Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you. only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." Dear Bingo, I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't think that one negates the other...thank goodness. best regards, sadhvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 hi nityashakti the source of words is very important. there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart. basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source or an interpretation? this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly known. so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. peace. steve , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote: > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you. > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > Dear Bingo, > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > best regards, > sadhvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Well said and so true, though I would appreciate if Feuerstein would be more truthful and less fond of exaggeration and fantasy passed off as truth. - nityashakti Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:44 PM RE: message on guru/disciple relationship "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."Dear Bingo, I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't think that one negates the other...thank goodness.best regards,sadhviTo visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Steve and Sadvi, I too have been very careful about whose writings I have absorbed myself in as part of my sadhana. More so, I think, in years past than presently, but I am still rather picky about whom I trust. I think this is a natural and even beneficial progression. When I was new to the whole Eastern yoga thing it was vital that I learn only from the purest sources (to the extent I could discern them). As the years passed and my own light (such as it is) grew, I think I have become more able to discern the light of the author and glean what is there that is pure. This doesn't mean I'm no longer picky about whom I read and trust, but that my standards seem to have broadened somewhat. There is a version of the fly, the ant, and the bee, story. There are three kinds of spiritual aspirants. The first is like the fly. He goes anywhere, without discernment as to purity. The second is like the ant. He can discern a pure source of spiritual food, but he cannot differentiate. He can get his food from only one source at a time. The third type of aspirant is like the bee, who is able to discern the purity of the nectar of truth in many different flowers, taking something from them all. As an afterthought, let me say that I think personal self-realization is not necessarily a vital attribute before an author can write a truly inspiring spiritual book. I think an author whose heart rests in the lap of God or guru can convey God's, or the guru's, inspiration through her words. Chris <bingo_ridley> wrote: > hi nityashakti > > the source of words is very important. > > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. > > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > doing, or yielding to the heart. > > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to > listen to the source or an interpretation? > > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that > is not so commonly known. > > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. > > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. > > peace. > > steve > > > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> > wrote: > > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell > you. > > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > > > Dear Bingo, > > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and > knowledge > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with > living > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I > don't > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > > best regards, > > sadhvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 hmm that makes sense chris steve c. , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Steve and Sadvi, > > I too have been very careful about whose writings I have absorbed > myself in as part of my sadhana. More so, I think, in years past than > presently, but I am still rather picky about whom I trust. I think > this is a natural and even beneficial progression. > > When I was new to the whole Eastern yoga thing it was vital that I > learn only from the purest sources (to the extent I could discern > them). As the years passed and my own light (such as it is) grew, I > think I have become more able to discern the light of the author and > glean what is there that is pure. This doesn't mean I'm no longer > picky about whom I read and trust, but that my standards seem to have > broadened somewhat. > > There is a version of the fly, the ant, and the bee, story. There are > three kinds of spiritual aspirants. The first is like the fly. He > goes anywhere, without discernment as to purity. The second is like > the ant. He can discern a pure source of spiritual food, but he > cannot differentiate. He can get his food from only one source at a > time. The third type of aspirant is like the bee, who is able to > discern the purity of the nectar of truth in many different flowers, > taking something from them all. > > As an afterthought, let me say that I think personal self- realization > is not necessarily a vital attribute before an author can write a > truly inspiring spiritual book. I think an author whose heart rests > in the lap of God or guru can convey God's, or the guru's, > inspiration through her words. > > Chris > > > <bingo_ridley> wrote: > > hi nityashakti > > > > the source of words is very important. > > > > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they > > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are > > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. > > > > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire > > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > > doing, or yielding to the heart. > > > > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to > > listen to the source or an interpretation? > > > > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. > > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that > > is not so commonly known. > > > > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. > > > > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to > > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. > > > > peace. > > > > steve > > > > > > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> > > wrote: > > > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell > > you. > > > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > > > > > Dear Bingo, > > > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and > > knowledge > > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with > > living > > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I > > don't > > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > > > best regards, > > > sadhvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Thanks, Chris. That's a good one. "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 > Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:57:14 -0000 Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Steve and Sadvi, I too have been very careful about whose writings I have absorbed myself in as part of my sadhana. More so, I think, in years past than presently, but I am still rather picky about whom I trust. I think this is a natural and even beneficial progression. When I was new to the whole Eastern yoga thing it was vital that I learn only from the purest sources (to the extent I could discern them). As the years passed and my own light (such as it is) grew, I think I have become more able to discern the light of the author and glean what is there that is pure. This doesn't mean I'm no longer picky about whom I read and trust, but that my standards seem to have broadened somewhat. There is a version of the fly, the ant, and the bee, story. There are three kinds of spiritual aspirants. The first is like the fly. He goes anywhere, without discernment as to purity. The second is like the ant. He can discern a pure source of spiritual food, but he cannot differentiate. He can get his food from only one source at a time. The third type of aspirant is like the bee, who is able to discern the purity of the nectar of truth in many different flowers, taking something from them all. As an afterthought, let me say that I think personal self-realization is not necessarily a vital attribute before an author can write a truly inspiring spiritual book. I think an author whose heart rests in the lap of God or guru can convey God's, or the guru's, inspiration through her words. Chris <bingo_ridley> wrote: > hi nityashakti > > the source of words is very important. > > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. > > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > doing, or yielding to the heart. > > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to > listen to the source or an interpretation? > > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that > is not so commonly known. > > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. > > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. > > peace. > > steve > > > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> > wrote: > > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell > you. > > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > > > Dear Bingo, > > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and > knowledge > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with > living > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I > don't > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > > best regards, > > sadhvi / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Hari Om Friends, I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of?? In love and light, Lynne PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! - bingo_ridley Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re: message on guru/disciple relationship hi nityashaktithe source of words is very important.there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart.basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source or an interpretation?this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly known.so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.peace.steve--- In , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:> "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.> only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > Dear Bingo,> I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> best regards,> sadhviTo visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2004 Report Share Posted January 29, 2004 Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor transforming." Jai Maa !!! "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500 <> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Hari Om Friends, I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of?? In love and light, Lynne PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! - bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re: message on guru/disciple relationship hi nityashakti the source of words is very important. there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart. basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source or an interpretation? this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly known. so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. peace. steve , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote: > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you. > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > Dear Bingo, > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > best regards, > sadhvi / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 it seems totally 'ok' to be in duality, in that, we already are, at a pre-cognitive level -- and more -- despite what we might say or think ... but! worship, although it appears dual, is our "easy" bridge to the non-dual ... not as a concept only, but as a vivid experience. and who does the transforming of who/what? we could say, we do that work, with effort on our limited self, but we don't really know .... it could appear to be effort now, and later clearly be god's global action. even logically action is not our own action ... but in spite of that, the more energy we put into that transformation [sadhana] the better. curious! steve c. , "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote: > > Hari Om Friends, > > I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of?? > In love and light, > Lynne > > PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! > - > bingo_ridley > > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM > Re: message on guru/disciple relationship > > > hi nityashakti > > the source of words is very important. > > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. > > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > doing, or yielding to the heart. > > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to > listen to the source or an interpretation? > > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that > is not so commonly known. > > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. > > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. > > peace. > > steve > > > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> > wrote: > > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell > you. > > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > > > Dear Bingo, > > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and > knowledge > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with > living > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I > don't > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > > best regards, > > sadhvi > > > > > - ----------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Dear Ardis, Thank you for responding! It's just that this word "transformation" keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle confused. I hear people talking about transformation but I don't understand what is transforming about me. I know my behavior, my thought processes and my language has changed over the course of this spiritual journey but what is it that is changing into something else? Any ideas? Sweet Blessings, Lynne - Ardis Jackson Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PM Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor transforming." Jai Maa !!! "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500To: <>Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Hari Om Friends,I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of??In love and light,LynnePS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! - bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re: message on guru/disciple relationshiphi nityashaktithe source of words is very important.there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart.basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source or an interpretation?this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly known.so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.peace.steve--- In , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:> "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.> only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > Dear Bingo,> I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> best regards,> sadhvi / To from this group, send an email to: <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Dear Steve, Thank you. The transformation is the sadhana. That is a great way to look at it! Jai Maa, Namaste, Lynne - bingo_ridley Friday, January 30, 2004 1:03 AM Re: message on guru/disciple relationship it seems totally 'ok' to be in duality, in that, we already are, at a pre-cognitive level -- and more -- despite what we might say or think .... but! worship, although it appears dual, is our "easy" bridge to the non-dual ... not as a concept only, but as a vivid experience.and who does the transforming of who/what? we could say, we do that work, with effort on our limited self, but we don't really know... it could appear to be effort now, and later clearly be god's global action.even logically action is not our own action ... but in spite of that, the more energy we put into that transformation [sadhana] the better. curious!steve c., "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote:> > Hari Om Friends,> > I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of??> In love and light,> Lynne> > PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful!> - > bingo_ridley > > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM> Re: message on guru/disciple relationship> > > hi nityashakti> > the source of words is very important.> > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.> > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > doing, or yielding to the heart.> > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to > listen to the source or an interpretation?> > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that > is not so commonly known.> > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.> > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.> > peace.> > steve> > > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> > wrote:> > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell > you.> > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > > > Dear Bingo,> > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and > knowledge > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with > living > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I > don't > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> > best regards,> > sadhvi> > > > > > Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > b.. > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 My view, not necessarily correct, is that the Self never changes. The transformation is the removal of the veils that appear to separate our individual being from the goal of being One with the Self. The fire of tapas (sadhana), the joy of worship, the reading of stories about the munis, rishis, gurus and Avatars, the application of Divine Love to our daily lives... all this dissolves the veils and propels us into Satchidananda... to the goal of Divine Union. Sweet blessings to you, Ardis "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:57:17 -0500 <> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Dear Ardis, Thank you for responding! It's just that this word "transformation" keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle confused. I hear people talking about transformation but I don't understand what is transforming about me. I know my behavior, my thought processes and my language has changed over the course of this spiritual journey but what is it that is changing into something else? Any ideas? Sweet Blessings, Lynne - Ardis Jackson <anandamama (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PM Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor transforming." Jai Maa !!! "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500 <> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Hari Om Friends, I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of?? In love and light, Lynne PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! - bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re: message on guru/disciple relationship hi nityashakti the source of words is very important. there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart. basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source or an interpretation? this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly known. so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. peace. steve , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote: > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you. > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > Dear Bingo, > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > best regards, > sadhvi / To from this group, send an email to: <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Thank you!! Lynne - Ardis Jackson Friday, January 30, 2004 2:12 PM Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship My view, not necessarily correct, is that the Self never changes. The transformation is the removal of the veils that appear to separate our individual being from the goal of being One with the Self. The fire of tapas (sadhana), the joy of worship, the reading of stories about the munis, rishis, gurus and Avatars, the application of Divine Love to our daily lives... all this dissolves the veils and propels us into Satchidananda... to the goal of Divine Union.Sweet blessings to you,Ardis "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:57:17 -0500To: <>Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Dear Ardis,Thank you for responding! It's just that this word "transformation" keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle confused. I hear people talking about transformation but I don't understand what is transforming about me. I know my behavior, my thought processes and my language has changed over the course of this spiritual journey but what is it that is changing into something else? Any ideas?Sweet Blessings,Lynne - Ardis Jackson <anandamama (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PMRe: Re: message on guru/disciple relationshipGood point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor transforming." Jai Maa !!! "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500To: <>Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship Hari Om Friends,I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of??In love and light,LynnePS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! - bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re: message on guru/disciple relationshiphi nityashaktithe source of words is very important.there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart.basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source or an interpretation?this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly known.so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.peace.steve--- In , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:> "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.> only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > Dear Bingo,> I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> best regards,> sadhvi / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / To from this group, send an email to: <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 Of course 'SOUL' or Self never changes for it is ihernetly Satchitananda. It is the outer veils or dross which prevents one from realising this truth. All the sadhana is to remove this veil of dross over the individual mind and intellect. Shree Ramakrishna used to say "pure mind, pure intellect and soul are one and the same thing". In Shiva Purana it is stated that japa of 'Namaha Shivaya' (Om Namaha Shivaya) would first purify the mind, then other steps follow till one overcomes ego and merges with the Universal Consciousness and becomes a 'jeewan mukta'.(Chapter 17) Chaitaneya , "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote: > Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationshipThank you!! > Lynne > - > Ardis Jackson > > Friday, January 30, 2004 2:12 PM > Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship > > > My view, not necessarily correct, is that the Self never changes. The transformation is the removal of the veils that appear to separate our individual being from the goal of being One with the Self. The fire of tapas (sadhana), the joy of worship, the reading of stories about the munis, rishis, gurus and Avatars, the application of Divine Love to our daily lives... all this dissolves the veils and propels us into Satchidananda... to the goal of Divine Union. > > Sweet blessings to you, > > Ardis > > > "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> > > Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:57:17 -0500 > <> > Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship > > > > > Dear Ardis, > Thank you for responding! It's just that this word "transformation" keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle confused. I hear people talking about transformation but I don't understand what is transforming about me. I know my behavior, my thought processes and my language has changed over the course of this spiritual journey but what is it that is changing into something else? Any ideas? > Sweet Blessings, > Lynne > > - > Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> > > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PM > Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship > > Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor transforming." Jai Maa !!! > > > "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> > > Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500 > <> > Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship > > > > > > Hari Om Friends, > > I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation that people are speaking of?? > In love and light, > Lynne > > PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual information and advice it so useful! > > - > bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley> > > Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM > Re: message on guru/disciple relationship > > hi nityashakti > > the source of words is very important. > > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life. > > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > doing, or yielding to the heart. > > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to > listen to the source or an interpretation? > > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that > is not so commonly known. > > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest. > > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path. > > peace. > > steve > > > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> > wrote: > > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell > you. > > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..." > > > > Dear Bingo, > > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and > knowledge > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with > living > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I > don't > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness. > > best regards, > > sadhvi > > > > > - --- > > > Links > > > b.. / > c.. > d.. > e.. <?subject=Un> > f.. > g.. Terms of Service <> . > > > > > > - ----- > > > Links > > > b.. / > c.. > d.. > e.. <?subject=Un> > f.. > g.. Terms of Service <> . - ------- > > Links > > > b.. / > c.. > d.. > e.. <?subject=Un> > f.. > g.. Terms of Service <> . > > > > > > - --------- > > Links > > > b.. / > c.. > d.. > e.. <?subject=Un> > f.. > g.. Terms of Service <> . > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > - ----------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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