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"...I did my japa silently. One of the benefits of this is that it

goes

faster, of course, though there are others as well. But I have found

that japa aloud has its own unique benefits, though it does take

considerably more time. I'm thinking I may alternate between doing

japa aloud and silently. It is a bit of a struggle, since the modes

are so different, but it may be worth doing. One day silent, the next

aloud...."

 

Dear Chris,

Sometimes when I am doing a long mantra japa like this, I think

about the 3 ways it is done: aloud (vacika), whispered (upamshu) or

mentally (manasa). (then there is the written form (likhita-japa)as

well. I like to think about the purpose of japa: to reach the state

of consciousness that the mantra represents. There are these

specific stages through which sound proceeds from the Absolute and

the 3 kinds of japa are reflections of that. (I hope I'm not

sounding too "preachy" here...but it's hard to explain this in a

less scholarly kind of way)...Anyway, the point of this information

is how it affects the way I do japa during a long practice. I start

with the spoken (since that's the most "manifest sound"), do a

number of malas of the spoken, then go to the whispered and then

finally to the silent..that way, I'm reminding myself that the point

of the japa is to "travel back through sound" to the mantra deity. I

know that, really, it's a way to convince my mind that this is "so

interesting" so it keeps quiet and allows me to do the japa. I can

kind of trick my mind to just settle in and then the japa takes

over. A swami taught me this quite a long time ago and I have used

the technique whenever I do a long japa practice. But, just to be

clear..everybody..it's not the "right" way to do japa...just helpful

for those of us whose minds sometimes buck and kick before they will

settle into the "mantra groove". The other thing I like about this

japa in "stages" is that the spoken japa really can get your whole

body vibrating with the sound..then you just get increasingly more

subtle.

best luck in your practice,

sadhvi

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OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

 

Dear Memebers:

 

I have been able to identify 5 way of performing Japa.

Also if your are interested you can read this article

that mentions the effects of Mantras on the Brain

(http://www.swamij.com/mantra-brain-words.htm).

 

Varieties Japa:

 

1) Visual

Reading Words

2) Audio

Listening to Words

Listening to an Audio File of the Mantra

3)( Vaikhari

Speaking Words, Vocal

4) Upamshu

Whispering Words,

Repetition with The movement of the Lips without

making any Sounds

5) Likhita

Writing Words

Writing the Mantra

 

OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

 

--- nityashakti <sadhvi wrote:

> "...I did my japa silently. One of the benefits of

> this is that it

> goes

> faster, of course, though there are others as well.

> But I have found

> that japa aloud has its own unique benefits, though

> it does take

> considerably more time. I'm thinking I may alternate

> between doing

> japa aloud and silently. It is a bit of a struggle,

> since the modes

> are so different, but it may be worth doing. One day

> silent, the next

> aloud...."

>

> Dear Chris,

> Sometimes when I am doing a long mantra japa

> like this, I think

> about the 3 ways it is done: aloud (vacika),

> whispered (upamshu) or

> mentally (manasa). (then there is the written form

> (likhita-japa)as

> well. I like to think about the purpose of japa: to

> reach the state

> of consciousness that the mantra represents. There

> are these

> specific stages through which sound proceeds from

> the Absolute and

> the 3 kinds of japa are reflections of that. (I hope

> I'm not

> sounding too "preachy" here...but it's hard to

> explain this in a

> less scholarly kind of way)...Anyway, the point of

> this information

> is how it affects the way I do japa during a long

> practice. I start

> with the spoken (since that's the most "manifest

> sound"), do a

> number of malas of the spoken, then go to the

> whispered and then

> finally to the silent..that way, I'm reminding

> myself that the point

> of the japa is to "travel back through sound" to the

> mantra deity. I

> know that, really, it's a way to convince my mind

> that this is "so

> interesting" so it keeps quiet and allows me to do

> the japa. I can

> kind of trick my mind to just settle in and then the

> japa takes

> over. A swami taught me this quite a long time ago

> and I have used

> the technique whenever I do a long japa practice.

> But, just to be

> clear..everybody..it's not the "right" way to do

> japa...just helpful

> for those of us whose minds sometimes buck and kick

> before they will

> settle into the "mantra groove". The other thing I

> like about this

> japa in "stages" is that the spoken japa really can

> get your whole

> body vibrating with the sound..then you just get

> increasingly more

> subtle.

> best luck in your practice,

> sadhvi

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Sadhvi,

 

I know this progression, and I have often thought that the method you

describe would be ideal, but I have not been able to make it happen.

The change seems too strange, or too much of a struggle. Perhaps this

is something that will come in time. I have not been doing japa aloud

for more than a year or so.

 

Maybe it's simply a matter of adjustment. At the time of sessation of

external japa the mind becomes inward, silent, and one-pointed. There

have been times when a different mantra at this time, done

internally, seems natural, but with the original mantra there just

seem to be too many associations in the mind with the movements

involved in chanting, so there is a struggle, and the best of the

concentration is lost. I think I will experiment a little bit...

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:

> "...I did my japa silently. One of the benefits of this is that it

> goes

> faster, of course, though there are others as well. But I have found

> that japa aloud has its own unique benefits, though it does take

> considerably more time. I'm thinking I may alternate between doing

> japa aloud and silently. It is a bit of a struggle, since the modes

> are so different, but it may be worth doing. One day silent, the

next

> aloud...."

>

> Dear Chris,

> Sometimes when I am doing a long mantra japa like this, I think

> about the 3 ways it is done: aloud (vacika), whispered (upamshu) or

> mentally (manasa). (then there is the written form (likhita-japa)as

> well. I like to think about the purpose of japa: to reach the state

> of consciousness that the mantra represents. There are these

> specific stages through which sound proceeds from the Absolute and

> the 3 kinds of japa are reflections of that. (I hope I'm not

> sounding too "preachy" here...but it's hard to explain this in a

> less scholarly kind of way)...Anyway, the point of this information

> is how it affects the way I do japa during a long practice. I start

> with the spoken (since that's the most "manifest sound"), do a

> number of malas of the spoken, then go to the whispered and then

> finally to the silent..that way, I'm reminding myself that the

point

> of the japa is to "travel back through sound" to the mantra deity.

I

> know that, really, it's a way to convince my mind that this is "so

> interesting" so it keeps quiet and allows me to do the japa. I can

> kind of trick my mind to just settle in and then the japa takes

> over. A swami taught me this quite a long time ago and I have used

> the technique whenever I do a long japa practice. But, just to be

> clear..everybody..it's not the "right" way to do japa...just

helpful

> for those of us whose minds sometimes buck and kick before they

will

> settle into the "mantra groove". The other thing I like about this

> japa in "stages" is that the spoken japa really can get your whole

> body vibrating with the sound..then you just get increasingly more

> subtle.

> best luck in your practice,

> sadhvi

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your explanation about japa is really good, i learnt same thing a

while ago, however recently ther is experience i am going thru, when

i do my japa even if its only one mala, i feel like i am doing japa

for two diffrent mantra simultaniously, for example if am doing OM

NAMAH SHIVAYA loudly than in the background i am doing OM GUM

GANAPATAYE NAMAH silently,a part of me thinks i am reaching different

level of japa, really don't understand this. Does anyone have any

explanation about this.

 

sanju

 

jaymaa

nityashakti <sadhvi (AT) prodigy (DOT) net> wrote:

"...I did my japa silently. One of the benefits of this is that it

goesfaster, of course, though there are others as well. But I have

foundthat japa aloud has its own unique benefits, though it does

takeconsiderably more time. I'm thinking I may alternate between

doingjapa aloud and silently. It is a bit of a struggle, since the

modesare so different, but it may be worth doing. One day silent, the

nextaloud...."Dear Chris, Sometimes when I am doing a long mantra

japa like this, I think about the 3 ways it is done: aloud (vacika),

whispered (upamshu) or mentally (manasa). (then there is the written

form (likhita-japa)as well. I like to think about the purpose of

japa: to reach the state of consciousness that the mantra represents.

There are these specific stages through which sound proceeds from the

Absolute and the 3 kinds of japa are reflections of that. (I hope I'm

not sounding too "preachy" here...but it's hard to explain this in a

less scholarly kind of way)...Anyway, the point of this information

is how it affects the way I do japa during a long practice. I start

with the spoken (since that's the most "manifest sound"), do a number

of malas of the spoken, then go to the whispered and then finally to

the silent..that way, I'm reminding myself that the point of the japa

is to "travel back through sound" to the mantra deity. I know that,

really, it's a way to convince my mind that this is "so interesting"

so it keeps quiet and allows me to do the japa. I can kind of trick

my mind to just settle in and then the japa takes over. A swami

taught me this quite a long time ago and I have used the technique

whenever I do a long japa practice. But, just to be

clear..everybody..it's not the "right" way to do japa...just

helpful for those of us whose minds sometimes buck and kick before

they will settle into the "mantra groove". The other thing I like

about this japa in "stages" is that the spoken japa really can get

your whole body vibrating with the sound..then you just get

increasingly more subtle.best luck in your practice,sadhvi

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Sadhvi,

 

For the last couple of days I have been splitting my japa in two:

five aloud, followed by five silent. I did not encounter the feelings

I had experienced before, and it transitioned very nicely. I think I

will continue in this way. It was a good suggestion. Thanks.

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:

> "...I did my japa silently. One of the benefits of this is that it

> goes

> faster, of course, though there are others as well. But I have found

> that japa aloud has its own unique benefits, though it does take

> considerably more time. I'm thinking I may alternate between doing

> japa aloud and silently. It is a bit of a struggle, since the modes

> are so different, but it may be worth doing. One day silent, the

next

> aloud...."

>

> Dear Chris,

> Sometimes when I am doing a long mantra japa like this, I think

> about the 3 ways it is done: aloud (vacika), whispered (upamshu) or

> mentally (manasa). (then there is the written form (likhita-japa)as

> well. I like to think about the purpose of japa: to reach the state

> of consciousness that the mantra represents. There are these

> specific stages through which sound proceeds from the Absolute and

> the 3 kinds of japa are reflections of that. (I hope I'm not

> sounding too "preachy" here...but it's hard to explain this in a

> less scholarly kind of way)...Anyway, the point of this information

> is how it affects the way I do japa during a long practice. I start

> with the spoken (since that's the most "manifest sound"), do a

> number of malas of the spoken, then go to the whispered and then

> finally to the silent..that way, I'm reminding myself that the

point

> of the japa is to "travel back through sound" to the mantra deity.

I

> know that, really, it's a way to convince my mind that this is "so

> interesting" so it keeps quiet and allows me to do the japa. I can

> kind of trick my mind to just settle in and then the japa takes

> over. A swami taught me this quite a long time ago and I have used

> the technique whenever I do a long japa practice. But, just to be

> clear..everybody..it's not the "right" way to do japa...just

helpful

> for those of us whose minds sometimes buck and kick before they

will

> settle into the "mantra groove". The other thing I like about this

> japa in "stages" is that the spoken japa really can get your whole

> body vibrating with the sound..then you just get increasingly more

> subtle.

> best luck in your practice,

> sadhvi

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i tried it too, it seems good.

 

steve

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

> Sadhvi,

>

> For the last couple of days I have been splitting my japa in two:

> five aloud, followed by five silent. I did not encounter the

feelings

> I had experienced before, and it transitioned very nicely. I think

I

> will continue in this way. It was a good suggestion. Thanks.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

wrote:

> > "...I did my japa silently. One of the benefits of this is that

it

> > goes

> > faster, of course, though there are others as well. But I have

found

> > that japa aloud has its own unique benefits, though it does take

> > considerably more time. I'm thinking I may alternate between

doing

> > japa aloud and silently. It is a bit of a struggle, since the

modes

> > are so different, but it may be worth doing. One day silent, the

> next

> > aloud...."

> >

> > Dear Chris,

> > Sometimes when I am doing a long mantra japa like this, I

think

> > about the 3 ways it is done: aloud (vacika), whispered (upamshu)

or

> > mentally (manasa). (then there is the written form (likhita-japa)

as

> > well. I like to think about the purpose of japa: to reach the

state

> > of consciousness that the mantra represents. There are these

> > specific stages through which sound proceeds from the Absolute

and

> > the 3 kinds of japa are reflections of that. (I hope I'm not

> > sounding too "preachy" here...but it's hard to explain this in a

> > less scholarly kind of way)...Anyway, the point of this

information

> > is how it affects the way I do japa during a long practice. I

start

> > with the spoken (since that's the most "manifest sound"), do a

> > number of malas of the spoken, then go to the whispered and then

> > finally to the silent..that way, I'm reminding myself that the

> point

> > of the japa is to "travel back through sound" to the mantra

deity.

> I

> > know that, really, it's a way to convince my mind that this

is "so

> > interesting" so it keeps quiet and allows me to do the japa. I

can

> > kind of trick my mind to just settle in and then the japa takes

> > over. A swami taught me this quite a long time ago and I have

used

> > the technique whenever I do a long japa practice. But, just to

be

> > clear..everybody..it's not the "right" way to do japa...just

> helpful

> > for those of us whose minds sometimes buck and kick before they

> will

> > settle into the "mantra groove". The other thing I like about

this

> > japa in "stages" is that the spoken japa really can get your

whole

> > body vibrating with the sound..then you just get increasingly

more

> > subtle.

> > best luck in your practice,

> > sadhvi

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"...Sadhvi,

 

For the last couple of days I have been splitting my japa in two:

five aloud, followed by five silent. I did not encounter the feelings

I had experienced before, and it transitioned very nicely. I think I

will continue in this way. It was a good suggestion. Thanks.

 

Chris..."

 

 

Dear Chris,

Yesterday, I had to take a stress test in downtown Boston. As if

that weren't enough, I had to drive home in rush hour through the

Big Dig (which is, for those of you who don't know Boston: a huge re-

construction of the freeway system in and out of Boston). I had

decided to save my japa for the evening and do the Kavacam in the

morning along with my usual puja. I was SO tired when I finally got

to my asan, that I couldn't do any spoken japa at all...I had to do

all silent japa. At first, I had fixed my eyes on a large Chandi I

have above my Devi puja (I am doing the navarna mantra)but halfway

through, my eyes closed and I went into the deepest state I can

remember for a long time. I knew I was doing japa of the mantra and

I could feel my fingers turning the mantra and part of my brain

seeing which mala I was on and I could see the mantra moving across

the screen of my mind...but some other deeper part of me was just

observing the whole thing...like sitting at the bottom of a lake and

looking up at someone else doing the japa. It was a really strange

and wonderful experience. I am enjoying hearing about everyone's

japa practice and chanting practice with the Chandi. If we are doing

this for 4 months!!!! who knows what insights we might have!

Also, thanks for the information on pranayama...very very helpful.

best love to everyone,

sadhvi

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