Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Ardis - that's a wonderful question. I once asked Maa this question "Maa, why do people say that You are the 'Mother of the Universe' ". She said " When you do Sadhana , you will know who I am ". Since then, I have stopped trying to understand her . I will try to understand Maa or Swamiji after I have undergone their austerities and Sadhana. Right now, I see them as people worthy of my respect and who can help get closer to where they are. I will follow their instructions , do my seva to them and will let them take it from there. Jai Maa !!! , Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> wrote: > It would be wonderful if everyone who has had Maa's darshan could write a > small description for us all to share. > > I imagine we all have our own response. > > One of my paradoxical responses is to see Maa as very delicate and ephemeral > and yet to feel her strength like the strength of steel. I see her full of > warmth and laughter; yet I also see her completely unattached. She is a > Mystery. > > Ardis > > "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> > > Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:53:59 -0000 > > Re: Ardis!!!! > > > Ardis, > > It's funny you think of Maa as coolness, the darkness of night, the > light of Chandra; I have always compared her with stepping out from > within the cool interior of a house into the sudden force of hot > summer sunlight, irresistable, enveloping, almost too strong to bear > at first. > > She is beautiful, isn't she? > > Chris > > > , Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> > wrote: > > Kelly, > > Thank you for your answer. I appreciate your thought and feelings. > > > > When I conceived my daughter, I had no connection to Hinduism at > all. I had > > never heard of Anandamayi Ma or any of the Mothers. I had heard of > Ananda, > > the close disciple of Buddha. > > The naming of my child was based totally on intuition. > > > > When Ananda was in high school in Madison, WI, I saw an article in > the paper > > that a woman saint from India was going to be arriving the next > day. Her > > name was Amrita Anandamayi Ma. > > Since her named included my daughter's name, we decided to go to > have > > darshan with her. This is the hugging Mother from Kerala, India > known to her > > disciples as Ammachi or Amma. The darshan was incredibly > powerful. It was > > her first trip to America. She spoke no English. And yet, when my > daughter > > reached her She held her in her arms and called out to the ocean > and spoke > > of dolphins and whales. My daughter's father is a marine biologist > and she > > is very fond of the ocean and its inhabitants. When I went up, I > had no > > idea what to expect. I found myself diving into her lap and > encircling her > > waist with my arms and sobbing my heart out. It was though she was > the > > mother I had never had; totally accepting and nourishing. I felt I > could > > stay there forever. She held me and then caressed me and said Ma, > Ma, Ma, > > Ma. Letting me know that I was a child and that it was OK to cry > out to > > Mother. > > > > Since then, I have had her darshan six or seven times (all in > California). > > I am never disappointed. Her heart is so huge. > > > > But Shree Maa is my Mother and my Guru. She is very different from > Ammachi. > > She is very private and very subtle. People compare her to the > cool light > > of the Moon and the Wisdom of Night. She is Awesome. Those who > think they > > know her usually don't. She is barely here. Her feet hardly touch > the > > ground. The fact that she is still here is a HUGE gift to humanity > and the > > Universe. When I used to sit at the fire with her and Swamiji and > all the > > devotees, I would tell her mentally that it was OK for her to go > away ( to > > enter the deepest meditation). I did this because I knew that it > was > > difficult for her to do anything, even a homa. The fact that she > doesn't > > stay in the highest samadhi all the time, but functions as a > teacher, > > pujarist, cook and seamstress is because she has made the > commitment to stay > > in the body and serve humanity and the Universe. Her trademarks are > > simplicity, honesty, humility and Devotion. When I think of her, I > think of > > selflessness, depth of meditation and pure love. > > > > I love you, Kelly and enjoy all your sharing. > > > > Ardis > > > > Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > > > Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) > > > > Ardis!!!! > > > > > > Ardis, > > > > I'm so sorry it took me this long to read this. I kept hitting > your email > > and it wouldn't open! I thought, well it's about manifestation and > wisdom > > of nature, I'll get back to that:) I had no idea it was to me. I > would > > have tried really hard to keep opening it. I'm glad I came back to > it. > > > > Thank you so much for sharing this. You are an inspiration to all > mothers > > and children who have gone thru similar situations. I too have > heard that > > babies don't always cry, but usually the parents are very aware or > the > > situation was a natural setting. The fact that you had a warm dark > > incubator was much better than a bright cold one. Also the fact > that you > > were small made the labor less painful for both child and mother to > some > > degree. Less pain, less trauma. > > > > The conception of your divine daughter was definately supposed to > happen for > > both of you. I'm sorry your husband couldn't stick around longer > to enjoy > > such beauty. But the fact that he made the conception a divine > experience > > and on purpose, conscious is to be commended. No doubt your > daughter is > > divine. You had never heard of Anandamayi Ma? Amazing! I love > these > > stories! > > > > Have you recieved darshan from ...uh oh.. I forgot her name.. > oops.. the Maa > > who holds everyone. Have you seen Her? I'm wondering what your > experience > > was to be held by a Divine Mother embodiment after having no one > hold you > > for 2 months? I think your experience would be interesting if you > haven't > > had her darshan. I have a friend who is a tibetan shaman who loves > this Maa > > who gives hugs and it healed alot of mother issues for her, the > shakti > > involved in the holding and the acceptance of being held really > moved her. > > > > So lucky to have your fathers faith in your aliveness during a time > when > > others gave up. Same for your doctor. Mothers nurture, and so > when a > > husband leaves and the nature of the relationship was nurturing, it > would be > > a huge abandonment. I'm really glad you have healed those trauma's > and so > > happy that you have men, Guru's and Mothers who support your > aliveness and > > divinity. I have noticed that my Guru will act out my father > issues and > > any Mother disciple can act out my mother issues, so it's amazing > to be made > > aware of our healing thru our Guru's. Actually as long as we are > trying to > > be more aware, Guru comes thru everyone if we can accept the gift. > > > > I'm very thankful for your sharing. You daughter is very lucky to > have a > > mother like you. And I'm sure many women would would LOVE it if > their > > husband acted with such awareness about conception. When I hear of > parents > > planning the conception of a divine child, it gives me chills. I > understand > > the importance of it. > > > > Jai Maa! Thank you! Namaste, > > Kelly > > > > Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> wrote: > > Thank you Kelly for sharing in such depth about the birth process. > > > > I became pregnant after seven years of prayer and meditation. Not > because I > > was not capable physically of conceiving, because my husband was > not ready > > emotionally or spiritually to become a father. When he finally was > ready, > > he prepared a place for me in the wilderness of Zion National Park, > a place > > he found sacred. He blindfolded me and lovingly led me to the > place. It > > was amazing. Incredible jagged mountain peaks, silvered by the > light of the > > full moon. The experience we shared was not sexual. We were > immersed in > > prayer and meditation. I conceived immediately. I prayed for a > pure soul. > > I prayed to Swamiji, although I had never met him on the physical > plane. > > Our daughter bears the name Ananda Mae, closest I could come > intuitively to > > Ananda Mayi. > > > > My whole pregnancy was a preparation for her birth. I meditated > for hours > > daily. I hiked and backpacked and ate a healthy diet. (All the > time > > teaching school full-time). I had to fight the medical > establishment to > > have a natural birth and to have my husband in the delivery room. > This was > > in 1969. I would have loved to have had a water birth, but > LeBoyer's work > > was not available at that time in my area. Ananda did not cry at > birth. > > She was totally awake and aware. Her lower lip trembled a little > until I > > started speaking to her; then she smiled. > > > > I have witnessed other births where the baby did not cry and seemed > > perfectly peaceful and aware and interested in their surroundings. > > > > I did not cry when I was born. I do not feel that it is such a > rare thing. > > I was two months premature. The doctor who delivered me was a very > > spiritual man. I only weighed 3 lbs. This was in 1940. I was put > in a > > totally dark, warm incubator. My father picked up mother's milk > for me from > > a woman's organization and delivered it to the hospital every day > after work > > for two months. They wouldn't let him hold me. My mother never > visited me. > > I wasn't even held by the nurses. The incubator had sleeves > through which > > the nurses could bottle feed me. They did not expect me to > survive. Only > > my doctor and my father believed that I would survive. I am very > grateful > > to them... two gentlemen from West Virginia. > > > > My husband left me and our daughter when she was 3 yrs old (after > 12 yrs of > > marriage). It brought up abandonment issues that went all the way > back to > > the incubator days and to childhood abuse by my mother. > > > > When I came to the Devi Mandir, it was hard for me to accept > Mother's love > > and discipline. It was much easier to relate to Swamiji who > reminded me of > > my loving, peaceful father (who I see as my first guru in this > lifetime). > > But with time I was able to see Maa's discipline as a form of > selfless love. > > Her music and her incredible deep meditative states and her > instruction all > > revealed Her Divinity. I feel grateful beyond measure for both of > them. > > > > Ardis > > > > Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > > > Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:27:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > Re: Manifestation and the wisdom of nature > > > > > > Parvati, Namaste:) Being a Rebirthing it's my divine calling to > educate > > even the Masters of the trauma's of birth. Please don't take this > > personally:) Your quote: > > > > A brief explanation: > > When the soul is born on earth its first _expression is a cry. Why > does it > > cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is all strange to > it. It > > finds itself in captivity. > > > > Is something any normal person would assume in witnessing a birth. > A person > > seeing birth thru the eye's of unconscious birth trauma feels that > the body > > is captivity. The very process of enlightenment and eventual > transmutation > > of the physical realm (siddhar path) heals this very perception. > It is not > > the truth of embodiment. Some souls, like mine, felt very sad to > be away > > from the bliss of unembodied consciousness, but at the same time > very > > excited to be of service to humanity in any way we could. I > remember the > > trauma of coming from 'Heaven' and I remember the trauma > of 'Birth'. These > > are conscious realizations and conscious memories that a person has > when > > going into the very depths of transformation and the transformation > of birth > > trauma into birth bliss. As spiritual aspirants, 99.9% want so > badly to > > believe 'captivity' is a bound or negative place, or to beleive > that the > > phsical is less than. Most spiritual aspirants, due to the very > nature of > > wanting God in the first place, embodied to assist humanity. The > > consciousness of embodiment was also a choice, but one realizes > this when > > they go thru Rebirthing or other sadhana, very deep places of > > transformation, the transformation that effects cell and dna > level's, > > consciousness on ALL LEVELS, not just the mental and emotional. > > > > Birth is traumatic because not very many know how to make birth > consciously > > blissful and humanity is learning slowly as Rebirthing becomes > prevalent, > > doula birthing, water birthing, natural birthing, midwivery, Pre > and Peri > > Natal Psychology which came prevalent at the time Rebirthing did - > it's all > > here to make parents conscious that they are giving birth to God. > Babies > > don't cry when they are birthed correctly with consciousness that > they are > > God. They learn to breath without having the cord cut > immediately. When > > the cord is cut, the infant looses it's 'source' and goes into > shock and > > then usually someone startles the baby by hitting them or a slap to > get them > > to cry. This is the reason for crying: "VIOLENCE". When more of > humanity > > gets eveolved enough to stop the violence, not cut the cord > immediately, to > > not turn the child upside down, or hit the child or probe the > childs throat, > > then we will have souls incarnating who understand truly what it > means to be > > emodied. The souls coming in now are very highly aware children > and the > > more parents who have conscious birth, the more enlightened > children we will > > have on the planet. > > > > The very idea that we are trapped is part of our problem and denial > system. > > It's our blame game to avoid accepting responsibilty for the divine > vehicle > > we truly inhabit. When the Masters pass the stories down the line > that are > > not truthful, I will point that out. Just because a Master > renounced the > > world or read all the scripture doesn't mean he's Mastered it. > Just because > > it's a belief, doesn't mean it's TRUE. Babies cry because it's done > > violently. Babies who don't cry are proving it to the world when > the > > Parents have enough love to Birth Consciously. > > > > Read Birth Without Violence by Fredrick Leboyer. A must have for > any > > Rebirther, Holotrophic Breathworker, Pre and Perinatal Psychologist > or > > Master. > > A rebirthers work is never done:) Too much birth trauma in the > world from > > all levels:) > > > > > > parvati_saraswati <parvati_saraswati> wrote: > > In CHAPTER 1 of the Chandi the Busines man and the King are > > discussing how even with wisdom and understanding they still feel > > pain and attachment. They ask the Rishi what is it that causes this > > ignorance? > > The Rishi replies in Verse 47-58. > > Briefly he tells them that the Supreme Goddess, the Great > Measurement > > of Consciousness, attracts the perceiving capapcity af all sensible > > beings with such force as to thrust them into the ignorance of > > egotistic attachment. She is the cause of Liberation of > Consciousness > > and She is the cause of the bondage of Consciousness to objects and > > their relationships. > > > > Recently I was reading the Way of Illumination by Hazrat Inayat Khan > > which seems to address this question. > > > > First a story: > > The soul was frightened when it was commanded to enter the body of > > clay; it was most unwilling not from pride, but from fear. The soul, > > whose nature is freedom, whose dwelling place is heaven, whose > > comfort it is to be free and to dwell in all spheres of existence, > > for that soul to dwell in a house of clay it was most terrifying. > > Then God asked the angels to play and sing and the ecstacy that was > > produced in the soul by hearing the music made the oule enter the > > body of clay where it became captive to death. > > The interpretation of this idea is that the soul which is pure > > intelligence and angelic in its being, had not the least interest in > > dwelling in the physical plane, which robs it of its freedom and > > makes it limited. But what interested the soul, and made it come > into > > the body, is what the physical world offers to the senses; and this > > produces such intoxication that it takes away for the moment the > > thought of heaven from the soul and so the soul becomes captive in > > the physical body. > > > > A brief explanation: > > When the soul is born on earth its first expression is a cry. Why > > does it cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is all > > strange to it. It finds itself in captivity. Every person, every > > object is new, and is something foreign to this soul, but soon the > > condition passes away. Soon the senses of the infant become > aquainted > > with the outer life which so continually attracts its attention. It > > first becomes interested in breathing the air of the world, then in > > hearing the sounds, and then in seeing the objects before it; then > in > > touching them, and then its taste develops. The more familiar the > > soul becomes with this physical world the more interested it > becomes; > > though sometimes it shows homesickness in its fits of crying that it > > so oftens has during infancy. It is not always that it is crying for > > things outside. No doubt, as it grows it longs for things itself, > but > > it often cries from the feeling of having been removed from a place > > which was more pleasant and comfortable, and having come to a > foreign > > land of which it knows so little. It is this which causes the infant > > to have fits of crying. > > The wisdom of nature is perfect; and there is no better > > vision of the spendour of the divine wisdom for the thinker than a > > child in its infancy. If the senses of an infant were developed as > > are the senses of a grown up person, it would lose its reason from > > the sudden pressure of the physical world falling instantly upon it. > > Its delicate senses would not have been able to stand the pressure > of > > so many various and intense functions of this world. How > marvellously > > the wisdom behind it works, the wisdom which is the evidence of the > > divine protector, Father, Mother, Creator, the support and > protection > > of all so that the senses of the child develop gradually as it > > becomes familiar with life. The more it knows the more its mind > > expands, and it cannot know more than the mind can grasp. So that in > > every way an infant is protected in both mind and body. > > > > > > Note: Shree Maa is one of the rare souls who did not cry at birth. > > She was completely established within her soul at birth and knew who > > she was. > > > > May Divine Mother bless us all with eternal remembrance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > <http://antispam./whatsnewfree> > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > <http://antispam./whatsnewfree> > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 The first time I took Maa's darshan, in the temple in Martinez in 1993, the following incident took place. I sat down on the floor next to her chair and said "I hear you are from Assam." She reached down and thumped me in the middle of my chest and said "I come from here." I asked her if she liked Napa (they were almost ready to move the temple to Napa). She told me about the Yoni Tree. She said "you're going to love it." Later in the evening she thanked me for coming to the temple. I was amazed at her beauty and her humility. It has taken me years to understand the first incident. Ardis "Latha Nanda" <lathananda > Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:27:37 -0000 Describing Maa !!! Ardis - that's a wonderful question. I once asked Maa this question "Maa, why do people say that You are the 'Mother of the Universe' ". She said " When you do Sadhana , you will know who I am ". Since then, I have stopped trying to understand her . I will try to understand Maa or Swamiji after I have undergone their austerities and Sadhana. Right now, I see them as people worthy of my respect and who can help get closer to where they are. I will follow their instructions , do my seva to them and will let them take it from there. Jai Maa !!! , Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> wrote: > It would be wonderful if everyone who has had Maa's darshan could write a > small description for us all to share. > > I imagine we all have our own response. > > One of my paradoxical responses is to see Maa as very delicate and ephemeral > and yet to feel her strength like the strength of steel. I see her full of > warmth and laughter; yet I also see her completely unattached. She is a > Mystery. > > Ardis > > "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> > > Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:53:59 -0000 > > Re: Ardis!!!! > > > Ardis, > > It's funny you think of Maa as coolness, the darkness of night, the > light of Chandra; I have always compared her with stepping out from > within the cool interior of a house into the sudden force of hot > summer sunlight, irresistable, enveloping, almost too strong to bear > at first. > > She is beautiful, isn't she? > > Chris > > > , Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> > wrote: > > Kelly, > > Thank you for your answer. I appreciate your thought and feelings. > > > > When I conceived my daughter, I had no connection to Hinduism at > all. I had > > never heard of Anandamayi Ma or any of the Mothers. I had heard of > Ananda, > > the close disciple of Buddha. > > The naming of my child was based totally on intuition. > > > > When Ananda was in high school in Madison, WI, I saw an article in > the paper > > that a woman saint from India was going to be arriving the next > day. Her > > name was Amrita Anandamayi Ma. > > Since her named included my daughter's name, we decided to go to > have > > darshan with her. This is the hugging Mother from Kerala, India > known to her > > disciples as Ammachi or Amma. The darshan was incredibly > powerful. It was > > her first trip to America. She spoke no English. And yet, when my > daughter > > reached her She held her in her arms and called out to the ocean > and spoke > > of dolphins and whales. My daughter's father is a marine biologist > and she > > is very fond of the ocean and its inhabitants. When I went up, I > had no > > idea what to expect. I found myself diving into her lap and > encircling her > > waist with my arms and sobbing my heart out. It was though she was > the > > mother I had never had; totally accepting and nourishing. I felt I > could > > stay there forever. She held me and then caressed me and said Ma, > Ma, Ma, > > Ma. Letting me know that I was a child and that it was OK to cry > out to > > Mother. > > > > Since then, I have had her darshan six or seven times (all in > California). > > I am never disappointed. Her heart is so huge. > > > > But Shree Maa is my Mother and my Guru. She is very different from > Ammachi. > > She is very private and very subtle. People compare her to the > cool light > > of the Moon and the Wisdom of Night. She is Awesome. Those who > think they > > know her usually don't. She is barely here. Her feet hardly touch > the > > ground. The fact that she is still here is a HUGE gift to humanity > and the > > Universe. When I used to sit at the fire with her and Swamiji and > all the > > devotees, I would tell her mentally that it was OK for her to go > away ( to > > enter the deepest meditation). I did this because I knew that it > was > > difficult for her to do anything, even a homa. The fact that she > doesn't > > stay in the highest samadhi all the time, but functions as a > teacher, > > pujarist, cook and seamstress is because she has made the > commitment to stay > > in the body and serve humanity and the Universe. Her trademarks are > > simplicity, honesty, humility and Devotion. When I think of her, I > think of > > selflessness, depth of meditation and pure love. > > > > I love you, Kelly and enjoy all your sharing. > > > > Ardis > > > > Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > > > Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:54:38 -0800 (PST) > > > > Ardis!!!! > > > > > > Ardis, > > > > I'm so sorry it took me this long to read this. I kept hitting > your email > > and it wouldn't open! I thought, well it's about manifestation and > wisdom > > of nature, I'll get back to that:) I had no idea it was to me. I > would > > have tried really hard to keep opening it. I'm glad I came back to > it. > > > > Thank you so much for sharing this. You are an inspiration to all > mothers > > and children who have gone thru similar situations. I too have > heard that > > babies don't always cry, but usually the parents are very aware or > the > > situation was a natural setting. The fact that you had a warm dark > > incubator was much better than a bright cold one. Also the fact > that you > > were small made the labor less painful for both child and mother to > some > > degree. Less pain, less trauma. > > > > The conception of your divine daughter was definately supposed to > happen for > > both of you. I'm sorry your husband couldn't stick around longer > to enjoy > > such beauty. But the fact that he made the conception a divine > experience > > and on purpose, conscious is to be commended. No doubt your > daughter is > > divine. You had never heard of Anandamayi Ma? Amazing! I love > these > > stories! > > > > Have you recieved darshan from ...uh oh.. I forgot her name.. > oops.. the Maa > > who holds everyone. Have you seen Her? I'm wondering what your > experience > > was to be held by a Divine Mother embodiment after having no one > hold you > > for 2 months? I think your experience would be interesting if you > haven't > > had her darshan. I have a friend who is a tibetan shaman who loves > this Maa > > who gives hugs and it healed alot of mother issues for her, the > shakti > > involved in the holding and the acceptance of being held really > moved her. > > > > So lucky to have your fathers faith in your aliveness during a time > when > > others gave up. Same for your doctor. Mothers nurture, and so > when a > > husband leaves and the nature of the relationship was nurturing, it > would be > > a huge abandonment. I'm really glad you have healed those trauma's > and so > > happy that you have men, Guru's and Mothers who support your > aliveness and > > divinity. I have noticed that my Guru will act out my father > issues and > > any Mother disciple can act out my mother issues, so it's amazing > to be made > > aware of our healing thru our Guru's. Actually as long as we are > trying to > > be more aware, Guru comes thru everyone if we can accept the gift. > > > > I'm very thankful for your sharing. You daughter is very lucky to > have a > > mother like you. And I'm sure many women would would LOVE it if > their > > husband acted with such awareness about conception. When I hear of > parents > > planning the conception of a divine child, it gives me chills. I > understand > > the importance of it. > > > > Jai Maa! Thank you! Namaste, > > Kelly > > > > Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> wrote: > > Thank you Kelly for sharing in such depth about the birth process. > > > > I became pregnant after seven years of prayer and meditation. Not > because I > > was not capable physically of conceiving, because my husband was > not ready > > emotionally or spiritually to become a father. When he finally was > ready, > > he prepared a place for me in the wilderness of Zion National Park, > a place > > he found sacred. He blindfolded me and lovingly led me to the > place. It > > was amazing. Incredible jagged mountain peaks, silvered by the > light of the > > full moon. The experience we shared was not sexual. We were > immersed in > > prayer and meditation. I conceived immediately. I prayed for a > pure soul. > > I prayed to Swamiji, although I had never met him on the physical > plane. > > Our daughter bears the name Ananda Mae, closest I could come > intuitively to > > Ananda Mayi. > > > > My whole pregnancy was a preparation for her birth. I meditated > for hours > > daily. I hiked and backpacked and ate a healthy diet. (All the > time > > teaching school full-time). I had to fight the medical > establishment to > > have a natural birth and to have my husband in the delivery room. > This was > > in 1969. I would have loved to have had a water birth, but > LeBoyer's work > > was not available at that time in my area. Ananda did not cry at > birth. > > She was totally awake and aware. Her lower lip trembled a little > until I > > started speaking to her; then she smiled. > > > > I have witnessed other births where the baby did not cry and seemed > > perfectly peaceful and aware and interested in their surroundings. > > > > I did not cry when I was born. I do not feel that it is such a > rare thing. > > I was two months premature. The doctor who delivered me was a very > > spiritual man. I only weighed 3 lbs. This was in 1940. I was put > in a > > totally dark, warm incubator. My father picked up mother's milk > for me from > > a woman's organization and delivered it to the hospital every day > after work > > for two months. They wouldn't let him hold me. My mother never > visited me. > > I wasn't even held by the nurses. The incubator had sleeves > through which > > the nurses could bottle feed me. They did not expect me to > survive. Only > > my doctor and my father believed that I would survive. I am very > grateful > > to them... two gentlemen from West Virginia. > > > > My husband left me and our daughter when she was 3 yrs old (after > 12 yrs of > > marriage). It brought up abandonment issues that went all the way > back to > > the incubator days and to childhood abuse by my mother. > > > > When I came to the Devi Mandir, it was hard for me to accept > Mother's love > > and discipline. It was much easier to relate to Swamiji who > reminded me of > > my loving, peaceful father (who I see as my first guru in this > lifetime). > > But with time I was able to see Maa's discipline as a form of > selfless love. > > Her music and her incredible deep meditative states and her > instruction all > > revealed Her Divinity. I feel grateful beyond measure for both of > them. > > > > Ardis > > > > Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > > > Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:27:52 -0800 (PST) > > > > Re: Manifestation and the wisdom of nature > > > > > > Parvati, Namaste:) Being a Rebirthing it's my divine calling to > educate > > even the Masters of the trauma's of birth. Please don't take this > > personally:) Your quote: > > > > A brief explanation: > > When the soul is born on earth its first _expression is a cry. Why > does it > > cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is all strange to > it. It > > finds itself in captivity. > > > > Is something any normal person would assume in witnessing a birth. > A person > > seeing birth thru the eye's of unconscious birth trauma feels that > the body > > is captivity. The very process of enlightenment and eventual > transmutation > > of the physical realm (siddhar path) heals this very perception. > It is not > > the truth of embodiment. Some souls, like mine, felt very sad to > be away > > from the bliss of unembodied consciousness, but at the same time > very > > excited to be of service to humanity in any way we could. I > remember the > > trauma of coming from 'Heaven' and I remember the trauma > of 'Birth'. These > > are conscious realizations and conscious memories that a person has > when > > going into the very depths of transformation and the transformation > of birth > > trauma into birth bliss. As spiritual aspirants, 99.9% want so > badly to > > believe 'captivity' is a bound or negative place, or to beleive > that the > > phsical is less than. Most spiritual aspirants, due to the very > nature of > > wanting God in the first place, embodied to assist humanity. The > > consciousness of embodiment was also a choice, but one realizes > this when > > they go thru Rebirthing or other sadhana, very deep places of > > transformation, the transformation that effects cell and dna > level's, > > consciousness on ALL LEVELS, not just the mental and emotional. > > > > Birth is traumatic because not very many know how to make birth > consciously > > blissful and humanity is learning slowly as Rebirthing becomes > prevalent, > > doula birthing, water birthing, natural birthing, midwivery, Pre > and Peri > > Natal Psychology which came prevalent at the time Rebirthing did - > it's all > > here to make parents conscious that they are giving birth to God. > Babies > > don't cry when they are birthed correctly with consciousness that > they are > > God. They learn to breath without having the cord cut > immediately. When > > the cord is cut, the infant looses it's 'source' and goes into > shock and > > then usually someone startles the baby by hitting them or a slap to > get them > > to cry. This is the reason for crying: "VIOLENCE". When more of > humanity > > gets eveolved enough to stop the violence, not cut the cord > immediately, to > > not turn the child upside down, or hit the child or probe the > childs throat, > > then we will have souls incarnating who understand truly what it > means to be > > emodied. The souls coming in now are very highly aware children > and the > > more parents who have conscious birth, the more enlightened > children we will > > have on the planet. > > > > The very idea that we are trapped is part of our problem and denial > system. > > It's our blame game to avoid accepting responsibilty for the divine > vehicle > > we truly inhabit. When the Masters pass the stories down the line > that are > > not truthful, I will point that out. Just because a Master > renounced the > > world or read all the scripture doesn't mean he's Mastered it. > Just because > > it's a belief, doesn't mean it's TRUE. Babies cry because it's done > > violently. Babies who don't cry are proving it to the world when > the > > Parents have enough love to Birth Consciously. > > > > Read Birth Without Violence by Fredrick Leboyer. A must have for > any > > Rebirther, Holotrophic Breathworker, Pre and Perinatal Psychologist > or > > Master. > > A rebirthers work is never done:) Too much birth trauma in the > world from > > all levels:) > > > > > > parvati_saraswati <parvati_saraswati> wrote: > > In CHAPTER 1 of the Chandi the Busines man and the King are > > discussing how even with wisdom and understanding they still feel > > pain and attachment. They ask the Rishi what is it that causes this > > ignorance? > > The Rishi replies in Verse 47-58. > > Briefly he tells them that the Supreme Goddess, the Great > Measurement > > of Consciousness, attracts the perceiving capapcity af all sensible > > beings with such force as to thrust them into the ignorance of > > egotistic attachment. She is the cause of Liberation of > Consciousness > > and She is the cause of the bondage of Consciousness to objects and > > their relationships. > > > > Recently I was reading the Way of Illumination by Hazrat Inayat Khan > > which seems to address this question. > > > > First a story: > > The soul was frightened when it was commanded to enter the body of > > clay; it was most unwilling not from pride, but from fear. The soul, > > whose nature is freedom, whose dwelling place is heaven, whose > > comfort it is to be free and to dwell in all spheres of existence, > > for that soul to dwell in a house of clay it was most terrifying. > > Then God asked the angels to play and sing and the ecstacy that was > > produced in the soul by hearing the music made the oule enter the > > body of clay where it became captive to death. > > The interpretation of this idea is that the soul which is pure > > intelligence and angelic in its being, had not the least interest in > > dwelling in the physical plane, which robs it of its freedom and > > makes it limited. But what interested the soul, and made it come > into > > the body, is what the physical world offers to the senses; and this > > produces such intoxication that it takes away for the moment the > > thought of heaven from the soul and so the soul becomes captive in > > the physical body. > > > > A brief explanation: > > When the soul is born on earth its first expression is a cry. Why > > does it cry? Because it finds itself in a new place which is all > > strange to it. It finds itself in captivity. Every person, every > > object is new, and is something foreign to this soul, but soon the > > condition passes away. Soon the senses of the infant become > aquainted > > with the outer life which so continually attracts its attention. It > > first becomes interested in breathing the air of the world, then in > > hearing the sounds, and then in seeing the objects before it; then > in > > touching them, and then its taste develops. The more familiar the > > soul becomes with this physical world the more interested it > becomes; > > though sometimes it shows homesickness in its fits of crying that it > > so oftens has during infancy. It is not always that it is crying for > > things outside. No doubt, as it grows it longs for things itself, > but > > it often cries from the feeling of having been removed from a place > > which was more pleasant and comfortable, and having come to a > foreign > > land of which it knows so little. It is this which causes the infant > > to have fits of crying. > > The wisdom of nature is perfect; and there is no better > > vision of the spendour of the divine wisdom for the thinker than a > > child in its infancy. If the senses of an infant were developed as > > are the senses of a grown up person, it would lose its reason from > > the sudden pressure of the physical world falling instantly upon it. > > Its delicate senses would not have been able to stand the pressure > of > > so many various and intense functions of this world. How > marvellously > > the wisdom behind it works, the wisdom which is the evidence of the > > divine protector, Father, Mother, Creator, the support and > protection > > of all so that the senses of the child develop gradually as it > > becomes familiar with life. The more it knows the more its mind > > expands, and it cannot know more than the mind can grasp. So that in > > every way an infant is protected in both mind and body. > > > > > > Note: Shree Maa is one of the rare souls who did not cry at birth. > > She was completely established within her soul at birth and knew who > > she was. > > > > May Divine Mother bless us all with eternal remembrance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > <http://antispam./whatsnewfree> > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > <http://antispam./whatsnewfree> > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > <> . > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Terms of Service > <> . Sponsor Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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