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I AM LATE IN THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ON DISCIPLE-GURU RELATIONSHIP,

TRANSFORMATION AND ALLIED SUBJECTS.

 

NITYA-MA HAS GIVEN(IN POST 2239) AN EXCELLENT DIGIST OF WHAT SWAMIJI

SAID IN THE CHANDI CLASS. THE GOAL DEFINES THE CRITERIA OF WHAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE - DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN GOOD(WHICH TAKES ONE

TOWARDS THE CHERISHED GOAL) AND BAD( WHICH TAKES ONE AWAY FROM THE

GOAL).

 

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE WHO HAS ACTUALLY GONE ON THE PATH ALONE IS IN

A POSITION TO GUIDE OTHERS GOING ON THE SAME PATH. BOOKISH KNOWLEDGE

WILL PROVIDE ONLY GENERAL DIRECTIONS. BUT PRACTICAL TIPS COME ONLY

FROM THE EXPERIENCED PERSON.

 

IT IS SAID IN SHREE RAMAKRISHNA'S LIFE THAT MANY LEARNED AND

RESPECTED PANDITS MET HIM. SOME OF THEM VERY SUCCESSFUL PREACHERS

HAVING LARGE FOLLOWING, CAPABLE OF ATTRACTING CROWDS ON THEIR

DISCOURSES. HE INVARIABLY USED TO LOOK FOR THEIR ATTAINMENTS IN

SPIRITUAL LIFE. HE USED TO ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE MANDATE FROM GOD TO

PREACH? "IF NO THEN WHATEVER YOU SAY WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE

LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO HEAR YOU. FIRST PRACTICE AND GET MANDATE FROM

GOD, THEN WHAT YOU SAY WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS EFFECT."

 

 

SHREE RAMAKRISHNA WAS AN UNLETTERED RUSTIC AND SPOKE WITH SLIGHT

STAMMER, BUT ALL THE LEARNED MEN OF THAT TIME INCLUDING SOME WITH

SPIRITUAL ATTAINMENTS LIKE SHRI KESHAB CHANDRA, WHO PRESIDED ON

BRAHMO SAMAJ, CAME TO HIM, LISTENED WITH RAPT ATTENTION AND GOT

BENEFITTED. EVEN HIS GURUS LEARNT SOMETHING FROM HIM! SCRIPTURES SAY

THAT A DISCIPLE HAS TO ACHIEVE EVEN HIGHER HEIGHTS THAN HIS/HER GURU.

 

WHEN A PERSON WALKS A LIFE OF SADHANA, SUBTLE CHANGES OCCUR IN

HIS/HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORLD AND WHAT HAPPENS AROUND. HIS

CHRACTER, BEHAVIOR ALL CHANGES. THIS IS TRANSFORMATION. I AM SURE

YOU ALL MUST HAVE EXPERIENCED IT YOURSELF. DEEPER WE GO MORE

PRECIOUS JEWELS REVEAL, IT IS A NEVER ENDING PATH TILL ONE GETS

MERGED IN GOD AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS BECOMES ONE WITH THE

UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUNESS- THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ALL LIVING OBJECTS.

SPIRITUAL LIFE IS A LIFE OF 'BEING AND BECOMOING'.

CHAITANEYA

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oh yes, this is the heart of it. there are so many words, so many,

but the being who is living from the heart, really, sincerely, not

an act ... just a look from him/her is all it takes, volumes are

spoken and changes put into play that cannot otherwise be expressed.

 

, "cvmerani" <cvmerani@r...> wrote:

> I AM LATE IN THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ON DISCIPLE-GURU RELATIONSHIP,

> TRANSFORMATION AND ALLIED SUBJECTS.

>

> NITYA-MA HAS GIVEN(IN POST 2239) AN EXCELLENT DIGIST OF WHAT

SWAMIJI

> SAID IN THE CHANDI CLASS. THE GOAL DEFINES THE CRITERIA OF WHAT

> NEEDS TO BE DONE - DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN GOOD(WHICH TAKES ONE

> TOWARDS THE CHERISHED GOAL) AND BAD( WHICH TAKES ONE AWAY FROM THE

> GOAL).

>

> IT IS OBVIOUS THAT HE WHO HAS ACTUALLY GONE ON THE PATH ALONE IS

IN

> A POSITION TO GUIDE OTHERS GOING ON THE SAME PATH. BOOKISH

KNOWLEDGE

> WILL PROVIDE ONLY GENERAL DIRECTIONS. BUT PRACTICAL TIPS COME ONLY

> FROM THE EXPERIENCED PERSON.

>

> IT IS SAID IN SHREE RAMAKRISHNA'S LIFE THAT MANY LEARNED AND

> RESPECTED PANDITS MET HIM. SOME OF THEM VERY SUCCESSFUL PREACHERS

> HAVING LARGE FOLLOWING, CAPABLE OF ATTRACTING CROWDS ON THEIR

> DISCOURSES. HE INVARIABLY USED TO LOOK FOR THEIR ATTAINMENTS IN

> SPIRITUAL LIFE. HE USED TO ASK THEM IF THEY HAVE MANDATE FROM GOD

TO

> PREACH? "IF NO THEN WHATEVER YOU SAY WILL HAVE NO EFFECT ON THE

> LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO HEAR YOU. FIRST PRACTICE AND GET MANDATE FROM

> GOD, THEN WHAT YOU SAY WILL HAVE TREMENDOUS EFFECT."

>

>

> SHREE RAMAKRISHNA WAS AN UNLETTERED RUSTIC AND SPOKE WITH SLIGHT

> STAMMER, BUT ALL THE LEARNED MEN OF THAT TIME INCLUDING SOME WITH

> SPIRITUAL ATTAINMENTS LIKE SHRI KESHAB CHANDRA, WHO PRESIDED ON

> BRAHMO SAMAJ, CAME TO HIM, LISTENED WITH RAPT ATTENTION AND GOT

> BENEFITTED. EVEN HIS GURUS LEARNT SOMETHING FROM HIM! SCRIPTURES

SAY

> THAT A DISCIPLE HAS TO ACHIEVE EVEN HIGHER HEIGHTS THAN HIS/HER

GURU.

>

> WHEN A PERSON WALKS A LIFE OF SADHANA, SUBTLE CHANGES OCCUR IN

> HIS/HER ATTITUDE TOWARDS WORLD AND WHAT HAPPENS AROUND. HIS

> CHRACTER, BEHAVIOR ALL CHANGES. THIS IS TRANSFORMATION. I AM SURE

> YOU ALL MUST HAVE EXPERIENCED IT YOURSELF. DEEPER WE GO MORE

> PRECIOUS JEWELS REVEAL, IT IS A NEVER ENDING PATH TILL ONE GETS

> MERGED IN GOD AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONSCIOUSNESS BECOMES ONE WITH

THE

> UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUNESS- THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ALL LIVING OBJECTS.

> SPIRITUAL LIFE IS A LIFE OF 'BEING AND BECOMOING'.

> CHAITANEYA

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