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Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 It is absolutely necessary to have Guru in order to reach the final enlightened state. Sanskrit meaning of Gu-Ru is "The One Who Remove Darkness" According to Guru Gita, true Guru reside in one's spiritual heart which has same size as our thumb folded in our fist. As the discussion goes on between Shiva and Parvati, that we all need Guru in Physical Form who can show us the way. There are various stories where devotees have been turned back from Heaven (or Liberation) because they had no Guru. If a Guru is pleased, Gods will be pleased also but if Guru is not pleased even Gods will be angry. GuruGita has beautiful shlokas about importance of Guru in One's life. Thanks Maa for giving this opportunity to express our feelings towards you, that we need you. Jai Maa Dilip Sarada <sarada_saraswati > wrote: What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Namaste, I compiled a few sayings and stories about the importance and glory and sweetness of the Guru. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kabir: Kabir was born a Brahmin, to a widowed woman, but he was brought up by a Muslim weaver couple, Neeru and Neema. When he grew up, Kabir found his guru in Ramanand, an enlightened master of the time. But the brahmins of the time would not have tolerated a Muslim being initiated by a Hindu. So, Kabir found a unique way out. Every day at dawn, Ramanand went for a dip in the Ganga. One morning, Kabir wrapped himself in a blanket and lay down on the ground in the guru's way. Ramanand stumbled over his body and exclaimed: "Ram! Ram!" Kabir promptly caught hold of Ramanand's feet and said: "I've been initiated. I've got my mantra—Ram. Now bless me." "I was born in Kashi and given awareness by Ramanand." - Kabir "The Master is greater than God. You may very well think over this. Devotion to God keeps a person entangled on this side; but devotion to the Guru leads him across to God." - Kabir "Even if all the trees in the Universe are made into pens, and the water of all the seas made into ink, still it would be insufficient to illustrate the glory of the Guru." - Kabir Rumi: Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan on September 29, 1207 A.D. His family fled the Mongol invasion and finally settled in Konya, Turkey where he spent most of his life. From an early age Rumi was drawn towards religion and philosophy. He became a scholar, until his meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz at the age of 37. That was the turning point in his life, for Rumi had found the Guru who turned him from "learning" to the pure wisdom of devotion. "In the Master is lodged both God and the Mediator. There is in fact not the least distinction between the two. Drive all thought of duality from your mind, or else you will get lost in the wilderness, and so also shall be the fate of your first lessons in spirituality. He who considers the two as separate entities has not yet learnt anything from, or known anything of, the Master. - Rumi Ramakrishna: His first guru was Bhairavi Brahmani, who declared he was an avatar. His second Guru was Tota Puri, a naked yogi. "The Guru is a mediator. He brings man and God together even as a matchmaker brings together the lover and the beloved." - Ramakrishna "The roof is clearly visible, but extremely hard to reach. But if someone who has already reached it, drops down a rope, he can pull another person up." - Ramakrishna "If you are in right earnest to learn the mysteries of God, He will send you the Sadguru, the right teacher." - Ramakrishna Kularnava Tantra According to the 13th chapter of the influential Kularnava Tantra, there is no difference between devata, mantra and guru. "Devata in truth is the same as mantra; mantra in truth is the same as the guru. The fruit of the worship of the devata, mantra and guru is the same." (Ram Kumar Rai translation). Guru Nanak: "Let no man in the world live in delusion. Without a Guru none can cross over to the other shore." - Nanak Upanishads "Aacaaryavaan purusho veda" - only one who has a preceptor, gains true knowledge. - Chandogya Upanishad Lao Tzu "Find a teacher who is an integral being, a beacon who extends his Light and virtue with equal ease to those who appreciate him and those who don’t. Shape yourself in his mold, bathe in his nourishing radiance, and reflect it out to the rest of the Universe." Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Ching Lama Yeshe: We should not interpret this to mean that the external, relative guru is unimportant. This is not true; he or she is vitally important. Although it is true that the tantric teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha have been in existence for 2500 years, do they exist for us if we have not yet met a qualified tantric master? Are they real for us or not? Despite the extensive explanations of such realised adepts as Naropa, Marpa and Tsong Khapa, can we say that tantra is a reality for us before someone has introduced it to us? Of course not. And the same is true for the teachings of sutra as well; the fact that Buddha taught the Four Noble Truths a long time ago does not make them true for us. They only become part of our reality once we have realised them, and this depends upon having met a guru who can show us their truth clearly in a way we can understand. If we do not have the living example and inspiration of the external guru, our inner wisdom win remain weak and undeveloped. The need for such an experienced guide is crucial when it comes to following tantra because tantra is a very technical, internally technical, system of development. We have to be shown how everything fits together until we actually feel it for ourselves. Without the proper guidance we would be as confused as someone who instead of getting a Rolls Royce gets only a pile of unassembled parts and an instruction book. Unless the person were already a highly skilled mechanic, he or she would be completely lost. Adi Shankaracharya "My fame has spread in all quarters. All the things of the world are in my hands. But if my mind is not attached to the lotus feet of the Guru, what then, what then, what then, what then?" - Adi Shankaracharya, Guru Stotram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Namaste, My Guru is the one who held me and shook me in the air, saying, "You! You. Stop being so spiritual. Be an ordinary, sane human being. Go to therapy. Get a job." My Guru is the one who softly comforted me, saying, "It doesn't matter how many lifetimes you take. I will be here for you." My Guru is the one who drew me back into the practices, after I had abandoned them. My Guru is the one who invited me into Her home. My Guru is the one who giggled softly, and smiled when I asked for a mantra. Then opened my eyes and whispered the Gayatri into my nadis. My Guru is the one who blessed me with the seva of coming back lifetime after lifetime after lifetime, to serve all beings. My Guru is One. He is Buddhist, She is Hindu. He is Dorje Trollo. She is Saraswati. He is Mahasiddha Sabara. She is Karunamayi. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Sarada [sarada_saraswati ] Monday, October 13, 2003 3:33 PMSubject: Question for the groupWhat is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I enjoyed that. Thank you for the posts. However, I'm interested if you have documentation or have done research in regards to the rest of the worlds traditions besides those that come from the east? My dearest friend, a pundit from India, born and raised with an enlightened Guru told me at first he thought no one in the West could possibly be enlightened without the Eastern teachings. He said it was very arrogant and he was proved wrong as he met spiritual westerners who had no eastern influence who were illumined. He now knows better and knows that the west is not as bereft of spiriutality as most easterners have told the world. It's good to revere the Guru, no doubt. What have you read about western Guru's? Or has no one in the West ever made it to God without the 'Guru' and mantra? I like well roundedness, that is why I ask since you've done the reading and the footwork and are not based soley on faith. If Swami Satyananda knows of the western Enlightened people, let us know. This is not for debate, but information purposes only. I want to know if only eastern educated people achieve grace from a Guru and if so, does the rest of the world have 'bad' karma? I appreciate your post. Namaste. KellyJesse Arana <jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste, I compiled a few sayings and stories about the importance and glory and sweetness of the Guru. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kabir: Kabir was born a Brahmin, to a widowed woman, but he was brought up by a Muslim weaver couple, Neeru and Neema. When he grew up, Kabir found his guru in Ramanand, an enlightened master of the time. But the brahmins of the time would not have tolerated a Muslim being initiated by a Hindu. So, Kabir found a unique way out. Every day at dawn, Ramanand went for a dip in the Ganga. One morning, Kabir wrapped himself in a blanket and lay down on the ground in the guru's way. Ramanand stumbled over his body and exclaimed: "Ram! Ram!" Kabir promptly caught hold of Ramanand's feet and said: "I've been initiated. I've got my mantra—Ram. Now bless me." "I was born in Kashi and given awareness by Ramanand." - Kabir "The Master is greater than God. You may very well think over this. Devotion to God keeps a person entangled on this side; but devotion to the Guru leads him across to God." - Kabir "Even if all the trees in the Universe are made into pens, and the water of all the seas made into ink, still it would be insufficient to illustrate the glory of the Guru." - Kabir Rumi: Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan on September 29, 1207 A.D. His family fled the Mongol invasion and finally settled in Konya, Turkey where he spent most of his life. From an early age Rumi was drawn towards religion and philosophy. He became a scholar, until his meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz at the age of 37. That was the turning point in his life, for Rumi had found the Guru who turned him from "learning" to the pure wisdom of devotion. "In the Master is lodged both God and the Mediator. There is in fact not the least distinction between the two. Drive all thought of duality from your mind, or else you will get lost in the wilderness, and so also shall be the fate of your first lessons in spirituality. He who considers the two as separate entities has not yet learnt anything from, or known anything of, the Master. - Rumi Ramakrishna: His first guru was Bhairavi Brahmani, who declared he was an avatar. His second Guru was Tota Puri, a naked yogi. "The Guru is a mediator. He brings man and God together even as a matchmaker brings together the lover and the beloved." - Ramakrishna "The roof is clearly visible, but extremely hard to reach. But if someone who has already reached it, drops down a rope, he can pull another person up." - Ramakrishna "If you are in right earnest to learn the mysteries of God, He will send you the Sadguru, the right teacher." - Ramakrishna Kularnava Tantra According to the 13th chapter of the influential Kularnava Tantra, there is no difference between devata, mantra and guru. "Devata in truth is the same as mantra; mantra in truth is the same as the guru. The fruit of the worship of the devata, mantra and guru is the same." (Ram Kumar Rai translation). Guru Nanak: "Let no man in the world live in delusion. Without a Guru none can cross over to the other shore." - Nanak Upanishads "Aacaaryavaan purusho veda" - only one who has a preceptor, gains true knowledge. - Chandogya Upanishad Lao Tzu "Find a teacher who is an integral being, a beacon who extends his Light and virtue with equal ease to those who appreciate him and those who don’t. Shape yourself in his mold, bathe in his nourishing radiance, and reflect it out to the rest of the Universe." Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Ching Lama Yeshe: We should not interpret this to mean that the external, relative guru is unimportant. This is not true; he or she is vitally important. Although it is true that the tantric teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha have been in existence for 2500 years, do they exist for us if we have not yet met a qualified tantric master? Are they real for us or not? Despite the extensive explanations of such realised adepts as Naropa, Marpa and Tsong Khapa, can we say that tantra is a reality for us before someone has introduced it to us? Of course not. And the same is true for the teachings of sutra as well; the fact that Buddha taught the Four Noble Truths a long time ago does not make them true for us. They only become part of our reality once we have realised them, and this depends upon having met a guru who can show us their truth clearly in a way we can understand. If we do not have the living example and inspiration of the external guru, our inner wisdom win remain weak and undeveloped. The need for such an experienced guide is crucial when it comes to following tantra because tantra is a very technical, internally technical, system of development. We have to be shown how everything fits together until we actually feel it for ourselves. Without the proper guidance we would be as confused as someone who instead of getting a Rolls Royce gets only a pile of unassembled parts and an instruction book. Unless the person were already a highly skilled mechanic, he or she would be completely lost. Adi Shankaracharya "My fame has spread in all quarters. All the things of the world are in my hands. But if my mind is not attached to the lotus feet of the Guru, what then, what then, what then, what then?" - Adi Shankaracharya, Guru Stotram To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 I would say the Guru is the one/ones who will be able to inspire the disciple to reach their highest potential in this life/lives with the eventual outcome of growing to such a degree that all the karmic bonds are lifted and the disciple uncovers their own inner Guru.The Guru will use whatever means neccessary, and that they see fit, to encourage this growth.There is no judgement over the disciple's character as such, and the Guru will only compassionately prod the disciple towards their goal, fullfilling those desires the Guru seee's fit to fullfill. The Guru is the ultimate example of sacrifice, giving completely without reserve for the benefit of the disciple/s inner and outer spiritual growth. I believe it is necessary to have a true enlightened Guru in the present life(hence all present lives) if one is to ever truely hope of attaining samadhi at the highest levels and then complete absorption in the divine as far as is able while in the body, until the soul becomes one with the infinite. Without this knowledgable one/s to guide the aspirant, he or she oftentimes stumbles blindly in the dark looking for the light which they have been themselves holding . To the best of my ability, this is the explanation of the Guru. Sarada <sarada_saraswati > wrote: What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Namaste Kailash, I loved your post. Jai Maa , "Jesse Arana" <jessearana@c...> wrote: > Namaste, > > My Guru is the one who held me and shook me in the air, saying, "You! > You. Stop being so spiritual. Be an ordinary, sane human being. Go to > therapy. Get a job." > > My Guru is the one who softly comforted me, saying, "It doesn't matter > how many lifetimes you take. I will be here for you." > > My Guru is the one who drew me back into the practices, after I had > abandoned them. > > My Guru is the one who invited me into Her home. > > My Guru is the one who giggled softly, and smiled when I asked for a > mantra. Then opened my eyes and whispered the Gayatri into my nadis. > > My Guru is the one who blessed me with the seva of coming back lifetime > after lifetime after lifetime, to serve all beings. > > My Guru is One. He is Buddhist, She is Hindu. He is Dorje Trollo. She is > Saraswati. He is Mahasiddha Sabara. She is Karunamayi. > > Jesse Arana (Kailash) > www.meditationinfocus.com > > > > > Sarada [sarada_saraswati] > Monday, October 13, 2003 3:33 PM > > Question for the group > > > What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? > > > > > Sponsor > > > > <http://rd./M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1 705 > 075991:HM/A=1595056/R=0/SIG=124p07ne0/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryutai tak > enattogyo?YH=3707890&yhad=1595056> Click Here! > > <http://us.adserver./l? M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egrou > pmail/S=:HM/A=1595056/rand=711278908> > > > > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2003 Report Share Posted October 13, 2003 Namaste, Guru is the dispeller of darkness and SHE LIVES UP TO IT, believe me. You can learn mantras from a book and with sincere devotion actually go somewhere, but who else will get in your face and make you face all your demons without any selfish interest of Her own. We need Her desperately. She's the only one who can take us across the ocean. Jai Maa, Gauri , "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati> wrote: > What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Perfect post. I agree 100%. If they don't get in your face sometimes they are doing the disciple a disservice. Sometimes that is needed and Thank God when it happens! Jai Maa! Lucky girl!Gauri <gaurima108 > wrote: Namaste,Guru is the dispeller of darkness and SHE LIVES UP TO IT, believe me.You can learn mantras from a book and with sincere devotion actually go somewhere, but who else will get in your face and make you face all your demons without any selfish interest of Her own.We need Her desperately. She's the only one who can take us across the ocean.Jai Maa,Gauri, "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati> wrote:> What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity?To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Is She needed? If God is needed, then Guru is needed. If the PGuru is short sighted, then always go for Maa, Maa knows the karma and dharma and will ALWAYS be there for Her children. Always Maa. Call it Guru if you want to, I love my Mother. If the child is pure, superstition will never cloud her judgement and will always be on the lap of Her Mama. Jai Maa! Sarada <sarada_saraswati > wrote: What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Namaste Kelly, I have read world religions widely, and visited 14 Catholic monasteries. Met Brother David Steindl-Rast, Bruno Burkhart, and visited Thomas Merton's grave (even snuck out to visit his hermitage). I have no bias about the ability for anyone to get enlightened, in any culture, tradition, or time. I consider there are many Heretics, Sufi saints, and Shamans from various traditions that have been enlightened. I do believe it is harder to advance spiritually without a living Guru who teaches you one-on-one, and through blessing force. Many lineages die out over time, and that is sad. But the spirit of the teachings is always available on Earth somewhere, and that is why we gravitate toward lineages that are not from our own culture. We seek that which we need spiritually wherever it dwells. There is no doubt in my mind that Bhakti alone can lead one to Enlightenment. But for the practice of Sadhanas, a Guru and transmission are required. Otherwise you end up making your own religion, which is about how you feel, rather than utilizing a method handed down via direct spiritual transmission. I don't have time to come up with a more comprehensive list, but here is a stab at answering your post: I would say the following Christian Mystics have approached or were enlightened. - Author of The Cloud of Unknowing, a Christian work written by an unknown English monk around 1370 AD. - St. John of the Cross, a Spanish Mystic, who lived from 1542 to 1591. - Julian of Norwich, an English mystic who lived from 1342 to 1413. - Jacob Boehme, a German mystic who lived from 1575 to 1624. He sprung from the Lutheran church, but Lutheran authorities rejected his teaching and threatened him with imprisonment. - Meister Eckhart, lived between 1260 and 1326 AD. A member of the Dominican Order, he held senior ecclesistical and teaching posts all over Europe. Following his death, a number of his teachings were repudiated by the Roman Catholic Church. - FRANCIS of ASSISI [John Bernardone] (1182-1226) Founder of the Franciscan order, which emphasized self-renunciation and poverty. Francis approaches nature mysticism at times, particularly when he sees God in all living things. Works: Canticle of the Sun. - PYTHAGORAS (c.580/570-c.500 BCE) - Ramon Llull ( a favorite http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~jordi/llgen.html#deu) Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kelly Leeper [blissnout ] Monday, October 13, 2003 9:35 PMSubject: RE: Question for the group Jesse, I enjoyed that. Thank you for the posts. However, I'm interested if you have documentation or have done research in regards to the rest of the worlds traditions besides those that come from the east? My dearest friend, a pundit from India, born and raised with an enlightened Guru told me at first he thought no one in the West could possibly be enlightened without the Eastern teachings. He said it was very arrogant and he was proved wrong as he met spiritual westerners who had no eastern influence who were illumined. He now knows better and knows that the west is not as bereft of spiriutality as most easterners have told the world. It's good to revere the Guru, no doubt. What have you read about western Guru's? Or has no one in the West ever made it to God without the 'Guru' and mantra? I like well roundedness, that is why I ask since you've done the reading and the footwork and are not based soley on faith. If Swami Satyananda knows of the western Enlightened people, let us know. This is not for debate, but information purposes only. I want to know if only eastern educated people achieve grace from a Guru and if so, does the rest of the world have 'bad' karma? I appreciate your post. Namaste. KellyJesse Arana <jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste, I compiled a few sayings and stories about the importance and glory and sweetness of the Guru. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kabir: Kabir was born a Brahmin, to a widowed woman, but he was brought up by a Muslim weaver couple, Neeru and Neema. When he grew up, Kabir found his guru in Ramanand, an enlightened master of the time. But the brahmins of the time would not have tolerated a Muslim being initiated by a Hindu. So, Kabir found a unique way out. Every day at dawn, Ramanand went for a dip in the Ganga. One morning, Kabir wrapped himself in a blanket and lay down on the ground in the guru's way. Ramanand stumbled over his body and exclaimed: "Ram! Ram!" Kabir promptly caught hold of Ramanand's feet and said: "I've been initiated. I've got my mantra—Ram. Now bless me." "I was born in Kashi and given awareness by Ramanand." - Kabir "The Master is greater than God. You may very well think over this. Devotion to God keeps a person entangled on this side; but devotion to the Guru leads him across to God." - Kabir "Even if all the trees in the Universe are made into pens, and the water of all the seas made into ink, still it would be insufficient to illustrate the glory of the Guru." - Kabir Rumi: Rumi was born in Balkh, Afghanistan on September 29, 1207 A.D. His family fled the Mongol invasion and finally settled in Konya, Turkey where he spent most of his life. From an early age Rumi was drawn towards religion and philosophy. He became a scholar, until his meeting with the wandering dervish, Shams of Tabriz at the age of 37. That was the turning point in his life, for Rumi had found the Guru who turned him from "learning" to the pure wisdom of devotion. "In the Master is lodged both God and the Mediator. There is in fact not the least distinction between the two. Drive all thought of duality from your mind, or else you will get lost in the wilderness, and so also shall be the fate of your first lessons in spirituality. He who considers the two as separate entities has not yet learnt anything from, or known anything of, the Master. - Rumi Ramakrishna: His first guru was Bhairavi Brahmani, who declared he was an avatar. His second Guru was Tota Puri, a naked yogi. "The Guru is a mediator. He brings man and God together even as a matchmaker brings together the lover and the beloved." - Ramakrishna "The roof is clearly visible, but extremely hard to reach. But if someone who has already reached it, drops down a rope, he can pull another person up." - Ramakrishna "If you are in right earnest to learn the mysteries of God, He will send you the Sadguru, the right teacher." - Ramakrishna Kularnava Tantra According to the 13th chapter of the influential Kularnava Tantra, there is no difference between devata, mantra and guru. "Devata in truth is the same as mantra; mantra in truth is the same as the guru. The fruit of the worship of the devata, mantra and guru is the same." (Ram Kumar Rai translation). Guru Nanak: "Let no man in the world live in delusion. Without a Guru none can cross over to the other shore." - Nanak Upanishads "Aacaaryavaan purusho veda" - only one who has a preceptor, gains true knowledge. - Chandogya Upanishad Lao Tzu "Find a teacher who is an integral being, a beacon who extends his Light and virtue with equal ease to those who appreciate him and those who don’t. Shape yourself in his mold, bathe in his nourishing radiance, and reflect it out to the rest of the Universe." Lao Tzu, Hua Hu Ching Lama Yeshe: We should not interpret this to mean that the external, relative guru is unimportant. This is not true; he or she is vitally important. Although it is true that the tantric teachings of Shakyamuni Buddha have been in existence for 2500 years, do they exist for us if we have not yet met a qualified tantric master? Are they real for us or not? Despite the extensive explanations of such realised adepts as Naropa, Marpa and Tsong Khapa, can we say that tantra is a reality for us before someone has introduced it to us? Of course not. And the same is true for the teachings of sutra as well; the fact that Buddha taught the Four Noble Truths a long time ago does not make them true for us. They only become part of our reality once we have realised them, and this depends upon having met a guru who can show us their truth clearly in a way we can understand. If we do not have the living example and inspiration of the external guru, our inner wisdom win remain weak and undeveloped. The need for such an experienced guide is crucial when it comes to following tantra because tantra is a very technical, internally technical, system of development. We have to be shown how everything fits together until we actually feel it for ourselves. Without the proper guidance we would be as confused as someone who instead of getting a Rolls Royce gets only a pile of unassembled parts and an instruction book. Unless the person were already a highly skilled mechanic, he or she would be completely lost. Adi Shankaracharya "My fame has spread in all quarters. All the things of the world are in my hands. But if my mind is not attached to the lotus feet of the Guru, what then, what then, what then, what then?" - Adi Shankaracharya, Guru Stotram To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the The New with improved product search To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Namaste Gauri, I am happy you enjoyed it. I loved writing it, and consider myself very, very lucky. I was telling someone the other day, you know how people ask: "When was the last time you saw your parents?" Well, if someone asks me "When was the last time you talked with your Guru?" I could say, "I spoke with one on the phone last week, and has emails with the other this week." Very, very, very lucky... this lifetime! J. Gauri [gaurima108 ] Monday, October 13, 2003 10:13 PMTo: Subject: Re: Question for the groupNamaste Kailash,I loved your post.Jai Maa--- In , "Jesse Arana" <jessearana@c...> wrote:> Namaste, > > My Guru is the one who held me and shook me in the air, saying, "You!> You. Stop being so spiritual. Be an ordinary, sane human being. Go to> therapy. Get a job."> > My Guru is the one who softly comforted me, saying, "It doesn't matter> how many lifetimes you take. I will be here for you."> > My Guru is the one who drew me back into the practices, after I had> abandoned them.> > My Guru is the one who invited me into Her home.> > My Guru is the one who giggled softly, and smiled when I asked for a> mantra. Then opened my eyes and whispered the Gayatri into my nadis.> > My Guru is the one who blessed me with the seva of coming back lifetime> after lifetime after lifetime, to serve all beings.> > My Guru is One. He is Buddhist, She is Hindu. He is Dorje Trollo. She is> Saraswati. He is Mahasiddha Sabara. She is Karunamayi.> > Jesse Arana (Kailash)> www.meditationinfocus.com> > > > > Sarada [sarada_saraswati] > Monday, October 13, 2003 3:33 PM> > Question for the group> > > What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? > > > > > Sponsor > > > > <http://rd./M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705> 075991:HM/A=1595056/R=0/SIG=124p07ne0/*http://ashnin.com/clk/muryutaitak> enattogyo?YH=3707890&yhad=1595056> Click Here! > > <http://us.adserver./l?M=244522.3707890.4968055.1261774/D=egrou> pmail/S=:HM/A=1595056/rand=711278908> > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of Service> <> .To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 For me it means two things! Guru in the meaning of life it self is our guru, life experiences teaches us... we need a guru in person to give us feedback and mindkeys about the interpetation of our experiences in the light and wisdom of god..and that specific message we need to get out of our experiences.. but yet I feel god is everywhere.. he might let us know things by a simple child, even a drunk man.. if god wants you to have his message he will reach you one way or the other.. Love Diaan (Mira) , "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati> wrote: > What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Speaking for myself, I need to have a physical Guru if I have to make any progress in Sadhana. I know the goal - I need a roadmap ,proper equipment and a trusted guide. The path/tradition is the roadmap, the sadhana is the equipment and the Guru is the guide. With time at a premium - I would stick with a tried and tested tradition that has worked for many seekers across many centuries and could possibly work for me. The Guru is the subject matter expert , my frame of reference to align myself. The Guru is the living proof of what I want to be/become. Thank you Shree Maa and Swamiji for being our shining examples. , "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati> wrote: > What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Well said. - Latha Nanda Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:14 PM Re: Question for the group Speaking for myself, I need to have a physical Guru if I have to make any progress in Sadhana.I know the goal - I need a roadmap ,proper equipment and a trusted guide.The path/tradition is the roadmap, the sadhana is the equipment and the Guru is the guide. With time at a premium - I would stick with a tried and tested tradition that has worked for many seekers across many centuries and could possibly work for me.The Guru is the subject matter expert , my frame of reference to align myself. The Guru is the living proof of what I want to be/become.Thank you Shree Maa and Swamiji for being our shining examples. , "Sarada" <sarada_saraswati> wrote:> What is the meaning of the Guru and is it necessary to have a Guru > in order to reach the Supreme Divinity?To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2003 Report Share Posted October 16, 2003 The Guru is the Pure Love deep within my heart. The Guru is the Supreme Divinity. The Guru is always with me. I cannot be separated from Her... I need only realize that I am never separated from Her. I love and bow to Shree Maa and Swamiji for helping me to realize the Love that is always within me. Love, Rosie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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