for Jyothi

March 27, 2004

93 Greetings with love in our Holy Lord, Blessed be He!

To begin with, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".

U have to decide Ur life Urself, God gave U free will...

What i can say from my side is following. The idea of necessity of

rejecting of pleasures etc is totally wrong. "There's no sin worse

than lack of passion, there is no good beyond [being] happy" -

Chandamaharoshana-tantra (na virAgAt paraM pApaM na puNyaM sukhataH

param). In Tantras it is clearly said that without having a partner

there's no sadhana, no upasana and no liberation. Niruttara-tantra

states that sadhana that is done by male of female alone is a sin.

Yoni-tantra 8.2 says: "There's no liberation without maithuna"

(maithunena vinA muktir neti shAstrasya nirNayaH).

If we see traditions of Judaism and Islam, marriage is necessary for

spiritual growth. Holy Scripture itself says that.

Most of vedic rishis were married, most of tantric siddhas were

either married or had partner-yogini. Even shaiva yogis and ascetics

passed thru sexual practices (see Tirumantiram and Hathayoga-

pradipika).

Especially in worshipping Shakti - rejecting of enjoyment is an

aparadha, offence of Devi. Kularnava-tantra lists vrata, sannyasa and

tirtha-yatra as prohibited things for kaula.

Please don't do these stupid things :-). U can stay single, if U WILL

that. Just don't think that God wants this - never.

As Jesus said to Mary Magdalene in one gnostic Gospel: "Love, sister,

and never think that U are a sinner!"

Let God awaken Ur heart with Love!

Love is the law, love under will.

A. (mail at : saidevi55, icq 237411863)

> --- Jyothi Gunturu <realizegod> wrote:

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I joined the group recently and am very happy about

> > it. I am a newbie in this area and i wud keep asking

> > you ppl for some help. Hope u wont mind.

> >

> > It recently stuck to me that i shud raise myself

> > from physical plane. I wanted to go beyond.I read

> > few books on spiritual enlightenment. To be frank, i

> > dont do much pooja like u ppl...

> >

> > from past 6 months i'm doing lalitha

> > sahastraparayana daily.

> >

> > My doubt is i have read in most books that we must

> > be away from worldly pleasures for spiritual

> > gains...

> >

> > So is it wrong to marry? is it like ppl who want to

> > attain spiritual advancement shud not marry?

> >

> > but if u marry u have to perform certain duties...is

> > it ok?

> >

> > i'm really confused.......

> >

> > can somebody guide me pls?

> >

> > i'm really sorry if i asked something which is out

> > of place in the grp.....

> >

> > TIA,

> > Jyothi.

March 27, 2004

Thank You SaiDevi:

A Western Nath is in our Group!

Yay!

Post More!

Jyoti:

Hinduism embraces householders. In fact few of It's temples would

have been built nor maintained without their contributions.

I once witnessed Swami Satyananda Saraswati perform a wedding up here

in Washington State, USA. It was GREAT! PROFOUND, BEAUTIFUL!! The

groom is worshipped as SHIVA HIMSELF and the bride as DEVI HERSELF.

Truly Cosmic and inspiring...keep enquiring!

dan

, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<saidevi55> wrote:

> 93 Greetings with love in our Holy Lord, Blessed be He!

> To begin with, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".

> U have to decide Ur life Urself, God gave U free will...

>

> What i can say from my side is following. The idea of necessity of

> rejecting of pleasures etc is totally wrong. "There's no sin worse

> than lack of passion, there is no good beyond [being] happy" -

> Chandamaharoshana-tantra (na virAgAt paraM pApaM na puNyaM sukhataH

> param). In Tantras it is clearly said that without having a partner

> there's no sadhana, no upasana and no liberation. Niruttara-tantra

> states that sadhana that is done by male of female alone is a sin.

> Yoni-tantra 8.2 says: "There's no liberation without maithuna"

> (maithunena vinA muktir neti shAstrasya nirNayaH).

> If we see traditions of Judaism and Islam, marriage is necessary

for

> spiritual growth. Holy Scripture itself says that.

> Most of vedic rishis were married, most of tantric siddhas were

> either married or had partner-yogini. Even shaiva yogis and

ascetics

> passed thru sexual practices (see Tirumantiram and Hathayoga-

> pradipika).

> Especially in worshipping Shakti - rejecting of enjoyment is an

> aparadha, offence of Devi. Kularnava-tantra lists vrata, sannyasa

and

> tirtha-yatra as prohibited things for kaula.

> Please don't do these stupid things :-). U can stay single, if U

WILL

> that. Just don't think that God wants this - never.

> As Jesus said to Mary Magdalene in one gnostic Gospel: "Love,

sister,

> and never think that U are a sinner!"

>

> Let God awaken Ur heart with Love!

>

> Love is the law, love under will.

>

> A. (mail at : saidevi55, icq 237411863)

>

> > --- Jyothi Gunturu <realizegod> wrote:

> > > Hi All,

> > >

> > > I joined the group recently and am very happy about

> > > it. I am a newbie in this area and i wud keep asking

> > > you ppl for some help. Hope u wont mind.

> > >

> > > It recently stuck to me that i shud raise myself

> > > from physical plane. I wanted to go beyond.I read

> > > few books on spiritual enlightenment. To be frank, i

> > > dont do much pooja like u ppl...

> > >

> > > from past 6 months i'm doing lalitha

> > > sahastraparayana daily.

> > >

> > > My doubt is i have read in most books that we must

> > > be away from worldly pleasures for spiritual

> > > gains...

> > >

> > > So is it wrong to marry? is it like ppl who want to

> > > attain spiritual advancement shud not marry?

> > >

> > > but if u marry u have to perform certain duties...is

> > > it ok?

> > >

> > > i'm really confused.......

> > >

> > > can somebody guide me pls?

> > >

> > > i'm really sorry if i asked something which is out

> > > of place in the grp.....

> > >

> > > TIA,

> > > Jyothi.

March 27, 2004

Arjuna,

I appreciate what you have to say on the subject of sex and its

relationship to spirituality. It is a difficult subject. There are

many taboos, and a great deal of guilt, on the one side, and a loud

call for sexual freedom, on the other. I think it is important to

find a balance.

Despite the reality that this world is all Divine Mother, there is a

difference between a worldly life and a spiritual one. Swamiji says

that first one makes a goal, and then measures his actions against

it - is this action going to further my goal?

In the case of sex, the answer is almost certainly no. All of the

higher animals engage in sex, and they are unable to attain

enlightenment. If one's goal is to enjoy sex one does not need a

human body, any body will do. Only for sadhana is a human body a

necessity.

Understand, I am not saying there is anything wrong with enjoying

sex. I'm saying one should be clear about just what it is they are

doing, and why. If one wishes to enjoy sex for enjoyment's sake,

there is nothing wrong with that, I think. But as with the other four

primitive fountains food, sleep, and self-preservation, if one's goal

is spiritual, the sexual drive needs to be purified and regulated.

There are those now who are seeking to use this innate drive and

source of pleasure for their own selfish gain by deluding others into

believing they can attain high spiritual states simply by indulging

their sexual desires. This, in my opinion, is a perversion of both

sexuality and spirituality.

I admit to ignorance about this subject. I have little authoritative

direct experience upon which to draw, but from what I have gleaned

from authoritative sources, there is indeed a sadhana which involves

physical maithunya, but it is only for the very advanced, only for

that final purification of the vestiges of the current of sexuality,

which flows very deeply. It is an act which is completely devoid of

lust. A condition which most people would find hard even to imagine.

It is a purely spiritual act which simply happens to involve two

physical bodies.

For those of us who engage in sex for pleasure, sex can be used in

the service of spirituality, as can any other activity. But it is

important to place it within the context of one's complete sadhana,

one's goal. I recommend, as someone else already has, Swamiji's talk

on sexuality in the lessons section of the Devi Mandir website. While

it doesn't go into a great deal of detail, it does a very good job of

expressing the bhava of sexuality in a spiritual context.

Chris