Guest guest Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 Steve, Swamiji is more taciturn than I would like. I feel it is against the natural inclination of his personality, but I could be wrong about that. I'm pretty sure it's purposeful and along the lines you mentioned. In the recorded satsangas he's a bit more intellectually available. If I stick my neck out a bit further, I will say that the reason is that, in this venue in particular, it is too easy for us Westerners to stay stuck in our heads, manipulating superficial intellectual ideas with the notion that in doing so we've experienced something real. Maa says more than once in the recorded radio stream that we need to get out of our heads and experience God in our hearts. This is hard to do in print if the words are all about concepts, rather than God and the direct experience of Her. Chris , "bingo_ridley" <bingo_ridley> wrote: > greetings all and pranams > > here is my question ... humbly offered ... > > why does swamiji mostly attend to literal scriptural issues rather > than those of a more diffuse metaphysical or philosophical nature? > > is it that, the deeper meaning of spirit itself, will best come > across through the traditional sanskrit expressions, like a bright > light that is sharply contrasted against the darkness? in other > words, the disciplined expression and restraint will ultimately say > more than indulging in metaphysical-type talk? or is it, that our > actions that are more important than fancy philosophizing? > > i ask not to challenge, but to understand, as the intent beyond his > example is very interesting and appealing to me. if you know me, you > know i was chagrined by the dearth of spiritual examples available, > based on personal experience, but have learned over time, > if there is to be an example, it will have to emerge from the jiva > him/herself. but here swami and shree maa appear in contrast to the > others, their commitment seems completely sincere, not motivated as > a spiritual career, becoming a celebrity, and all that silliness. i > of course am still learning and getting to know about them ... > > perhaps a master musician would be reluctant to interrupt his music > with talking politics ... maybe it is like that. or that, conjecture > is useless, and devotion and inner questioning to God is all that > matters. everything else will resolve itself in meditation. > > that is my question about questions ... with my own attempts to > answer included. i hope it makes sense. > > peace and love, gratitude and appreciation to you all, > > steve c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 yes thank chris, not a bad observation. due to solitude or my own character i spent much of my time reading, and i am also an artist, so there is no doubt that tendency to be in "mind." in fact, shree maa has effected me a bit regarding the heart and emotions, surprisingly so, so i worry if she cares for me, and things like that. as a 50 year old man i am not used to this [caring for what anyone thinks of me, in that sensitive sort of way] ... my wife assures me this is a good thing. just the same i hope to grow to see the guru beyond all form, and also grow to be able to appreciate and respect the guru with form. the learning never ends! om tat sat! thank you chris! steve c. , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Steve, > > Swamiji is more taciturn than I would like. I feel it is against the > natural inclination of his personality, but I could be wrong about > that. I'm pretty sure it's purposeful and along the lines you > mentioned. In the recorded satsangas he's a bit more intellectually > available. > > If I stick my neck out a bit further, I will say that the reason is > that, in this venue in particular, it is too easy for us Westerners > to stay stuck in our heads, manipulating superficial intellectual > ideas with the notion that in doing so we've experienced something > real. Maa says more than once in the recorded radio stream that we > need to get out of our heads and experience God in our hearts. This > is hard to do in print if the words are all about concepts, rather > than God and the direct experience of Her. > > Chris > > > , "bingo_ridley" > <bingo_ridley> wrote: > > greetings all and pranams > > > > here is my question ... humbly offered ... > > > > why does swamiji mostly attend to literal scriptural issues rather > > than those of a more diffuse metaphysical or philosophical nature? > > > > is it that, the deeper meaning of spirit itself, will best come > > across through the traditional sanskrit expressions, like a bright > > light that is sharply contrasted against the darkness? in other > > words, the disciplined expression and restraint will ultimately say > > more than indulging in metaphysical-type talk? or is it, that our > > actions that are more important than fancy philosophizing? > > > > i ask not to challenge, but to understand, as the intent beyond his > > example is very interesting and appealing to me. if you know me, > you > > know i was chagrined by the dearth of spiritual examples available, > > based on personal experience, but have learned over time, > > if there is to be an example, it will have to emerge from the jiva > > him/herself. but here swami and shree maa appear in contrast to the > > others, their commitment seems completely sincere, not motivated as > > a spiritual career, becoming a celebrity, and all that silliness. i > > of course am still learning and getting to know about them ... > > > > perhaps a master musician would be reluctant to interrupt his music > > with talking politics ... maybe it is like that. or that, > conjecture > > is useless, and devotion and inner questioning to God is all that > > matters. everything else will resolve itself in meditation. > > > > that is my question about questions ... with my own attempts to > > answer included. i hope it makes sense. > > > > peace and love, gratitude and appreciation to you all, > > > > steve c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Steve, Yes, I feel the same way sometimes about Shree Maa. It makes me happy to know you feel love for her, no doubt it makes her feel happy as well. I's wonderful you wife is so supportive of your faith. Chris , "bingo_ridley" <bingo_ridley> wrote: > yes thank chris, not a bad observation. due to solitude or my own > character i spent much of my time reading, and i am also an artist, > so there is no doubt that tendency to be in "mind." > > in fact, shree maa has effected me a bit regarding the heart and > emotions, surprisingly so, so i worry if she cares for me, and > things like that. as a 50 year old man i am not used to this [caring > for what anyone thinks of me, in that sensitive sort of way] ... my > wife assures me this is a good thing. > > just the same i hope to grow to see the guru beyond all form, and > also grow to be able to appreciate and respect the guru with form. > > the learning never ends! om tat sat! thank you chris! > > steve c. > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > Swamiji is more taciturn than I would like. I feel it is against > the > > natural inclination of his personality, but I could be wrong about > > that. I'm pretty sure it's purposeful and along the lines you > > mentioned. In the recorded satsangas he's a bit more > intellectually > > available. > > > > If I stick my neck out a bit further, I will say that the reason > is > > that, in this venue in particular, it is too easy for us > Westerners > > to stay stuck in our heads, manipulating superficial intellectual > > ideas with the notion that in doing so we've experienced something > > real. Maa says more than once in the recorded radio stream that we > > need to get out of our heads and experience God in our hearts. > This > > is hard to do in print if the words are all about concepts, rather > > than God and the direct experience of Her. > > > > Chris > > > > > > , "bingo_ridley" > > <bingo_ridley> wrote: > > > greetings all and pranams > > > > > > here is my question ... humbly offered ... > > > > > > why does swamiji mostly attend to literal scriptural issues > rather > > > than those of a more diffuse metaphysical or philosophical > nature? > > > > > > is it that, the deeper meaning of spirit itself, will best come > > > across through the traditional sanskrit expressions, like a > bright > > > light that is sharply contrasted against the darkness? in other > > > words, the disciplined expression and restraint will ultimately > say > > > more than indulging in metaphysical-type talk? or is it, that > our > > > actions that are more important than fancy philosophizing? > > > > > > i ask not to challenge, but to understand, as the intent beyond > his > > > example is very interesting and appealing to me. if you know me, > > you > > > know i was chagrined by the dearth of spiritual examples > available, > > > based on personal experience, but have learned over time, > > > if there is to be an example, it will have to emerge from the > jiva > > > him/herself. but here swami and shree maa appear in contrast to > the > > > others, their commitment seems completely sincere, not motivated > as > > > a spiritual career, becoming a celebrity, and all that > silliness. i > > > of course am still learning and getting to know about them ... > > > > > > perhaps a master musician would be reluctant to interrupt his > music > > > with talking politics ... maybe it is like that. or that, > > conjecture > > > is useless, and devotion and inner questioning to God is all > that > > > matters. everything else will resolve itself in meditation. > > > > > > that is my question about questions ... with my own attempts to > > > answer included. i hope it makes sense. > > > > > > peace and love, gratitude and appreciation to you all, > > > > > > steve c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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