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I don't imagine that the many demonds such as too much and too little

take kindly to a new devotee starting out with the Chandi. Later on

as practice continues the demonds seem to get trimed back just a bit.

Years of effort has some impact, such as changes in one's perspective

and values.

 

 

, Kelly Leeper <blissnout>

wrote:

> All,

>

> I just signed on and boy do I love this topic.

>

> Well, I think the real question is, "Why do things happen to

practictioners?" not

> bad or good. We are so stuck on good and bad and devotion to Maa

makes good bad irrelevant in my book. When you are ready and willing

and begging for purification,

> She will deliver in the most of wise ways. We may not agree with

her at first and

> we may fight and yell at her, "why are you doing this to me??"

Hardly ever is it Her doing it to us.. It's our habits brought to

fruition quickly that stare at us in the face that causes supposed

misfortune. If we are attached to anything, She will show us by

taking it away. She is our Mother for Enlightenment. Why are we

attracted to Kali and Chandi, and for me Dhumavati, Chinnemasta and

Bhairavi? Because they are quick and swift. They waste no time.

Talk about efficent.

>

> I'm going to answer specific questions to what I think the answers

are. I am just revealing my pondering thoughts that have kept me up

at night. I am not quoting any scripture or any of that, just what

Ma has revealed to me. I'll type in italics:

>

> rudran2 <stechiekov> wrote:

>

> Praticioners still make mistakes while starting out. Later they

tend

> to become more savvy(calculating). With less errors, less

misfortune finds its way

> to them. I got caught in a huge market downturn and burned with

> countless milllions of other investors. Since then my best

investment

> of effort seems to be in daily pujas which over the course of time

> have become my greatest treasure. Practices bring solace. With it

> wounds can heal. It is my best medicine.

>

> ********************************************************

>

> Rudran - If one has devotion of course it's raw and will not appear

refined. It's the emotion behind the devotion that makes Ma turn Her

gaze to you. If you started doing worship and did it 'wrong' it

doesn't matter. She created the most perfect thing for you to focus

on Her. It was no mistake. Believe it or not, it was Her love. In

the beginning we are like a rock that has Masterpice waiting to be

revealed, but who can see it? Ma - she is the Cosmic artist. She

gives a huge blow with her chisle and starts the process of

perfection. You are supposed to be a raw rock, not a masterpeice in

the beginning. In the beginning of any refinement, drastic measures

are often taken in the beginning. It's all the process depending on

where the disciple is 'at' and depending on what the Masterpiece will

look like to Her in the end. She makes no mistakes. When She makes

you love her in a raw way, it's Her, not you. Funny how we think

it's 'us'.

>

>

> , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

> wrote:

> > Chris,

> >

> > That is a VERY good question.

> >

> > The only answer I can think of is an appeal to Her.

> >

> > I dont know if what I am doing is right or wrong or pleases You.

> > I dont know if I have the devotion or not.

> > I dont know if my motivations for doing the sadhana are pure

> > But YOU are the mother, and whatever happens is what you decide

is

> > the Prasad for my Sadhana.

> >

> > Latha

> >

> >

>

> **********************************************************

>

> Latha - I agree totally. I had no idea if I was pure or not in the

beginning. I prayed for purity of heart and being. I KNEW sexual

purity had NOTHING to do with real purity so that thought didn't even

cross my mind, so not knowing if we have devotion in the beginning

sometimes can be a non issue. When one is seized by Her, we are

seized. At the time, I would have never called it 'devotion'. I was

obsessed but I was not self reflecting on how good or bad or perfect

of a 'devotee' I was. I could have cared less. I just wanted Her.

Who cares about appearances.

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > Kelly,

> > >

> > > This is an intersesting topic to me. Why do bad things happen

to

> > some

> > > devotees/practitioners?

> > >

> > > It is a fact, I believe, that Divine Mother loves all of her

> > children

> > > equally, and we are all her children, even those performing the

> > most

> > > debased acts. Painful things certainly happen to these people.

>

> **********************************************************

>

> Painful things happen to ALL people. Why are we different? I

think this is the beginning of the Spiritual Ego.

>

> *********************************************************

> > >

> > > There are many stories of people being hurt by performing

> practices

> > > for which they were not prepared. These people are hurt by

these

> > > experiences. Why are they allowed to suffer? Perhaps they

lacked

> > true

> > > devotion, but I am not able to judge that. Perhaps they had

true

> > > devotion.

>

> ********************************************************

>

> I don't think a devotee or Guru should EVER judge a person or

sadhaka's devotion. It's like judging the Mask and not the light.

We will never know how much devotion a person has by how they hurt.

They may hurt for God and it may 'appear' odd to the more conditioned

devotee, but they may not be hurting at all. (good sex looks and

sounds painful too, but is it?) If they hurt because of an experience

what did they do and what did they beleive in? There is much to

analyse with this situation. Beleif WILL manifest on the path fast.

If our beliefs do not support the sadhana we are doing, then it will

shatter our beliefs. If we are not willing for the 'belief' to

transform and we hold on to it, the vessel will never be able to

contain the fire and will shatter the belief and that can feel like

Hell. Not very many devotee's know how to cross examine a belief.

Not all religious beliefs are conducive to enlightenment. Some

religous beliefs create entrapment, like cult dynamics,

> mind control and person control. control, control, control....

Most everyone on the planet is a control freak. How many learn to

LET GO? Most beliefs blind us because we NEVER questioned it.

Kundalni will transform all belief. Then you will KNOW. The process

is painful if the person doesn't have the mind to question beliefs

that were attched to decay and sabatog, all the undesireables in the

Chandi. Here's one: How many people I have witnessed for years who

have false modesty... many because they were taught to not accept

praise and to deflect it, reject it. Aren't they cute and sweet, How

modest, such a good girl! It was taught. Being real has nothing to

do with modesty. What did Vivekananda say, "Raise sheep and become

Lions" something like that. A true disciple is not worrying about

what the lion looks like or the sheep, they are too busy learning how

to be the king of their jungle, not learning how to baaah like a

sheep. We are not sheep. Yogi's are not sheep. We

> need to learn how to Roar and to feel worthy of the Roar. Not

fear it like a sheep for fear of what some conditioned devotee or

Guru will think of them. Be careful of conditions, they only pull

you into name and fame. Lions feel worthy of their roar and they

accept no conditions. Those are the paws we need to fill. One thing

I can say, sometimes Guru's have sleepy days and may not give the

best advice. Sometimes they give advice for sheep forgetting they are

speaking to little cubs. Lions don't let sheep think for them. Not

implying the Guru is a sheep. just sleepy on some days is all.

>

> Feels uncomfortable now doesn't it? Stretching never feels

comfortable. Staying a sheep does. Not implying anyone is a sheep

here, but we all know the sheep in ourselves and we all know it's

easy to stay one. But how easy is it to practice being a lion when

everyone wants us to be a sheep. Conditions and breaking them is

never easy. Painful sometimes.

>

>

>

> > >

> > > I have always thought it was the guidence and care of the guru

> that

> > > made the difference, but I don't know that for sure.

> > >

> > > Shree Maa tells a story about a sadhu doing an advanced

practice

> > > seated on a corpse who gets eaten by a tiger. Divine Mother

says

> he

> > > was eaten because he lacked pure devotion. I wonder how anyone

> > could

> > > undertake such a sadhana without having devotion? How pure is

> pure?

>

> *********************************************************

>

> Well, this is an area I firmly disagree. Who is Divine Mother in

this story? A person? It could be that it was Her will to liberate

him by Her manifesting as the Tiger so She could personally Liberate

him by chowing down on his Holy Flesh. Maa doesn't sabatog devotee's

for trying to reach her even if the devotion is soso or all the way.

Haven't you ever heard of the yogi seeing the tiger as Maa and going

into exstacy while being eaten alive becasue the yogi KNEW it was Her

and it was time for his liberation? I love those stories, talk about

devotion! 'Maaaaa' while being malled by a tiger. Good heavens.

> > >

> > > One who is fully surrendered, fully absorbed into the divine,

is

> > > certainly protected in every way, but what about the rest of us?

> > >

>

> **********************************************************

>

> Chris, I want to nicely ask: What is your belief? Here is where

Maa is questioning your belief. What do YOU know about YOUR belief?

Do you believe in eletism? Do you beleive in favoritism? Do you

beleive Maa loves some more than others? It's conditioning talking,

not truth. Just because someone acts fully surrendered wearing garb,

saying all the 'right' things doesn't mean they aren't putting on an

act. KNOW YOUR HEART and that is all that matters. If you are going

for it in your sadhana and if I remember you are doing quite well,

just know that is Her grace alone and you are 'not the rest of us'.

You are a LION! Start rehearsing your roar. Like little simba, and

then let the Divine Mother roar behind you like Mufasa to show you

how. Rely only on your connection to Maa. All else is transitory.

There is no one here who is the rest of us. You are all Her children

and your faith is tested when you beleive your devotion is null and

void or less than.

>

> ROOaaaaarrrr! I am going to make it in this lifetime! Even if She

has to destroy me to do it! Do not worry about screwing up. That

just prevents you from making a step forward, waiting in the wings

for your number. If you wait too long it will be your next

incarnation...

>

> The only real thing I'm getting at, is attitude. With the right

attitude you can do anything.

>

> Now, one more thing. If I read correctly, Maa's Guru is Sri

Ramakrishna. She didn't have a physical Guru to tell her what to do

and what not to do. This is a good example to follow. Rely on what

Kali is telling you directly thru your sadhana, dreams and

practices. Cling to your connection to Kali. Shree Maa is living

proof that one can do it without a physical Guru. She must have

intuitively felt what was right for her. You should also excersize

that ability. Intuitively do what is right for you. Do not be lead

by fear, intuition and fear are different things. We all have a

strong connection to Kali, Chandi and that is what we must rely on at

all costs. Even with my own Physcial guru, I will still do what is

intuitively right for me and he said it was the 'right' thing to do.

The nature of a Lion is to be alone or with a few of his kin. It's

the nature of sheep to eat grass all day with eachother bahing.

Baaaahhhhhhh. Baaaaaahhhhhh. Kind of hypnotic isn't it? Could

> put you to sleeeeeeeeeep.

>

> I'm passionate tonight. I love this topic and have been told I'm

arrogant for telling people to rise up and practice being

That/Lions. People would rather say I'm arrogant than try it. Oh

well. If Vivekananda can say it, I can repeat him!

>

> With love and alot of passion:) I just love this topic. Namste,

Kelly

>

>

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Kelly Leeper

<blissnout>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Balaravi,

> > > >

> > > > Enjoyed your post here. I have a question:

> > > >

> > > > If devotion is most important (and I think it's a huge

factor)

> > then

> > > Ma will protect the child when they chant the mantra. You

imply

> > that

> > > the chant is very powerful and it is certainly, but I also know

> the

> > > Divine Mother will not provide a mantra the child can't

handle.

> > All

> > > other beleifs are superstitous. To not do a mantra because a

> Guru

> > > didn't provide it is besides the point. Ma is the ultimate in

> Guru

> > > and if one is aligned to her, she will protect and bring to

> > fruition

> > > what the child can achieve thru the mantra or she will make the

> > child

> > > more interested in something else, like the world so they lose

> > > interest in chanting the mantra.

> > > >

> > > > It's all safe.

> > > >

> > > > I agree with your TV station reception. But I also think

some

> > TV's

> > > and Radio's have a better subwoffers speakers and and will

> provide

> > > more shakti when turned up loud:) When it's loud you best have

> the

> > > right channel otherwise it's scratchy to the ears and not

> pleasant

> > to

> > > listen to.

> > > >

> > > > The main issue about mantra's received from a Guru is not

that

> > > important if devotion is the main factor. If one has a Guru

and

> is

> > > alligned with Guru what mantra they chant whether it comes from

> > > elsewhere is fine. I received the mantra from a tantric adept

> who

> > > has been chanting it from childhood and so far, after reciting

> it,

> > > has brought me alot of comfort. Part of my sadhana is to

> > erradicate

> > > superstition from the Truth. They get so superimposed on

> eachother

> > > and then people blindly agree to beleive this stuff without

ever

> > > testing it themselves. I think if one is compelled to do a

> mantra,

> > > they should - That's Devotion!

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > Kelly

> > > >

> > > > balaravi <balaravi> wrote:

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > > I just came across lucid posting on

> pronounciation

> > > > which prompted me to join this group.

> > > > I would like to state a few points for you to

> > ponder.

> > > > Just like a radio or TV is to be properly tuned

> to

> > > > receive signals, a mantra is to be recited correctly for best

> > > > results, but as rightly pointed out in the posting each model

> of

> > > > TV,say Soni, Samsung etc. claim excellent reception.

Similarly

> > > > different people pronounce the same word in their own ways.

> This

> > > > applies to all languages!

> > > > Unlike broadcasts, Mata looks into the heart of

> > > > Sadhaka and not the pronounciation. So devotion is the most

> > > > important aspect.

> > > > Please, I repeat please do not start reciting

> > mantras

> > > > without getting it from a Guru who has practised it for long.

> > They

> > > > are like high voltage, you should protect yourself before

> > touching

> > > > them. Not that they are harmful, but we should be raised to a

> > level

> > > > to receive them. And there is ladder, you don't jump to the

> > highest

> > > > level. Step by step initiation is like going K-12 and is the

> BEST

> > > > WAY.

> > > > True Gurus do not part with Shodasi easily.

> > > > Most prevalent forms of Panchadasi & Shodasi are

> as

> > > > below

> > > >

> > > > ka e i la hrim

> > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim

> > > > sa ka la hrim

> > > > Panchadasi becomes Shodasi by adding SHRIM

> > > > Properly done you can enjoy bliss right here in the

> > midst

> > > > of misery

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes for Devi worship

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > balaravi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Kelly Leeper

> <blissnout>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Astraea,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is how Nandu teaches the Sodashi, Lalita mantra. Call

> me

> > > and

> > > > I will chant it

> > > > > for you over the phone and you can tape it. 949-493-1800.

> The

> > > > purple bija's are raised.

> > > > > The underlined is low. If you have a piano or harmonium it

> > goes

> > > > like this:

> > > > >

> > > > > Om srim hrim klim aim sow om hrim

> > > > > E flat E D flat E flat "" "" "" ""

> > > > >

> > > > > ka e i la hrim

> > > > > E flat E D flat D flat E flat

> > > > >

> > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim - all D flat in triplets if you

> > understand

> > > > music

> > > > >

> > > > > sa ka la hrim - All E Flat

> > > > >

> > > > > sow aim klim hrim shrim

> > > > > E flat E flat E flat D flat E flat

> > > > >

> > > > > When it come to certain mantra's I do them with

intonations.

> I

> > > > love this mantra.

> > > > > It comes from an tantric odiyya tradition and is the mantra

> for

> > > > the 3rd Goddess, Sodashi in the dasamahavidya's.

> > > > >

> > > > > Enjoy and call if you want me to chant it for you. You've

> been

> > > > initiated into Guru, no problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > > Kelly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Srinath Ram <srinath_atreya> wrote:

> > > > > Namasthe Astraea

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As Shree Pandith Tigunait has rightly said, there are many

> > > > versions

> > > > > of the Shri vidya mantra. The school of thought

[sampradaya]

> > that

> > > > > practices the mantra begining with "ka" is called "kaadi

> matha"

> > > > > or "kaadi vidya sampradaaya". Likewise there are "saadi"

(sa-

> > > > > aadi:begining with 'sa'), "haadi" etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > The mantra which you have quoted is

actually "shodashakari" -

> > the

> > > > 16

> > > > > syllabled mantra of the Divine Mother. Panchadashi is 15

> > > lettered.

> > > > > Both are also called as Shree chakra mantras as they are

the

> > main

> > > > > mantras for worshipping the shree chakram.

> > > > >

> > > > > The rules of Shree vidya prohibits even discussing the

> secrets

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > vidya in the presence of the uninitiated one. In such

cases,

> > one

> > > > can

> > > > > refer to the mantras indirectly. Normally, we say "moola"

> [the

> > > > > original/source]to mean the Shree vidya mantra.

> > > > >

> > > > > The vedic tradition is an oral tradition - mantras and

secret

> > > > > knowledge are taught by the Gurus to their desciples

orally,

> in

> > > > > secrecy and it is laid out that sacred mantras should not

be

> > > > written.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "astraea2003"

> > > > <astraea2003>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste Sarada,

> > > > > > I'm probably getting into things over my head, but I'm

> > curious.

> > > > > > In one commentary on the Lalita Sahasranama, it mentions

> the

> > > > > fifteen

> > > > > > syllable mantra, panchadashaksari, as the mantra of Sri

> > Chakra.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > According to Pandit Tigunait, there are many variations

of

> > the

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > Vidya mantra. These are the fifteen syllables he gives:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ka e i la hrim

> > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim

> > > > > > sa ka la hrim

> > > > > > shrim

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is the Sri Vidya mantra the same thing as the Sri Chakra

> > > mantra?

> > > > > > Is the term "panchadashaksari" simply a way to refer to

the

> > Sri

> > > > > > Chakra or Sri Vidya mantra without revealing the mantra?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astraea

> > > > >

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I don't imagine that the many demonds such as too much and too little

take kindly to a new devotee starting out with the Chandi. Later on

as practice continues the demonds seem to get trimed back just a bit.

Years of effort has some impact, such as changes in one's perspective

and values., Kelly Leeper

<blissnout> wrote:> All,> > I just signed on and boy do I love

this topic.> > Well, I think the real question is, "Why do things

happen to practictioners?" not> bad or good. We are so stuck on

good and bad and devotion to Maa makes good bad irrelevant in my

book. When you are ready and willing and begging for purification,>

She will deliver in the most of wise ways. We may not agree with her

at first

and> we may fight and yell at her, "why are you doing this to me??"

Hardly ever is it Her doing it to us.. It's our habits brought to

fruition quickly that stare at us in the face that causes supposed

misfortune. If we are attached to anything, She will show us by

taking it away. She is our Mother for Enlightenment. Why are we

attracted to Kali and Chandi, and for me Dhumavati, Chinnemasta and

Bhairavi? Because they are quick and swift. They waste no time.

Talk about efficent. > > I'm going to answer specific questions to

what I think the answers are. I am just revealing my pondering

thoughts that have kept me up at night. I am not quoting any

scripture or any of that, just what Ma has revealed to me. I'll type

in italics:> > rudran2 <stechiekov> wrote:> > Praticioners still

make mistakes while starting out. Later they

tend > to become more savvy(calculating). With less errors, less

misfortune finds its way > to them. I got caught in a huge market

downturn and burned with > countless milllions of other investors.

Since then my best investment > of effort seems to be in daily pujas

which over the course of time > have become my greatest treasure.

Practices bring solace. With it > wounds can heal. It is my best

medicine.> >

********************************************************> > Rudran -

If one has devotion of course it's raw and will not appear refined.

It's the emotion behind the devotion that makes Ma turn Her gaze to

you. If you started doing worship and did it 'wrong' it doesn't

matter. She created the most perfect thing for you to focus on Her.

It was no mistake. Believe it or not, it was Her love. In the

beginning we are like a rock that has Masterpice

waiting to be revealed, but who can see it? Ma - she is the Cosmic

artist. She gives a huge blow with her chisle and starts the process

of perfection. You are supposed to be a raw rock, not a masterpeice

in the beginning. In the beginning of any refinement, drastic

measures are often taken in the beginning. It's all the process

depending on where the disciple is 'at' and depending on what the

Masterpiece will look like to Her in the end. She makes no mistakes.

When She makes you love her in a raw way, it's Her, not you. Funny

how we think it's 'us'.> > > ,

"Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote:> > Chris,> > > > That is a

VERY good question.> > > > The only answer I can think of is an

appeal to Her.> > > > I dont know if what I am doing is right or

wrong or pleases You.

> > I dont know if I have the devotion or not.> > I dont know if my

motivations for doing the sadhana are pure> > But YOU are the mother,

and whatever happens is what you decide is > > the Prasad for my

Sadhana.> > > > Latha> > > > > >

**********************************************************> > Latha -

I agree totally. I had no idea if I was pure or not in the beginning.

I prayed for purity of heart and being. I KNEW sexual purity had

NOTHING to do with real purity so that thought didn't even cross my

mind, so not knowing if we have devotion in the beginning sometimes

can be a non issue. When one is seized by Her, we are seized. At

the time, I would have never called it 'devotion'. I was obsessed

but I was not self reflecting on how good or bad or perfect of a

'devotee' I was. I could have cared less.

I just wanted Her. Who cares about appearances.> > > > > > > > --- In

, "Chris Kirner" > > <chriskirner1956>

wrote:> > > Kelly,> > > > > > This is an intersesting topic to me. Why

do bad things happen to > > some > > > devotees/practitioners?> > > >

> > It is a fact, I believe, that Divine Mother loves all of her > >

children > > > equally, and we are all her children, even those

performing the > > most > > > debased acts. Painful things certainly

happen to these people.> >

**********************************************************> > Painful

things happen to ALL people. Why are we different? I think this is

the beginning of the Spiritual Ego.> >

*********************************************************> > > > > >

There are many stories of people being hurt by performing > practices

> > > for which they were not prepared. These people are hurt by these

> > > experiences. Why are they allowed to suffer? Perhaps they lacked

> > true > > > devotion, but I am not able to judge that. Perhaps they

had true > > > devotion.> >

********************************************************> > I don't

think a devotee or Guru should EVER judge a person or sadhaka's

devotion. It's like judging the Mask and not the light. We will

never know how much devotion a person has by how they hurt. They may

hurt for God and it may 'appear' odd to the more conditioned devotee,

but they may not be hurting at all. (good sex looks and sounds

painful too, but is it?) If they hurt

because of an experience what did they do and what did they beleive

in? There is much to analyse with this situation. Beleif WILL

manifest on the path fast. If our beliefs do not support the sadhana

we are doing, then it will shatter our beliefs. If we are not willing

for the 'belief' to transform and we hold on to it, the vessel will

never be able to contain the fire and will shatter the belief and

that can feel like Hell. Not very many devotee's know how to cross

examine a belief. Not all religious beliefs are conducive to

enlightenment. Some religous beliefs create entrapment, like cult

dynamics,> mind control and person control. control, control,

control.... Most everyone on the planet is a control freak. How many

learn to LET GO? Most beliefs blind us because we NEVER questioned

it. Kundalni will transform all belief. Then you will KNOW. The

process is painful if the person doesn't have the mind to question

beliefs that were attched to decay and sabatog, all the undesireables

in the Chandi. Here's one: How many people I have witnessed for years

who have false modesty... many because they were taught to not accept

praise and to deflect it, reject it. Aren't they cute and sweet, How

modest, such a good girl! It was taught. Being real has nothing to

do with modesty. What did Vivekananda say, "Raise sheep and become

Lions" something like that. A true disciple is not worrying about

what the lion looks like or the sheep, they are too busy learning how

to be the king of their jungle, not learning how to baaah like a

sheep. We are not sheep. Yogi's are not sheep. We> need to learn

how to Roar and to feel worthy of the Roar. Not fear it like a sheep

for fear of what some conditioned devotee or Guru

will think of them. Be careful of conditions, they only pull you into

name and fame. Lions feel worthy of their roar and they accept no

conditions. Those are the paws we need to fill. One thing I can

say, sometimes Guru's have sleepy days and may not give the best

advice. Sometimes they give advice for sheep forgetting they are

speaking to little cubs. Lions don't let sheep think for them. Not

implying the Guru is a sheep. just sleepy on some days is all.> >

Feels uncomfortable now doesn't it? Stretching never feels

comfortable. Staying a sheep does. Not implying anyone is a sheep

here, but we all know the sheep in ourselves and we all know it's

easy to stay one. But how easy is it to practice being a lion when

everyone wants us to be a sheep. Conditions and breaking them is

never easy. Painful sometimes.> > > > > >

> > > I have always thought it was the guidence and care of the guru >

that > > > made the difference, but I don't know that for sure. > > >

> > > Shree Maa tells a story about a sadhu doing an advanced

practice > > > seated on a corpse who gets eaten by a tiger. Divine

Mother says > he > > > was eaten because he lacked pure devotion. I

wonder how anyone > > could > > > undertake such a sadhana without

having devotion? How pure is > pure? > >

*********************************************************> > Well,

this is an area I firmly disagree. Who is Divine Mother in this

story? A person? It could be that it was Her will to liberate him

by Her manifesting as the Tiger so She could personally Liberate him

by chowing down on his Holy Flesh. Maa doesn't sabatog devotee's for

trying to reach

her even if the devotion is soso or all the way. Haven't you ever

heard of the yogi seeing the tiger as Maa and going into exstacy

while being eaten alive becasue the yogi KNEW it was Her and it was

time for his liberation? I love those stories, talk about devotion!

'Maaaaa' while being malled by a tiger. Good heavens.> > > > > > One

who is fully surrendered, fully absorbed into the divine, is > > >

certainly protected in every way, but what about the rest of us?> > >

> > **********************************************************> >

Chris, I want to nicely ask: What is your belief? Here is where Maa

is questioning your belief. What do YOU know about YOUR belief? Do

you believe in eletism? Do you beleive in favoritism? Do you

beleive Maa loves some more than others? It's conditioning talking,

not truth.

Just because someone acts fully surrendered wearing garb, saying all

the 'right' things doesn't mean they aren't putting on an act. KNOW

YOUR HEART and that is all that matters. If you are going for it in

your sadhana and if I remember you are doing quite well, just know

that is Her grace alone and you are 'not the rest of us'. You are a

LION! Start rehearsing your roar. Like little simba, and then let

the Divine Mother roar behind you like Mufasa to show you how. Rely

only on your connection to Maa. All else is transitory. There is no

one here who is the rest of us. You are all Her children and your

faith is tested when you beleive your devotion is null and void or

less than.> > ROOaaaaarrrr! I am going to make it in this lifetime!

Even if She has to destroy me to do it! Do not worry about screwing

up. That just prevents you from making a step

forward, waiting in the wings for your number. If you wait too long

it will be your next incarnation...> > The only real thing I'm

getting at, is attitude. With the right attitude you can do

anything. > > Now, one more thing. If I read correctly, Maa's Guru

is Sri Ramakrishna. She didn't have a physical Guru to tell her what

to do and what not to do. This is a good example to follow. Rely on

what Kali is telling you directly thru your sadhana, dreams and

practices. Cling to your connection to Kali. Shree Maa is living

proof that one can do it without a physical Guru. She must have

intuitively felt what was right for her. You should also excersize

that ability. Intuitively do what is right for you. Do not be lead

by fear, intuition and fear are different things. We all have a

strong connection to Kali, Chandi and that is what

we must rely on at all costs. Even with my own Physcial guru, I will

still do what is intuitively right for me and he said it was the

'right' thing to do. The nature of a Lion is to be alone or with a

few of his kin. It's the nature of sheep to eat grass all day with

eachother bahing. Baaaahhhhhhh. Baaaaaahhhhhh. Kind of hypnotic

isn't it? Could> put you to sleeeeeeeeeep.> > I'm passionate

tonight. I love this topic and have been told I'm arrogant for

telling people to rise up and practice being That/Lions. People

would rather say I'm arrogant than try it. Oh well. If

Vivekananda can say it, I can repeat him! > > With love and alot of

passion:) I just love this topic. Namste, Kelly> > > > > Chris> > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > >

wrote:> > > > Balaravi, > > > > > > > > Enjoyed your post here. I

have a question:> > > > > > > > If devotion is most important (and I

think it's a huge factor) > > then > > > Ma will protect the child

when they chant the mantra. You imply > > that > > > the chant is

very powerful and it is certainly, but I also know > the > > > Divine

Mother will not provide a mantra the child can't handle. > > All > >

> other beleifs are superstitous. To not do a mantra because a >

Guru > > > didn't provide it is besides the point. Ma is the

ultimate in > Guru > > > and if one is aligned to her, she will

protect and bring to > > fruition

> > > what the child can achieve thru the mantra or she will make the

> > child > > > more interested in something else, like the world so

they lose > > > interest in chanting the mantra.> > > > > > > > It's

all safe. > > > > > > > > I agree with your TV station reception.

But I also think some > > TV's > > > and Radio's have a better

subwoffers speakers and and will > provide > > > more shakti when

turned up loud:) When it's loud you best have > the > > > right

channel otherwise it's scratchy to the ears and not > pleasant > > to

> > > listen to.> > > > > > > > The main issue about mantra's

received from a Guru is not that > > > important if devotion is the

main factor. If one has a

Guru and > is > > > alligned with Guru what mantra they chant whether

it comes from > > > elsewhere is fine. I received the mantra from a

tantric adept > who > > > has been chanting it from childhood and so

far, after reciting > it, > > > has brought me alot of comfort. Part

of my sadhana is to > > erradicate > > > superstition from the Truth.

They get so superimposed on > eachother > > > and then people blindly

agree to beleive this stuff without ever > > > testing it themselves.

I think if one is compelled to do a > mantra, > > > they should -

That's Devotion!> > > > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > > Kelly> > > > > > > >

balaravi <balaravi> wrote:> > > > Dear Members,> > >

> I just came across lucid posting on > pronounciation >

> > > which prompted me to join this group.> > > > I

would like to state a few points for you to > > ponder.> > > >

Just like a radio or TV is to be properly tuned > to > > > >

receive signals, a mantra is to be recited correctly for best > > > >

results, but as rightly pointed out in the posting each model > of > >

> > TV,say Soni, Samsung etc. claim excellent reception. Similarly > >

> > different people pronounce the same word in their own ways. > This

> > > > applies to all languages!> >

> > Unlike broadcasts, Mata looks into the heart of > >

> > Sadhaka and not the pronounciation. So devotion is the most > > >

> important aspect.> > > > Please, I repeat please do

not start reciting > > mantras > > > > without getting it from a Guru

who has practised it for long. > > They > > > > are like high voltage,

you should protect yourself before > > touching > > > > them. Not that

they are harmful, but we should be raised to a > > level > > > > to

receive them. And there is ladder, you don't jump to the > > highest

> > > > level. Step by step initiation is like going K-12 and is the

> BEST > > > >

WAY.> > > > True Gurus do not part with Shodasi easily.>

> > > Most prevalent forms of Panchadasi & Shodasi are >

as > > > > below> > > > > > > > ka e i la hrim> > > > ha

sa ka ha la hrim> > > > sa ka la hrim> > > > Panchadasi becomes

Shodasi by adding SHRIM> > > > Properly done you can enjoy

bliss right here in the > > midst > > > > of misery> > > > > > > > >

> > > Best wishes for Devi worship> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > balaravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, Kelly Leeper > <blissnout> > > > >

wrote:> > > > > Astraea,> > > > > > > > > > This is how Nandu

teaches the Sodashi, Lalita mantra. Call > me > > > and > > > > I

will chant it > > > > > for you over the phone and you can tape it.

949-493-1800. > The > > > > purple bija's are raised.> > > > > The

underlined is low. If you have a piano or harmonium it > > goes > >

> > like this: >

> > > > > > > > > Om srim hrim klim aim sow om hrim> >

> > > E flat E D flat E flat "" "" "" ""> > >

> > > > > > > ka e i la hrim> > > > > E flat

E D flat D flat E flat> > > > > > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim

- all D flat in triplets if you > > understand > > > > music> > > >

> > > > > > sa ka

la hrim - All E Flat> > > > > > > > > > sow aim klim

hrim shrim> > > > > E flat E flat E flat D flat E

flat> > > > > > > > > > When it come to certain mantra's I do them

with intonations. > I > > > > love this mantra. > > > > > It comes

from an tantric odiyya tradition and is the mantra > for > > > > the

3rd Goddess, Sodashi in the dasamahavidya's.> > > > > > > > > >

Enjoy and call if you want me to chant it for you. You've > been > >

> > initiated into Guru, no problem.> > > >

> > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > > > Kelly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Srinath Ram <srinath_atreya> wrote:> > > > > Namasthe Astraea> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shree Pandith Tigunait has rightly said,

there are many > > > > versions > > > > > of the Shri vidya mantra.

The school of thought [sampradaya] > > that > > > > > practices the

mantra begining with "ka" is called "kaadi > matha" > > > > > or

"kaadi vidya sampradaaya". Likewise there are "saadi" (sa-> > > > >

aadi:begining with 'sa'), "haadi" etc. > > > > > > > > > > The mantra

which you have quoted is actually "shodashakari" - > > the > > > > 16

>

> > > > syllabled mantra of the Divine Mother. Panchadashi is 15 > > >

lettered. > > > > > Both are also called as Shree chakra mantras as

they are the > > main > > > > > mantras for worshipping the shree

chakram.> > > > > > > > > > The rules of Shree vidya prohibits even

discussing the > secrets > > of > > > > the > > > > > vidya in the

presence of the uninitiated one. In such cases, > > one > > > > can >

> > > > refer to the mantras indirectly. Normally, we say "moola" >

[the > > > > > original/source]to mean the Shree vidya mantra.> > > >

> > > > > > The vedic tradition is an oral tradition - mantras and

secret > > > > > knowledge are taught by the Gurus to their desciples

orally, > in > > > > > secrecy and it is laid out that sacred mantras

should not be > > > > written.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "astraea2003" > > > > <astraea2003>

> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Namaste Sarada,> > > > > > I'm probably

getting into things over my head, but I'm > > curious.> > > > > > In

one commentary on the Lalita Sahasranama, it mentions > the > > > > >

fifteen > > > > > > syllable mantra, panchadashaksari, as the mantra

of Sri > > Chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > According to Pandit

Tigunait, there are many variations of > > the > > > > Sri > > > > >

>

Vidya mantra. These are the fifteen syllables he gives:> > > > > > > >

> > > > Ka e i la hrim> > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim> > > > > > sa ka

la hrim> > > > > > shrim> > > > > > > > > > > > Is the Sri Vidya

mantra the same thing as the Sri Chakra > > > mantra? > > > > > > Is

the term "panchadashaksari" simply a way to refer to the > > Sri > >

> > > > Chakra or Sri Vidya mantra without revealing the mantra?> > >

> > > > > > > > > Astraea> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Somehow I missed Kelly's response to my

posting. I have seen it now. Thank you.

Our mothers cautioned us when we are very

young about several things, say "touching fire is harmful". Some of

us learnt things the hard way, by burning our fingers. Fire burns is

knowledge, mother advises you against trying it.

I read about a father's advise to his

teenage children, in Readers Digest. "Have faith in God but please

lock your cars"

As humans we have been given the power of

discrimination and we should use it-- to our advantage.

True devotion to God/dess will mean

leaving things entirely to Almighty, period. But we selectively want

to do certain things ourselves and want Almighty to do certain thigs

for us in the rest. If we could believe and understand that He/She is

with us all the time and is controlling our lives, and we accept all

happenings as His/Her Acts, true surrender manifests and thereafter

no mantras are required. One lives with Him/Her.

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"Devotion is leaving things to the almighty, period" Even the desire for chanting

mantra is of the Mother, so the very act of chanting is safe. When we

understand how the mind works, how thought and belief manifest,

correcting beliefs about an unsafe

journey can be eradicated and then one has true faith in what one undertakes.

 

People do not need mantra, it is just one way, but to force superstition onto devotee's

based off one's own fears is working from fear and definately not

surrender. Surrendering to Ma is not putting up the white flag and

saying Ma! It also has to do with using the tools that come your way

and recognizing they come from Her, so that in itself is also

surrender.

 

Again, it's not cookie cutter the same for all devotee's... One does

not need fear in chanting Mothers name, unless they are addicted to

fear, they won't need it any longer.

 

Jai Maa,

Kelly"RAVINDRAN R." <balaravi > wrote:

Dear members,

Somehow I missed Kelly's response to my

posting. I have seen it now. Thank you.

Our mothers cautioned us when we are very

young about several things, say "touching fire is harmful". Some of

us learnt things the hard way, by burning our fingers. Fire burns is

knowledge, mother advises you against trying it.

I read about a father's advise to his

teenage children, in Readers Digest. "Have faith in God but please

lock your cars"

As humans we have been given the power of

discrimination and we should use it-- to our advantage.

True devotion to God/dess will mean

leaving things entirely to Almighty, period. But we selectively want

to do certain things ourselves and want Almighty to do certain thigs

for us in the rest. If we could believe and understand that He/She is

with us all the time and is controlling our lives, and we accept all

happenings as His/Her Acts, true surrender manifests and thereafter

no mantras are required. One lives with Him/Her.

balaraviBala's BlessingsTo

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