Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Guru is our special spiritual teacher and guide to our authentic self without egotistic adornments. It saddens me that some individuals feel they must "keep secrets" from the guru--as if that were possible. Gurubai are part of a family the head of which is the guru..the gurus are our mother and father and only friend. Where would the world be without its gurus--Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Socrates, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Nityanananda, Jai Maa. This is definately an ideal of the perfect Guru family, but it's easy to get irritated when it appears otherwise. Here is what I've noticed amongst devotee's: Sibling Rivalry:) It's going to happen. Everyone wants Guru's attention to the point of creating a mess, a rukkus and scene, it doesn't matter. There are those disciples who will do exactly what he says at all costs on the flip side of the coin. It's definately a way to 'work through' these delicate dynamics that everyone has. They all want attention and love, just like kids and like kids, may do anything to get it, including lie. I'm usually the person that shouts, "Look Guru! there's a big white elephant in the living room!" and then everyone hisses at me, "there's no elephant in the room!" Then he smiles while the rest cast their snikering eye's:) Such drama! I always tell my Guru the truth to the point he's shocked:) It's kinda funny, but that's my nature. I hold nothing back and I'm not ashamed to be imperfect or to make a mistake. Those that fear imperfection, making a mistake or the ego tend to make a habit of holding back from the Guru. I think most Guru's would rather hear the truth than otherwise, even if the truth is less than perfect. But one thing,,,, even Sri Sarada Devi held things back from Ramakrishna because it would do no good. That was an eye opener, "Oh, SSDevi kept secrets from Ramakrishna" I think it was over food or who she fed or something like that:) Anyway, will write more but I'm at lunch. Jai Maa! Namaste, Kelly nityananda_saraswati <nityananda_saraswati > wrote: Guru is our special spiritual teacher and guide to our authentic self without egotistic adornments. It saddens me that some individuals feel they must "keep secrets" from the guru--as if that were possible.Gurubai are part of a family the head of which is the guru..the gurus are our mother and father and only friend. Where would the world be without its gurus--Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Socrates, etc.?To from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the efinately Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 A community will always have its dynamics . It is important to recognize the dynamics, but to remember that you are there for yourself, for your sadhana , to find out who you really are. The lines below are from a book that I am reading - 'As It is' by Lee Lozowick. Page 526,527. Lee Lozowick is giving a talk and he says "One of my students once said , 'The more you surrender to the guru, the less attention he gives you,' but what she wouldn't embrace was that getting attention from the guru is no longer the issue; you become so consumed with the Divine you dont care who gives you attention, because it is you giving attention to God that is consuming - that is the point. If Jesus Christ himself appeared in front of you and said, 'Darling', you'd be like 'I've got dishes to do, I 've got to go be with the children,' You'd be so consumed with the radiance of God pouring out of you that you couldnt be bothered with who was paying attention to you" I pray that , one day , we too are consumed by this outpouring of radiance from within ourselves. For those that already are, I bow to you. , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote: > > > Nityanananda, > > Jai Maa. This is definately an ideal of the perfect Guru family, but it's easy to get irritated when it appears otherwise. Here is what I've noticed amongst devotee's: > > Sibling Rivalry:) It's going to happen. Everyone wants Guru's attention to the point of creating a mess, a rukkus and scene, it doesn't matter. There are those disciples who will do exactly what he says at all costs on the flip side of the coin. It's definately a way to 'work through' these delicate dynamics that everyone has. They all want attention and love, just like kids and like kids, may do anything to get it, including lie. > > I'm usually the person that shouts, "Look Guru! there's a big white elephant in the living room!" and then everyone hisses at me, "there's no elephant in the room!" Then he smiles while the rest cast their snikering eye's:) Such drama! I always tell my Guru the truth to the point he's shocked:) It's kinda funny, but that's my nature. I hold nothing back and I'm not ashamed to be imperfect or to make a mistake. Those that fear imperfection, making a mistake or the ego tend to make a habit of holding back from the Guru. > > I think most Guru's would rather hear the truth than otherwise, even if the truth is less than perfect. But one thing,,,, even Sri Sarada Devi held things back from Ramakrishna because it would do no good. That was an eye opener, "Oh, SSDevi kept secrets from Ramakrishna" I think it was over food or who she fed or something like that:) > > Anyway, will write more but I'm at lunch. Jai Maa! Namaste, > > Kelly > > > nityananda_saraswati <nityananda_saraswati> wrote: Guru is our special spiritual teacher and guide to our authentic self > without egotistic adornments. It saddens me that some individuals > feel they must "keep secrets" from the guru--as if that were possible. > Gurubai are part of a family the head of which is the guru..the gurus > are our mother and father and only friend. Where would the world be > without its gurus--Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Socrates, etc.? > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > efinately > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Namaste. I liked what you pointed out, very much. It reminds me of RK and the idea of before and after dinner, before dinner everyone is loud and hungry, after dinner everyone is quiet and fulfilled and not worried about their food because they're fed. Jai Maa!Latha Nanda <lathananda > wrote: A community will always have its dynamics . It is important to recognize the dynamics, but to remember that you are there for yourself, for your sadhana , to find out who you really are.The lines below are from a book that I am reading - 'As It is' by Lee Lozowick. Page 526,527.Lee Lozowick is giving a talk and he says "One of my students once said , 'The more you surrender to the guru, the less attention he gives you,' but what she wouldn't embrace was that getting attention from the guru is no longer the issue; you become so consumed with the Divine you dont care who gives you attention, because it is you giving attention to God that is consuming - that is the point. If Jesus Christ himself appeared in front of you and said, 'Darling', you'd be like 'I've got dishes to do, I 've got to go be with the children,' You'd be so consumed with the radiance of God pouring out of you that you couldnt be bothered with who was paying attention to you"I pray that , one day , we too are consumed by this outpouring of radiance from within ourselves. For those that already are, I bow to you., Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote:> > > Nityanananda,> > Jai Maa. This is definately an ideal of the perfect Guru family, but it's easy to get irritated when it appears otherwise. Here is what I've noticed amongst devotee's:> > Sibling Rivalry:) It's going to happen. Everyone wants Guru's attention to the point of creating a mess, a rukkus and scene, it doesn't matter. There are those disciples who will do exactly what he says at all costs on the flip side of the coin. It's definately a way to 'work through' these delicate dynamics that everyone has. They all want attention and love, just like kids and like kids, may do anything to get it, including lie.> > I'm usually the person that shouts, "Look Guru! there's a big white elephant in the living room!" and then everyone hisses at me, "there's no elephant in the room!" Then he smiles while the rest cast their snikering eye's:) Such drama! I always tell my Guru the truth to the point he's shocked:) It's kinda funny, but that's my nature. I hold nothing back and I'm not ashamed to be imperfect or to make a mistake. Those that fear imperfection, making a mistake or the ego tend to make a habit of holding back from the Guru.> > I think most Guru's would rather hear the truth than otherwise, even if the truth is less than perfect. But one thing,,,, even Sri Sarada Devi held things back from Ramakrishna because it would do no good. That was an eye opener, "Oh, SSDevi kept secrets from Ramakrishna" I think it was over food or who she fed or something like that:)> > Anyway, will write more but I'm at lunch. Jai Maa! Namaste,> > Kelly> > > nityananda_saraswati <nityananda_saraswati> wrote: Guru is our special spiritual teacher and guide to our authentic self > without egotistic adornments. It saddens me that some individuals > feel they must "keep secrets" from the guru--as if that were possible.> Gurubai are part of a family the head of which is the guru..the gurus > are our mother and father and only friend. Where would the world be > without its gurus--Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Socrates, etc.?> > > > Sponsor> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > Your use of Groups is subject to the > > efinately > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuardTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Namaste Kelly, I guess one could say that the people who have surrendered and radiating love are so 'full of it' )) Alright , all you saints above, hope you can take a joke . No disrespect intended and all that jazz. Love Latha , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote: > Latha Nanda, > > Namaste. I liked what you pointed out, very much. It reminds me of RK and the idea of before and after dinner, before dinner everyone is loud and hungry, after dinner everyone is quiet and fulfilled and not worried about their food because they're fed. > > Jai Maa! > Latha Nanda <lathananda> wrote: > A community will always have its dynamics . It is important to > recognize the dynamics, but to remember that you are there for > yourself, for your sadhana , to find out who you really are. > > The lines below are from a book that I am reading - 'As It is' by Lee > Lozowick. Page 526,527. > > Lee Lozowick is giving a talk and he says > > "One of my students once said , 'The more you surrender to the guru, > the less attention he gives you,' but what she wouldn't embrace was > that getting attention from the guru is no longer the issue; you > become so consumed with the Divine you dont care who gives you > attention, because it is you giving attention to God that is > consuming - that is the point. If Jesus Christ himself appeared in > front of you and said, 'Darling', you'd be like 'I've got dishes to > do, I 've got to go be with the children,' You'd be so consumed with > the radiance of God pouring out of you that you couldnt be bothered > with who was paying attention to you" > > I pray that , one day , we too are consumed by this outpouring of > radiance from within ourselves. For those that already are, I bow to > you. > > > , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > wrote: > > > > > > Nityanananda, > > > > Jai Maa. This is definately an ideal of the perfect Guru family, > but it's easy to get irritated when it appears otherwise. Here is > what I've noticed amongst devotee's: > > > > Sibling Rivalry:) It's going to happen. Everyone wants Guru's > attention to the point of creating a mess, a rukkus and scene, it > doesn't matter. There are those disciples who will do exactly what > he says at all costs on the flip side of the coin. It's definately a > way to 'work through' these delicate dynamics that everyone has. > They all want attention and love, just like kids and like kids, may > do anything to get it, including lie. > > > > I'm usually the person that shouts, "Look Guru! there's a big > white elephant in the living room!" and then everyone hisses at > me, "there's no elephant in the room!" Then he smiles while the rest > cast their snikering eye's:) Such drama! I always tell my Guru the > truth to the point he's shocked:) It's kinda funny, but that's my > nature. I hold nothing back and I'm not ashamed to be imperfect or > to make a mistake. Those that fear imperfection, making a mistake or > the ego tend to make a habit of holding back from the Guru. > > > > I think most Guru's would rather hear the truth than otherwise, > even if the truth is less than perfect. But one thing,,,, even Sri > Sarada Devi held things back from Ramakrishna because it would do no > good. That was an eye opener, "Oh, SSDevi kept secrets from > Ramakrishna" I think it was over food or who she fed or something > like that:) > > > > Anyway, will write more but I'm at lunch. Jai Maa! Namaste, > > > > Kelly > > > > > > nityananda_saraswati <nityananda_saraswati> wrote: Guru is our > special spiritual teacher and guide to our authentic self > > without egotistic adornments. It saddens me that some individuals > > feel they must "keep secrets" from the guru--as if that were > possible. > > Gurubai are part of a family the head of which is the guru..the > gurus > > are our mother and father and only friend. Where would the world be > > without its gurus--Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Socrates, etc.? > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > efinately > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Dear Nityananda, I was thinking about your comment and it seems that you could understand this in various ways: 1) people are people and they make mistakes 2) people are self centered and they think they control their worlds at different times (if not always) 3) people are in De Nile 4) Vishnu fought with Too Much and Too little for 5000 YEARS and still couldn't defeat them 5) it takes the Goddess 700 VERSES with countless arrows and hundreds of other undescribeable weapons to slay the great Ego and his powerful army of thoughts... Sometimes you just don't do the "right" thing. And then you sit and watch the arrow of parabdha karma until it falls to the ground and pray that THIS time you can think before you act. , "nityananda_saraswati" <nityananda_saraswati> wrote: > Guru is our special spiritual teacher and guide to our authentic self > without egotistic adornments. It saddens me that some individuals > feel they must "keep secrets" from the guru--as if that were possible. > Gurubai are part of a family the head of which is the guru..the gurus > are our mother and father and only friend. Where would the world be > without its gurus--Moses, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Socrates, etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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