Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Namaste Kamala, I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" again and came across the section where he talks about seeing the Blue Dot. Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the Blue Dot? Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Namaste Astraea, Whats the blue dot? Love Latha , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> wrote: > Namaste Kamala, > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" again > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the Blue Dot. > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the Blue Dot? > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2003 Report Share Posted November 25, 2003 Namaste Latha, I don't know if I'll get blasted for this here or not. Despite the fact that in Siddha Yoga we were encouraged to openly talk about our "paranormal" experiences, I only talked privately about the "blue dot" with one other SY devotee. This was about 9 or 10 years ago. As an example,while I was doing sewing seva at the South Fallsburg, NY Siddha Yoga ashram, the topic of the Oakland SY center came up. The Oakland SY Center was Swami Muktananda's favorite SY center/ashram in the US. While I was visiting San Francisco in 1987, I stopped in to see the Bhagawan Nityananda shrine. I took two dozen gorgeous roses and had the shrine all to myself when I got there. I did a dunda pranam before the Murti and when I sat up, I was hit in the chest with a bolt of energy in the middle of the chest (heart chakra). I was overwhelmed by a feeling of bliss: it was delicious and I felt that Bhagawan Nityananda had blessed me. (This was very similar to my experience when I first met Gurumayi in NY, but even more powerful. Then I felt the energy hit my heart area and radiate outward, but it was not accompanied by bliss.) So I'm telling this story to another SY devotee (from the Bay area) and she says to me, "You need to tell this story so that other people know how powerful the Oakland Bhagawan Nityananda's murti is." As a footnote, I have felt a connection with & love for Lord Ganesh for many years (more than any other Hindu deity). I just recently found out that Bhagawan Nityananda (died in 1961) was considered an embodiment/incarnation of Lord Ganesh!!! Getting back to the blue dot, Bhagawan Das mentioned the blue dot in his book and wrote that even Jerry Gracia (Grateful Dead) saw it and it was the source for his creativity & songwriting. The blue dot appeared in front of me (while I was watching TV) about two years after I was initiated into Siddha Yoga. I've been seeing the blue dot (in its various manifestations) for about sixteen years now. People don't like to talk about it. I don't have any "attainments" that I know of! And I don't know what it really means (if anything of spiritual significance). I do know that Western occultists consider the etheric light to be blue. The Hindus consider the Akashic light to be blue. I don't see it as often as I used to and it's changed in character over the years. What reminded me of it (besides the Bhagawan Dass book) was that I saw it again last week while I was washing dishes. I don't have any control over it. So are we allowed to talk about this? What does it mean? If anyone else has experienced this, please email me off-list. Thank you. Astraea , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Namaste Astraea, > > Whats the blue dot? > > Love > Latha > > > , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> > wrote: > > Namaste Kamala, > > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" > again > > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the Blue > Dot. > > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the Blue > Dot? > > > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Dear Astraea, In your understanding of this, first, what is it about this that would make you wonder if people at the Devi mandir shouldn't openly discuss ? Is there something that seems forbidden? and second, what did you want to share, can you say? It sounds like something impressed you that you read. Mostly, though, Shree Maa and Swamiji often advise that it's not generally a good practice to share one's own spiritual experiences openly, as something sacred that was given to you might be lost in the telling. Discrimination seems a good way to go with most things, especially like this; our tradition is devotional, but it's also about knowledge. Do you think there is something here, though that you might want to share in a general way? Nitya , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> wrote: > Namaste Kamala, > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" again > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the Blue Dot. > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the Blue Dot? > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Namaste Astraea, IMO, if your experience has helped you grow in some way that is what counts. If your sharing helps even one person, even if that person is yourself, that is what counts. Thank you for your willingness to share. As you mention your affection for Lord Ganesh, I hope you get a chance to check out "The highest meaning of Lord Ganesh" - the Ganesh Atharvasirsham in the Ganesh Puja book. I am sure you will love it. With love, Latha , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> wrote: > Namaste Latha, > I don't know if I'll get blasted for this here or not. > Despite the fact that in Siddha Yoga we were encouraged to openly > talk about our "paranormal" experiences, I only talked privately > about the "blue dot" with one other SY devotee. This was about 9 or > 10 years ago. > > As an example,while I was doing sewing seva at the South Fallsburg, > NY Siddha Yoga ashram, the topic of the Oakland SY center came up. > The Oakland SY Center was Swami Muktananda's favorite SY > center/ashram in the US. While I was visiting San Francisco in 1987, > I stopped in to see the Bhagawan Nityananda shrine. I took two dozen > gorgeous roses and had the shrine all to myself when I got there. I > did a dunda pranam before the Murti and when I sat up, I was hit in > the chest with a bolt of energy in the middle of the chest (heart > chakra). I was overwhelmed by a feeling of bliss: it was delicious > and I felt that Bhagawan Nityananda had blessed me. (This was very > similar to my experience when I first met Gurumayi in NY, but even > more powerful. Then I felt the energy hit my heart area and radiate > outward, but it was not accompanied by bliss.) So I'm telling this > story to another SY devotee (from the Bay area) and she says to > me, "You need to tell this story so that other people know how > powerful the Oakland Bhagawan Nityananda's murti is." > > As a footnote, I have felt a connection with & love for Lord Ganesh > for many years (more than any other Hindu deity). I just recently > found out that Bhagawan Nityananda (died in 1961) was considered an > embodiment/incarnation of Lord Ganesh!!! > > Getting back to the blue dot, Bhagawan Das mentioned the blue dot in > his book and wrote that even Jerry Gracia (Grateful Dead) saw it and > it was the source for his creativity & songwriting. > > The blue dot appeared in front of me (while I was watching TV) about > two years after I was initiated into Siddha Yoga. I've been seeing > the blue dot (in its various manifestations) for about sixteen years > now. People don't like to talk about it. I don't have > any "attainments" that I know of! And I don't know what it really > means (if anything of spiritual significance). I do know that Western > occultists consider the etheric light to be blue. The Hindus consider > the Akashic light to be blue. > > I don't see it as often as I used to and it's changed in character > over the years. What reminded me of it (besides the Bhagawan Dass > book) was that I saw it again last week while I was washing dishes. I > don't have any control over it. > > So are we allowed to talk about this? What does it mean? If anyone > else has experienced this, please email me off-list. Thank you. > > Astraea > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > Namaste Astraea, > > > > Whats the blue dot? > > > > Love > > Latha > > > > > > , "astraea2003" > <astraea2003> > > wrote: > > > Namaste Kamala, > > > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" > > again > > > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the Blue > > Dot. > > > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the Blue > > Dot? > > > > > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Astraea, It will require someone more advanced than I to tell you with authority what the blue dot is, but I will share what I can. I used to experience something like what you have described near the beginning of my yoga practice. If it is the same, it is a beautiful scintillating blue, absolutely clear and pure, the color of the first stage of twilight, just after the sun has gone down, in a sky free of clouds. It is a circle surrounded by a gold or yellow border. Depending how concentrated and steady the mind is, the circle grows larger or smaller, and the border fluctuates in shape. It has been some years since I experienced this regularly. I now see it only rarely. Almost thirty years ago I was given an experience that I believe took place in the astral. That color of blue figured prominently in that experience. In the tradition of P. Yogananda, according to Swami Kriyananda, this blue dot is used as a focus for meditation. They visualize within it a five-pointed, white star. It is said that when the consciousness is absorbed in the star, samadhi results. Vishuddha chakra is sometimes (though Swami Satyananda of Bihar says it is described as dark grey, but often experienced as purple) depicted as a blue circle (of the hue I have described), surrounded by a yellow or gold border. As you may know, vishuddha is the chakra whose element is akasha, or ether. It is my belief that my experiences of the blue dot, because of the kind of breathing I was doing then, and some of my other practices then, was visualization of vishuddha chakra through ajna chakra. However, it could be an experience of anahata through ajna. I don't really know. Chris , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> wrote: > Namaste Nitya, > I was afraid I'd get blasted for openly discussing this because a lot > of people think it's a bad idea to share one's own spiritual > experiences openly. And yet, I love reading about other people's > spiritual experiences. It can confirm your own experiences or let you > glimpse experiences you haven't had. To me sharing one's own > spiritual or "paranormal" experiences is like sharing knowledge. > > I'm not sure what seeing the Blue Dot/Blue Pearl/Nila Bindu > experience means? I wanted to know if other people here have seen it. > (So far no one has admitted it to me.) That's interesting in itself. > > Astraea > > , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > > Dear Astraea, > > In your understanding of this, first, what is it about this that > would make you > > wonder if people at the Devi mandir shouldn't openly discuss ? Is > there > > something that seems forbidden? > > and second, what did you want to share, can you say? > > It sounds like something impressed you that you read. > > > > Mostly, though, Shree Maa and Swamiji often advise that it's not > generally > > a good practice to share one's own spiritual experiences openly, as > > something sacred that was given to you might be lost in the telling. > > Discrimination seems a good way to go with most things, especially > like this; > > our tradition is devotional, but it's also about knowledge. > > Do you think there is something here, though that you might want to > > share in a general way? > > Nitya > > > > > > , "astraea2003" > <astraea2003> > > wrote: > > > Namaste Kamala, > > > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" > again > > > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the Blue > Dot. > > > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the Blue > Dot? > > > > > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Hi, Not sure if I'm talikng about the same thing, but I've seen blue dots before also. They are like tiny, tiny bright blue points of light that flit around in my field of vision from time to time. This is different from seeing the pranamaya kosha which is like seeing many, many of these dots swirling about you at once. Anyone can see the pranamaya kosha under certain circumstances (more on this another time). Rather, the single nila-bindu seems to be sentient, almost playful. When you try to focus your gaze on it, it seems to playfully move out of your direct vision. I have seen it anywhere and anytime from doing my chanting, to driving, to being on the toilet, to even when I surf on certain websites. There doesn't seem to be any pattern to its appearance and there is no effect on me from seeing it rather than, "Wow, that was cool!" My own theory of the blue dots is that it is actually astral beings or otherwise who come to visit...somehow they get attracted to whatever you are doing and then they make their presence known. Either that or they are yogis who have the power of "anima" or becoming as small as an atom and going anywhere in the universe as they please. However, I throw this theory out because there is no reason why such yogis would want to visit me. Seriously. Anyway, the first theory that they are regular astral entities makes more sense to me because of two things. First, when my father was in the hospital for surgery and I was by his bedside, I saw many of these blue dots come around, one after the other. Also on All Souls Day, or Halloween, when the veil between the physical world and the astral world is the thinnest, I also saw many of the dots. Therefore, I can only hypothesize that the blue dots are astral beings, maybe ghosts, the recently deceased, or something else. I don't really know for sure, but I also just wanted to share. AUM Rolando , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Astraea, > > It will require someone more advanced than I to tell you with > authority what the blue dot is, but I will share what I can. > > I used to experience something like what you have described near the > beginning of my yoga practice. If it is the same, it is a beautiful > scintillating blue, absolutely clear and pure, the color of the first > stage of twilight, just after the sun has gone down, in a sky free of > clouds. It is a circle surrounded by a gold or yellow border. > Depending how concentrated and steady the mind is, the circle grows > larger or smaller, and the border fluctuates in shape. > > It has been some years since I experienced this regularly. I now see > it only rarely. Almost thirty years ago I was given an experience > that I believe took place in the astral. That color of blue figured > prominently in that experience. > > In the tradition of P. Yogananda, according to Swami Kriyananda, this > blue dot is used as a focus for meditation. They visualize within it > a five-pointed, white star. It is said that when the consciousness is > absorbed in the star, samadhi results. > > Vishuddha chakra is sometimes (though Swami Satyananda of Bihar says > it is described as dark grey, but often experienced as purple) > depicted as a blue circle (of the hue I have described), surrounded > by a yellow or gold border. As you may know, vishuddha is the chakra > whose element is akasha, or ether. > > It is my belief that my experiences of the blue dot, because of the > kind of breathing I was doing then, and some of my other practices > then, was visualization of vishuddha chakra through ajna chakra. > However, it could be an experience of anahata through ajna. I don't > really know. > > Chris > > > > , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> > wrote: > > Namaste Nitya, > > I was afraid I'd get blasted for openly discussing this because a > lot > > of people think it's a bad idea to share one's own spiritual > > experiences openly. And yet, I love reading about other people's > > spiritual experiences. It can confirm your own experiences or let > you > > glimpse experiences you haven't had. To me sharing one's own > > spiritual or "paranormal" experiences is like sharing knowledge. > > > > I'm not sure what seeing the Blue Dot/Blue Pearl/Nila Bindu > > experience means? I wanted to know if other people here have seen > it. > > (So far no one has admitted it to me.) That's interesting in itself. > > > > Astraea > > > > , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> > wrote: > > > Dear Astraea, > > > In your understanding of this, first, what is it about this that > > would make you > > > wonder if people at the Devi mandir shouldn't openly discuss ? Is > > there > > > something that seems forbidden? > > > and second, what did you want to share, can you say? > > > It sounds like something impressed you that you read. > > > > > > Mostly, though, Shree Maa and Swamiji often advise that it's not > > generally > > > a good practice to share one's own spiritual experiences openly, > as > > > something sacred that was given to you might be lost in the > telling. > > > Discrimination seems a good way to go with most things, > especially > > like this; > > > our tradition is devotional, but it's also about knowledge. > > > Do you think there is something here, though that you might want > to > > > share in a general way? > > > Nitya > > > > > > > > > , "astraea2003" > > <astraea2003> > > > wrote: > > > > Namaste Kamala, > > > > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are You?" > > again > > > > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the > Blue > > Dot. > > > > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the > Blue > > Dot? > > > > > > > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2003 Report Share Posted November 29, 2003 Dear Astraea, It is a free country and I am certainly in no position to blast anyone ) The Ganesh Atharvasirsham starts on Page 34 of the Ganesh Puja book. It is a very powerful piece of poetry and is chanted by some of the Devi Mandir family everyday. With best wishes, Latha , "astraea2003" <astraea2003> wrote: > Namaste Latha, > Thank you for not blasting me for bringing this topic up. > > I looked in my Ganesh puja book and could not find the "Highest > Meaning" page. What page is it one? Thank you. > > Astraea > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > Namaste Astraea, > > > > IMO, if your experience has helped you grow in some way that is > what > > counts. > > > > If your sharing helps even one person, even if that person is > > yourself, that is what counts. > > > > Thank you for your willingness to share. > > > > As you mention your affection for Lord Ganesh, I hope you get a > > chance to check out "The highest meaning of Lord Ganesh" - the > Ganesh > > Atharvasirsham in the Ganesh Puja book. I am sure you will love it. > > > > With love, > > Latha > > > > > > > > > > , "astraea2003" > <astraea2003> > > wrote: > > > Namaste Latha, > > > I don't know if I'll get blasted for this here or not. > > > Despite the fact that in Siddha Yoga we were encouraged to openly > > > talk about our "paranormal" experiences, I only talked privately > > > about the "blue dot" with one other SY devotee. This was about 9 > or > > > 10 years ago. > > > > > > As an example,while I was doing sewing seva at the South > Fallsburg, > > > NY Siddha Yoga ashram, the topic of the Oakland SY center came > up. > > > The Oakland SY Center was Swami Muktananda's favorite SY > > > center/ashram in the US. While I was visiting San Francisco in > > 1987, > > > I stopped in to see the Bhagawan Nityananda shrine. I took two > > dozen > > > gorgeous roses and had the shrine all to myself when I got there. > I > > > did a dunda pranam before the Murti and when I sat up, I was hit > in > > > the chest with a bolt of energy in the middle of the chest (heart > > > chakra). I was overwhelmed by a feeling of bliss: it was > delicious > > > and I felt that Bhagawan Nityananda had blessed me. (This was > very > > > similar to my experience when I first met Gurumayi in NY, but > even > > > more powerful. Then I felt the energy hit my heart area and > radiate > > > outward, but it was not accompanied by bliss.) So I'm telling > this > > > story to another SY devotee (from the Bay area) and she says to > > > me, "You need to tell this story so that other people know how > > > powerful the Oakland Bhagawan Nityananda's murti is." > > > > > > As a footnote, I have felt a connection with & love for Lord > Ganesh > > > for many years (more than any other Hindu deity). I just recently > > > found out that Bhagawan Nityananda (died in 1961) was considered > an > > > embodiment/incarnation of Lord Ganesh!!! > > > > > > Getting back to the blue dot, Bhagawan Das mentioned the blue dot > > in > > > his book and wrote that even Jerry Gracia (Grateful Dead) saw it > > and > > > it was the source for his creativity & songwriting. > > > > > > The blue dot appeared in front of me (while I was watching TV) > > about > > > two years after I was initiated into Siddha Yoga. I've been > seeing > > > the blue dot (in its various manifestations) for about sixteen > > years > > > now. People don't like to talk about it. I don't have > > > any "attainments" that I know of! And I don't know what it really > > > means (if anything of spiritual significance). I do know that > > Western > > > occultists consider the etheric light to be blue. The Hindus > > consider > > > the Akashic light to be blue. > > > > > > I don't see it as often as I used to and it's changed in > character > > > over the years. What reminded me of it (besides the Bhagawan Dass > > > book) was that I saw it again last week while I was washing > dishes. > > I > > > don't have any control over it. > > > > > > So are we allowed to talk about this? What does it mean? If > anyone > > > else has experienced this, please email me off-list. Thank you. > > > > > > Astraea > > > > > > , "Latha Nanda" > <lathananda> > > > wrote: > > > > Namaste Astraea, > > > > > > > > Whats the blue dot? > > > > > > > > Love > > > > Latha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astraea2003" > > > <astraea2003> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste Kamala, > > > > > I was looking at Bhagawan Dass' book, "It's Here Now, Are > You?" > > > > again > > > > > and came across the section where he talks about seeing the > > Blue > > > > Dot. > > > > > Are people at the Devi Mandir allowed to openly discuss the > > Blue > > > > Dot? > > > > > > > > > > Astraea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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