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"...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.

only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

 

Dear Bingo,

I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual

state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge

and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George

Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual".

Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and,

also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living

saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't

think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

best regards,

sadhvi

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hi nityashakti

 

the source of words is very important.

 

there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they

have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

 

when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire

and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a

difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of

doing, or yielding to the heart.

 

basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to

listen to the source or an interpretation?

 

this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers.

there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that

is not so commonly known.

 

so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of

preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

 

life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

 

peace.

 

steve

 

 

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

wrote:

> "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell

you.

> only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

>

> Dear Bingo,

> I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual

> state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

knowledge

> and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George

> Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual".

> Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and,

> also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

living

> saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

don't

> think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> best regards,

> sadhvi

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Well said and so true, though I would appreciate if Feuerstein would

be more truthful and less fond of exaggeration and fantasy passed off

as truth.

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nityashakti

Wednesday, January 28, 2004 3:44 PM

RE: message on guru/disciple relationship

"...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell

you.only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."Dear Bingo, I feel

really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual state,

especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge and has

been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George Feuerstein

has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". Hopefully, we

are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, also, fortunate

enough to have had the blessing of being with living saints. I

understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't think that

one negates the other...thank goodness.best regards,sadhviTo visit your group on the web, go

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Steve and Sadvi,

 

I too have been very careful about whose writings I have absorbed

myself in as part of my sadhana. More so, I think, in years past than

presently, but I am still rather picky about whom I trust. I think

this is a natural and even beneficial progression.

 

When I was new to the whole Eastern yoga thing it was vital that I

learn only from the purest sources (to the extent I could discern

them). As the years passed and my own light (such as it is) grew, I

think I have become more able to discern the light of the author and

glean what is there that is pure. This doesn't mean I'm no longer

picky about whom I read and trust, but that my standards seem to have

broadened somewhat.

 

There is a version of the fly, the ant, and the bee, story. There are

three kinds of spiritual aspirants. The first is like the fly. He

goes anywhere, without discernment as to purity. The second is like

the ant. He can discern a pure source of spiritual food, but he

cannot differentiate. He can get his food from only one source at a

time. The third type of aspirant is like the bee, who is able to

discern the purity of the nectar of truth in many different flowers,

taking something from them all.

 

As an afterthought, let me say that I think personal self-realization

is not necessarily a vital attribute before an author can write a

truly inspiring spiritual book. I think an author whose heart rests

in the lap of God or guru can convey God's, or the guru's,

inspiration through her words.

 

Chris

 

 

<bingo_ridley> wrote:

> hi nityashakti

>

> the source of words is very important.

>

> there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they

> have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

> like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

>

> when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire

> and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a

> difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of

> doing, or yielding to the heart.

>

> basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to

> listen to the source or an interpretation?

>

> this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers.

> there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that

> is not so commonly known.

>

> so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of

> preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

>

> life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

> tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

>

> peace.

>

> steve

>

>

> , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

> wrote:

> > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell

> you.

> > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

> >

> > Dear Bingo,

> > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual

> > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

> knowledge

> > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George

> > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual".

> > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and,

> > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

> living

> > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

> don't

> > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> > best regards,

> > sadhvi

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hmm that makes sense chris

 

steve c.

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

> Steve and Sadvi,

>

> I too have been very careful about whose writings I have absorbed

> myself in as part of my sadhana. More so, I think, in years past

than

> presently, but I am still rather picky about whom I trust. I think

> this is a natural and even beneficial progression.

>

> When I was new to the whole Eastern yoga thing it was vital that I

> learn only from the purest sources (to the extent I could discern

> them). As the years passed and my own light (such as it is) grew,

I

> think I have become more able to discern the light of the author

and

> glean what is there that is pure. This doesn't mean I'm no longer

> picky about whom I read and trust, but that my standards seem to

have

> broadened somewhat.

>

> There is a version of the fly, the ant, and the bee, story. There

are

> three kinds of spiritual aspirants. The first is like the fly. He

> goes anywhere, without discernment as to purity. The second is

like

> the ant. He can discern a pure source of spiritual food, but he

> cannot differentiate. He can get his food from only one source at

a

> time. The third type of aspirant is like the bee, who is able to

> discern the purity of the nectar of truth in many different

flowers,

> taking something from them all.

>

> As an afterthought, let me say that I think personal self-

realization

> is not necessarily a vital attribute before an author can write a

> truly inspiring spiritual book. I think an author whose heart

rests

> in the lap of God or guru can convey God's, or the guru's,

> inspiration through her words.

>

> Chris

>

>

> <bingo_ridley> wrote:

> > hi nityashakti

> >

> > the source of words is very important.

> >

> > there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things.

they

> > have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

> > like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

> >

> > when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the

fire

> > and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is

a

> > difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth

of

> > doing, or yielding to the heart.

> >

> > basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want

to

> > listen to the source or an interpretation?

> >

> > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other

writers.

> > there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way

that

> > is not so commonly known.

> >

> > so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter

of

> > preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

> >

> > life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

> > tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

> >

> > peace.

> >

> > steve

> >

> >

> > , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

> > wrote:

> > > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't

tell

> > you.

> > > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

> > >

> > > Dear Bingo,

> > > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's

spiritual

> > > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

> > knowledge

> > > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as

George

> > > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is

not "spriritual".

> > > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information

and,

> > > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

> > living

> > > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

> > don't

> > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> > > best regards,

> > > sadhvi

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Thanks, Chris. That's a good one.

"Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956 >

Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:57:14 -0000

Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

Steve and Sadvi,

I too have been very careful about whose writings I have absorbed

myself in as part of my sadhana. More so, I think, in years past than

presently, but I am still rather picky about whom I trust. I think

this is a natural and even beneficial progression.

When I was new to the whole Eastern yoga thing it was vital that I

learn only from the purest sources (to the extent I could discern

them). As the years passed and my own light (such as it is) grew, I

think I have become more able to discern the light of the author and

glean what is there that is pure. This doesn't mean I'm no longer

picky about whom I read and trust, but that my standards seem to have

broadened somewhat.

There is a version of the fly, the ant, and the bee, story. There are

three kinds of spiritual aspirants. The first is like the fly. He

goes anywhere, without discernment as to purity. The second is like

the ant. He can discern a pure source of spiritual food, but he

cannot differentiate. He can get his food from only one source at a

time. The third type of aspirant is like the bee, who is able to

discern the purity of the nectar of truth in many different flowers,

taking something from them all.

As an afterthought, let me say that I think personal self-realization

is not necessarily a vital attribute before an author can write a

truly inspiring spiritual book. I think an author whose heart rests

in the lap of God or guru can convey God's, or the guru's,

inspiration through her words.

Chris

<bingo_ridley> wrote:

> hi nityashakti

>

> the source of words is very important.

>

> there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they

> have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

> like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

>

> when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire

> and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a

> difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of

> doing, or yielding to the heart.

>

> basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to

> listen to the source or an interpretation?

>

> this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers.

> there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that

> is not so commonly known.

>

> so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of

> preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

>

> life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

> tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

>

> peace.

>

> steve

>

>

> , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

> wrote:

> > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell

> you.

> > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

> >

> > Dear Bingo,

> > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual

> > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

> knowledge

> > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George

> > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual".

> > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and,

> > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

> living

> > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

> don't

> > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> > best regards,

> > sadhvi

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Hari Om Friends,

I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or

who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really

"transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back

to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my

physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me

that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need

for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation

that people are speaking of??

In love and light,

Lynne

PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual

information and advice it so useful!

-

bingo_ridley

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM

Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

hi nityashaktithe source of words is very important.there are many,

many, people who write about spiritual things. they have an ability

to put words together. but in many ways they are like the vp of

marketing in their personal or business life.when someone like maa

comes along who has walked through the fire and transformed herself

so remarkably, we take notice. there is a difference you see, between

writing and speaking, and the depth of doing, or yielding to the

heart.basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you

want to listen to the source or an interpretation?this in no way is

intended "against" fuerstein and other writers. there is a web of

connections between these fellows by the way that is not so commonly

known.so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter

of preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.life is

short, so very short. there are so many who want to tell us the way.

so very few have walked so far down the path.peace.steve--- In

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:>

"...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.>

only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > Dear Bingo,> I feel

really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state,

especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and

has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George >

Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". >

Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, >

also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living

> saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't

> think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> best regards,>

sadhviTo visit your group on the web, go

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Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved

Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor

transforming." Jai Maa !!!

"Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>

Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500

<>

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Hari Om Friends,

I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or

who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really

"transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back

to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my

physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me

that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need

for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation

that people are speaking of??

In love and light,

Lynne

PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual

information and advice it so useful!

-

bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley >

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM

Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

hi nityashakti

the source of words is very important.

there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they

have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire

and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a

difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of

doing, or yielding to the heart.

basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to

listen to the source or an interpretation?

this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers.

there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that

is not so commonly known.

so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of

preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

peace.

steve

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

wrote:

> "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell

you.

> only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

>

> Dear Bingo,

> I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual

> state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

knowledge

> and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George

> Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual".

> Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and,

> also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

living

> saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

don't

> think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> best regards,

> sadhvi

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it seems totally 'ok' to be in duality, in that, we already are, at

a pre-cognitive level -- and more -- despite what we might say or

think ... but! worship, although it appears dual, is our "easy"

bridge to the non-dual ... not as a concept only, but as a vivid

experience.

 

and who does the transforming of who/what? we could say, we do that

work, with effort on our limited self, but we don't really know

....

it could appear to be effort now, and later clearly be god's global

action.

 

even logically action is not our own action ... but in spite of

that, the more energy we put into that transformation [sadhana] the

better. curious!

 

steve c.

 

 

, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...>

wrote:

>

> Hari Om Friends,

>

> I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what

or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess

really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we

are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify

with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part

of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no

need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this

transformation that people are speaking of??

> In love and light,

> Lynne

>

> PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of

spiritual information and advice it so useful!

> -

> bingo_ridley

>

> Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM

> Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

>

>

> hi nityashakti

>

> the source of words is very important.

>

> there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things.

they

> have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

> like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

>

> when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the

fire

> and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is

a

> difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth

of

> doing, or yielding to the heart.

>

> basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want

to

> listen to the source or an interpretation?

>

> this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other

writers.

> there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way

that

> is not so commonly known.

>

> so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter

of

> preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

>

> life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

> tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

>

> peace.

>

> steve

>

>

> , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

> wrote:

> > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't

tell

> you.

> > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

> >

> > Dear Bingo,

> > I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's

spiritual

> > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

> knowledge

> > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as

George

> > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is

not "spriritual".

> > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information

and,

> > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

> living

> > saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

> don't

> > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> > best regards,

> > sadhvi

>

>

>

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Dear Ardis,

Thank you for responding! It's just that this word "transformation"

keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle confused. I hear

people talking about transformation but I don't understand what is

transforming about me. I know my behavior, my thought processes and

my language has changed over the course of this spiritual journey but

what is it that is changing into something else? Any ideas?

Sweet Blessings,

Lynne

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Ardis Jackson

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PM

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Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved

Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor

transforming." Jai Maa !!!

"Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500To:

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on guru/disciple relationship

Hari Om Friends,I'm following this discussion line with great

interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved

guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability?

If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't

identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering?

The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already

knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this

transformation that people are speaking of??In love and

light,LynnePS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources

of spiritual information and advice it so useful!

- bingo_ridley

<bingo_ridley >

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re:

message on guru/disciple relationshiphi nityashaktithe source of

words is very important.there are many, many, people who write about

spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in

many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or

business life.when someone like maa comes along who has walked

through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take

notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking,

and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart.basically it comes

down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source

or an interpretation?this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein

and other writers. there is a web of connections between these

fellows by the way that is not so commonly known.so this is not a

matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your

intelligence and heart for the highest.life is short, so very short.

there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have

walked so far down the path.peace.steve--- In

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:>

"...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.>

only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > Dear Bingo,> I feel

really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state,

especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and

has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George >

Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". >

Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, >

also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living

> saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't

> think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> best regards,>

sadhvi

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Dear Steve,

Thank you. The transformation is the sadhana. That is a great way to look at it!

Jai Maa,

Namaste, Lynne

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bingo_ridley

Friday, January 30, 2004 1:03 AM

Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

it seems totally 'ok' to be in duality, in that, we already are, at a

pre-cognitive level -- and more -- despite what we might say or think

.... but! worship, although it appears dual, is our "easy" bridge to

the non-dual ... not as a concept only, but as a vivid experience.and

who does the transforming of who/what? we could say, we do that work,

with effort on our limited self, but we don't really know... it could

appear to be effort now, and later clearly be god's global action.even

logically action is not our own action ... but in spite of that, the

more energy we put into that transformation [sadhana] the better.

curious!steve c., "Lynne McKinnon"

<omgirl@p...> wrote:> > Hari Om Friends,> > I'm following this

discussion line with great interest. Just what or who is

transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really

"transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back

to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my

physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me

that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need

for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation

that people are speaking of??> In love and light,> Lynne> > PS: I

totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual

information and advice it so useful!> -

> bingo_ridley > > Sent:

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM> Re:

message on guru/disciple relationship> > > hi nityashakti> > the

source of words is very important.> > there are many, many, people

who write about spiritual things. they > have an ability to put

words together. but in many ways they are > like the vp of

marketing in their personal or business life.> > when someone like

maa comes along who has walked through the fire > and transformed

herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a > difference you

see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of > doing, or

yielding to the heart.> > basically it comes down to the saint and

the pundit. do you want to > listen to the source or an

interpretation?> > this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein

and other writers. > there is a web of connections between these

fellows by the way that > is not so commonly known.> > so this is

not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of > preserving

your intelligence and heart for the highest.> > life is short, so

very short. there are so many who want to > tell us the way. so

very few have walked so far down the path.> > peace.> > steve> >

> , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> >

wrote:> > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein

can't tell > you.> > only a spiritual person like maa can. ...">

> > > Dear Bingo,> > I feel really uncomfortable judging

another person's spiritual > > state, especially someone who is

filled with devotion and > knowledge > > and has been such a

great help to so many sadhakas ( as George > > Feuerstein has)...

or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". > > Hopefully, we are

all "spiritual people" sharing information and, > > also, fortunate

enough to have had the blessing of being with > living > >

saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I >

don't > > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> >

best regards,> > sadhvi> > > > >

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My view, not necessarily correct, is that the Self never changes. The

transformation is the removal of the veils that appear to separate our

individual being from the goal of being One with the Self. The fire

of tapas (sadhana), the joy of worship, the reading of stories about

the munis, rishis, gurus and Avatars, the application of Divine Love

to our daily lives... all this dissolves the veils and propels us

into Satchidananda... to the goal of Divine Union.

Sweet blessings to you,

Ardis

"Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>

Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:57:17 -0500

<>

Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

Dear Ardis,

Thank you for responding! It's just that this word "transformation"

keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle confused. I hear

people talking about transformation but I don't understand what is

transforming about me. I know my behavior, my thought processes and

my language has changed over the course of this spiritual journey but

what is it that is changing into something else? Any ideas?

Sweet Blessings,

Lynne

-

Ardis Jackson <anandamama (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PM

Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature, beloved

Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor

transforming." Jai Maa !!!

"Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>

Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500

<>

Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

Hari Om Friends,

I'm following this discussion line with great interest. Just what or

who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and Goddess really

"transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so, then we are back

to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't identify with my

physical or mental self, then who is remembering? The part of me

that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already knows--no need

for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this transformation

that people are speaking of??

In love and light,

Lynne

PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources of spiritual

information and advice it so useful!

-

bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley >

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM

Re: message on guru/disciple relationship

hi nityashakti

the source of words is very important.

there are many, many, people who write about spiritual things. they

have an ability to put words together. but in many ways they are

like the vp of marketing in their personal or business life.

when someone like maa comes along who has walked through the fire

and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice. there is a

difference you see, between writing and speaking, and the depth of

doing, or yielding to the heart.

basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to

listen to the source or an interpretation?

this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other writers.

there is a web of connections between these fellows by the way that

is not so commonly known.

so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of

preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

life is short, so very short. there are so many who want to

tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the path.

peace.

steve

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

wrote:

> "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell

you.

> only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

>

> Dear Bingo,

> I feel really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual

> state, especially someone who is filled with devotion and

knowledge

> and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George

> Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual".

> Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and,

> also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with

living

> saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I

don't

> think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> best regards,

> sadhvi

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Thank you!!

Lynne

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Ardis Jackson

Friday, January 30, 2004 2:12 PM

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My view, not necessarily correct, is that the Self never changes. The

transformation is the removal of the veils that appear to separate our

individual being from the goal of being One with the Self. The fire

of tapas (sadhana), the joy of worship, the reading of stories about

the munis, rishis, gurus and Avatars, the application of Divine Love

to our daily lives... all this dissolves the veils and propels us

into Satchidananda... to the goal of Divine Union.Sweet blessings to

you,Ardis

"Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:57:17 -0500To:

<>Re: Re: message

on guru/disciple relationship

Dear Ardis,Thank you for responding! It's just that this word

"transformation" keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle

confused. I hear people talking about transformation but I don't

understand what is transforming about me. I know my behavior, my

thought processes and my language has changed over the course of this

spiritual journey but what is it that is changing into something else?

Any ideas?Sweet Blessings,Lynne

- Ardis Jackson

<anandamama (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PMRe:

Re: message on guru/disciple relationshipGood point, Lynne. "The

part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All, already

knows-- no need for remembering nor transforming." Jai Maa !!!

"Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net>

Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500To:

<>Re: Re: message

on guru/disciple relationship

Hari Om Friends,I'm following this discussion line with great

interest. Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved

guru and Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability?

If so, then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't

identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering?

The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already

knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this

transformation that people are speaking of??In love and

light,LynnePS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources

of spiritual information and advice it so useful!

- bingo_ridley

<bingo_ridley >

Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM Re:

message on guru/disciple relationshiphi nityashaktithe source of

words is very important.there are many, many, people who write about

spiritual things. they have an ability to put words together. but in

many ways they are like the vp of marketing in their personal or

business life.when someone like maa comes along who has walked

through the fire and transformed herself so remarkably, we take

notice. there is a difference you see, between writing and speaking,

and the depth of doing, or yielding to the heart.basically it comes

down to the saint and the pundit. do you want to listen to the source

or an interpretation?this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein

and other writers. there is a web of connections between these

fellows by the way that is not so commonly known.so this is not a

matter of being against anyone, it is a matter of preserving your

intelligence and heart for the highest.life is short, so very short.

there are so many who want to tell us the way. so very few have

walked so far down the path.peace.steve--- In

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:>

"...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein can't tell you.>

only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."> > Dear Bingo,> I feel

really uncomfortable judging another person's spiritual > state,

especially someone who is filled with devotion and knowledge > and

has been such a great help to so many sadhakas ( as George >

Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is not "spriritual". >

Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing information and, >

also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of being with living

> saints. I understand your point about Maa very clearly but I don't

> think that one negates the other...thank goodness.> best regards,>

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Of course 'SOUL' or Self never changes for it is ihernetly

Satchitananda. It is the outer veils or dross which prevents one

from realising this truth. All the sadhana is to remove this veil of

dross over the individual mind and intellect.

Shree Ramakrishna used to say "pure mind, pure intellect and soul

are one and the same thing".

In Shiva Purana it is stated that japa of 'Namaha Shivaya' (Om

Namaha Shivaya) would first purify the mind, then other steps follow

till one overcomes ego and merges with the Universal Consciousness

and becomes a 'jeewan mukta'.(Chapter 17)

Chaitaneya

 

, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...>

wrote:

> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple relationshipThank

you!!

> Lynne

> -

> Ardis Jackson

>

> Friday, January 30, 2004 2:12 PM

> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple

relationship

>

>

> My view, not necessarily correct, is that the Self never

changes. The transformation is the removal of the veils that appear

to separate our individual being from the goal of being One with the

Self. The fire of tapas (sadhana), the joy of worship, the reading

of stories about the munis, rishis, gurus and Avatars, the

application of Divine Love to our daily lives... all this dissolves

the veils and propels us into Satchidananda... to the goal of Divine

Union.

>

> Sweet blessings to you,

>

> Ardis

>

>

> "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...>

>

> Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:57:17 -0500

> <>

> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple

relationship

>

>

>

>

> Dear Ardis,

> Thank you for responding! It's just that this

word "transformation" keeps coming across my radar. I feel alittle

confused. I hear people talking about transformation but I don't

understand what is transforming about me. I know my behavior, my

thought processes and my language has changed over the course of

this spiritual journey but what is it that is changing into

something else? Any ideas?

> Sweet Blessings,

> Lynne

>

> -

> Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...>

>

> Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:47 PM

> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple

relationship

>

> Good point, Lynne. "The part of me that is my true nature,

beloved Self of All, already knows-- no need for remembering nor

transforming." Jai Maa !!!

>

>

> "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...>

>

> Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:45:46 -0500

> <>

> Re: Re: message on guru/disciple

relationship

>

>

>

>

>

> Hari Om Friends,

>

> I'm following this discussion line with great interest.

Just what or who is transforming? Did Shree Maa, beloved guru and

Goddess really "transform herself"? Do i have that ability? If so,

then we are back to duality. If I remember who I am, and don't

identify with my physical or mental self, then who is remembering?

The part of me that is my true nature, beloved Self of All already

knows--no need for remembering, nor transforming. So what is this

transformation that people are speaking of??

> In love and light,

> Lynne

>

> PS: I totally agree that discernment concerning sources

of spiritual information and advice it so useful!

>

> -

> bingo_ridley <bingo_ridley>

>

> Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:41 AM

> Re: message on guru/disciple

relationship

>

> hi nityashakti

>

> the source of words is very important.

>

> there are many, many, people who write about spiritual

things. they

> have an ability to put words together. but in many ways

they are

> like the vp of marketing in their personal or business

life.

>

> when someone like maa comes along who has walked through

the fire

> and transformed herself so remarkably, we take notice.

there is a

> difference you see, between writing and speaking, and

the depth of

> doing, or yielding to the heart.

>

> basically it comes down to the saint and the pundit. do

you want to

> listen to the source or an interpretation?

>

> this in no way is intended "against" fuerstein and other

writers.

> there is a web of connections between these fellows by

the way that

> is not so commonly known.

>

> so this is not a matter of being against anyone, it is a

matter of

> preserving your intelligence and heart for the highest.

>

> life is short, so very short. there are so many who want

to

> tell us the way. so very few have walked so far down the

path.

>

> peace.

>

> steve

>

>

> , "nityashakti"

<sadhvi@p...>

> wrote:

> > "...it doesn't really matter, people like Feuerstein

can't tell

> you.

> > only a spiritual person like maa can. ..."

> >

> > Dear Bingo,

> > I feel really uncomfortable judging another

person's spiritual

> > state, especially someone who is filled with devotion

and

> knowledge

> > and has been such a great help to so many sadhakas (

as George

> > Feuerstein has)... or thinking that someone is

not "spriritual".

> > Hopefully, we are all "spiritual people" sharing

information and,

> > also, fortunate enough to have had the blessing of

being with

> living

> > saints. I understand your point about Maa very

clearly but I

> don't

> > think that one negates the other...thank goodness.

> > best regards,

> > sadhvi

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