Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 I don't imagine that the many demonds such as too much and too little take kindly to a new devotee starting out with the Chandi. Later on as practice continues the demonds seem to get trimed back just a bit. Years of effort has some impact, such as changes in one's perspective and values. , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote: > All, > > I just signed on and boy do I love this topic. > > Well, I think the real question is, "Why do things happen to practictioners?" not > bad or good. We are so stuck on good and bad and devotion to Maa makes good bad irrelevant in my book. When you are ready and willing and begging for purification, > She will deliver in the most of wise ways. We may not agree with her at first and > we may fight and yell at her, "why are you doing this to me??" Hardly ever is it Her doing it to us.. It's our habits brought to fruition quickly that stare at us in the face that causes supposed misfortune. If we are attached to anything, She will show us by taking it away. She is our Mother for Enlightenment. Why are we attracted to Kali and Chandi, and for me Dhumavati, Chinnemasta and Bhairavi? Because they are quick and swift. They waste no time. Talk about efficent. > > I'm going to answer specific questions to what I think the answers are. I am just revealing my pondering thoughts that have kept me up at night. I am not quoting any scripture or any of that, just what Ma has revealed to me. I'll type in italics: > > rudran2 <stechiekov> wrote: > > Praticioners still make mistakes while starting out. Later they tend > to become more savvy(calculating). With less errors, less misfortune finds its way > to them. I got caught in a huge market downturn and burned with > countless milllions of other investors. Since then my best investment > of effort seems to be in daily pujas which over the course of time > have become my greatest treasure. Practices bring solace. With it > wounds can heal. It is my best medicine. > > ******************************************************** > > Rudran - If one has devotion of course it's raw and will not appear refined. It's the emotion behind the devotion that makes Ma turn Her gaze to you. If you started doing worship and did it 'wrong' it doesn't matter. She created the most perfect thing for you to focus on Her. It was no mistake. Believe it or not, it was Her love. In the beginning we are like a rock that has Masterpice waiting to be revealed, but who can see it? Ma - she is the Cosmic artist. She gives a huge blow with her chisle and starts the process of perfection. You are supposed to be a raw rock, not a masterpeice in the beginning. In the beginning of any refinement, drastic measures are often taken in the beginning. It's all the process depending on where the disciple is 'at' and depending on what the Masterpiece will look like to Her in the end. She makes no mistakes. When She makes you love her in a raw way, it's Her, not you. Funny how we think it's 'us'. > > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > Chris, > > > > That is a VERY good question. > > > > The only answer I can think of is an appeal to Her. > > > > I dont know if what I am doing is right or wrong or pleases You. > > I dont know if I have the devotion or not. > > I dont know if my motivations for doing the sadhana are pure > > But YOU are the mother, and whatever happens is what you decide is > > the Prasad for my Sadhana. > > > > Latha > > > > > > ********************************************************** > > Latha - I agree totally. I had no idea if I was pure or not in the beginning. I prayed for purity of heart and being. I KNEW sexual purity had NOTHING to do with real purity so that thought didn't even cross my mind, so not knowing if we have devotion in the beginning sometimes can be a non issue. When one is seized by Her, we are seized. At the time, I would have never called it 'devotion'. I was obsessed but I was not self reflecting on how good or bad or perfect of a 'devotee' I was. I could have cared less. I just wanted Her. Who cares about appearances. > > > > > > > > , "Chris Kirner" > > <chriskirner1956> wrote: > > > Kelly, > > > > > > This is an intersesting topic to me. Why do bad things happen to > > some > > > devotees/practitioners? > > > > > > It is a fact, I believe, that Divine Mother loves all of her > > children > > > equally, and we are all her children, even those performing the > > most > > > debased acts. Painful things certainly happen to these people. > > ********************************************************** > > Painful things happen to ALL people. Why are we different? I think this is the beginning of the Spiritual Ego. > > ********************************************************* > > > > > > There are many stories of people being hurt by performing > practices > > > for which they were not prepared. These people are hurt by these > > > experiences. Why are they allowed to suffer? Perhaps they lacked > > true > > > devotion, but I am not able to judge that. Perhaps they had true > > > devotion. > > ******************************************************** > > I don't think a devotee or Guru should EVER judge a person or sadhaka's devotion. It's like judging the Mask and not the light. We will never know how much devotion a person has by how they hurt. They may hurt for God and it may 'appear' odd to the more conditioned devotee, but they may not be hurting at all. (good sex looks and sounds painful too, but is it?) If they hurt because of an experience what did they do and what did they beleive in? There is much to analyse with this situation. Beleif WILL manifest on the path fast. If our beliefs do not support the sadhana we are doing, then it will shatter our beliefs. If we are not willing for the 'belief' to transform and we hold on to it, the vessel will never be able to contain the fire and will shatter the belief and that can feel like Hell. Not very many devotee's know how to cross examine a belief. Not all religious beliefs are conducive to enlightenment. Some religous beliefs create entrapment, like cult dynamics, > mind control and person control. control, control, control.... Most everyone on the planet is a control freak. How many learn to LET GO? Most beliefs blind us because we NEVER questioned it. Kundalni will transform all belief. Then you will KNOW. The process is painful if the person doesn't have the mind to question beliefs that were attched to decay and sabatog, all the undesireables in the Chandi. Here's one: How many people I have witnessed for years who have false modesty... many because they were taught to not accept praise and to deflect it, reject it. Aren't they cute and sweet, How modest, such a good girl! It was taught. Being real has nothing to do with modesty. What did Vivekananda say, "Raise sheep and become Lions" something like that. A true disciple is not worrying about what the lion looks like or the sheep, they are too busy learning how to be the king of their jungle, not learning how to baaah like a sheep. We are not sheep. Yogi's are not sheep. We > need to learn how to Roar and to feel worthy of the Roar. Not fear it like a sheep for fear of what some conditioned devotee or Guru will think of them. Be careful of conditions, they only pull you into name and fame. Lions feel worthy of their roar and they accept no conditions. Those are the paws we need to fill. One thing I can say, sometimes Guru's have sleepy days and may not give the best advice. Sometimes they give advice for sheep forgetting they are speaking to little cubs. Lions don't let sheep think for them. Not implying the Guru is a sheep. just sleepy on some days is all. > > Feels uncomfortable now doesn't it? Stretching never feels comfortable. Staying a sheep does. Not implying anyone is a sheep here, but we all know the sheep in ourselves and we all know it's easy to stay one. But how easy is it to practice being a lion when everyone wants us to be a sheep. Conditions and breaking them is never easy. Painful sometimes. > > > > > > > > > I have always thought it was the guidence and care of the guru > that > > > made the difference, but I don't know that for sure. > > > > > > Shree Maa tells a story about a sadhu doing an advanced practice > > > seated on a corpse who gets eaten by a tiger. Divine Mother says > he > > > was eaten because he lacked pure devotion. I wonder how anyone > > could > > > undertake such a sadhana without having devotion? How pure is > pure? > > ********************************************************* > > Well, this is an area I firmly disagree. Who is Divine Mother in this story? A person? It could be that it was Her will to liberate him by Her manifesting as the Tiger so She could personally Liberate him by chowing down on his Holy Flesh. Maa doesn't sabatog devotee's for trying to reach her even if the devotion is soso or all the way. Haven't you ever heard of the yogi seeing the tiger as Maa and going into exstacy while being eaten alive becasue the yogi KNEW it was Her and it was time for his liberation? I love those stories, talk about devotion! 'Maaaaa' while being malled by a tiger. Good heavens. > > > > > > One who is fully surrendered, fully absorbed into the divine, is > > > certainly protected in every way, but what about the rest of us? > > > > > ********************************************************** > > Chris, I want to nicely ask: What is your belief? Here is where Maa is questioning your belief. What do YOU know about YOUR belief? Do you believe in eletism? Do you beleive in favoritism? Do you beleive Maa loves some more than others? It's conditioning talking, not truth. Just because someone acts fully surrendered wearing garb, saying all the 'right' things doesn't mean they aren't putting on an act. KNOW YOUR HEART and that is all that matters. If you are going for it in your sadhana and if I remember you are doing quite well, just know that is Her grace alone and you are 'not the rest of us'. You are a LION! Start rehearsing your roar. Like little simba, and then let the Divine Mother roar behind you like Mufasa to show you how. Rely only on your connection to Maa. All else is transitory. There is no one here who is the rest of us. You are all Her children and your faith is tested when you beleive your devotion is null and void or less than. > > ROOaaaaarrrr! I am going to make it in this lifetime! Even if She has to destroy me to do it! Do not worry about screwing up. That just prevents you from making a step forward, waiting in the wings for your number. If you wait too long it will be your next incarnation... > > The only real thing I'm getting at, is attitude. With the right attitude you can do anything. > > Now, one more thing. If I read correctly, Maa's Guru is Sri Ramakrishna. She didn't have a physical Guru to tell her what to do and what not to do. This is a good example to follow. Rely on what Kali is telling you directly thru your sadhana, dreams and practices. Cling to your connection to Kali. Shree Maa is living proof that one can do it without a physical Guru. She must have intuitively felt what was right for her. You should also excersize that ability. Intuitively do what is right for you. Do not be lead by fear, intuition and fear are different things. We all have a strong connection to Kali, Chandi and that is what we must rely on at all costs. Even with my own Physcial guru, I will still do what is intuitively right for me and he said it was the 'right' thing to do. The nature of a Lion is to be alone or with a few of his kin. It's the nature of sheep to eat grass all day with eachother bahing. Baaaahhhhhhh. Baaaaaahhhhhh. Kind of hypnotic isn't it? Could > put you to sleeeeeeeeeep. > > I'm passionate tonight. I love this topic and have been told I'm arrogant for telling people to rise up and practice being That/Lions. People would rather say I'm arrogant than try it. Oh well. If Vivekananda can say it, I can repeat him! > > With love and alot of passion:) I just love this topic. Namste, Kelly > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > > wrote: > > > > Balaravi, > > > > > > > > Enjoyed your post here. I have a question: > > > > > > > > If devotion is most important (and I think it's a huge factor) > > then > > > Ma will protect the child when they chant the mantra. You imply > > that > > > the chant is very powerful and it is certainly, but I also know > the > > > Divine Mother will not provide a mantra the child can't handle. > > All > > > other beleifs are superstitous. To not do a mantra because a > Guru > > > didn't provide it is besides the point. Ma is the ultimate in > Guru > > > and if one is aligned to her, she will protect and bring to > > fruition > > > what the child can achieve thru the mantra or she will make the > > child > > > more interested in something else, like the world so they lose > > > interest in chanting the mantra. > > > > > > > > It's all safe. > > > > > > > > I agree with your TV station reception. But I also think some > > TV's > > > and Radio's have a better subwoffers speakers and and will > provide > > > more shakti when turned up loud:) When it's loud you best have > the > > > right channel otherwise it's scratchy to the ears and not > pleasant > > to > > > listen to. > > > > > > > > The main issue about mantra's received from a Guru is not that > > > important if devotion is the main factor. If one has a Guru and > is > > > alligned with Guru what mantra they chant whether it comes from > > > elsewhere is fine. I received the mantra from a tantric adept > who > > > has been chanting it from childhood and so far, after reciting > it, > > > has brought me alot of comfort. Part of my sadhana is to > > erradicate > > > superstition from the Truth. They get so superimposed on > eachother > > > and then people blindly agree to beleive this stuff without ever > > > testing it themselves. I think if one is compelled to do a > mantra, > > > they should - That's Devotion! > > > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > balaravi <balaravi> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I just came across lucid posting on > pronounciation > > > > which prompted me to join this group. > > > > I would like to state a few points for you to > > ponder. > > > > Just like a radio or TV is to be properly tuned > to > > > > receive signals, a mantra is to be recited correctly for best > > > > results, but as rightly pointed out in the posting each model > of > > > > TV,say Soni, Samsung etc. claim excellent reception. Similarly > > > > different people pronounce the same word in their own ways. > This > > > > applies to all languages! > > > > Unlike broadcasts, Mata looks into the heart of > > > > Sadhaka and not the pronounciation. So devotion is the most > > > > important aspect. > > > > Please, I repeat please do not start reciting > > mantras > > > > without getting it from a Guru who has practised it for long. > > They > > > > are like high voltage, you should protect yourself before > > touching > > > > them. Not that they are harmful, but we should be raised to a > > level > > > > to receive them. And there is ladder, you don't jump to the > > highest > > > > level. Step by step initiation is like going K-12 and is the > BEST > > > > WAY. > > > > True Gurus do not part with Shodasi easily. > > > > Most prevalent forms of Panchadasi & Shodasi are > as > > > > below > > > > > > > > ka e i la hrim > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim > > > > sa ka la hrim > > > > Panchadasi becomes Shodasi by adding SHRIM > > > > Properly done you can enjoy bliss right here in the > > midst > > > > of misery > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes for Devi worship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balaravi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Kelly Leeper > <blissnout> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Astraea, > > > > > > > > > > This is how Nandu teaches the Sodashi, Lalita mantra. Call > me > > > and > > > > I will chant it > > > > > for you over the phone and you can tape it. 949-493-1800. > The > > > > purple bija's are raised. > > > > > The underlined is low. If you have a piano or harmonium it > > goes > > > > like this: > > > > > > > > > > Om srim hrim klim aim sow om hrim > > > > > E flat E D flat E flat "" "" "" "" > > > > > > > > > > ka e i la hrim > > > > > E flat E D flat D flat E flat > > > > > > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim - all D flat in triplets if you > > understand > > > > music > > > > > > > > > > sa ka la hrim - All E Flat > > > > > > > > > > sow aim klim hrim shrim > > > > > E flat E flat E flat D flat E flat > > > > > > > > > > When it come to certain mantra's I do them with intonations. > I > > > > love this mantra. > > > > > It comes from an tantric odiyya tradition and is the mantra > for > > > > the 3rd Goddess, Sodashi in the dasamahavidya's. > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy and call if you want me to chant it for you. You've > been > > > > initiated into Guru, no problem. > > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > > Kelly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srinath Ram <srinath_atreya> wrote: > > > > > Namasthe Astraea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shree Pandith Tigunait has rightly said, there are many > > > > versions > > > > > of the Shri vidya mantra. The school of thought [sampradaya] > > that > > > > > practices the mantra begining with "ka" is called "kaadi > matha" > > > > > or "kaadi vidya sampradaaya". Likewise there are "saadi" (sa- > > > > > aadi:begining with 'sa'), "haadi" etc. > > > > > > > > > > The mantra which you have quoted is actually "shodashakari" - > > the > > > > 16 > > > > > syllabled mantra of the Divine Mother. Panchadashi is 15 > > > lettered. > > > > > Both are also called as Shree chakra mantras as they are the > > main > > > > > mantras for worshipping the shree chakram. > > > > > > > > > > The rules of Shree vidya prohibits even discussing the > secrets > > of > > > > the > > > > > vidya in the presence of the uninitiated one. In such cases, > > one > > > > can > > > > > refer to the mantras indirectly. Normally, we say "moola" > [the > > > > > original/source]to mean the Shree vidya mantra. > > > > > > > > > > The vedic tradition is an oral tradition - mantras and secret > > > > > knowledge are taught by the Gurus to their desciples orally, > in > > > > > secrecy and it is laid out that sacred mantras should not be > > > > written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "astraea2003" > > > > <astraea2003> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Sarada, > > > > > > I'm probably getting into things over my head, but I'm > > curious. > > > > > > In one commentary on the Lalita Sahasranama, it mentions > the > > > > > fifteen > > > > > > syllable mantra, panchadashaksari, as the mantra of Sri > > Chakra. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Pandit Tigunait, there are many variations of > > the > > > > Sri > > > > > > Vidya mantra. These are the fifteen syllables he gives: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ka e i la hrim > > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim > > > > > > sa ka la hrim > > > > > > shrim > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the Sri Vidya mantra the same thing as the Sri Chakra > > > mantra? > > > > > > Is the term "panchadashaksari" simply a way to refer to the > > Sri > > > > > > Chakra or Sri Vidya mantra without revealing the mantra? > > > > > > > > > > > > Astraea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 I don't imagine that the many demonds such as too much and too little take kindly to a new devotee starting out with the Chandi. Later on as practice continues the demonds seem to get trimed back just a bit. Years of effort has some impact, such as changes in one's perspective and values., Kelly Leeper <blissnout> wrote:> All,> > I just signed on and boy do I love this topic.> > Well, I think the real question is, "Why do things happen to practictioners?" not> bad or good. We are so stuck on good and bad and devotion to Maa makes good bad irrelevant in my book. When you are ready and willing and begging for purification,> She will deliver in the most of wise ways. We may not agree with her at first and> we may fight and yell at her, "why are you doing this to me??" Hardly ever is it Her doing it to us.. It's our habits brought to fruition quickly that stare at us in the face that causes supposed misfortune. If we are attached to anything, She will show us by taking it away. She is our Mother for Enlightenment. Why are we attracted to Kali and Chandi, and for me Dhumavati, Chinnemasta and Bhairavi? Because they are quick and swift. They waste no time. Talk about efficent. > > I'm going to answer specific questions to what I think the answers are. I am just revealing my pondering thoughts that have kept me up at night. I am not quoting any scripture or any of that, just what Ma has revealed to me. I'll type in italics:> > rudran2 <stechiekov> wrote:> > Praticioners still make mistakes while starting out. Later they tend > to become more savvy(calculating). With less errors, less misfortune finds its way > to them. I got caught in a huge market downturn and burned with > countless milllions of other investors. Since then my best investment > of effort seems to be in daily pujas which over the course of time > have become my greatest treasure. Practices bring solace. With it > wounds can heal. It is my best medicine.> > ********************************************************> > Rudran - If one has devotion of course it's raw and will not appear refined. It's the emotion behind the devotion that makes Ma turn Her gaze to you. If you started doing worship and did it 'wrong' it doesn't matter. She created the most perfect thing for you to focus on Her. It was no mistake. Believe it or not, it was Her love. In the beginning we are like a rock that has Masterpice waiting to be revealed, but who can see it? Ma - she is the Cosmic artist. She gives a huge blow with her chisle and starts the process of perfection. You are supposed to be a raw rock, not a masterpeice in the beginning. In the beginning of any refinement, drastic measures are often taken in the beginning. It's all the process depending on where the disciple is 'at' and depending on what the Masterpiece will look like to Her in the end. She makes no mistakes. When She makes you love her in a raw way, it's Her, not you. Funny how we think it's 'us'.> > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote:> > Chris,> > > > That is a VERY good question.> > > > The only answer I can think of is an appeal to Her.> > > > I dont know if what I am doing is right or wrong or pleases You. > > I dont know if I have the devotion or not.> > I dont know if my motivations for doing the sadhana are pure> > But YOU are the mother, and whatever happens is what you decide is > > the Prasad for my Sadhana.> > > > Latha> > > > > > **********************************************************> > Latha - I agree totally. I had no idea if I was pure or not in the beginning. I prayed for purity of heart and being. I KNEW sexual purity had NOTHING to do with real purity so that thought didn't even cross my mind, so not knowing if we have devotion in the beginning sometimes can be a non issue. When one is seized by Her, we are seized. At the time, I would have never called it 'devotion'. I was obsessed but I was not self reflecting on how good or bad or perfect of a 'devotee' I was. I could have cared less. I just wanted Her. Who cares about appearances.> > > > > > > > --- In , "Chris Kirner" > > <chriskirner1956> wrote:> > > Kelly,> > > > > > This is an intersesting topic to me. Why do bad things happen to > > some > > > devotees/practitioners?> > > > > > It is a fact, I believe, that Divine Mother loves all of her > > children > > > equally, and we are all her children, even those performing the > > most > > > debased acts. Painful things certainly happen to these people.> > **********************************************************> > Painful things happen to ALL people. Why are we different? I think this is the beginning of the Spiritual Ego.> > *********************************************************> > > > > > There are many stories of people being hurt by performing > practices > > > for which they were not prepared. These people are hurt by these > > > experiences. Why are they allowed to suffer? Perhaps they lacked > > true > > > devotion, but I am not able to judge that. Perhaps they had true > > > devotion.> > ********************************************************> > I don't think a devotee or Guru should EVER judge a person or sadhaka's devotion. It's like judging the Mask and not the light. We will never know how much devotion a person has by how they hurt. They may hurt for God and it may 'appear' odd to the more conditioned devotee, but they may not be hurting at all. (good sex looks and sounds painful too, but is it?) If they hurt because of an experience what did they do and what did they beleive in? There is much to analyse with this situation. Beleif WILL manifest on the path fast. If our beliefs do not support the sadhana we are doing, then it will shatter our beliefs. If we are not willing for the 'belief' to transform and we hold on to it, the vessel will never be able to contain the fire and will shatter the belief and that can feel like Hell. Not very many devotee's know how to cross examine a belief. Not all religious beliefs are conducive to enlightenment. Some religous beliefs create entrapment, like cult dynamics,> mind control and person control. control, control, control.... Most everyone on the planet is a control freak. How many learn to LET GO? Most beliefs blind us because we NEVER questioned it. Kundalni will transform all belief. Then you will KNOW. The process is painful if the person doesn't have the mind to question beliefs that were attched to decay and sabatog, all the undesireables in the Chandi. Here's one: How many people I have witnessed for years who have false modesty... many because they were taught to not accept praise and to deflect it, reject it. Aren't they cute and sweet, How modest, such a good girl! It was taught. Being real has nothing to do with modesty. What did Vivekananda say, "Raise sheep and become Lions" something like that. A true disciple is not worrying about what the lion looks like or the sheep, they are too busy learning how to be the king of their jungle, not learning how to baaah like a sheep. We are not sheep. Yogi's are not sheep. We> need to learn how to Roar and to feel worthy of the Roar. Not fear it like a sheep for fear of what some conditioned devotee or Guru will think of them. Be careful of conditions, they only pull you into name and fame. Lions feel worthy of their roar and they accept no conditions. Those are the paws we need to fill. One thing I can say, sometimes Guru's have sleepy days and may not give the best advice. Sometimes they give advice for sheep forgetting they are speaking to little cubs. Lions don't let sheep think for them. Not implying the Guru is a sheep. just sleepy on some days is all.> > Feels uncomfortable now doesn't it? Stretching never feels comfortable. Staying a sheep does. Not implying anyone is a sheep here, but we all know the sheep in ourselves and we all know it's easy to stay one. But how easy is it to practice being a lion when everyone wants us to be a sheep. Conditions and breaking them is never easy. Painful sometimes.> > > > > > > > > I have always thought it was the guidence and care of the guru > that > > > made the difference, but I don't know that for sure. > > > > > > Shree Maa tells a story about a sadhu doing an advanced practice > > > seated on a corpse who gets eaten by a tiger. Divine Mother says > he > > > was eaten because he lacked pure devotion. I wonder how anyone > > could > > > undertake such a sadhana without having devotion? How pure is > pure? > > *********************************************************> > Well, this is an area I firmly disagree. Who is Divine Mother in this story? A person? It could be that it was Her will to liberate him by Her manifesting as the Tiger so She could personally Liberate him by chowing down on his Holy Flesh. Maa doesn't sabatog devotee's for trying to reach her even if the devotion is soso or all the way. Haven't you ever heard of the yogi seeing the tiger as Maa and going into exstacy while being eaten alive becasue the yogi KNEW it was Her and it was time for his liberation? I love those stories, talk about devotion! 'Maaaaa' while being malled by a tiger. Good heavens.> > > > > > One who is fully surrendered, fully absorbed into the divine, is > > > certainly protected in every way, but what about the rest of us?> > > > > **********************************************************> > Chris, I want to nicely ask: What is your belief? Here is where Maa is questioning your belief. What do YOU know about YOUR belief? Do you believe in eletism? Do you beleive in favoritism? Do you beleive Maa loves some more than others? It's conditioning talking, not truth. Just because someone acts fully surrendered wearing garb, saying all the 'right' things doesn't mean they aren't putting on an act. KNOW YOUR HEART and that is all that matters. If you are going for it in your sadhana and if I remember you are doing quite well, just know that is Her grace alone and you are 'not the rest of us'. You are a LION! Start rehearsing your roar. Like little simba, and then let the Divine Mother roar behind you like Mufasa to show you how. Rely only on your connection to Maa. All else is transitory. There is no one here who is the rest of us. You are all Her children and your faith is tested when you beleive your devotion is null and void or less than.> > ROOaaaaarrrr! I am going to make it in this lifetime! Even if She has to destroy me to do it! Do not worry about screwing up. That just prevents you from making a step forward, waiting in the wings for your number. If you wait too long it will be your next incarnation...> > The only real thing I'm getting at, is attitude. With the right attitude you can do anything. > > Now, one more thing. If I read correctly, Maa's Guru is Sri Ramakrishna. She didn't have a physical Guru to tell her what to do and what not to do. This is a good example to follow. Rely on what Kali is telling you directly thru your sadhana, dreams and practices. Cling to your connection to Kali. Shree Maa is living proof that one can do it without a physical Guru. She must have intuitively felt what was right for her. You should also excersize that ability. Intuitively do what is right for you. Do not be lead by fear, intuition and fear are different things. We all have a strong connection to Kali, Chandi and that is what we must rely on at all costs. Even with my own Physcial guru, I will still do what is intuitively right for me and he said it was the 'right' thing to do. The nature of a Lion is to be alone or with a few of his kin. It's the nature of sheep to eat grass all day with eachother bahing. Baaaahhhhhhh. Baaaaaahhhhhh. Kind of hypnotic isn't it? Could> put you to sleeeeeeeeeep.> > I'm passionate tonight. I love this topic and have been told I'm arrogant for telling people to rise up and practice being That/Lions. People would rather say I'm arrogant than try it. Oh well. If Vivekananda can say it, I can repeat him! > > With love and alot of passion:) I just love this topic. Namste, Kelly> > > > > Chris> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Kelly Leeper <blissnout> > > > wrote:> > > > Balaravi, > > > > > > > > Enjoyed your post here. I have a question:> > > > > > > > If devotion is most important (and I think it's a huge factor) > > then > > > Ma will protect the child when they chant the mantra. You imply > > that > > > the chant is very powerful and it is certainly, but I also know > the > > > Divine Mother will not provide a mantra the child can't handle. > > All > > > other beleifs are superstitous. To not do a mantra because a > Guru > > > didn't provide it is besides the point. Ma is the ultimate in > Guru > > > and if one is aligned to her, she will protect and bring to > > fruition > > > what the child can achieve thru the mantra or she will make the > > child > > > more interested in something else, like the world so they lose > > > interest in chanting the mantra.> > > > > > > > It's all safe. > > > > > > > > I agree with your TV station reception. But I also think some > > TV's > > > and Radio's have a better subwoffers speakers and and will > provide > > > more shakti when turned up loud:) When it's loud you best have > the > > > right channel otherwise it's scratchy to the ears and not > pleasant > > to > > > listen to.> > > > > > > > The main issue about mantra's received from a Guru is not that > > > important if devotion is the main factor. If one has a Guru and > is > > > alligned with Guru what mantra they chant whether it comes from > > > elsewhere is fine. I received the mantra from a tantric adept > who > > > has been chanting it from childhood and so far, after reciting > it, > > > has brought me alot of comfort. Part of my sadhana is to > > erradicate > > > superstition from the Truth. They get so superimposed on > eachother > > > and then people blindly agree to beleive this stuff without ever > > > testing it themselves. I think if one is compelled to do a > mantra, > > > they should - That's Devotion!> > > > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > > Kelly> > > > > > > > balaravi <balaravi> wrote:> > > > Dear Members,> > > > I just came across lucid posting on > pronounciation > > > > which prompted me to join this group.> > > > I would like to state a few points for you to > > ponder.> > > > Just like a radio or TV is to be properly tuned > to > > > > receive signals, a mantra is to be recited correctly for best > > > > results, but as rightly pointed out in the posting each model > of > > > > TV,say Soni, Samsung etc. claim excellent reception. Similarly > > > > different people pronounce the same word in their own ways. > This > > > > applies to all languages!> > > > Unlike broadcasts, Mata looks into the heart of > > > > Sadhaka and not the pronounciation. So devotion is the most > > > > important aspect.> > > > Please, I repeat please do not start reciting > > mantras > > > > without getting it from a Guru who has practised it for long. > > They > > > > are like high voltage, you should protect yourself before > > touching > > > > them. Not that they are harmful, but we should be raised to a > > level > > > > to receive them. And there is ladder, you don't jump to the > > highest > > > > level. Step by step initiation is like going K-12 and is the > BEST > > > > WAY.> > > > True Gurus do not part with Shodasi easily.> > > > Most prevalent forms of Panchadasi & Shodasi are > as > > > > below> > > > > > > > ka e i la hrim> > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim> > > > sa ka la hrim> > > > Panchadasi becomes Shodasi by adding SHRIM> > > > Properly done you can enjoy bliss right here in the > > midst > > > > of misery> > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes for Devi worship> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balaravi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Kelly Leeper > <blissnout> > > > > wrote:> > > > > Astraea,> > > > > > > > > > This is how Nandu teaches the Sodashi, Lalita mantra. Call > me > > > and > > > > I will chant it > > > > > for you over the phone and you can tape it. 949-493-1800. > The > > > > purple bija's are raised.> > > > > The underlined is low. If you have a piano or harmonium it > > goes > > > > like this: > > > > > > > > > > Om srim hrim klim aim sow om hrim> > > > > E flat E D flat E flat "" "" "" ""> > > > > > > > > > ka e i la hrim> > > > > E flat E D flat D flat E flat> > > > > > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim - all D flat in triplets if you > > understand > > > > music> > > > > > > > > > sa ka la hrim - All E Flat> > > > > > > > > > sow aim klim hrim shrim> > > > > E flat E flat E flat D flat E flat> > > > > > > > > > When it come to certain mantra's I do them with intonations. > I > > > > love this mantra. > > > > > It comes from an tantric odiyya tradition and is the mantra > for > > > > the 3rd Goddess, Sodashi in the dasamahavidya's.> > > > > > > > > > Enjoy and call if you want me to chant it for you. You've > been > > > > initiated into Guru, no problem.> > > > > > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > > > Kelly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Srinath Ram <srinath_atreya> wrote:> > > > > Namasthe Astraea> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Shree Pandith Tigunait has rightly said, there are many > > > > versions > > > > > of the Shri vidya mantra. The school of thought [sampradaya] > > that > > > > > practices the mantra begining with "ka" is called "kaadi > matha" > > > > > or "kaadi vidya sampradaaya". Likewise there are "saadi" (sa-> > > > > aadi:begining with 'sa'), "haadi" etc. > > > > > > > > > > The mantra which you have quoted is actually "shodashakari" - > > the > > > > 16 > > > > > syllabled mantra of the Divine Mother. Panchadashi is 15 > > > lettered. > > > > > Both are also called as Shree chakra mantras as they are the > > main > > > > > mantras for worshipping the shree chakram.> > > > > > > > > > The rules of Shree vidya prohibits even discussing the > secrets > > of > > > > the > > > > > vidya in the presence of the uninitiated one. In such cases, > > one > > > > can > > > > > refer to the mantras indirectly. Normally, we say "moola" > [the > > > > > original/source]to mean the Shree vidya mantra.> > > > > > > > > > The vedic tradition is an oral tradition - mantras and secret > > > > > knowledge are taught by the Gurus to their desciples orally, > in > > > > > secrecy and it is laid out that sacred mantras should not be > > > > written.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astraea2003" > > > > <astraea2003> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > Namaste Sarada,> > > > > > I'm probably getting into things over my head, but I'm > > curious.> > > > > > In one commentary on the Lalita Sahasranama, it mentions > the > > > > > fifteen > > > > > > syllable mantra, panchadashaksari, as the mantra of Sri > > Chakra.> > > > > > > > > > > > According to Pandit Tigunait, there are many variations of > > the > > > > Sri > > > > > > Vidya mantra. These are the fifteen syllables he gives:> > > > > > > > > > > > Ka e i la hrim> > > > > > ha sa ka ha la hrim> > > > > > sa ka la hrim> > > > > > shrim> > > > > > > > > > > > Is the Sri Vidya mantra the same thing as the Sri Chakra > > > mantra? > > > > > > Is the term "panchadashaksari" simply a way to refer to the > > Sri > > > > > > Chakra or Sri Vidya mantra without revealing the mantra?> > > > > > > > > > > > Astraea> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now> > > > > Sponsor> > To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > Your use of Groups is subject to the > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it nowTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Somehow I missed Kelly's response to my posting. I have seen it now. Thank you. Our mothers cautioned us when we are very young about several things, say "touching fire is harmful". Some of us learnt things the hard way, by burning our fingers. Fire burns is knowledge, mother advises you against trying it. I read about a father's advise to his teenage children, in Readers Digest. "Have faith in God but please lock your cars" As humans we have been given the power of discrimination and we should use it-- to our advantage. True devotion to God/dess will mean leaving things entirely to Almighty, period. But we selectively want to do certain things ourselves and want Almighty to do certain thigs for us in the rest. If we could believe and understand that He/She is with us all the time and is controlling our lives, and we accept all happenings as His/Her Acts, true surrender manifests and thereafter no mantras are required. One lives with Him/Her. balaraviBala's Blessings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 "Devotion is leaving things to the almighty, period" Even the desire for chanting mantra is of the Mother, so the very act of chanting is safe. When we understand how the mind works, how thought and belief manifest, correcting beliefs about an unsafe journey can be eradicated and then one has true faith in what one undertakes. People do not need mantra, it is just one way, but to force superstition onto devotee's based off one's own fears is working from fear and definately not surrender. Surrendering to Ma is not putting up the white flag and saying Ma! It also has to do with using the tools that come your way and recognizing they come from Her, so that in itself is also surrender. Again, it's not cookie cutter the same for all devotee's... One does not need fear in chanting Mothers name, unless they are addicted to fear, they won't need it any longer. Jai Maa, Kelly"RAVINDRAN R." <balaravi > wrote: Dear members, Somehow I missed Kelly's response to my posting. I have seen it now. Thank you. Our mothers cautioned us when we are very young about several things, say "touching fire is harmful". Some of us learnt things the hard way, by burning our fingers. Fire burns is knowledge, mother advises you against trying it. I read about a father's advise to his teenage children, in Readers Digest. "Have faith in God but please lock your cars" As humans we have been given the power of discrimination and we should use it-- to our advantage. True devotion to God/dess will mean leaving things entirely to Almighty, period. But we selectively want to do certain things ourselves and want Almighty to do certain thigs for us in the rest. If we could believe and understand that He/She is with us all the time and is controlling our lives, and we accept all happenings as His/Her Acts, true surrender manifests and thereafter no mantras are required. One lives with Him/Her. balaraviBala's BlessingsTo from this group, send an email to:Your use of is subject to the New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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