Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 I read... Difference between a student and a disciple A student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability to practice the teachings. A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no matter what.' In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.' The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated to all students and followers." I prayed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Dear Nandu, Thanks for your readings, I understand your praying, I pray all the time to be a good disciple. I think the quote you gave is from Pundit Rasmani's book, The 11th Hour, a biography of Swami Rama? I like to remember the root of the words discipline and disciple--same root= , of course, and it means "love." ( or more literally, "to hold" or "hold apa= rt", that is, learn) Whatever you love, you will follow, and it will expand in you naturally--yo= u learn by following that with your heart's desire. For me, it's a simple truth, and takes away the sense of "duty" or "job to do" when we hear the word discipline. Instead, I understand it better as the universal principle of love--that wherever we put our attention, that will expand. When we pay attention to our guru, discipline comes, because of our love/ desire to be with them, because of their example, and because of their teachings--also makes it much more fun! and there is also a sense of purpose in learning to focus and cutting away = the excess. love to you, Nandu! , "nandu_108" <n_mallan> wrote: > I read... > > Difference between a student and a disciple > > A student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a > part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts > and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability > to practice the teachings. > > A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his > time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to > undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one > perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and > disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no > matter what.' > > In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain > disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available > whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks > fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.' > > The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your > carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to > organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when > you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use > of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. > According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So > many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, > you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in > the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this > trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline > yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is > imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated > to all students and followers." > > I prayed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Nandu, But who makes such distinction? To ponder whether the person is a student or disciple is a non issue and a matter of semantics. A student will also be an effective student if he has discipline, so what you call the aspirant makes no difference. Again, it's titles name and fame. There is no difference between the two. If discipling is the deciding factor, there is no difference. I've seen Guru's who are not disciplined and I've seen students more disciplined than the Guru. Names and appearance. If the Guru is wrapped up in titles and names, he wouldn't be the Guru for me. True learning is up to everyone whether they have a physical Guru or not. Lucky is the person who can see God in everything, poor is the man who cannot. Jai Maa! Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: I read...Difference between a student and a discipleA student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability to practice the teachings.A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no matter what.'In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.'The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated to all students and followers."I prayed...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Nitya Ma, There is a more "scientific" explanation as well. When a disciple is close to the Gurudeva, either physically (easier) or emotionally, the guru's sattwic nature influences the disciple's sattwa, which tends to increase over time. In my view, discernment between the truly pleasant and the truly painful is one of sattwa's greatest gifts, because it gives rise to a love of discipline. Chris , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > Dear Nandu, > Thanks for your readings, I understand your praying, I pray all the time > to be a good disciple. > I think the quote you gave is from Pundit Rasmani's book, The 11th Hour, > a biography of Swami Rama? > > I like to remember the root of the words discipline and disciple-- same root= > , > of course, and it means "love." ( or more literally, "to hold" or "hold apa= > rt", that > is, learn) > Whatever you love, you will follow, and it will expand in you naturally--yo= > u > learn by following that with your heart's desire. > For me, it's a simple truth, and takes away the sense of "duty" or > "job to do" when we hear the word discipline. Instead, I understand > it better as the universal principle of love--that wherever we put our > attention, that will expand. > When we pay attention to our guru, discipline comes, because of our love/ > desire to be with them, because of their example, and because of their > teachings--also makes it much more fun! > and there is also a sense of purpose in learning to focus and cutting away = > the > excess. > > love to you, Nandu! > > > > , "nandu_108" <n_mallan> wrote: > > I read... > > > > Difference between a student and a disciple > > > > A student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a > > part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts > > and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability > > to practice the teachings. > > > > A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his > > time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to > > undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one > > perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and > > disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no > > matter what.' > > > > In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain > > disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available > > whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks > > fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.' > > > > The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your > > carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to > > organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when > > you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use > > of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. > > According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So > > many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, > > you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in > > the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this > > trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline > > yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is > > imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated > > to all students and followers." > > > > I prayed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 Kelly, The difference between a student and a disciple is that the disciple lives in the grace of the guru, and the student keeps trying to make up their own religion. You mention names and appearances. Everyone is caught in names and appearances. But your ideas seems to be that it's mainly the people who accept that a living guru is a requirement for spiritual growth, are the only one's caught in the world of names and appearances. That is not the case. Everyone is caught in names and appearances. The difference between a student and a disciple is that the disciple recognizes that as their fundamental flaw, and becomes an open book for the names and forms given by the grace of the guru, because those names and forms purify the mindstream more quickly than self-centered speculations used to justify the students own opinions. Even Nisargadatta had a method in names and appearances, and he is the most radical non-dualist in recent times. The world is what it is. A true guru knows how to use name and appearance to liberate instead of bind. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kelly Leeper [blissnout ] Monday, October 27, 2003 10:33 PMSubject: Re: Difference between a student and a disciple Nandu, But who makes such distinction? To ponder whether the person is a student or disciple is a non issue and a matter of semantics. A student will also be an effective student if he has discipline, so what you call the aspirant makes no difference. Again, it's titles name and fame. There is no difference between the two. If discipling is the deciding factor, there is no difference. I've seen Guru's who are not disciplined and I've seen students more disciplined than the Guru. Names and appearance. If the Guru is wrapped up in titles and names, he wouldn't be the Guru for me. True learning is up to everyone whether they have a physical Guru or not. Lucky is the person who can see God in everything, poor is the man who cannot. Jai Maa! Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: I read...Difference between a student and a discipleA student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability to practice the teachings.A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no matter what.'In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.'The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated to all students and followers."I prayed...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2003 Report Share Posted October 28, 2003 I'm sorry my innovative thoughts seem to threaten you. It's not my intent. Tradition is a wonderful thing provided we keep an open mind. Most often people get stuck in the rut of tradition and become highly dogmatic and misunderstandingslike this arise. By nature I am an innovative person. I have very traditional people in my life who feel they are nothing without their tradition. What is beautful is that we can love eachotherfor our uniqueness. I'm sorry you can't see my idea's as unique and instead assume they are based off of trying to form a new religion. I'm sorry it feels threatening to you. I can honor your need for tradition. Please honor my need for innovation. I can honor our differences, just please don't make assumptions without knowing me or put words in my mouth that I'm trying to create a new religion. There isn't anything new under the sun and if you read closely I haven't said anything to insinuate I am forming a new religion. That was your assumption. The belief of name and form as being more important than substance creates misunderstandings like this and from my understanding I see people seeing dogma as more important instead of seeing it as a tool. Tools are eventually no longer useful after you use them for what you need them for and it's for no one else to decide but the user. To assume a student or disciple has no grace is purely assumption based off fear or arrogance. I'm glad you have alot of grace to get you by. Here is a sufi story I posted on another forum. Maybe you'll be able to understand where I'm coming from. Once upon a time there was a holy man who lived at the steps of a wealthy mans house. Each day the wealthy man left his house to make money or do something worldly, the holy man judged the wealthy man pointing out his folly telling the wealthy man that he would pray for his sins. Each day this happened, the wealthy man would leave thanking the holy man for his prayers. The holy man in his holy decadence thought the wealthy man was a lost cause and prayed for him day after day for him to understand his attachment to the world. The holy man thought it was his duty to point this out to the wealthy man as he sat at the steps of his house every day. Eventually both men die and ascend to heaven to meet God. The wealthy man gets admitted into heaven and the holy man has to reincarnate to the lower worlds. The holy man asks, "Why God, with all my penance and good deeds have done, you decide to send me to the lower worlds? The wealthy man who has been absorbed in worldly life day after day you raise in the heavens. Why Lord have you done this?" The Lord replies, "each day you pointed out the wealthy mans error and by your prayers he has ascended to me. However, in your arrogance in pointing out his worldly intent you have descended to the lower worlds where you will need to purify your intents. You saw the man as low and pointed that out to him every day. This is the reason he is with me and you are to pay penance for telling him his intent was not pure." I think we can all relate to this. I'm not blaming people for being traditional, however being innovative, most traditional people try and suppress anyone who is innovative by calling them names or by putting words in their mouth or assuming they live with no grace. To limit grace to a tradition or a Guru is to limit God. I have never been without Grace. I have 2 Guru's and love them both and learn from both of them. However, I experienced grace before I met both of them as I havenever been without Guru. Namaste, Kelly Jesse Arana <jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Kelly, The difference between a student and a disciple is that the disciple lives in the grace of the guru, and the student keeps trying to make up their own religion. You mention names and appearances. Everyone is caught in names and appearances. But your ideas seems to be that it's mainly the people who accept that a living guru is a requirement for spiritual growth, are the only one's caught in the world of names and appearances. That is not the case. Everyone is caught in names and appearances. The difference between a student and a disciple is that the disciple recognizes that as their fundamental flaw, and becomes an open book for the names and forms given by the grace of the guru, because those names and forms purify the mindstream more quickly than self-centered speculations used to justify the students own opinions. Even Nisargadatta had a method in names and appearances, and he is the most radical non-dualist in recent times. The world is what it is. A true guru knows how to use name and appearance to liberate instead of bind. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kelly Leeper [blissnout ] Monday, October 27, 2003 10:33 PMSubject: Re: Difference between a student and a disciple Nandu, But who makes such distinction? To ponder whether the person is a student or disciple is a non issue and a matter of semantics. A student will also be an effective student if he has discipline, so what you call the aspirant makes no difference. Again, it's titles name and fame. There is no difference between the two. If discipling is the deciding factor, there is no difference. I've seen Guru's who are not disciplined and I've seen students more disciplined than the Guru. Names and appearance. If the Guru is wrapped up in titles and names, he wouldn't be the Guru for me. True learning is up to everyone whether they have a physical Guru or not. Lucky is the person who can see God in everything, poor is the man who cannot. Jai Maa! Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: I read...Difference between a student and a discipleA student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability to practice the teachings.A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no matter what.'In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.'The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated to all students and followers."I prayed...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 Namaste Kelly, I am not threatened by your ideas at all. I am presenting teachings from my Gurus who have kindly pointed out that intellectual and spiritual fantasy are not the path to liberation. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kelly Leeper [blissnout ] Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:44 PMSubject: RE: Difference between a student and a disciple Jesse, I'm sorry my innovative thoughts seem to threaten you. It's not my intent. Tradition is a wonderful thing provided we keep an open mind. Most often people get stuck in the rut of tradition and become highly dogmatic and misunderstandingslike this arise. By nature I am an innovative person. I have very traditional people in my life who feel they are nothing without their tradition. What is beautful is that we can love eachotherfor our uniqueness. I'm sorry you can't see my idea's as unique and instead assume they are based off of trying to form a new religion. I'm sorry it feels threatening to you. I can honor your need for tradition. Please honor my need for innovation. I can honor our differences, just please don't make assumptions without knowing me or put words in my mouth that I'm trying to create a new religion. There isn't anything new under the sun and if you read closely I haven't said anything to insinuate I am forming a new religion. That was your assumption. The belief of name and form as being more important than substance creates misunderstandings like this and from my understanding I see people seeing dogma as more important instead of seeing it as a tool. Tools are eventually no longer useful after you use them for what you need them for and it's for no one else to decide but the user. To assume a student or disciple has no grace is purely assumption based off fear or arrogance. I'm glad you have alot of grace to get you by. Here is a sufi story I posted on another forum. Maybe you'll be able to understand where I'm coming from. Once upon a time there was a holy man who lived at the steps of a wealthy mans house. Each day the wealthy man left his house to make money or do something worldly, the holy man judged the wealthy man pointing out his folly telling the wealthy man that he would pray for his sins. Each day this happened, the wealthy man would leave thanking the holy man for his prayers. The holy man in his holy decadence thought the wealthy man was a lost cause and prayed for him day after day for him to understand his attachment to the world. The holy man thought it was his duty to point this out to the wealthy man as he sat at the steps of his house every day. Eventually both men die and ascend to heaven to meet God. The wealthy man gets admitted into heaven and the holy man has to reincarnate to the lower worlds. The holy man asks, "Why God, with all my penance and good deeds have done, you decide to send me to the lower worlds? The wealthy man who has been absorbed in worldly life day after day you raise in the heavens. Why Lord have you done this?" The Lord replies, "each day you pointed out the wealthy mans error and by your prayers he has ascended to me. However, in your arrogance in pointing out his worldly intent you have descended to the lower worlds where you will need to purify your intents. You saw the man as low and pointed that out to him every day. This is the reason he is with me and you are to pay penance for telling him his intent was not pure." I think we can all relate to this. I'm not blaming people for being traditional, however being innovative, most traditional people try and suppress anyone who is innovative by calling them names or by putting words in their mouth or assuming they live with no grace. To limit grace to a tradition or a Guru is to limit God. I have never been without Grace. I have 2 Guru's and love them both and learn from both of them. However, I experienced grace before I met both of them as I havenever been without Guru. Namaste, Kelly Jesse Arana <jessearana (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: Kelly, The difference between a student and a disciple is that the disciple lives in the grace of the guru, and the student keeps trying to make up their own religion. You mention names and appearances. Everyone is caught in names and appearances. But your ideas seems to be that it's mainly the people who accept that a living guru is a requirement for spiritual growth, are the only one's caught in the world of names and appearances. That is not the case. Everyone is caught in names and appearances. The difference between a student and a disciple is that the disciple recognizes that as their fundamental flaw, and becomes an open book for the names and forms given by the grace of the guru, because those names and forms purify the mindstream more quickly than self-centered speculations used to justify the students own opinions. Even Nisargadatta had a method in names and appearances, and he is the most radical non-dualist in recent times. The world is what it is. A true guru knows how to use name and appearance to liberate instead of bind. Jesse Arana (Kailash) www.meditationinfocus.com Kelly Leeper [blissnout ] Monday, October 27, 2003 10:33 PMSubject: Re: Difference between a student and a disciple Nandu, But who makes such distinction? To ponder whether the person is a student or disciple is a non issue and a matter of semantics. A student will also be an effective student if he has discipline, so what you call the aspirant makes no difference. Again, it's titles name and fame. There is no difference between the two. If discipling is the deciding factor, there is no difference. I've seen Guru's who are not disciplined and I've seen students more disciplined than the Guru. Names and appearance. If the Guru is wrapped up in titles and names, he wouldn't be the Guru for me. True learning is up to everyone whether they have a physical Guru or not. Lucky is the person who can see God in everything, poor is the man who cannot. Jai Maa! Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: I read...Difference between a student and a discipleA student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability to practice the teachings.A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no matter what.'In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.'The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated to all students and followers."I prayed...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 I am adding to this thread - this is what I read in 'As It is' by Lee Lozowick. Page 612,613. "In the late afternoon sesion Lee began by talking about what it means to be a good disciple. He said, "What's the difference between a good disciple and a disciple? There are a lot of specifics, but something general that we could say without getting into the whole psychological background, which most of you are probably more than familiar with anyway, is that the average person is satisfied to live in illusion. They have no interest in who they are. Even if they get a glimpse that they are not who they they think they are, they have no interest whatsoever in finding out more -none. As in the story about Shakyamuni Buddha, the average person doesnt have the slightest interest in discovering a resolve to the great problems of life. So then we could say on the positive side the disciple is interested in discovering reality and is completely antagonistic to remaining in illusion. Essentially that may be the primary difference. ..... When a master has a certain wish, the good disciple will want to align himself or herself with that wish. Often we dont do that; often in relationship to the master we assert what we imagine is our independence. In fact that is not independence at all- it is complete slavery. What we are assuming is independence is really a function of our habits , our psychological script, our neurosis. Often we will do things our way, assuming that the master will be pleased with the end result, but in many cases the end result is irrelevant. What is relevant is that we are resonant to the master's wish. In every group of students of every master, there are people who are very practical. Whenever they set out to accomplish something, they always set out to accomplish it the most efficient way, with the least use of resources, and get it done as professionally and as quickly as possible. But that often is not the point. THE POINT IS RESONANCE TO THE MASTER. It is more important to me that my students be resonant to my wish. I appreciate efficiency, but not when the efficiency is at the cost of resonance to me. "" Thank you Lee, Namaste. Jai Maa! ---- , "nandu_108" <n_mallan> wrote: > I read... > > Difference between a student and a disciple > > A student comes, takes some classes,and goes away. He may practice a > part of what he has learned and ignore the rest. He still has doubts > and fears regarding the teacher, the teachings, and his own ability > to practice the teachings. > > A disciple is he who has an organized mind and knows the value of his > time as well as the value of his teacher's time. He is determined to > undertake a practice, for he knows it is the practice that makes one > perfect. There is a silent understanding between teacher and > disciple: 'I will teach provided you practice.'—'I will practice no > matter what.' > > In this circumstance both teacher and disciple follow certain > disciplines.At a spiritual level the teacher makes himself available > whenever the disciple needs his help. The only thing the teacher asks > fromn the disciple is: 'Be disciplined.' > > The first step in disciplining yourselfis to overcome your > carelessness. To start and complete your practice, first you have to > organize your external and internal life. And you can do so only when > you are not careless. A vigilant person alone can make the best use > of his time and learn the art of how to be creative and productive. > According to the sages, carelessness is the mother of all sins. So > many times you do not want to make i mistake but due to carelessness, > you commit mistakes. Carelessness is a negative trait that resides in > the dark and dull corners of the mind. Unless you throw away this > trait you cannot discipline yourself, and unless you discipline > yourself, you cannot deserve to be a disciple. True wisdom is > imparted only to the disciples, whereas information is disseminated > to all students and followers." > > I prayed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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