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I am in need concerning lineage...I am wondering if anyone knows the

lineage of Sri Jnaneshwar, is it true that Chaitanya and Ramakrishna

are from this lineage, if not, can someone please straighten me out?

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Shubal

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I don't believe that is correct concerning Sri Ramakrsna. I don't

know about Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Sri Ramakrsna's guru in terms of

sadhu lineage was Totapuri from Juna Akhara. I don't know anymore

about the lineage of Totapuri.

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I am in need concerning lineage...I am wondering if anyone knows the

lineage of Sri Jnaneshwar, is it true that Chaitanya and Ramakrishna

are from this lineage, if not, can someone please straighten me out?

Thanks for the help.

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It most certainly is not the least bit correct. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu

is the line which today is Iskon, and the only Ramakishna Iskon

concerns itself with is the is the 16 word, 32 letter "maha mantra"

of hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare; hare krishna, hare

krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare. In addidition to Iskon of the

late Bakti Vedanta Prabhupad, there is a break away Vashnavic faction

under some Narayan which Iskon refuses to recognise. Both of them are

Chaitanya's spawn, but not Ramakrisna of Belor Math in Begal. He is

an entirely different breed of cat. Vedanta Society will attest to

Ramakrishna's lineage which is far apart from that of Chaitanya

Mahaprabu.

 

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> I don't believe that is correct concerning Sri Ramakrsna. I don't

know about Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Sri Ramakrsna's guru in terms of

sadhu lineage was Totapuri from Juna Akhara. I don't know anymore

about the lineage of Totapuri.

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Ramakrishna are from this lineage, if not, can someone please

straighten me out?

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> Thanks for the help.

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> Shubal

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Greetings Shubal,

Following is the linage of sri Jnaneshwar who belongs to Nath cult. On

the canvas of nath history much of their life histories have never

come to the foreground.

1. Adinath 2. Matsyendranath 3. Goraknath 4. Gahininath/ Jnaninath 5.

Nivritti nath (elder brother to Jnaneshwar) 6. Santh Jnaneshwar.

Sri Jnaneshwar met Sri Namdev during pilgrimage, later was mentor to

Jnaneshwar. His elder brother Nivritti was his guru and initiated him

into Nath cult.

Sri Ramakrishna is an incarnation of Lord Shiva. Lord Chaitanya has

decended as incarnation of Krishna to propagate bhakti in form of

Chanting and singing. They do not come under Nath cult.

Regards,

AnilEarth is the chosen place of mightiest souls;Earth is the heroic

spirit's battlefield - Sri Aurobindo (Savitri)

shubal108 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

I am in need concerning lineage...I am wondering if anyone knows the

lineage of Sri Jnaneshwar, is it true that Chaitanya and Ramakrishna

are from this lineage, if not, can someone please straighten me out?

Thanks for the help.

ShubalTo visit your group on the web, go

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Thank you for some clarification, but please let me be more specific regarding my question.

 

I am no pundit, I just read books, and sing kirtan, so there is this

little book published by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan called The Saints of

Maharashtra and it says

Jnaneshwar and Namadeva initiated these holy kirtanas. To imagine

what this must have sounded like with a score of realized souls

singing God's names at the top of their voices, must have indeed

caused one's hair to stand on end. Kirtan soon crossed the

boundaries of Maharashtra and flodded the whole country where the

memory of Saint Jnaneshwar and Saint Namadeva will be lovingly

remembered for having created so simple and sweet a mode of self

purification and worship: the Namasamkirtana!"

 

Now this was the 13 century, Chaitanya was the 15th century, so my

question is can anyone see the use of kirtan as a sadhana as being

part of a lineage (e.g. Iyengar and hatha yoga and the lineage that

flows from him), and, as a slight tangent to this question, are there

any other branches of the chaitanya lineage than iskon. Or more

broadly and directly, can anyone trace the history of kirtan as a

practice for me, or refer me to sources to research this.

 

Thank you.

 

Love

 

Shubal

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No one can say who Ramakrsna and Chaitanya were incarnations of. I

think the point was the lineage of Sri Jnaneshwar until Chaitanya and

Ramakrsna, not the lineage before Sri Jnaneshwar, which you are

correct about.

Naths are Saivites by the way. Adinath is Lord Shiva, the First (Adi) Lord (Nath).

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Anil

Friday, December 19, 2003 10:25 PM

Re: help

Greetings Shubal,

Following is the linage of sri Jnaneshwar who belongs to Nath cult. On

the canvas of nath history much of their life histories have never

come to the foreground.

1. Adinath 2. Matsyendranath 3. Goraknath 4. Gahininath/ Jnaninath 5.

Nivritti nath (elder brother to Jnaneshwar) 6. Santh Jnaneshwar.

Sri Jnaneshwar met Sri Namdev during pilgrimage, later was mentor to

Jnaneshwar. His elder brother Nivritti was his guru and initiated him

into Nath cult.

Sri Ramakrishna is an incarnation of Lord Shiva. Lord Chaitanya has

decended as incarnation of Krishna to propagate bhakti in form of

Chanting and singing. They do not come under Nath cult.

Regards,

AnilEarth is the chosen place of mightiest souls;Earth is the heroic

spirit's battlefield - Sri Aurobindo (Savitri)

shubal108 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

I am in need concerning lineage...I am wondering if anyone knows the

lineage of Sri Jnaneshwar, is it true that Chaitanya and Ramakrishna

are from this lineage, if not, can someone please straighten me out?

Thanks for the help.

ShubalTo visit your group on the web, go

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Dear Rudran,

Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is considered as an incarnation of

Lord Krishna to understand the love that Sri Radha had towards him.

He is an incarnation of Lord Krishna in the mood of Sri Radha Rani.

He propogated the sweet name of Lord Krishna through Kirtan and

chanting. He lost outer consciousness and tears rolled from his eyes

when he heard the name of Sri Krishna. The goal of all our practices

is to reach that state.

No where it is mentioned that Sri Ramakrishna is an

incarnation of Lord Shiva. In his life biography it is mentioned

that he is seen as Lord Shiva, Divine Mother Kali, Sri Krishna by his

devotees who were spiritually illumined by him. He was not

comfortable when anyone addressed him as God incarnate. He was happy

as a pure child of Kali and viewed himself like that. As the saying

goes, God incarnations behave as normal human beings to disguise

themselves. But the pure and god seeking persons on earth recognize

them and try to follow their teachings.

Regarding God incarnations Sri Ramakrishna tells a beautiful

parable. After the Mahabharatha battle, Arjuna addresses Sri Krishna

as the embodiment of Parabrahma. Then Lord Krishna takes Arjuna to a

tree and asks him to tell him what he sees. Arjuna tells that he

sees blue berries hanging from the tree. Sri Krishna takes him

closer to the tree and tells him that those "blue berries" are

different God incarnations hanging from the tree called Parabrahman.

So, the same divine appears in different forms for the sake of his

devotees to guide them to him.

Sri Ramakrishna taught religious tolerance in one of his

famous saying: "As you stick firm to your faith and belief, allow

others also equal opportunity to do so. Condemn none, redicule

none. Accept all religions and cults as different paths to reach the

same God." Even though we are trying to see the Divine Mother, it

doesn't befit us, if we address the loving son of Divine Mother as "a

different breed of Cat". Why can't we accept other saints and God

incarnations and try to follow their teachings? I felt bad when Sri

Ramakrishna was addressed like that. If it was meant in a positive

spirit, please explain and forgive my ignorance.

 

My pranams to all genuine devotees of Sri Maa.

Prasad.

 

, "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote:

> It most certainly is not the least bit correct. Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu

> is the line which today is Iskon, and the only Ramakishna Iskon

> concerns itself with is the is the 16 word, 32 letter "maha mantra"

> of hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare; hare krishna, hare

> krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare. In addidition to Iskon of the

> late Bakti Vedanta Prabhupad, there is a break away Vashnavic

faction

> under some Narayan which Iskon refuses to recognise. Both of them

are

> Chaitanya's spawn, but not Ramakrisna of Belor Math in Begal. He is

> an entirely different breed of cat. Vedanta Society will attest to

> Ramakrishna's lineage which is far apart from that of Chaitanya

> Mahaprabu.

>

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, shubal108@a... wrote:

> Thank you for some clarification, but please let me be more

specific

> regarding my question.

>

> I am no pundit, I just read books, and sing kirtan, so there is

this little

> book published by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan called The Saints of

Maharashtra and

> it says

> Jnaneshwar and Namadeva initiated these holy kirtanas. To

imagine what

> this must have sounded like with a score of realized souls singing

God's names

> at the top of their voices, must have indeed caused one's hair to

stand on end.

> Kirtan soon crossed the boundaries of Maharashtra and flodded the

whole

> country where the memory of Saint Jnaneshwar and Saint Namadeva

will be lovingly

> remembered for having created so simple and sweet a mode of self

purification

> and worship: the Namasamkirtana!"

>

> Now this was the 13 century, Chaitanya was the 15th century, so my

question

> is can anyone see the use of kirtan as a sadhana as being part of a

lineage

> (e.g. Iyengar and hatha yoga and the lineage that flows from him),

and, as a

> slight tangent to this question, are there any other branches of

the chaitanya

> lineage than iskon. Or more broadly and directly, can anyone trace

the history

> of kirtan as a practice for me, or refer me to sources to research

this.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Love

>

> Shubal

 

You might do well to visit;

 

http://www.purebhakti.com

http://www.bvml.org

 

Both of these are non-iskon but in the Chaitanya Prabu lineage. They

are intense practictioners, but rather militant and narrow in focus.

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Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was exactly that a Paramahamsa...AVATAR. He is

regarded as the last incarnation of Visnu among many in the Vedanta Society

and Ramakrisna Mission.

 

>"pratapaprasad" <pratapaprasad

>

>

> Re: help

>Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:44:17 -0000

>

>Dear Rudran,

> Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is considered as an incarnation of

>Lord Krishna to understand the love that Sri Radha had towards him.

>He is an incarnation of Lord Krishna in the mood of Sri Radha Rani.

>He propogated the sweet name of Lord Krishna through Kirtan and

>chanting. He lost outer consciousness and tears rolled from his eyes

>when he heard the name of Sri Krishna. The goal of all our practices

>is to reach that state.

> No where it is mentioned that Sri Ramakrishna is an

>incarnation of Lord Shiva. In his life biography it is mentioned

>that he is seen as Lord Shiva, Divine Mother Kali, Sri Krishna by his

>devotees who were spiritually illumined by him. He was not

>comfortable when anyone addressed him as God incarnate. He was happy

>as a pure child of Kali and viewed himself like that. As the saying

>goes, God incarnations behave as normal human beings to disguise

>themselves. But the pure and god seeking persons on earth recognize

>them and try to follow their teachings.

> Regarding God incarnations Sri Ramakrishna tells a beautiful

>parable. After the Mahabharatha battle, Arjuna addresses Sri Krishna

>as the embodiment of Parabrahma. Then Lord Krishna takes Arjuna to a

>tree and asks him to tell him what he sees. Arjuna tells that he

>sees blue berries hanging from the tree. Sri Krishna takes him

>closer to the tree and tells him that those "blue berries" are

>different God incarnations hanging from the tree called Parabrahman.

>So, the same divine appears in different forms for the sake of his

>devotees to guide them to him.

> Sri Ramakrishna taught religious tolerance in one of his

>famous saying: "As you stick firm to your faith and belief, allow

>others also equal opportunity to do so. Condemn none, redicule

>none. Accept all religions and cults as different paths to reach the

>same God." Even though we are trying to see the Divine Mother, it

>doesn't befit us, if we address the loving son of Divine Mother as "a

>different breed of Cat". Why can't we accept other saints and God

>incarnations and try to follow their teachings? I felt bad when Sri

>Ramakrishna was addressed like that. If it was meant in a positive

>spirit, please explain and forgive my ignorance.

>

>My pranams to all genuine devotees of Sri Maa.

>Prasad.

>

>, "rudran2" <stechiekov> wrote:

> > It most certainly is not the least bit correct. Chaitanya

>Mahaprabhu

> > is the line which today is Iskon, and the only Ramakishna Iskon

> > concerns itself with is the is the 16 word, 32 letter "maha mantra"

> > of hare rama, hare rama, rama rama, hare hare; hare krishna, hare

> > krishna, krishna krishna, hare hare. In addidition to Iskon of the

> > late Bakti Vedanta Prabhupad, there is a break away Vashnavic

>faction

> > under some Narayan which Iskon refuses to recognise. Both of them

>are

> > Chaitanya's spawn, but not Ramakrisna of Belor Math in Begal. He is

> > an entirely different breed of cat. Vedanta Society will attest to

> > Ramakrishna's lineage which is far apart from that of Chaitanya

> > Mahaprabu.

> >

>

>

>

 

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All are avatars. Different devotees think different things. All is fine.

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James Eyerman

Monday, December 22, 2003 1:21 PM

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Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa was exactly that a Paramahamsa...AVATAR.

He is regarded as the last incarnation of Visnu among many in the

Vedanta Society and Ramakrisna Mission.>"pratapaprasad"

<pratapaprasad >>>To:

> Re: help>Date:

Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:44:17 -0000>>Dear Rudran,> Sri Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu is considered as an incarnation of>Lord Krishna to

understand the love that Sri Radha had towards him.>He is an

incarnation of Lord Krishna in the mood of Sri Radha Rani.>He

propogated the sweet name of Lord Krishna through Kirtan

and>chanting. He lost outer consciousness and tears rolled from his

eyes>when he heard the name of Sri Krishna. The goal of all our

practices>is to reach that state.> No where it is mentioned

that Sri Ramakrishna is an>incarnation of Lord Shiva. In his life

biography it is mentioned>that he is seen as Lord Shiva, Divine

Mother Kali, Sri Krishna by his>devotees who were spiritually

illumined by him. He was not>comfortable when anyone addressed him

as God incarnate. He was happy>as a pure child of Kali and viewed

himself like that. As the saying>goes, God incarnations behave as

normal human beings to disguise>themselves. But the pure and god

seeking persons on earth recognize>them and try to follow their

teachings.> Regarding God incarnations Sri Ramakrishna tells

a beautiful>parable. After the Mahabharatha battle, Arjuna addresses

Sri Krishna>as the embodiment of Parabrahma. Then Lord Krishna takes

Arjuna to a>tree and asks him to tell him what he sees. Arjuna tells

that he>sees blue berries hanging from the tree. Sri Krishna takes

him>closer to the tree and tells him that those "blue berries"

are>different God incarnations hanging from the tree called

Parabrahman.>So, the same divine appears in different forms for the

sake of his>devotees to guide them to him.> Sri Ramakrishna

taught religious tolerance in one of his>famous saying: "As you stick

firm to your faith and belief, allow>others also equal opportunity to

do so. Condemn none, redicule>none. Accept all religions and cults

as different paths to reach the>same God." Even though we are trying

to see the Divine Mother, it>doesn't befit us, if we address the

loving son of Divine Mother as "a>different breed of Cat". Why can't

we accept other saints and God>incarnations and try to follow their

teachings? I felt bad when Sri>Ramakrishna was addressed like that.

If it was meant in a positive>spirit, please explain and forgive my

ignorance.>>My pranams to all genuine devotees of Sri

Maa.>Prasad.>>, "rudran2"

<stechiekov> wrote:> > It most certainly is not the least bit

correct. Chaitanya>Mahaprabhu> > is the line which today is Iskon,

and the only Ramakishna Iskon> > concerns itself with is the is the

16 word, 32 letter "maha mantra"> > of hare rama, hare rama, rama

rama, hare hare; hare krishna, hare> > krishna, krishna krishna, hare

hare. In addidition to Iskon of the> > late Bakti Vedanta Prabhupad,

there is a break away Vashnavic>faction> > under some Narayan which

Iskon refuses to recognise. Both of them>are> > Chaitanya's spawn,

but not Ramakrisna of Belor Math in Begal. He is> > an entirely

different breed of cat. Vedanta Society will attest to> >

Ramakrishna's lineage which is far apart from that of Chaitanya> >

Mahaprabu.>

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Stop identifying yourself in the objects around you.

That's my goal, anyway.

Great question.

Brian

At 02:38 PM 12/29/2003, you wrote:

Here

is a question that is applicable to many of us,I

believe.

I love devotional topics very much and whenever I am

free from material worries I think and talk of

transcendental topics.But as soon as a problem,

slightest of its kind arises, I simply become an

ordinary ignorant and get disturbed.

I think of Rama and joyfully sing his glories when

material success comes, but when sorrow arises I

simply become exhausted and cry to Rama to relieve me

from material pain.

How to maintain a perfect balance and unalloyed

devotion during times of difficuty?

/

Your use of is subject to the

 

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With the right intention we could embrace this "to and fro" thing by

thinking of it as developing the "remembering" muscle. By

remembering over and over again, in all the varied situations in

which we find ourselves, this 'muscle' gets stronger and stronger.

Steady, consistent sadahna, encourages more remembering so that when

we are out in the world, serving and loving, this peace shines

thorugh.

Wonderful to ponder, thank you!

Blessings, Lynne

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Brian McKee

Monday, December 29, 2003 10:26 PM

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Stop identifying yourself in the objects around you.That's my goal,

anyway.Great question.BrianAt 02:38 PM 12/29/2003, you wrote:

Here is a question that is applicable to many of us,Ibelieve.I love

devotional topics very much and whenever I amfree from material

worries I think and talk oftranscendental topics.But as soon as a

problem,slightest of its kind arises, I simply become anordinary

ignorant and get disturbed. I think of Rama and joyfully sing his

glories whenmaterial success comes, but when sorrow arises Isimply

become exhausted and cry to Rama to relieve mefrom material pain.

How to maintain a perfect balance and unalloyeddevotion during times

of difficuty?

Links

 

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Hi Shubal,

I'm not sure I follow you.

Unless what you are saying is to see goddess in all the objects around

you, I thought of that after I posted the first email.

Its another way to surrender and to accept reality, instead of not

identifying with the objects around us to dis-attach, we identify

them as part of goddess and that frees us from the bonds of

attachment.

Is that what you meant?

Brian shubal108 (AT) aol (DOT) com Dec 30,

2003 9:44 AM Re:

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In a message dated 12/29/2003 10:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org writes:

Stop identifying yourself in the objects around you.That's my goal, anyway.Great question.Brian

Or...Identify yourself on the objects around you

Love

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