Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 I AM LATE IN THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ON DISCIPLE-GURU RELATIONSHIP, TRANSFORMATION AND ALLIED SUBJECTS. NITYA-MA HAS GIVEN(IN POST 2239) AN EXCELLENT DIGIST OF WHAT SWAMIJI SAID IN THE CHANDI CLASS. THE GOAL DEFINES THE CRITERIA OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE - DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN GOOD(WHICH TAKES ONE TOWARDS THE CHERISHED GOAL) AND BAD( WHICH TAKES ONE AWAY FROM THE GOAL). IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE WHO HAS ACTUALLY GONE ON THE PATH ALONE IS IN A POSITION TO GUIDE OTHERS GOING ON THE SAME PATH. BOOKISH KNOWLEDGE WILL PROVIDE ONLY GENERAL DIRECTIONS. BUT PRACTICAL TIPS COME ONLY FROM THE EXPERIENCED PERSON. IT IS SAID IN SHREE RAMAKRISHNA'S LIFE THAT MANY LEARNED AND RESPECTED PANDITS MET HIM. SOME OF THEM VERY SUCCESSFUL PREACHERS HAVING LARGE FOLLOWING, CAPABLE OF ATTRACTING CROWDS ON THEIR DISCOURSES. HE INVARIABLY USED TO LOOK FOR THEIR ATTAINMENTS IN SPIRITUAL LIFE. HE USED TO ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE MANDATE FROM GOD TO PREACH? "IF NO THEN WHATEVER YOU SAY WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO HEAR YOU. FIRST PRACTICE AND GET MANDATE FROM GOD, THEN WHAT YOU SAY WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS EFFECT." SHREE RAMAKRISHNA WAS AN UNLETTERED RUSTIC AND SPOKE WITH SLIGHT STAMMER, BUT ALL THE LEARNED MEN OF THAT TIME INCLUDING SOME WITH SPIRITUAL ATTAINMENTS LIKE SHRI KESHAB CHANDRA, WHO PRESIDED ON BRAHMO SAMAJ, CAME TO HIM, LISTENED WITH RAPT ATTENTION AND GOT BENEFITTED. EVEN HIS GURUS LEARNT SOMETHING FROM HIM! SCRIPTURES SAY THAT A DISCIPLE HAS TO ACHIEVE EVEN HIGHER HEIGHTS THAN HIS/HER GURU. WHEN A PERSON WALKS A LIFE OF SADHANA, SUBTLE CHANGES OCCUR IN HIS/HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORLD AND WHAT HAPPENS AROUND. HIS CHRACTER, BEHAVIOR ALL CHANGES. THIS IS TRANSFORMATION. I AM SURE YOU ALL MUST HAVE EXPERIENCED IT YOURSELF. DEEPER WE GO MORE PRECIOUS JEWELS REVEAL, IT IS A NEVER ENDING PATH TILL ONE GETS MERGED IN GOD AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS BECOMES ONE WITH THE UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUNESS- THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ALL LIVING OBJECTS. SPIRITUAL LIFE IS A LIFE OF 'BEING AND BECOMOING'. CHAITANEYA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 oh yes, this is the heart of it. there are so many words, so many, but the being who is living from the heart, really, sincerely, not an act ... just a look from him/her is all it takes, volumes are spoken and changes put into play that cannot otherwise be expressed. , "cvmerani" <cvmerani@r...> wrote: > I AM LATE IN THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ON DISCIPLE-GURU RELATIONSHIP, > TRANSFORMATION AND ALLIED SUBJECTS. > > NITYA-MA HAS GIVEN(IN POST 2239) AN EXCELLENT DIGIST OF WHAT SWAMIJI > SAID IN THE CHANDI CLASS. THE GOAL DEFINES THE CRITERIA OF WHAT > NEEDS TO BE DONE - DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN GOOD(WHICH TAKES ONE > TOWARDS THE CHERISHED GOAL) AND BAD( WHICH TAKES ONE AWAY FROM THE > GOAL). > > IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE WHO HAS ACTUALLY GONE ON THE PATH ALONE IS IN > A POSITION TO GUIDE OTHERS GOING ON THE SAME PATH. BOOKISH KNOWLEDGE > WILL PROVIDE ONLY GENERAL DIRECTIONS. BUT PRACTICAL TIPS COME ONLY > FROM THE EXPERIENCED PERSON. > > IT IS SAID IN SHREE RAMAKRISHNA'S LIFE THAT MANY LEARNED AND > RESPECTED PANDITS MET HIM. SOME OF THEM VERY SUCCESSFUL PREACHERS > HAVING LARGE FOLLOWING, CAPABLE OF ATTRACTING CROWDS ON THEIR > DISCOURSES. HE INVARIABLY USED TO LOOK FOR THEIR ATTAINMENTS IN > SPIRITUAL LIFE. HE USED TO ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE MANDATE FROM GOD TO > PREACH? "IF NO THEN WHATEVER YOU SAY WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE > LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO HEAR YOU. FIRST PRACTICE AND GET MANDATE FROM > GOD, THEN WHAT YOU SAY WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS EFFECT." > > > SHREE RAMAKRISHNA WAS AN UNLETTERED RUSTIC AND SPOKE WITH SLIGHT > STAMMER, BUT ALL THE LEARNED MEN OF THAT TIME INCLUDING SOME WITH > SPIRITUAL ATTAINMENTS LIKE SHRI KESHAB CHANDRA, WHO PRESIDED ON > BRAHMO SAMAJ, CAME TO HIM, LISTENED WITH RAPT ATTENTION AND GOT > BENEFITTED. EVEN HIS GURUS LEARNT SOMETHING FROM HIM! SCRIPTURES SAY > THAT A DISCIPLE HAS TO ACHIEVE EVEN HIGHER HEIGHTS THAN HIS/HER GURU. > > WHEN A PERSON WALKS A LIFE OF SADHANA, SUBTLE CHANGES OCCUR IN > HIS/HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORLD AND WHAT HAPPENS AROUND. HIS > CHRACTER, BEHAVIOR ALL CHANGES. THIS IS TRANSFORMATION. I AM SURE > YOU ALL MUST HAVE EXPERIENCED IT YOURSELF. DEEPER WE GO MORE > PRECIOUS JEWELS REVEAL, IT IS A NEVER ENDING PATH TILL ONE GETS > MERGED IN GOD AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS BECOMES ONE WITH THE > UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUNESS- THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ALL LIVING OBJECTS. > SPIRITUAL LIFE IS A LIFE OF 'BEING AND BECOMOING'. > CHAITANEYA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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