Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who became Savarni. What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 Namaste Swamiji, Your translation for Savarni from the Chandi is "He who belongs to all colors, tribes, and castes, the son of the Light of Wisdom." In my opinion, the Chandi serves two purposes. It shows well intentioned people a "relatively" simple way of attaining oneness with the universe. Its like Guru in book form. And, it has this wonderful little curse / blessing in it. Who ever masters the Chandi will (must) return as master of the three worlds and be able to walk among all men and help teach them to look for goddess within. That's the curse part. If you get Mama Chandi's help, you have to pay her back by coming back and teaching for her. A Savarni teaches by example, that's the way a true teacher teaches. As an embodiment of light, that is to say truth, a Savarni learns the ability to cut through all the Maha Maya that surrounds him. (I love your translation of Maha Maya, "The Ultimate Measure of Consciousness." Man that made me stop thinking...) That is to say a Savarni can see Maha Maya for what she is, love her so much that she melts into his consciousness and then the Savarni can shine consciousness into the darkness. A Savarni is a light beacon in the Darkness of Kali Yuga (or Dvapara as the case may be). By the way, remind me to ask you about the eight cycles of Manvatara and why it was that Markandeya puts himself on the second and Savarni in the eighth. I don't get that yet, but I know its significant. I just reread your summary of Chapter one. You state it blatantly but I missed it the first time. Markandeya was the King of Good thoughts in the second manvatara. He was born into the eighth manvatar as the incarnation of the eighth Manu. But he was so smart he wrote a book about his life so that others could learn what he learned, and he added that little curse / blessing bit so they'd have to come back and help out. Thus making more than one Savarni, in fact many many... I am totally speculating now. Just letting my mind go and letting ideas flow in. So PLEASE correct me if I went wrong. Markandeya includes a description of his life, because he knows that Savarni's all have similar life patterns. That is to say to be a Savarni you have to experience certain things. These experiences clear the way for consciousness to enter and truth to settle into the Savarni. Markandeya's was slated to die young, but because of his father's dedication to Shiva, Shiva & the Goddess save him and the Goddess gives him a blessing, to know her inside and out, so to speak. So off he goes, learns all he can of her through sadhana (internal or external or both) and then writes the Chandi. All Savarni's will experience a similar life pattern. Markandeya wrote it that way so they and others could recognize them. Markandeya is bloody brilliant. I wonder how old the Chandi is. Did he write it dead center in the middle of Kali Yuga just to prove he could? That's a master of masters. That's a powerful consciousness. I bow to Markandeya. Jai Markandeya! Jai Mai! Jai Swami Satyananda! Love, Brian At 05:46 PM 1/1/2004, you wrote: >Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who >became Savarni. > >What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became >who he is? > Links > > > / > > > > >Your > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Pranaam, Swamiji Just an initial response to your question, then more as I think about it: Savarni means, "He who belongs to all colors, tribes and castes." It is the name of the eighth manvantar, or ruler of the current mano, the current time or age. This time, this age, is in the spirit of Savarni, that is, wherein all colors, tribes & castes come together under One, where separation according to any such distinction disappears within this ruling spirit. When we also think of the recent avatars (that is, Buddha, Jesus, Ramakrishna, for example), we can also think of their manifestation and mission in that spirit--transcending all artificial distinctions--their teaching went beyond secularity, their words were of a transcendant God with Whom we all belong, with whom we all unite. Savarni came into being at the time the Chandi refers to--or the seeds for that manvantar came into being, from Surath, the King of Good Thoughts, who came under the tutelage of the rishi, Medhas, or the Intellect of Love. Together with the businessman, Samadhi, they grew in wisdom of Divine Mother, and did tapasya for her grace and vision, receiving boons from her. Surath's kingdom was restored, and from this seed later came Savarni. Could we all begin to wonder at this beginning, this root, of a current time ruled by he who belongs to all? We essentially all belong to each other, and this wisdom becomes clearer as we move deeply into ourselves through our devotion to Divine Mother, who IS All. Very beautiful question, I will consider some more later as well. Thank you! Nitya , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" < swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > became Savarni. > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Namaste Swamiji, This is my first cut at understanding Savarni and his role in the Chandi. We start out as Suraths , kings of our own minds lose our kingdoms , wander in the darkness , meet the Wisdom within , give ourselves to the Goddess , and end up as Savarni . Savarni represents ANY MAN - this is the story how ANY MAN can be transformed whatever be his color or creed. Like Maa once said "The chandi is the story of my life". To me, its the story of my life too. Savarni - Is a placeholder for the devotee's name reciting the Chandi. Love Latha , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" <swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > became Savarni. > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Namaste Swamiji, Blessed and Happy New Year. Sarvani - the 8th Manu - is the Manu for this present period of time. My understanding of Sarvani is that he belongs to all colors, tribes & castes and therefore sees the goal to all religions as one - to unite with The Source. Maha Chandi not only explains life's play, it also shows how purity of thoughts and total love for God can rid me of the demons of too much and too little; egotism; self-conceit and self deprecation; and re-unite me with the Divine. Sarvani re-united with his Divine-self, and for this reason I want to know exactly what he did to became who he is. Kali , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" <swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > became Savarni. > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Some more thoughts on this intriguing question... Several people have written that we become Savarni through our tapasya, our chanting of Chandi. I would wonder, then, to ask the question a little more deeply: how does this tapasya transform our confused, though well-meaning self, into the ruler of an age, belonging to all? do we transcend any separation, moving from small, ego-bound self to transcendent, universal Self, in the consciousness of which there is no separation, our small selves (and little thoughts, even though good) having then no meaning? Is true wisdom this--knowledge that "we" are nothing, and in this knowledge realizing we belong to all, and that ALL is the Mother of us all, the Divine Mother? Pondering Jai Maa Nitya , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > Pranaam, Swamiji > Just an initial response to your question, then more as I think about it: > > Savarni means, "He who belongs to all colors, tribes and castes." > It is the name of the eighth manvantar, or ruler of the current mano, the > current time or age. This time, this age, is in the spirit of Savarni, that is, > wherein all colors, tribes & castes come together under One, where > separation according to any such distinction disappears within this > ruling spirit. > When we also think of the recent avatars (that is, Buddha, Jesus, > Ramakrishna, for example), we can also think of their manifestation and > mission in that spirit--transcending all artificial distinctions--their teaching > went beyond secularity, their words were of a transcendant God with Whom > we all belong, with whom we all unite. > > Savarni came into being at the time the Chandi refers to--or the seeds for that > manvantar came into being, from Surath, the King of Good Thoughts, > who came under the tutelage of the rishi, Medhas, or the Intellect of Love. > Together with the businessman, Samadhi, they grew in wisdom of Divine > Mother, and did tapasya for her grace and vision, receiving boons from her. > Surath's kingdom was restored, and from this seed later came Savarni. > > Could we all begin to wonder at this beginning, this root, of a current time > ruled by he who belongs to all? We essentially all belong to each other, > and this wisdom becomes clearer as we move deeply into ourselves through > our devotion to Divine Mother, who IS All. > > Very beautiful question, I will consider some more later as well. > > Thank you! > Nitya , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" < > swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > > became Savarni. > > > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > > who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Through protracted Chandi practice we become evermore resolved. The clairity it brings us can become apparent to others as we go about in this often confused world. Feeling our bhav, others feel better as they too touch upon little pieces of clarity. In this way we can become one with all tribes. -- In , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > Some more thoughts on this intriguing question... > Several people have written that we become Savarni through our > tapasya, our chanting of Chandi. > I would wonder, then, to ask the question a little more deeply: > how does this tapasya transform our confused, though well-meaning self, into > the ruler of an age, belonging to all? > do we transcend any separation, moving from small, ego-bound self > to transcendent, universal Self, in the consciousness of which > there is no separation, our small selves (and little thoughts, even though > good) having then no meaning? > Is true wisdom this--knowledge that "we" are nothing, and in this knowledge > realizing we belong to all, and that ALL is the Mother of us all, the Divine > Mother? > Pondering > Jai Maa > Nitya , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > > Pranaam, Swamiji > > Just an initial response to your question, then more as I think about it: > > > > Savarni means, "He who belongs to all colors, tribes and castes." > > It is the name of the eighth manvantar, or ruler of the current mano, the > > current time or age. This time, this age, is in the spirit of Savarni, that is, > > wherein all colors, tribes & castes come together under One, where > > separation according to any such distinction disappears within this > > ruling spirit. > > When we also think of the recent avatars (that is, Buddha, Jesus, > > Ramakrishna, for example), we can also think of their manifestation and > > mission in that spirit--transcending all artificial distinctions-- their teaching > > went beyond secularity, their words were of a transcendant God with Whom > > we all belong, with whom we all unite. > > > > Savarni came into being at the time the Chandi refers to--or the seeds for > that > > manvantar came into being, from Surath, the King of Good Thoughts, > > who came under the tutelage of the rishi, Medhas, or the Intellect of Love. > > Together with the businessman, Samadhi, they grew in wisdom of Divine > > Mother, and did tapasya for her grace and vision, receiving boons from her. > > Surath's kingdom was restored, and from this seed later came Savarni. > > > > Could we all begin to wonder at this beginning, this root, of a current time > > ruled by he who belongs to all? We essentially all belong to each other, > > and this wisdom becomes clearer as we move deeply into ourselves > through > > our devotion to Divine Mother, who IS All. > > > > Very beautiful question, I will consider some more later as well. > > > > Thank you! > > Nitya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" < > > swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > > > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > > > became Savarni. > > > > > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > > > who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Nitya Devi, The following is all just my opinion. The Chandi is an allegory. What happens to everyone on the planet is the Chandi. The Chandi describes the process that we undergo as we mature, that is to say as we realize that what we are identifying with is not really who we are. As babies we start out identifying with our mothers. Everything they feel, we feel, everything they do, we emulate. Only when we first recgonize our hand do we realize that we are not our mothers. For some that may happen in the womb, for others many years later. And of course it doesn't happen instantaneously, the change of identification takes time. After a while of identifying with the objects around us, with the toys, the pacifiers, the food, etc, we realize that these objects are not us and we begin to identify ourselve with our thoughts and feelings, and with our bodies. Sometime these things happen in the opposite order and sometimes we identify with outside objects, then with thought only to fall into seeing ourselves in the objects we posess once again. Ultimately we all come to understand ourselves by the awareness that exists within us. Some take longer than others. The Chadi is a manual of how humans evolve. It is a writing that explains through allegory, metaphore, and analogy how humanity is growing and how a person finds awareness, the space between the thoughts. It is also a manual, when read backwards, of how humanity lost its true godhood during kaliyuga. The first thing to go was the sincerity and the humility, then each thought gained power. Every condition of desctruction (non-peace) on this planet can be traced to the ruinous nature of an untamed mind. Chandi is the goddess who destroys the thoughts, tames the mind, and eliminates the ego by bringing us into the present moment. Chandi is an energy, she is the awareness of awareness, the gift of our souls. And the "Durga Sapsati" is the story of that story. Which is the story of our story of the story of all creation. How does one hide consciousness from awareness? Maha Maya has that task, to test our awareness of consciousness. The thing that gets me about the story is how they understand the different Manvataras. How do they know about them, that they last for hundreds of thousands of years. How do they know? I'm guessing that they are so intuned with the universe that their minds can divine that truth and understand the ryhthms and cycles of Maha Maya. I hope to some day be that intuned with Maa. Great question. I look forward to other ideas and inspirations. Love, Brian nitya_ma <nitya_ma Jan 5, 2004 12:51 AM Re: Question for Group Some more thoughts on this intriguing question... Several people have written that we become Savarni through our tapasya, our chanting of Chandi. I would wonder, then, to ask the question a little more deeply: how does this tapasya transform our confused, though well-meaning self, into the ruler of an age, belonging to all? do we transcend any separation, moving from small, ego-bound self to transcendent, universal Self, in the consciousness of which there is no separation, our small selves (and little thoughts, even though good) having then no meaning? Is true wisdom this--knowledge that "we" are nothing, and in this knowledge realizing we belong to all, and that ALL is the Mother of us all, the Divine Mother? Pondering Jai Maa Nitya , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > Pranaam, Swamiji > Just an initial response to your question, then more as I think about it: > > Savarni means, "He who belongs to all colors, tribes and castes." > It is the name of the eighth manvantar, or ruler of the current mano, the > current time or age. This time, this age, is in the spirit of Savarni, that is, > wherein all colors, tribes & castes come together under One, where > separation according to any such distinction disappears within this > ruling spirit. > When we also think of the recent avatars (that is, Buddha, Jesus, > Ramakrishna, for example), we can also think of their manifestation and > mission in that spirit--transcending all artificial distinctions--their teaching > went beyond secularity, their words were of a transcendant God with Whom > we all belong, with whom we all unite. > > Savarni came into being at the time the Chandi refers to--or the seeds for that > manvantar came into being, from Surath, the King of Good Thoughts, > who came under the tutelage of the rishi, Medhas, or the Intellect of Love. > Together with the businessman, Samadhi, they grew in wisdom of Divine > Mother, and did tapasya for her grace and vision, receiving boons from her. > Surath's kingdom was restored, and from this seed later came Savarni. > > Could we all begin to wonder at this beginning, this root, of a current time > ruled by he who belongs to all? We essentially all belong to each other, > and this wisdom becomes clearer as we move deeply into ourselves through > our devotion to Divine Mother, who IS All. > > Very beautiful question, I will consider some more later as well. > > Thank you! > Nitya , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" < > swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > > became Savarni. > > > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > > who he is? / Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Perhaps this understanding may be corrected and this is my personal experience when I can't distingwish myself with anyone else in their happiness or worries or environment and at the same time nothing affects me emotionally and allows to have clear clarity of mind and at this stage no one can confuse too. Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 Nitya Ma, Myself, I can't imagine what kind of thinking goes on in the mind/ego consciousness of a manvantar, though certainly it must be highly inclusive. Chris , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > Some more thoughts on this intriguing question... > Several people have written that we become Savarni through our > tapasya, our chanting of Chandi. > I would wonder, then, to ask the question a little more deeply: > how does this tapasya transform our confused, though well-meaning self, into > the ruler of an age, belonging to all? > do we transcend any separation, moving from small, ego-bound self > to transcendent, universal Self, in the consciousness of which > there is no separation, our small selves (and little thoughts, even though > good) having then no meaning? > Is true wisdom this--knowledge that "we" are nothing, and in this knowledge > realizing we belong to all, and that ALL is the Mother of us all, the Divine > Mother? > Pondering > Jai Maa > Nitya , "nitya_ma" <nitya_ma> wrote: > > Pranaam, Swamiji > > Just an initial response to your question, then more as I think about it: > > > > Savarni means, "He who belongs to all colors, tribes and castes." > > It is the name of the eighth manvantar, or ruler of the current mano, the > > current time or age. This time, this age, is in the spirit of Savarni, that is, > > wherein all colors, tribes & castes come together under One, where > > separation according to any such distinction disappears within this > > ruling spirit. > > When we also think of the recent avatars (that is, Buddha, Jesus, > > Ramakrishna, for example), we can also think of their manifestation and > > mission in that spirit--transcending all artificial distinctions-- their teaching > > went beyond secularity, their words were of a transcendant God with Whom > > we all belong, with whom we all unite. > > > > Savarni came into being at the time the Chandi refers to--or the seeds for > that > > manvantar came into being, from Surath, the King of Good Thoughts, > > who came under the tutelage of the rishi, Medhas, or the Intellect of Love. > > Together with the businessman, Samadhi, they grew in wisdom of Divine > > Mother, and did tapasya for her grace and vision, receiving boons from her. > > Surath's kingdom was restored, and from this seed later came Savarni. > > > > Could we all begin to wonder at this beginning, this root, of a current time > > ruled by he who belongs to all? We essentially all belong to each other, > > and this wisdom becomes clearer as we move deeply into ourselves > through > > our devotion to Divine Mother, who IS All. > > > > Very beautiful question, I will consider some more later as well. > > > > Thank you! > > Nitya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "swami_satyanandasaraswati" < > > swami_satyanandasaraswati> wrote: > > > Chapter One of the Chandi begins telling the story of someone who > > > became Savarni. > > > > > > What or who is Savarni, and why would we want to know how he became > > > who he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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