypass when things irritate us and expect to learn anything. ***********I'm of the opinion that all religions in the world have good people and bad people, that is to say people who want to help others / further our spiritual growth and people who wish to manipulate and control for power, money or other basic gains.I think Mohammad lived in violent times. I think its probably unfair to judge his actions with our morals because our morals probably couldn't have existed in his day.I've not studied the Koran but I do know good people who are Moslem. I think it just goes to show that goodness can be found where ever we look for it, assuming we are looking for it.I found it in Christianity, despite what the Catholics did in the middle ages and continue to do up till this day to manipulate the conscience of the individual will. I'm sure there are those who find it in Islam.Mother teaches us to love everyone. And that's not just advice, that's a principle. I believe that love is the only path to peace and that hating anyone is merely empowering the violence. Gandhi had that right, he lived the example and it worked. *********** I think also is to understand the patriarchal tendancies (some more latent than others) we all have learned from authoritarian teachers - to control and be dominant 'over' anything. I believe that is one reason most of us here love our matriarchal Mother who will always listen to us and empower us. It's one thing to love Her, but to emulate Her is another and takes great awareness, understanding and gentleness. ********* Sincerely,Brian"In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program.--- On Wed 10/08, Jesse Arana < jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net > wrote: Jesse Arana [ jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net]To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:06 -0400 Please take your conversation off-line Namaste, Please do not fill this group with off-topic posts. The negative aspects of any religion, culture, potitical party, or person do not need to be discussed in Shree Maa's group. This group is about the glory of the divine.No matter what our personal feelings are about negative appearances, all human history has been carried out under the energy of the divine. Far better to meditate on that, persue our own purification, and attain non-dual view and compassion.Jesse Arana (Kailash)www.meditationinfocus.comTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of Groups is subject to the No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Hi Kelly, Very nice reply. Thanks. I love the rocks to gems analogy. I notice that a lot of people have problems with the word acceptance. They prefer tolerance. But tolerance implies resentment to me. People don't like the word acceptance because they think it means condone, but it doesn't to me, to me its just about allowing others to do their thing, what ever that happens to be, as long as it doesn't break the golden rule. Brian At 09:41 PM 10/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hi Brian:) and everyone.. See below: Brian McKee <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> wrote: Shouldn't this be stated by representatives of the Mandir? Do you represent the Mandir? I think an open forum where people can work through their own religious / spritual issues is a good thing. I realize that many people don't like negativity but I've found that those people simply don't know how to let negativity fall away, like water off a duck's back. ************** This is one of the hardest places in sadhana. We all have our sensitive issue's and so it takes great strength to face what appears to be negative. I agree that not all people know how to do this, but with the desire to learn how to let it go will come assistance ************ I think Swami Satyananda would tell us if he felt we were too far off topic. ********* A good idea is skimming thru material and if you can see certain words that will not interest you, delete it and move on, just like when we are at work - time management and being efficient. Just my advice on reading emails of any kind.******* The subject of religious idealogies and abuse of religious ideals is very current and very real and I think talking about it, getting the feelings out in the open is a very good way to begin to heal. Many of us were raised in strict religious circumstances. Stated or not we were pressured to fit into a certain mold. Generally those molds are not condusive to spiritual growth. Allowing those molds to be broken is a painful and often emotional process. I think we should allow that evolution in this forum and witness the awakening and growth of consciousness in each other. That is to say we should be accepting of everyone's stage of development and we should love each other anyway. ********* This is a good topic amongst sadhaka's.. Acceptance. Mainly of the things that bug the hell out of us are gems to Knowing Ourselves. Ma gives us lots to work on and so with the rocks of irritation, with cutting the rocks eventually creates precious jewels and then you have something to give someone - Understanding. If we drop the rocks at Ma's feet and say, "No! No! This is a rock! I don't want a rock! It's scratchy and doesn't shine! Ma, a Rock?" With acceptance and the right tools and the understanding of how to use the tools in action, we can make beautiful gems out of the rock's Ma gives us. We can't do an emotional or bypass when things irritate us and expect to learn anything. *********** I'm of the opinion that all religions in the world have good people and bad people, that is to say people who want to help others / further our spiritual growth and people who wish to manipulate and control for power, money or other basic gains. I think Mohammad lived in violent times. I think its probably unfair to judge his actions with our morals because our morals probably couldn't have existed in his day. I've not studied the Koran but I do know good people who are Moslem. I think it just goes to show that goodness can be found where ever we look for it, assuming we are looking for it. I found it in Christianity, despite what the Catholics did in the middle ages and continue to do up till this day to manipulate the conscience of the individual will. I'm sure there are those who find it in Islam. Mother teaches us to love everyone. And that's not just advice, that's a principle. I believe that love is the only path to peace and that hating anyone is merely empowering the violence. Gandhi had that right, he lived the example and it worked. *********** I think also is to understand the patriarchal tendancies (some more latent than others) we all have learned from authoritarian teachers - to control and be dominant 'over' anything. I believe that is one reason most of us here love our matriarchal Mother who will always listen to us and empower us. It's one thing to love Her, but to emulate Her is another and takes great awareness, understanding and gentleness. ********* Sincerely, Brian "In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program. --- On Wed 10/08, Jesse Arana < jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net > wrote: Jesse Arana [ jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net] Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:06 -0400 Please take your conversation off-line Namaste, Please do not fill this group with off-topic posts. The negative aspects of any religion, culture, potitical party, or person do not need to be discussed in Shree Maa's group. This group is about the glory of the divine. No matter what our personal feelings are about negative appearances, all human history has been carried out under the energy of the divine. Far better to meditate on that, persue our own purification, and attain non-dual view and compassion. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. 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Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Namaste All Y'all, My Pranams to you. I speak only for myself and not as a representative of the Devi Mandir of which I am happy to be a member. I believe in freedom of speech and you have the right to discuss anything that you want . Just keep in mind that this is a offical forum for the Mandir and is authorized/blessed by Shree Maa and Swamiji - they have a link to this group in the website, as part of the signature in their email and so on , and so whatever is discussed here will in someway reflect on them . So let us keep talking - in a spirit of sincere questioning, without bringing any darkness/illwill to the name of this group or our beloved Gurus. Love Latha , chris kirner <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Kelly, > > Some very good insights! > > Chris > > Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote: > Hi Brian:) and everyone.. See below: > > Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote: > Shouldn't this be stated by representatives of the Mandir? > > Do you represent the Mandir? > > I think an open forum where people can work through their own religious / spritual issues is a good thing. I realize that many people don't like negativity but I've found that those people simply don't know how to let negativity fall away, like water off a duck's back. > > ************** This is one of the hardest places in sadhana. We all have our sensitive issue's and so it takes great strength to face what appears to be negative. I agree that not all people know how to do this, but with the desire to learn how to let it go will come assistance ************ > > I think Swami Satyananda would tell us if he felt we were too far off topic. > > ********* A good idea is skimming thru material and if you can see certain words that will not interest you, delete it and move on, just like when we are at work - time management and being efficient. Just my advice on reading emails of any kind.******* > > The subject of religious idealogies and abuse of religious ideals is very current and very real and I think talking about it, getting the feelings out in the open is a very good way to begin to heal. Many of us were raised in strict religious circumstances. Stated or not we were pressured to fit into a certain mold. Generally those molds are not condusive to spiritual growth. Allowing those molds to be broken is a painful and often emotional process. I think we should allow that evolution in this forum and witness the awakening and growth of consciousness in each other. That is to say we should be accepting of everyone's stage of development and we should love each other anyway. > > ********* This is a good topic amongst sadhaka's.. Acceptance. Mainly of the things that bug the hell out of us are gems to Knowing Ourselves. Ma gives us lots to work on and so with the rocks of irritation, with cutting the rocks eventually creates precious jewels and then you have something to give someone - Understanding. If we drop the rocks at Ma's feet and say, "No! No! This is a rock! I don't want a rock! It's scratchy and doesn't shine! Ma, a Rock?" With acceptance and the right tools and the understanding of how to use the tools in action, we can make beautiful gems out of the rock's Ma gives us. We can't do an emotional or bypass when things irritate us and expect to learn anything. *********** > > I'm of the opinion that all religions in the world have good people and bad people, that is to say people who want to help others / further our spiritual growth and people who wish to manipulate and control for power, money or other basic gains. > > I think Mohammad lived in violent times. I think its probably unfair to judge his actions with our morals because our morals probably couldn't have existed in his day. > > I've not studied the Koran but I do know good people who are Moslem. I think it just goes to show that goodness can be found where ever we look for it, assuming we are looking for it. > > I found it in Christianity, despite what the Catholics did in the middle ages and continue to do up till this day to manipulate the conscience of the individual will. I'm sure there are those who find it in Islam. > > Mother teaches us to love everyone. And that's not just advice, that's a principle. I believe that love is the only path to peace and that hating anyone is merely empowering the violence. Gandhi had that right, he lived the example and it worked. > > *********** I think also is to understand the patriarchal tendancies (some more latent than others) we all have learned from authoritarian teachers - to control and be dominant 'over' anything. I believe that is one reason most of us here love our matriarchal Mother who will always listen to us and empower us. It's one thing to love Her, but to emulate Her is another and takes great awareness, understanding and gentleness. ********* > > Sincerely, > > Brian > > "In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program. > > --- On Wed 10/08, Jesse Arana < jessearana@c... > wrote: > > > Jesse Arana [ jessearana@c...] > > Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:06 -0400 > Please take your conversation off-line > > Namaste, > > Please do not fill this group with off-topic posts. The negative aspects of any religion, culture, potitical party, or person do not need to be discussed in Shree Maa's group. This group is about the glory of the divine. > > No matter what our personal feelings are about negative appearances, all human history has been carried out under the energy of the divine. Far better to meditate on that, persue our own purification, and attain non-dual view and compassion. > > Jesse Arana (Kailash) > www.meditationinfocus.com > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > The New with improved product search > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Kelly, Excellent post! Astraea , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote: > Hi Brian:) and everyone.. See below: > > Brian McKee <brian@s...> wrote: > Shouldn't this be stated by representatives of the Mandir? > > Do you represent the Mandir? > > I think an open forum where people can work through their own religious / spritual issues is a good thing. I realize that many people don't like negativity but I've found that those people simply don't know how to let negativity fall away, like water off a duck's back. > > ************** This is one of the hardest places in sadhana. We all have our sensitive issue's and so it takes great strength to face what appears to be negative. I agree that not all people know how to do this, but with the desire to learn how to let it go will come assistance ************ > > I think Swami Satyananda would tell us if he felt we were too far off topic. > > ********* A good idea is skimming thru material and if you can see certain words that will not interest you, delete it and move on, just like when we are at work - time management and being efficient. Just my advice on reading emails of any kind.******* > > The subject of religious idealogies and abuse of religious ideals is very current and very real and I think talking about it, getting the feelings out in the open is a very good way to begin to heal. Many of us were raised in strict religious circumstances. Stated or not we were pressured to fit into a certain mold. Generally those molds are not condusive to spiritual growth. Allowing those molds to be broken is a painful and often emotional process. I think we should allow that evolution in this forum and witness the awakening and growth of consciousness in each other. That is to say we should be accepting of everyone's stage of development and we should love each other anyway. > > ********* This is a good topic amongst sadhaka's.. Acceptance. Mainly of the things that bug the hell out of us are gems to Knowing Ourselves. Ma gives us lots to work on and so with the rocks of irritation, with cutting the rocks eventually creates precious jewels and then you have something to give someone - Understanding. If we drop the rocks at Ma's feet and say, "No! No! This is a rock! I don't want a rock! It's scratchy and doesn't shine! Ma, a Rock?" With acceptance and the right tools and the understanding of how to use the tools in action, we can make beautiful gems out of the rock's Ma gives us. We can't do an emotional or bypass when things irritate us and expect to learn anything. *********** > > I'm of the opinion that all religions in the world have good people and bad people, that is to say people who want to help others / further our spiritual growth and people who wish to manipulate and control for power, money or other basic gains. > > I think Mohammad lived in violent times. I think its probably unfair to judge his actions with our morals because our morals probably couldn't have existed in his day. > > I've not studied the Koran but I do know good people who are Moslem. I think it just goes to show that goodness can be found where ever we look for it, assuming we are looking for it. > > I found it in Christianity, despite what the Catholics did in the middle ages and continue to do up till this day to manipulate the conscience of the individual will. I'm sure there are those who find it in Islam. > > Mother teaches us to love everyone. And that's not just advice, that's a principle. I believe that love is the only path to peace and that hating anyone is merely empowering the violence. Gandhi had that right, he lived the example and it worked. > > *********** I think also is to understand the patriarchal tendancies (some more latent than others) we all have learned from authoritarian teachers - to control and be dominant 'over' anything. I believe that is one reason most of us here love our matriarchal Mother who will always listen to us and empower us. It's one thing to love Her, but to emulate Her is another and takes great awareness, understanding and gentleness. ********* > > Sincerely, > > Brian > > "In the begining, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy Radio Program. > > --- On Wed 10/08, Jesse Arana < jessearana@c... > wrote: > > > Jesse Arana [ jessearana@c...] > > Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:05:06 -0400 > Please take your conversation off-line > > Namaste, > > Please do not fill this group with off-topic posts. The negative aspects of any religion, culture, potitical party, or person do not need to be discussed in Shree Maa's group. This group is about the glory of the divine. > > No matter what our personal feelings are about negative appearances, all human history has been carried out under the energy of the divine. Far better to meditate on that, persue our own purification, and attain non-dual view and compassion. > > Jesse Arana (Kailash) > www.meditationinfocus.com > > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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