Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 In the Chandi, in the first chapter, we learn that the king flees to the forest, in search or in flight, because his whole kingdom of good thoughts has been overrun by duraatmabhih (evil souls, or ministers)--and it is the 6 limitations of individual consciousness that are behind this takeover: 1. kama - desire 2. krodh - anger 3. labh - desire 4. moha - ignorance born of attachments 5. modha - foolishness 6. ? (I think matraya, or matsaya) - jealousy, envy These are called ripus, and they all travel together--you can't really separate them out, only for intellectual purposes--they are a pack; where there is one, there is another; there is only different focus at different times. The king flees to the refuge of the Intellect of Love (Medhas), where he finds dangerous animals living together in peace, and disciples there with the muni. These disciples are known in sanskrit as shishyo, which actually means mirrors. It's an interesting exercise, I think, to "reflect" on the difference between devotee (bhakta) and disciple (shishya). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 I might have already sent this, sorry for duplicity or duality or duplication or dhoop. So this gang of six is the six pack I am most familiar with. I have been drunk with each and each one of them. I still have a problem with the mirror metaphor. Disciples reflect the guru's but guru's drive away the disciples's darkness. So the disciple must be lit up inside...maybe that's where the guru is, n'est pas? Nityananda S. , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > In the Chandi, in the first chapter, we learn that the king flees to the forest, in > search or in flight, because his whole kingdom of good thoughts has been > overrun by duraatmabhih (evil souls, or ministers)--and it is the 6 limitations of > individual consciousness that are behind this takeover: > 1. kama - desire > 2. krodh - anger > 3. labh - desire > 4. moha - ignorance born of attachments > 5. modha - foolishness > 6. ? (I think matraya, or matsaya) - jealousy, envy > > These are called ripus, and they all travel together--you can't really separate > them out, only for intellectual purposes--they are a pack; where there is one, > there is another; there is only different focus at different times. > > The king flees to the refuge of the Intellect of Love (Medhas), where he > finds dangerous animals living together in peace, and disciples there with > the muni. > > These disciples are known in sanskrit as shishyo, which actually > means mirrors. It's an interesting exercise, I think, to "reflect" on > the difference between devotee (bhakta) and disciple (shishya). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Dear Nitya, In your longing and yearning and wanting to come closer and closer to God (your lovely post no 860 ), in your 'Rumi'nations - you are a devotee. In your 'reflections' on understanding Swamiji's works - your post on Aanubhaava, and this one on Ripus and Sishyos , you are a disciple. Ruminating Devotee Reflecting Disciple BTW, I think 6 is matsarya . Love Latha , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > In the Chandi, in the first chapter, we learn that the king flees to the forest, in > search or in flight, because his whole kingdom of good thoughts has been > overrun by duraatmabhih (evil souls, or ministers)--and it is the 6 limitations of > individual consciousness that are behind this takeover: > 1. kama - desire > 2. krodh - anger > 3. labh - desire > 4. moha - ignorance born of attachments > 5. modha - foolishness > 6. ? (I think matraya, or matsaya) - jealousy, envy > > These are called ripus, and they all travel together--you can't really separate > them out, only for intellectual purposes--they are a pack; where there is one, > there is another; there is only different focus at different times. > > The king flees to the refuge of the Intellect of Love (Medhas), where he > finds dangerous animals living together in peace, and disciples there with > the muni. > > These disciples are known in sanskrit as shishyo, which actually > means mirrors. It's an interesting exercise, I think, to "reflect" on > the difference between devotee (bhakta) and disciple (shishya). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 This was a great post. Have you ever noticed that sadhakas are also mirrors for eachother? What we don't like in another is somehow a reflection of what we disown. (shadow) And what we adore in another is apart of us we haven't fully manifested yet. When we can view eachother as sadhaka's and bhakta's with clean mirrors, everyone will love what they see. One thing my Guru says and I reflect on it often. It was a comment about disciples and the chaos or unity that comes in satsang. There are many animals in the San Diego Zoo. It takes all kinds of animals to make a zoo. The diversity is what makes it interesting otherwise it would be boring if all animals looked and acted the same. Same for devotee's. It takes all kinds of devotee's to make satsanga interesting. The key is to not take being called a monkey personally or making a lion better than a sheep. How sad it would be for the Monkey to wish he were a Lion for the sake of unity. Accepting all our mirrors and different aspects of the One is so very important but so easily forgotten. Namaste:) nitya_ma <nitya_ma > wrote: In the Chandi, in the first chapter, we learn that the king flees to the forest, in search or in flight, because his whole kingdom of good thoughts has been overrun by duraatmabhih (evil souls, or ministers)--and it is the 6 limitations of individual consciousness that are behind this takeover:1. kama - desire2. krodh - anger3. labh - desire4. moha - ignorance born of attachments5. modha - foolishness6. ? (I think matraya, or matsaya) - jealousy, envyThese are called ripus, and they all travel together--you can't really separate them out, only for intellectual purposes--they are a pack; where there is one,there is another; there is only different focus at different times.The king flees to the refuge of the Intellect of Love (Medhas), where hefinds dangerous animals living together in peace, and disciples there withthe muni.These disciples are known in sanskrit as shishyo, which actuallymeans mirrors. It's an interesting exercise, I think, to "reflect" onthe difference between devotee (bhakta) and disciple (shishya).To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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