Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase used by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care of when he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." That could be another way of saying, organizing life for devotion, with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased immensely. How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and perhaps not much karma to drag him down. We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example current and old taxes. So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some money is coming back. Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of my mind and heart for devotion. Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps a lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. The Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her. "bingo_ridley" <sconnor (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 Arranging a supply line One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase used by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care of when he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." That could be another way of saying, organizing life for devotion, with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased immensely. How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and perhaps not much karma to drag him down. We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example current and old taxes. So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some money is coming back. Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of my mind and heart for devotion. Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! steve Sponsor / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 ardis, really interesting ... i wonder if i can reduce towards that level, but keep everyone in my little family happy, the gov't happy, etc. ... keeping to your principle but a real different execution, maybe like that farmer who said "vishnu" 2x a day. anything else you can share on those times with swamiji, i am all ears and would love to hear about those days. steve , Ardis Jackson <anandamama@e...> wrote: > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I still had to > go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji encouraged me to find > someone who could do that for me. It helps a lot if you eat simply, one > meal a day, the same meal every time. The idea is to keep distraction from > worship to an absolute minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > glorious. The Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > Her. > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > Arranging a supply line > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase used > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care of when > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life for devotion, > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased immensely. > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and perhaps > not much karma to drag him down. > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example > current and old taxes. > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some money is > coming back. > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of my > mind and heart for devotion. > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! > > steve > > > > Sponsor > > > > > Links > > / > > > > <? subject=Un> > > Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 These days, in many places, all can be delivered. On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. It is easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one can use dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires this. It is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just adjust the planning. Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on their own as well. Just some ideas... - Ardis Jackson Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM Re: Arranging a supply line When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps a lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. The Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her. "bingo_ridley" <sconnor (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000To: Subject: Arranging a supply line One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase used by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care of when he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."That could be another way of saying, organizing life for devotion, with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased immensely.How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and perhaps not much karma to drag him down.We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example current and old taxes.So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some money is coming back.Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of my mind and heart for devotion. Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!steve Sponsor / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did you stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move around? curious sadhu, steve , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in many places, all can be delivered. > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. It is easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one can use dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires this. It is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just adjust the planning. > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on their own as well. > > Just some ideas... > - > Ardis Jackson > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps a lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. The Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her. > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase used > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care of when > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life for devotion, > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased immensely. > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and perhaps > not much karma to drag him down. > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example > current and old taxes. > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some money is > coming back. > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of my > mind and heart for devotion. > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! > > steve > > > > Sponsor > > > - --------- > > Links > > > b.. / > c.. > d.. > e.. <?subject=Un> > f.. > g.. Terms of Service <> . - ----------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Different things at different times. I've done this more than once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, usually one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to say I could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of food. The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b maple syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and easy. It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with honey and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. A few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses with it. Jai Maa! - bingo_ridley Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM Re: Arranging a supply line mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did you stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move around?curious sadhu,steve, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote:> Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in many places, all can be delivered.> > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. It is easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one can use dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires this. It is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time.> > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just adjust the planning.> > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on their own as well.> > Just some ideas...> - > Ardis Jackson > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM> Re: Arranging a supply line> > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps a lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. The Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her.> > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...>> > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000> > Subject: Arranging a supply line> > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase used > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care of when > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."> > That could be another way of saying, organizing life for devotion, > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased immensely.> > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and perhaps > not much karma to drag him down.> > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example > current and old taxes.> > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some money is > coming back.> > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of my > mind and heart for devotion. > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!> > steve> > > > Sponsor > > > ----------> > Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > b.. / > c.. > d.. > e.. <?subject=Un> > f.. > g.. Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service <> . > > > > > > > > Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > b.. > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no sadhus among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is camping out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu population. ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, to avoid confusion ... "She." jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba. , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > Different things at different times. I've done this more than once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, usually one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to say I could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of food. The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b maple syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and easy. It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with honey and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. A few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses with it. > > Jai Maa! > - > bingo_ridley > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did you > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move around? > > curious sadhu, > > steve > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in many > places, all can be delivered. > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. It is > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one can use > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires this. It > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just adjust > the planning. > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on their > own as well. > > > > Just some ideas... > > - > > Ardis Jackson > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps a > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. The > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her. > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase > used > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care > of when > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life for > devotion, > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased > immensely. > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and > perhaps > > not much karma to drag him down. > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example > > current and old taxes. > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some > money is > > coming back. > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of > my > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! > > > > steve > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > ------------------------------- --- > --------- > > > > Links > > > > > > b.. / > > c.. > > d.. > > e.. > <? subject=Un> > > f.. > > g.. Terms > of Service <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- --- > ----------- > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > -- ---------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by your post. Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc. I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 or 2. - bingo_ridley Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM Re: Arranging a supply line it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no sadhus among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is camping out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu population.ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, to avoid confusion ... "She."jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba., "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote:> Different things at different times. I've done this more than once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, usually one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to say I could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time.> > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of food. The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b maple syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and easy. It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with honey and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. A few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses with it.> > Jai Maa!> - > bingo_ridley > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM> Re: Arranging a supply line> > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did you > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move around?> > curious sadhu,> > steve> > --- In , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote:> > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in many > places, all can be delivered.> > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. It is > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one can use > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires this. It > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time.> > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just adjust > the planning.> > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on their > own as well.> > > > Just some ideas...> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Ardis Jackson > > To: > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM> > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps a > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. The > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her.> > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...>> > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000> > > > Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a phrase > used > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken care > of when > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."> > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life for > devotion, > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased > immensely.> > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with great > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, and > perhaps > > not much karma to drag him down.> > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. For > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there are > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for example > > current and old taxes.> > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in an > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some > money is > > coming back.> > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more of > my > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!> > > > steve> > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > -> ---------> > > > Links> > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > b.. / > > c.. > > d.. > > e.. > <?subject=Un> > > f.. > > g.. Your use of is subject to the Terms > of Service <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> -----------> > Links> > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> > /> > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the Terms > of Service.> > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links> > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> /> > b.. > > > c.. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is not seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. it could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the ascetic part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a great life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part of such a transformation. it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but the "face" of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, more than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near wimberly and such. steve , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by your post. > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc. > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 or 2. > - > bingo_ridley > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no sadhus > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is camping > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu population. > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, to > avoid confusion ... "She." > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba. > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > Different things at different times. I've done this more than > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, usually > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to say I > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of food. > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b maple > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and easy. > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with honey > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. A > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses with > it. > > > > Jai Maa! > > - > > bingo_ridley > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did you > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > around? > > > > curious sadhu, > > > > steve > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote: > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in many > > places, all can be delivered. > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. It is > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one can > use > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires this. > It > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just adjust > > the planning. > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on > their > > own as well. > > > > > > Just some ideas... > > > - > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of sadhana, I > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. Swamiji > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It helps > a > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every time. > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is glorious. > The > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on Her. > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > > > > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a > phrase > > used > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken > care > > of when > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life for > > devotion, > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction increased > > immensely. > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man with > great > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated guru, > and > > perhaps > > > not much karma to drag him down. > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply line. > For > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But there > are > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > example > > > current and old taxes. > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes in > an > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, some > > money is > > > coming back. > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free more > of > > my > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! > > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ---- > --- > > --------- > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > b.. / > > > c.. > > > d.. > > > e.. > > <? > subject=Un> > > > f.. > > > g.. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Steve, I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country. Chris , "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is not > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. it > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the ascetic > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a great > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part of > such a transformation. > > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but the "face" > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, more > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > wimberly and such. > > steve > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > your post. > > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc. > > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 > or 2. > > - > > bingo_ridley > > > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > sadhus > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > camping > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > population. > > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > to > > avoid confusion ... "She." > > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba. > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote: > > > Different things at different times. I've done this more than > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > usually > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > say I > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. > > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > food. > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > maple > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > easy. > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > honey > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. > A > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > with > > it. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did > you > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > around? > > > > > > curious sadhu, > > > > > > steve > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote: > > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > many > > > places, all can be delivered. > > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > It is > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > can > > use > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > this. > > It > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > adjust > > > the planning. > > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on > > their > > > own as well. > > > > > > > > Just some ideas... > > > > - > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > sadhana, I > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > Swamiji > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > helps > > a > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > time. > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > glorious. > > The > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > Her. > > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a > > phrase > > > used > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken > > care > > > of when > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > for > > > devotion, > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > increased > > > immensely. > > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > with > > great > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > guru, > > and > > > perhaps > > > > not much karma to drag him down. > > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > line. > > For > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > there > > are > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > example > > > > current and old taxes. > > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes > in > > an > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > some > > > money is > > > > coming back. > > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free > more > > of > > > my > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > Get light. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 yes i think it is difficult too. something must be done to change this, chris! , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Steve, > > I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this > country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where > one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is > violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There > are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding > and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be > difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady > source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country. > > Chris > > > > , "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > wrote: > > i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is > not > > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. > it > > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the > ascetic > > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a > great > > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part > of > > such a transformation. > > > > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but > the "face" > > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, > more > > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > > wimberly and such. > > > > steve > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote: > > > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > > your post. > > > > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you > can > > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc. > > > > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than > 1 > > or 2. > > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > > sadhus > > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i > just > > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > > camping > > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > > population. > > > > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. > or > > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. > or > > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > > to > > > avoid confusion ... "She." > > > > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba. > > > > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote: > > > > Different things at different times. I've done this more > than > > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > > usually > > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > > say I > > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. > > > > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > > food. > > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > > maple > > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > > easy. > > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > > honey > > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually > a > > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea > salt. > > A > > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > > with > > > it. > > > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > - > > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long > did > > you > > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > > around? > > > > > > > > curious sadhu, > > > > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > > <mahamuni@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > > many > > > > places, all can be delivered. > > > > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > > It is > > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > > can > > > use > > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > > this. > > > It > > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > > > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > > adjust > > > > the planning. > > > > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days > on > > > their > > > > own as well. > > > > > > > > > > Just some ideas... > > > > > - > > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > > sadhana, I > > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > > Swamiji > > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > > helps > > > a > > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > > time. > > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > > glorious. > > > The > > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > > Her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is > a > > > phrase > > > > used > > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials > taken > > > care > > > > of when > > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > > > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > > for > > > > devotion, > > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > > increased > > > > immensely. > > > > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > > with > > > great > > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > > guru, > > > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > not much karma to drag him down. > > > > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > > line. > > > For > > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > > there > > > are > > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > > example > > > > > current and old taxes. > > > > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current > taxes > > in > > > an > > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > > some > > > > money is > > > > > coming back. > > > > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will > free > > more > > > of > > > > my > > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! > > > > > > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- -- > -- > > ---- > > > --- > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b.. / > > > > > c.. > > > > > d.. To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > e.. > > > > <? > > > subject=Un> > > > > > f.. > > > > > g.. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Hi All, Just to "ring" in on this one. Being a householder with a hubbie, kids, mortgage and maybe a dog, I have often fantasized about being a monk. I would go and live at an ashram and do saddhana nonstop. I would write books about how to transition from householder to monk smoothly. I would absorb negativity and transform it into pure love. The beautiful thing is that now I realize that this family and house (and van and grill and lawn....) IS my saddhana. I get it now. I have the grace of this incredible family to mirror to me where I need to improve--where I can be more selfless, where I can serve more. I blow it all the time, but I'm learning. And for this seeker there would be no other way to learn what I need to. I don't have to go to India, I don't have to wander I can just keep the meals, laundry and car-pool running along--keep hugging and loving. And when I look into their pure faces and the love in their eyes goes on forever I know I'm in the right place, doing the right thing. Of course a tent in the forest does sound heavenly...hmmmm I'm not arguing with anybody here--just sharing a learning. A big one for me. Much love, many blessings! Lynne PS, Lathji--awesome class, thank you, thank you, pranams to all! - Chris Kirner Monday, March 29, 2004 4:44 PM Re: Arranging a supply line Steve,I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country.Chris, "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> wrote:> i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is not > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. it > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the ascetic > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a great > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part of > such a transformation.> > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but the "face" > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, more > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > wimberly and such.> > steve> > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote:> > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > your post.> > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc.> > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 > or 2.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > bingo_ridley > > To: > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM> > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > sadhus > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > camping > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > population.> > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > to > > avoid confusion .... "She."> > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba.> > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote:> > > Different things at different times. I've done this more than > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > usually > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > say I > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time.> > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > food. > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > maple > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > easy. > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > honey > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. > A > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > with > > it.> > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM> > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did > you > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > around?> > > > > > curious sadhu,> > > > > > steve> > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote:> > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > many > > > places, all can be delivered.> > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > It is > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > can > > use > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > this. > > It > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time.> > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > adjust > > > the planning.> > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on > > their > > > own as well.> > > > > > > > Just some ideas...> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > To: > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM> > > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > sadhana, I > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > Swamiji > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > helps > > a > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > time. > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > glorious. > > The > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > Her.> > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...>> > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000> > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a > > phrase > > > used > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken > > care > > > of when > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."> > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > for > > > devotion, > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > increased > > > immensely.> > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > with > > great > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > guru, > > and > > > perhaps > > > > not much karma to drag him down.> > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > line. > > For > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > there > > are > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > example > > > > current and old taxes.> > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes > in > > an > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > some > > > money is > > > > coming back.> > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free > more > > of > > > my > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!> > > > > > > > steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------> ----> > ---> > > ---------> > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 It is not easy to be a wandering sadhu anywhere. It is not supposed to be easy. Peace Pilgrim did it without a problem. There have been others. I have known a few. They don't advertise so few know them. But yes, this culture is very different. We don't have a "caste" so to speak, of renunciates, and the cultural upbringing to support them. - Chris Kirner Monday, March 29, 2004 1:44 PM Re: Arranging a supply line Steve,I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country.Chris, "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> wrote:> i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is not > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. it > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the ascetic > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a great > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part of > such a transformation.> > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but the "face" > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, more > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > wimberly and such.> > steve> > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote:> > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > your post.> > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc.> > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 > or 2.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > bingo_ridley > > To: > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM> > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > sadhus > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > camping > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > population.> > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > to > > avoid confusion .... "She."> > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba.> > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote:> > > Different things at different times. I've done this more than > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > usually > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > say I > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time.> > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > food. > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > maple > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > easy. > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > honey > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. > A > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > with > > it.> > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM> > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did > you > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > around?> > > > > > curious sadhu,> > > > > > steve> > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote:> > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > many > > > places, all can be delivered.> > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > It is > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > can > > use > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > this. > > It > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time.> > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > adjust > > > the planning.> > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on > > their > > > own as well.> > > > > > > > Just some ideas...> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > To: > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM> > > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > sadhana, I > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > Swamiji > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > helps > > a > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > time. > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > glorious. > > The > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > Her.> > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...>> > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000> > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a > > phrase > > > used > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken > > care > > > of when > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."> > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > for > > > devotion, > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > increased > > > immensely.> > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > with > > great > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > guru, > > and > > > perhaps > > > > not much karma to drag him down.> > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > line. > > For > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > there > > are > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > example > > > > current and old taxes.> > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes > in > > an > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > some > > > money is > > > > coming back.> > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free > more > > of > > > my > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!> > > > > > > > steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------> ----> > ---> > > ---------> > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > b.. / > > > > c.. > > > > d.. > > > > e.. > > > <?> > subject=Un> > > > > f.. > > > > g.. Your use of is subject to the > > > Terms > > > of Service <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------> ----> > ---> > > -----------> > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > /> > > > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > > > > c.. > > Terms > > > of Service.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> ----> > ----------> > > Links> > > > > > > > > /> > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > c.. > Terms of > > Service.> > > > > > > > > > --> ----------> > Links> > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> > /> > > > b.. To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > c.. Terms of > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Yes! Absolutely true! But occasional retreat for a householder is a very good thing. Even if just to recharge the batteries! - Lynne McKinnon Monday, March 29, 2004 2:58 PM Re: Re: Arranging a supply line Hi All, Just to "ring" in on this one. Being a householder with a hubbie, kids, mortgage and maybe a dog, I have often fantasized about being a monk. I would go and live at an ashram and do saddhana nonstop. I would write books about how to transition from householder to monk smoothly. I would absorb negativity and transform it into pure love. The beautiful thing is that now I realize that this family and house (and van and grill and lawn....) IS my saddhana. I get it now. I have the grace of this incredible family to mirror to me where I need to improve--where I can be more selfless, where I can serve more. I blow it all the time, but I'm learning. And for this seeker there would be no other way to learn what I need to. I don't have to go to India, I don't have to wander I can just keep the meals, laundry and car-pool running along--keep hugging and loving. And when I look into their pure faces and the love in their eyes goes on forever I know I'm in the right place, doing the right thing. Of course a tent in the forest does sound heavenly...hmmmm I'm not arguing with anybody here--just sharing a learning. A big one for me. Much love, many blessings! Lynne PS, Lathji--awesome class, thank you, thank you, pranams to all! - Chris Kirner Monday, March 29, 2004 4:44 PM Re: Arranging a supply line Steve,I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country.Chris, "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> wrote:> i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is not > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. it > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the ascetic > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a great > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part of > such a transformation.> > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but the "face" > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, more > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > wimberly and such.> > steve> > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote:> > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > your post.> > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc.> > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 > or 2.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > bingo_ridley > > To: > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM> > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > sadhus > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > camping > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > population.> > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > to > > avoid confusion .... "She."> > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba.> > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote:> > > Different things at different times. I've done this more than > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > usually > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > say I > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time.> > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > food. > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > maple > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > easy. > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > honey > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. > A > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > with > > it.> > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM> > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did > you > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > around?> > > > > > curious sadhu,> > > > > > steve> > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote:> > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > many > > > places, all can be delivered.> > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > It is > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > can > > use > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > this. > > It > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time.> > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > adjust > > > the planning.> > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on > > their > > > own as well.> > > > > > > > Just some ideas...> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > To: > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM> > > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > sadhana, I > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > Swamiji > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > helps > > a > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > time. > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > glorious. > > The > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > Her.> > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...>> > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000> > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a > > phrase > > > used > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken > > care > > > of when > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."> > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > for > > > devotion, > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > increased > > > immensely.> > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > with > > great > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > guru, > > and > > > perhaps > > > > not much karma to drag him down.> > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > line. > > For > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > there > > are > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > example > > > > current and old taxes.> > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes > in > > an > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > some > > > money is > > > > coming back.> > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free > more > > of > > > my > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!> > > > > > > > steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------> ----> > ---> > > ---------> > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > b.. / > > > > c.. > > > > d.. > > > > e.. > > > <?> > subject=Un> > > > > f.. > > > > g.. Your use of is subject to the > > > Terms > > > of Service <> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------> ----> > ---> > > -----------> > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > /> > > > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > > > > c.. > > Terms > > > of Service.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------> ----> > ----------> > > Links> > > > > > > > > /> > > > > > b.. > > > > > > > > > c.. > Terms of > > Service.> > > > > > > > > > --> ----------> > Links> > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:> > /> > > > b.. To from this group, send an email to:> > > > > > c.. Terms of > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 That is truly beautiful and beautifully true. Thank you sweet Lynne. And when the householder days are over you can decide if you want to go to the forest like I have. Love, Ardis "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl (AT) patmedia (DOT) net> Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:58:35 -0500 <> Re: Re: Arranging a supply line Hi All, Just to "ring" in on this one. Being a householder with a hubbie, kids, mortgage and maybe a dog, I have often fantasized about being a monk. I would go and live at an ashram and do saddhana nonstop. I would write books about how to transition from householder to monk smoothly. I would absorb negativity and transform it into pure love. The beautiful thing is that now I realize that this family and house (and van and grill and lawn....) IS my saddhana. I get it now. I have the grace of this incredible family to mirror to me where I need to improve--where I can be more selfless, where I can serve more. I blow it all the time, but I'm learning. And for this seeker there would be no other way to learn what I need to. I don't have to go to India, I don't have to wander I can just keep the meals, laundry and car-pool running along--keep hugging and loving. And when I look into their pure faces and the love in their eyes goes on forever I know I'm in the right place, doing the right thing. Of course a tent in the forest does sound heavenly...hmmmm I'm not arguing with anybody here--just sharing a learning. A big one for me. Much love, many blessings! Lynne PS, Lathji--awesome class, thank you, thank you, pranams to all! - Chris Kirner <chriskirner1956 > Monday, March 29, 2004 4:44 PM Re: Arranging a supply line Steve, I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country. Chris , "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> wrote: > i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is not > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. it > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the ascetic > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a great > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part of > such a transformation. > > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but the "face" > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, more > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > wimberly and such. > > steve > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> wrote: > > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > your post. > > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you can > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc. > > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than 1 > or 2. > > - > > bingo_ridley > > > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > sadhus > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i just > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > camping > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > population. > > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. or > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. or > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > to > > avoid confusion ... "She." > > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba. > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote: > > > Different things at different times. I've done this more than > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > usually > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > say I > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. > > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > food. > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > maple > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > easy. > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > honey > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually a > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea salt. > A > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > with > > it. > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long did > you > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > around? > > > > > > curious sadhu, > > > > > > steve > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote: > > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > many > > > places, all can be delivered. > > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > It is > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > can > > use > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > this. > > It > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > adjust > > > the planning. > > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days on > > their > > > own as well. > > > > > > > > Just some ideas... > > > > - > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > sadhana, I > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > Swamiji > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > helps > > a > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > time. > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > glorious. > > The > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > Her. > > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is a > > phrase > > > used > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials taken > > care > > > of when > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > for > > > devotion, > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > increased > > > immensely. > > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > with > > great > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > guru, > > and > > > perhaps > > > > not much karma to drag him down. > > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > line. > > For > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > there > > are > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > example > > > > current and old taxes. > > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current taxes > in > > an > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > some > > > money is > > > > coming back. > > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will free > more > > of > > > my > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > Get light. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 lynne, absolutely! a little story, very small. i was torn by this for some time at a sort of submerged level, like a desire that i could not see fulfilling, but that bubbled underneath. anyway, shree maa said, my daughter and my wife were my teachers. this might not seem like much, but coming from shree maa ... the way she expresses things ... it went straight to the heart. honestly, if i can look back at the last couple of months, i can say it turned that sense of deprivation on its head. still, i want to do more ... but only if it "works" or fits in with the concept of my personal dharma or duties. the "right" sadhana seems at this point to be making domestic life better, which is probably more than i could say for any other sadhana i have done. if you write that book, though, i want to read it ... i still might become a sadhu someday --- only as and if the maha-goddess wills it. santih, steve , "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote: > Hi All, > Just to "ring" in on this one. Being a householder with a hubbie, kids, mortgage and maybe a dog, I have often fantasized about being a monk. I would go and live at an ashram and do saddhana nonstop. I would write books about how to transition from householder to monk smoothly. I would absorb negativity and transform it into pure love. The beautiful thing is that now I realize that this family and house (and van and grill and lawn....) IS my saddhana. I get it now. I have the grace of this incredible family to mirror to me where I need to improve--where I can be more selfless, where I can serve more. I blow it all the time, but I'm learning. And for this seeker there would be no other way to learn what I need to. I don't have to go to India, I don't have to wander I can just keep the meals, laundry and car-pool running along--keep hugging and loving. And when I look into their pure faces and the love in their eyes goes on forever I know I'm in the right place, doing the right thing. > > Of course a tent in the forest does sound heavenly...hmmmm > I'm not arguing with anybody here--just sharing a learning. A big one for me. > > Much love, many blessings! > Lynne > PS, Lathji--awesome class, thank you, thank you, pranams to all! > - > Chris Kirner > > Monday, March 29, 2004 4:44 PM > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > Steve, > > I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this > country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where > one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is > violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There > are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding > and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be > difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady > source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country. > > Chris > > > > , "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > wrote: > > i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is > not > > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. > it > > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the > ascetic > > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a > great > > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part > of > > such a transformation. > > > > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but > the "face" > > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, > more > > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > > wimberly and such. > > > > steve > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote: > > > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > > your post. > > > > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you > can > > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc. > > > > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than > 1 > > or 2. > > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > > sadhus > > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i > just > > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > > camping > > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > > population. > > > > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. > or > > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. > or > > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > > to > > > avoid confusion ... "She." > > > > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba. > > > > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote: > > > > Different things at different times. I've done this more > than > > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > > usually > > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > > say I > > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time. > > > > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > > food. > > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > > maple > > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > > easy. > > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > > honey > > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually > a > > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea > salt. > > A > > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > > with > > > it. > > > > > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > - > > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long > did > > you > > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > > around? > > > > > > > > curious sadhu, > > > > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > > <mahamuni@c...> > > > wrote: > > > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > > many > > > > places, all can be delivered. > > > > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > > It is > > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > > can > > > use > > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > > this. > > > It > > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time. > > > > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > > adjust > > > > the planning. > > > > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days > on > > > their > > > > own as well. > > > > > > > > > > Just some ideas... > > > > > - > > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM > > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > > sadhana, I > > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > > Swamiji > > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > > helps > > > a > > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > > time. > > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > > glorious. > > > The > > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > > Her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Arranging a supply line > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is > a > > > phrase > > > > used > > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials > taken > > > care > > > > of when > > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line." > > > > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > > for > > > > devotion, > > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > > increased > > > > immensely. > > > > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > > with > > > great > > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > > guru, > > > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > not much karma to drag him down. > > > > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > > line. > > > For > > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > > there > > > are > > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > > example > > > > > current and old taxes. > > > > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current > taxes > > in > > > an > > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > > some > > > > money is > > > > > coming back. > > > > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will > free > > more > > > of > > > > my > > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow! > > > > > > > > > > steve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------- ----- > -- > > ---- > > > --- > > > > --------- > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b.. / > > > > > c.. > > > > > d.. To from this group, send an email > to: > > > > > e.. > > > > <? > > > subject=Un> > > > > > f.. > > > > > g.. 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Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Steve, Thank you for those words from Shree Maa--inspires me anew! Now, after saying all that in my last email, I still get up before dawn and do a "formal" practice! Just getting ready for the book I guess... Much love, keep on keepin' on, Lynne - bingo_ridley Monday, March 29, 2004 11:15 PM Re: Arranging a supply line lynne, absolutely!a little story, very small. i was torn by this for some time at a sort of submerged level, like a desire that i could not see fulfilling, but that bubbled underneath. anyway, shree maa said, my daughter and my wife were my teachers.this might not seem like much, but coming from shree maa ... the way she expresses things .... it went straight to the heart. honestly, if i can look back at the last couple of months, i can say it turned that sense of deprivation on its head.still, i want to do more ... but only if it "works" or fits in with the concept of my personal dharma or duties. the "right" sadhana seems at this point to be making domestic life better, which is probably more than i could say for any other sadhana i have done.if you write that book, though, i want to read it ... i still might become a sadhu someday --- only as and if the maha-goddess wills it.santih,steve, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote:> Hi All,> Just to "ring" in on this one. Being a householder with a hubbie, kids, mortgage and maybe a dog, I have often fantasized about being a monk. I would go and live at an ashram and do saddhana nonstop. I would write books about how to transition from householder to monk smoothly. I would absorb negativity and transform it into pure love. The beautiful thing is that now I realize that this family and house (and van and grill and lawn....) IS my saddhana. I get it now. I have the grace of this incredible family to mirror to me where I need to improve--where I can be more selfless, where I can serve more. I blow it all the time, but I'm learning. And for this seeker there would be no other way to learn what I need to. I don't have to go to India, I don't have to wander I can just keep the meals, laundry and car-pool running along--keep hugging and loving. And when I look into their pure faces and the love in their eyes goes on forever I know I'm in the right place, doing the right thing. > > Of course a tent in the forest does sound heavenly...hmmmm > I'm not arguing with anybody here--just sharing a learning. A big one for me.> > Much love, many blessings!> Lynne> PS, Lathji--awesome class, thank you, thank you, pranams to all!> - > Chris Kirner > > Monday, March 29, 2004 4:44 PM> Re: Arranging a supply line> > > Steve,> > I think it would be very difficult to be a wandering sadhu in this > country. Our culture just doesn't support it. In the cities, where > one might easily find food at shelters etc., the environment is > violent and more often than not, likely unsuitable for sadhana. There > are few ashrams, or temples, and no tradition of recognizing, feeding > and otherwise supporting spiritual mendicants. I think it would be > difficult to be a wandering sadhu here, unless one had a steady > source of money to draw on and could therefore live in the country.> > Chris> > > > , "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...> > wrote:> > i mean, in north america. that the culture of wandering sadhus is > not > > seen here. when we have this wealth, and interest in spirituality. > it > > could be done more than it is. retreating to the forest. the > ascetic > > part, that is not so popular. the tendency is, more, to make a > great > > life, use spirit to get the car, that sort of thing. over time > > perhaps this will be seen for what it is. then our forests will be > > filled with taoists, sadhus, etc. we will see little temples at the > > side of the road. why not here, i say. maybe maa and swamiji, part > of > > such a transformation.> > > > it is quite likely this process is already occurring, but > the "face" > > of these semi-recluses is different ... they are often healers, > more > > than realizers. at least this is what i see here in texas, near > > wimberly and such.> > > > steve> > > > > > --- In , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > wrote:> > > What exactly do you think is so rare? I'm a little confused by > > your post.> > > > > > Not every "sadhu" displays him/herself so openly, so often you > can > > mistake them for just a crazy person, or beggar, etc.> > > > > > I think there are more than you think who take to the hills for a > > retreat. Not as many as we would all like, but certainly more than > 1 > > or 2.> > > - > > > bingo_ridley > > > > > > Monday, March 29, 2004 11:20 AM> > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > it is interesting this is so rare. sometimes i wonder, why no > > sadhus > > > among street people, for example? or maybe they are there, i > just > > > don't know them. in the hills across the usa, who know who is > > camping > > > out there. maybe a million sadhus, maybe only one or two. maybe > > > whenever you pitch that tent, you are doubling the sadhu > > population.> > > > > > ahh, such a glory to be outside and live for god. i envy you. > or > > > should i say, "i envy Me" since we are both emanations of God. > or > > > should i say, since there is no envy therein, just "Me" ... or, > > to > > > avoid confusion ... "She."> > > > > > jai maa! say hello to shivapuri baba.> > > > > > > > > --- In , "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@c...> > > wrote:> > > > Different things at different times. I've done this more > than > > > once, especially before I became a householder. Alone, tent, > > usually > > > one place. The rest is not for the ears of others. Suffice to > > say I > > > could never do enough but I did as much as I could at the time.> > > > > > > > Fasting also takes care of the need to pack a great deal of > > food. > > > The master cleanse, which is just fresh lemon juice, grade b > > maple > > > syrup, water and cayenne in specific proportions, is great and > > easy. > > > It has an ayurvedic/yogic counterpart replacing the maple with > > honey > > > and the cayenne with black pepper. Enemas or basti are usually > a > > > good idea, though in the master cleanse they do the oral saline > > > flush/purge, which would just require you to pack some sea > salt. > > A > > > few times I have added Yerba Mate to the fasting brew for extra > > > energy. Sometimes I have taken a nice amount of algaes/grasses > > with > > > it.> > > > > > > > Jai Maa!> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > bingo_ridley > > > > To: > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:41 PM> > > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > mahamuni, did you go alone? did you have a tent? how long > did > > you > > > > stay? did you meditate for hours on end ... or did you move > > > around?> > > > > > > > curious sadhu,> > > > > > > > steve> > > > > > > > , "Mahamuni" > > <mahamuni@c...> > > > wrote:> > > > > Re: Arranging a supply lineThese days, in > > many > > > > places, all can be delivered.> > > > > > > > > > On my extended sits, I usually went out into the forest. > > It is > > > > easy to bring enough grains, seeds, nuts, etc and then one > > can > > > use > > > > dried fruits and veggies and reconstitute if one desires > > this. > > > It > > > > is not too hard if you plan it ahead of time.> > > > > > > > > > Not everyone will be ready to do one meal a day, so just > > adjust > > > > the planning.> > > > > > > > > > Of course some fresh fruit and veggies can last for days > on > > > their > > > > own as well.> > > > > > > > > > Just some ideas...> > > > > - > > > > > Ardis Jackson > > > > > To: > > > > > Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:33 AM> > > > > Re: Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I was living alone in Marin and doing lots of > > sadhana, I > > > > still had to go out and shop for food once in a while. > > Swamiji > > > > encouraged me to find someone who could do that for me. It > > helps > > > a > > > > lot if you eat simply, one meal a day, the same meal every > > time. > > > > The idea is to keep distraction from worship to an absolute > > > > minimum. When the total focus is on worship, life is > > glorious. > > > The > > > > Goddess takes care of all the details if you just focus on > > Her.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "bingo_ridley" <sconnor@a...>> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:39:19 -0000> > > > > To: > > > > > Arranging a supply line> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the interesting things in one of the books is > a > > > phrase > > > > used > > > > > by Swamiji re: getting bodily needs and materials > taken > > > care > > > > of when > > > > > he locked himself in the temples to do lengthy > > > > > sadhana ... "arranging a supply line."> > > > > > > > > > That could be another way of saying, organizing life > > for > > > > devotion, > > > > > with the sense of a goal and focus and reduction > > increased > > > > immensely.> > > > > > > > > > How to organize our supply line. He was a young man > > with > > > great > > > > > focus, energy, it sounds like a superbly dedicated > > guru, > > > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > not much karma to drag him down.> > > > > > > > > > We all must have our own way of arranging the supply > > line. > > > For > > > > > myself there are many, many things to attend to. But > > there > > > are > > > > > obvious ones I don't want to face that I must ... for > > > example > > > > > current and old taxes.> > > > > > > > > > So, with the help of DURGA,I have put the current > taxes > > in > > > an > > > > > envelope today for the mail tomorrow ... guess what, > > some > > > > money is > > > > > coming back.> > > > > > > > > > Then, 2 more years of problem-taxes ... that will > free > > more > > > of > > > > my > > > > > mind and heart for devotion. > > > > > > > > > > Get light. Peace, santih, yellow, yellow, yellow!> > > > > > > > > > steve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------> --> > ----> > > ---> > > > ---------> > > > > > > > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > > > > > b.. / > > > > > c.. > > > > > d.. 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