Guest guest Posted October 29, 2003 Report Share Posted October 29, 2003 ?... Every question is sacred... However hateful, however small... Only when there is a question... Spoken or unspoken... There is need for union... In the body or in the mind... Only when there is a need... Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)... Sorry! for my 'idle banter'... P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated... I bow to HER within you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and didn't penetrate. Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the title, I read this. Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: ?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I obviously haven't experienced that state I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger. Pranams, Arjuna Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote: Nandu, Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and didn't penetrate. Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the title, I read this. Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: ?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 Words, words, words. Can somebody pass me the pipe? - Arjuna Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:47 PM Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note... Namaste Kellyji, I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I obviously haven't experienced that state I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger. Pranams, Arjuna Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote: Nandu, Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and didn't penetrate. Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the title, I read this. Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: ?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 As I understand it , Ramakrishna said that you could reach these states and choose to return to the body. Ardis Arjuna <arjunaacharya > Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:47:50 -0800 (PST) Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note... Namaste Kellyji, I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I obviously haven't experienced that state I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger. Pranams, Arjuna Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote: Nandu, Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and didn't penetrate. Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the title, I read this. Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste, Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: ?... Every question is sacred... However hateful, however small... Only when there is a question... Spoken or unspoken... There is need for union... In the body or in the mind... Only when there is a need... Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)... Sorry! for my 'idle banter'... P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated... I bow to HER within you... Terms of Service <> . Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears <http://launch./video/?1093432&fs=1&redirectURL=http://launch./promos/britneyspears/> Terms of Service <> . Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears <http://launch./video/?1093432&fs=1&redirectURL=http://launch./promos/britneyspears/> Sponsor Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Pass it to me next:) I could use it right now! mahamuni <mahamuni (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote: Words, words, words. Can somebody pass me the pipe? - Arjuna Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:47 PM Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note... Namaste Kellyji, I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I obviously haven't experienced that state I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger. Pranams, Arjuna Kelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote: Nandu, Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and didn't penetrate. Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the title, I read this. Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kelly nandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: ?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2003 Report Share Posted October 31, 2003 Exactly. But we always assume the person is better off for it. If one stays in the world afterwards, they may not know how to cope or they might. So many words with so very few people to talk about their experiences. My friend was found after about several days of being in that state but she came out of it. She claims she has been there a couple of times but it's not something you can just willfully go after experiencing it once. Thanks for the responses. Ardis Jackson <anandamama (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: As I understand it , Ramakrishna said that you could reach these states and choose to return to the body.Ardis Arjuna <arjunaacharya > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:47:50 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: ?(Kelly): a sincere note... Namaste Kellyji,I wonder when you say this person has been in nirvikalpa samadhi several times what you mean by your use of the term. There are a variety of trance states, samadhis if you will, but they are not nirvikalpa samadhi. Unless one is a jivanmukhti, and ishvarakoti, or an avatara, one does not return to the body from such a state according to what I have read. As I am writing this to you, I obviously haven't experienced that state I have seen many people make these claims. What my guru said was that if one reaches these states, even the lesser samadhis, one is forever changed. One becomes more loving, wiser, and stronger. Pranams,ArjunaKelly Leeper <blissnout > wrote: Nandu,Thanks for your follow up on this. I ask because people use the term loosly. I hear all sorts of opinions about it and in researching kundalini experiences one person mentioned there is a difference but didn't mention how. I asked my other Nandu and he said that one can have Nirvikalpi Samadhi and not be Liberated. I know a person who has been in Nirvikalpi Samadhi several times but she is the most grounded person, totally human and doesn't give the impression of being Liberated or wear the garb of a holy person. She is very unassuming and when people talk of Liberation I think of people going into samadhi whenever it strikes. So, my question is if a person goes into N.Samadhi does that mean they are Liberated? What happens if it only happens once and they live the rest of their life coping in the world, does that mean they are still Liberated from that one experience. To me Liberation would be samadhi happening all the time. Right now, I'm really interested in talking with people who have experienced Samadhi and know it and can be really honest about it without veiling their expereince. I'm also wondering about how many Guru's out there who have disciples that are Liberated. If a Guru has disciples that are liberated I want to meet that person. To me, it means they are a good teacher of their experience and they are 'getting through' to the disciple, they are being effective as a Guru in helping the disciple to Liberation. If the Guru dies without any disciple getting experiencing samadhi, something's ineffective and didn't penetrate.Please don't take any of this personally. My walk around the Guru block hasn't provided me with the answers to my questions, meaning not even my own diska Guru can answer these. My Satguru is no longer in a body, so it's not easy to get a straight answer. I think many on this chat room think I'm asking questions to poke or exploit and if they only knew the history they wouldn't assume so much. So, Nandu, if you, Nitya Ma, Gauri Ma, Sarada, Swami, Maa want to answer this, that is wonderful. I'm no longer visiting the chat room because too many devotee's are using it as a competitive tool or a weapon and it's no longer useful for me unless people can come from their heart. My nervous system is very sensitive. I told another devotee that if one finds themselves in the hyena den, they either bite back or leave. I hate biting back, so my decision is to leave the chat room for the most part, but since you put my name in the title, I read this.Thanks Nandu for addressing my question. Namaste,Kellynandu_108 <n_mallan > wrote: ?...Every question is sacred...However hateful, however small...Only when there is a question...Spoken or unspoken...There is need for union...In the body or in the mind...Only when there is a need...Will wisdom dawn or a Guru drawn(to you)...Sorry! for my 'idle banter'...P.S. why do you "believe" one can have CC and Nirvikalpi Samadhi without being Liberated...I bow to HER within you...To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . 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