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that's an inspiring distinction. one of the hallmarks of ramakrishna

is he continuously referred to himself as a devotee. this is really

very beautiful, in some ways even more beautiful than the advaita

identification with god and self.

 

peace,

 

s

 

, gaurav singh

<gaurav_singh12> wrote:

> hi ,

>

> The basic difference between a devotee and a disciple is that in a

society , there can be no of cultured people but only few are mad

and those ( mad people) can be termed as devotee.

>

> The essence is that anyone can be a disciple but devotees are few

who after crossing the stage of disciple has lost there entity (

identity ) and now is only reffered by the name of their Guru / God.

>

> " Saint Kabir said : Jab Dekha Taab Gawa , Taab Maan Dheraj Pawa "

> means When I saw that Divine ( God) then only I got satisfied and

told the world about his grace."

>

> So the essence is in Practically Realising God, which is very much

possible"

> Bible " Search and you will find it, Seek and you will know him ,

Ask and you will be told "

> Now the ball is in your court.

>

> bye

> gaurav]

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> kbbookbag <karenborak@e...> wrote:

> My husband and I have been having an ongoing conversation about

the

> terms "disciple" and "devotee." It seems like the more we try to

> understand the terms, the more elusisve the meanings become. Does

> anyone have any thoughts to offer? Thinking in relationship to

Devi

> Mandir, do the words have specific meanings? TIA

>

> Regards,

> Karen

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I posted the question about disciple and devotee, seeking thoughts

and ideas and am grateful for all the various opionions presented.

Last night, however, I was rereading BEFORE BECOMING THIS, and the

answer leaped out! (See pages 175-176) These are Swami's words:

 

"That is the difference between a devotee and a disciple. The

devotee says, 'I want to please the Guru.' The disciple says, 'I

want to become the reflection of the Guru.' In Sanskrit, the term

for disciple is 'shishya,' which means mirror. You look in the

mirror and you can't tell which is the original and which is the

reflection. That's the relationship between Guru and disciple. The

relationship between Guru and devotee is the devotee comes to please

the Guru, but doesn't necessarily make changes in his or her life.

They hold on to the same old baggage that they're carrying around,

even while they are trying to please the Guru. The disciple

automatically polishes thier image so that it reflects in the same

way the Guru's image reflects."

 

There's more information in Chapter 13, Having a Relationship with

Your Guru.

 

I thank Swamiji most sincerely for answering this question.

 

Warmest regards to all,

Karen

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that's pretty nice! you found the exact answer! regardless of which

word you use for what, the distinction being, between one who

literally 'becomes ' the guru the other is more or less a 'member'

of the guru's circle. we all have a part to play.

 

peace,

 

s

 

, "kbbookbag" <karenborak@e...>

wrote:

> I posted the question about disciple and devotee, seeking thoughts

> and ideas and am grateful for all the various opionions

presented.

> Last night, however, I was rereading BEFORE BECOMING THIS, and the

> answer leaped out! (See pages 175-176) These are Swami's words:

>

> "That is the difference between a devotee and a disciple. The

> devotee says, 'I want to please the Guru.' The disciple says, 'I

> want to become the reflection of the Guru.' In Sanskrit, the term

> for disciple is 'shishya,' which means mirror. You look in the

> mirror and you can't tell which is the original and which is the

> reflection. That's the relationship between Guru and disciple.

The

> relationship between Guru and devotee is the devotee comes to

please

> the Guru, but doesn't necessarily make changes in his or her

life.

> They hold on to the same old baggage that they're carrying around,

> even while they are trying to please the Guru. The disciple

> automatically polishes thier image so that it reflects in the same

> way the Guru's image reflects."

>

> There's more information in Chapter 13, Having a Relationship with

> Your Guru.

>

> I thank Swamiji most sincerely for answering this question.

>

> Warmest regards to all,

> Karen

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