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Dear Ruchi,

 

Let us say that you are doing the mantra "Om Namah Shivaya"

 

 

Then inhale slowly as much as you can and chant "Om......

Namah....Shivaya..." mentally for the length of the inhalation.

 

Exhale through your mouth while chanting "Om Namah Shivaya" .

 

It is the easiest and best to count with your fingers when chanting.

To know more about this technique - please check the FAQ section at

http://www.shreemaa.org/faq.htm for learning how to counting with

your fingers.

 

It is my observation, that one should easily be able to do atleast 10

Om Namah shivaya's during exhalation.

 

If you find that 10 is problem, you could try with less - 5 maybe.

But in normal circumstances you should be able to 10 and even 20

fairly easily, provided you are chanting as fast as you can.

 

Chant the Om Namah Shivaya very quickly - do not give any musical

tone to the chant. The less "music" you add, the faster your chant

will be.

 

You should be able to complete the 10 malas within 20 minutes.

 

Once you have done 1 mala - 108 times, then put an object - a stone

or a flower in front of you to keep count of the number of malas that

you do.

 

Best of luck, and do let us know how it goes.

 

JAI MAA

Latha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> Dear Latha and Group members,

>

> I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

texts but

> I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this

topic

> has been discussed before, but it would help if you could explain

it

> for a total novice.

> When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing).

Ater

> about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking with

the

> mantra.

> For the past four days I have been trying to do my version(meaning

> whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

mantra

> but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

breathing.

> I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using

the

> right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was

very

> tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

malas.

>

> Please Advice

>

> Regards,

> Ruchi

>

>

>

> Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

>

> Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

>

>

> Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

>

> Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope it

> will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

>

> Chubby Kapolau

> Dimple Cibukam

> Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> Dantaan within

> Netra so blue

> Lovely too

> Maatri's pet

> Is it you ?

>

> Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple Chin

> yata yata yata

>

>

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > Hey,

> >

> > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my eights

> > right!

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Latha Nanda"

<lathananda>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

click

> > on

> > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get to

> see

> > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > >

> > > /database

> > >

> > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the weaponry

> > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > >

> > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am

> > still

> > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if you

> can.

> > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > >

> > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance the

> list

> > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> Sanskrit

> > > equivalent.

> > >

> > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It starts

> with

> > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

feet .

> > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> requesting

> > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association of

the

> > > word to the meaning better.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Maa.

> > > Latha

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Hi Ruchi,

 

I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an entire basic

description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would probably

be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to answer as

I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system of nadis

and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I would

suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

 

Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again and again

in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

 

Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from the

diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the bottom

up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet, without

windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.

 

Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of the nadis

in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways, devotion,

study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the body,

physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of nadi

purification.

 

In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and

small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are closed

off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

strengthen the nadis.

 

In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of various

kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching,

trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in

action.

 

The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If there

is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point where you

need to gasp for air later.

 

Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your

prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and

begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the

process.

 

When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way to

experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the flow

of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of the

reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

 

In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be

concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for it,

and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress determine

the degree of stillness.

 

As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced with

japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced roughness,

smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of which

have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere in

the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and the

chakras.

 

As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

understand exactly what they represent and how best to use them to

enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically, they are

generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued practice.

 

Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your

breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in your

nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If

it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.

 

When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research

ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other

ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed through

many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but

each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so

of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

 

I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing through ajna

chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the miraculous

feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall

approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing it to

slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

 

Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves

felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and

sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the first

day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my capacity

and I paid for it.

 

I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I hope this

has been of some help to you.

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> Dear Latha and Group members,

>

> I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

texts but

> I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this

topic

> has been discussed before, but it would help if you could explain

it

> for a total novice.

> When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing).

Ater

> about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking with

the

> mantra.

> For the past four days I have been trying to do my version(meaning

> whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

mantra

> but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

breathing.

> I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using

the

> right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was

very

> tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

malas.

>

> Please Advice

>

> Regards,

> Ruchi

>

>

>

> Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

>

> Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

>

>

> Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

>

> Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope it

> will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

>

> Chubby Kapolau

> Dimple Cibukam

> Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> Dantaan within

> Netra so blue

> Lovely too

> Maatri's pet

> Is it you ?

>

> Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple Chin

> yata yata yata

>

>

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > Hey,

> >

> > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my eights

> > right!

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Latha Nanda"

<lathananda>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

click

> > on

> > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get to

> see

> > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > >

> > > /database

> > >

> > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the weaponry

> > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > >

> > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am

> > still

> > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if you

> can.

> > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > >

> > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance the

> list

> > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> Sanskrit

> > > equivalent.

> > >

> > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It starts

> with

> > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

feet .

> > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> requesting

> > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association of

the

> > > word to the meaning better.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Maa.

> > > Latha

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Dear Chris and Latha,

Thank you both so much for your replies. Its very illuminating and

helpful. I think I was trying to hold my breath too much, that's why my

daiphragm hurt and I was tired. Even when I was trying to do pranayama

by breathing through my abdomen I think I was straining myself in the

process. On top of that (I do not know if that was the effect of the

japa )I was also having very vivid dreams. I have always noticed that

when I have such dreams I walk like a jombie the entire next day. I will

try to relax a little bit more.

 

Sometimes when I sing the mantras I feel love and devotion, but I have

noticed that when I start focusing on technique I feel the energy rise

but it feels emotionally dry. It is a little easier for me to feel love

and devotion and connected when I am singing or the other way round I

sing when I feel love and devotion(Sometimes I even wonder if mother

even wants to listen to my awful singing). So there are days when I just

force myself to sit and my mind rattles on, then others when I feel

close to maa. This also leaves me with a sense of despair thinking that

I am not making any progress at all. That's why I wanted to integrate

pranayam in the puja.

What do you focus on when you do the japa ??

 

Many Thanks,

Ruchi

 

 

Chris Kirner [chriskirner1956]

Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

Re: Pranayam ....

 

 

Hi Ruchi,

 

I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an entire basic

description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would probably

be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to answer as

I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system of nadis

and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I would

suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

 

Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again and again

in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

 

Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from the

diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the bottom

up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet, without

windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.

 

Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of the nadis

in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways, devotion,

study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the body,

physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of nadi

purification.

 

In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and

small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are closed

off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

strengthen the nadis.

 

In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of various

kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching,

trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in

action.

 

The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If there

is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point where you

need to gasp for air later.

 

Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your

prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and

begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the

process.

 

When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way to

experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the flow

of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of the

reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

 

In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be

concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for it,

and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress determine

the degree of stillness.

 

As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced with

japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced roughness,

smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of which

have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere in

the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and the

chakras.

 

As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

understand exactly what they represent and how best to use them to

enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically, they are

generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued practice.

 

Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your

breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in your

nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If

it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.

 

When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research

ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other

ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed through

many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but

each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so

of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

 

I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing through ajna

chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the miraculous

feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall

approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing it to

slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

 

Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves

felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and

sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the first

day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my capacity

and I paid for it.

 

I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I hope this

has been of some help to you.

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> Dear Latha and Group members,

>

> I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

texts but

> I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this

topic

> has been discussed before, but it would help if you could explain

it

> for a total novice.

> When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing).

Ater

> about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking with

the

> mantra.

> For the past four days I have been trying to do my version(meaning

> whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

mantra

> but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

breathing.

> I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using

the

> right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was

very

> tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

malas.

>

> Please Advice

>

> Regards,

> Ruchi

>

>

>

> Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

>

> Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

>

>

> Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

>

> Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope it

> will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

>

> Chubby Kapolau

> Dimple Cibukam

> Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> Dantaan within

> Netra so blue

> Lovely too

> Maatri's pet

> Is it you ?

>

> Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple Chin

> yata yata yata

>

>

>

>

> , "Chris Kirner"

> <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > Hey,

> >

> > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my eights

> > right!

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Latha Nanda"

<lathananda>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste All,

> > >

> > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

click

> > on

> > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get to

> see

> > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > >

> > > /database

> > >

> > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the weaponry

> > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > >

> > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am

> > still

> > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if you

> can.

> > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > >

> > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance the

> list

> > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> Sanskrit

> > > equivalent.

> > >

> > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It starts

> with

> > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

feet .

> > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> requesting

> > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association of

the

> > > word to the meaning better.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai Maa.

> > > Latha

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Chris,

Thank you for this. I like how you mention the different obstructions

and how they might manifest. I have definitely experienced some of

this and yes, it does seem to pass. I think it was you who mentioned

the yawning as one of these obstrucitons, too. Are these obstructions

also called grantis (sp?)? Thanks for the info.

Namaste,

Lynne

-

Chris Kirner

Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

Re: Pranayam ....

Hi Ruchi,I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an

entire basic description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it

would probably be too much. If you have more questions I will be

happy to answer as I am able, but if you want more detailed info on

the system of nadis and the processes of pranayama within a larger

context, I would suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the

subject. Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again

and again in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from the

diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the bottom

up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet, without

windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the

inhalation.Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification

of the nadis in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various

ways, devotion, study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the

process of the body, physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a

direct method of nadi purification.In most people the nadis are in

various states, some are weak and small, some are strong and large,

some are opened and some are closed off. The process of breathing

properly begins to unblock and strengthen the nadis.In this process

there are many experiences, slight pains of various kinds, feelings

of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching, trembling, etc. All

of these are the process of purification in action.The important

thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If there is pain, back

off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold comfortably, and do

not extend an exhalation to the point where you need to gasp for air

later.Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if

your prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and

begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the

process. When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way to

experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the flow

of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of the

reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.In my

opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be concerned

about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for it, and let

your own experience, will, and desire for progress determine the

degree of stillness. As far as the singing is concerned, I am not

very experienced with japa aloud. But in my own practice I've

experienced roughness, smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of

vowels, all of which have been related to some blockages (or lack

thereof) somewhere in the spinal nadis. There is a relationship

between pitch and the chakras.As I lack any authoritative guidance on

this, I have been experimenting with these phenomena as they appear,

trying to understand exactly what they represent and how best to use

them to enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically,

they are generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued

practice.Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with

your breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in

your nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass.

If it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should

help.When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a

research ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for

other ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed

through many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice,

but each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or

so of driving rain. It was uncomfortable. I was ignorant, but I had

been doing a lot of breathing through ajna chakra and I was full of

the stories and excitement of the miraculous feats of the yogis, so

for a few days, whenever I saw a squall approaching I would begin

tratak (concentration) on it, willing it to slow down, or move aside,

so I would not have to get wet. Well, it seemed to work, but afterward

I was exhausted. My nerves felt stretched and strained, and all I

could do was go below and sleep until my next watch. That I continued

for more than the first day was a testament to my youth and stupidity.

I exceeded my capacity and I paid for it.I hope I haven't gone on too

long (as I tend to do), and I hope this has been of some help to

you.Chris, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:> Dear Latha and Group members,> > I do not

know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit texts but> I do

not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this topic>

has been discussed before, but it would help if you could explain

it> for a total novice.> When I do the japa, over the course of time

my tone of chanting> changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some

kind of singing). Ater> about five malas I only feel comfortable when

I start rocking with the> mantra. > For the past four days I have

been trying to do my version(meaning> whatever I think I have

understood ) of the pranayama with the mantra> but that focuses my

attention away from the mantra and on my breathing.> I also have been

feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using the> right technique.

Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was very> tired and had to

literally force myself to sit through the ten malas.> > Please Advice>

> Regards,> Ruchi> > > > Latha Nanda

[lathananda] > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM>

> Kavach -

Nursery Rhyme> > > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools

possible to aid our > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?>

> Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope it

> will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...> >

Chubby Kapolau> Dimple Cibukam> Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare> Dantaan

within> Netra so blue> Lovely too> Maatri's pet> Is it you ?> >

Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple Chin >

yata yata yata > > > > > , "Chris

Kirner" > <chriskirner1956> wrote:> > Hey,> > > > I'll be

satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my eights> > right!>

> > > Chris> > > > > > > > , "Latha

Nanda" <lathananda>> > wrote:> > > Namaste All,> > > > > > If

you login to and come to the group's home page and click> > on>

> > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get to>

see > > > the tables that I have created for our use.> > > > > >

/database> > > > > > There

is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the weaponry> > >

across the different chapters that we go through.> > > > > > There is

another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am> > still> > >

adding to this table and request you all to add in too if you> can. >

> > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).> > > > > > The

purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance the> list > >

> of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their>

Sanskrit > > > equivalent.> > > > > > Hey did you notice that the

Kavach is very orderly ? It starts> with > > > the head and works its

way down the body and ends with the feet .> > > When I chant, I point

to the part of the body that I am > requesting > > > the Goddess to

protect and that helps make the association of the> > > word to the

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Lynne,

 

The granthis are really BIG obstructions, located in shushmna nadi.

They are called Brahma, Rudra, and Vishnu, and are located at the

opening of shushumna at the base of the tailbone, the anahata, and

ajna chakra. They are said to comprise knots of karmas with their

concommitant desires/aversions and emotional residue. Each is said to

be different, and difficult to pass.

 

Chris

 

 

 

, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...>

wrote:

> Chris,

> Thank you for this. I like how you mention the different

obstructions and how they might manifest. I have definitely

experienced some of this and yes, it does seem to pass. I think it

was you who mentioned the yawning as one of these obstrucitons, too.

Are these obstructions also called grantis (sp?)? Thanks for the

info.

> Namaste,

> Lynne

> -

> Chris Kirner

>

> Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

> Re: Pranayam ....

>

>

> Hi Ruchi,

>

> I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an entire

basic

> description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would

probably

> be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to answer

as

> I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system of

nadis

> and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I would

> suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

>

> Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again and

again

> in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

>

> Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from

the

> diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the

bottom

> up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet,

without

> windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.

>

> Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of the

nadis

> in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways,

devotion,

> study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the

body,

> physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of

nadi

> purification.

>

> In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and

> small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are

closed

> off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

> strengthen the nadis.

>

> In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of

various

> kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching,

> trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in

> action.

>

> The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If

there

> is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

> comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point where

you

> need to gasp for air later.

>

> Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if

your

> prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

> yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

> performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise

and

> begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to

the

> process.

>

> When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

> uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way

to

> experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the

flow

> of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

> relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of

the

> reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

>

> In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be

> concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for

it,

> and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress

determine

> the degree of stillness.

>

> As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced

with

> japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced roughness,

> smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of

which

> have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere

in

> the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and the

> chakras.

>

> As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

> experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

> understand exactly what they represent and how best to use them

to

> enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically, they

are

> generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued

practice.

>

> Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your

> breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in

your

> nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass.

If

> it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.

>

> When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research

> ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other

> ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed

through

> many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but

> each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or

so

> of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

>

> I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing through

ajna

> chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the

miraculous

> feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall

> approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing

it to

> slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

>

> Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves

> felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and

> sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the

first

> day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my

capacity

> and I paid for it.

>

> I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I hope

this

> has been of some help to you.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "Khanna, Ruchi"

> <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> > Dear Latha and Group members,

> >

> > I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

> texts but

> > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that

this

> topic

> > has been discussed before, but it would help if you could

explain

> it

> > for a total novice.

> > When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> > changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of

singing).

> Ater

> > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking

with

> the

> > mantra.

> > For the past four days I have been trying to do my version

(meaning

> > whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

> mantra

> > but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

> breathing.

> > I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not

using

> the

> > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I

was

> very

> > tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

> malas.

> >

> > Please Advice

> >

> > Regards,

> > Ruchi

> >

> >

> >

> > Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

> >

> > Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

> >

> >

> > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

> >

> > Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating.

Hope it

> > will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

> >

> > Chubby Kapolau

> > Dimple Cibukam

> > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> > Dantaan within

> > Netra so blue

> > Lovely too

> > Maatri's pet

> > Is it you ?

> >

> > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple

Chin

> > yata yata yata

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > Hey,

> > >

> > > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my

eights

> > > right!

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Latha Nanda"

> <lathananda>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste All,

> > > >

> > > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

> click

> > > on

> > > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will

get to

> > see

> > > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > > >

> > > > /database

> > > >

> > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

weaponry

> > > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > > >

> > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I

am

> > > still

> > > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if

you

> > can.

> > > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance

the

> > list

> > > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> > Sanskrit

> > > > equivalent.

> > > >

> > > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It

starts

> > with

> > > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

> feet .

> > > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> > requesting

> > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association

of

> the

> > > > word to the meaning better.

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Thanks, Chris. Very clear info. and very helpful. I'm still yawning...

Namaste,

Lynne

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Chris Kirner

Friday, April 09, 2004 8:46 PM

Re: Pranayam ....

Lynne,The granthis are really BIG obstructions, located in shushmna

nadi. They are called Brahma, Rudra, and Vishnu, and are located at

the opening of shushumna at the base of the tailbone, the anahata,

and ajna chakra. They are said to comprise knots of karmas with their

concommitant desires/aversions and emotional residue. Each is said to

be different, and difficult to pass. Chris --- In

, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote:>

Chris,> Thank you for this. I like how you mention the different

obstructions and how they might manifest. I have definitely

experienced some of this and yes, it does seem to pass. I think it

was you who mentioned the yawning as one of these obstrucitons, too.

Are these obstructions also called grantis (sp?)? Thanks for the

info.> Namaste,> Lynne> - >

Chris Kirner > > Friday,

April 09, 2004 4:00 PM> Re: Pranayam ....> >

> Hi Ruchi,> > I had to struggle with myself not to provide for

you an entire basic > description of the fundamentals of pranayama,

but it would probably > be too much. If you have more questions I

will be happy to answer as > I am able, but if you want more

detailed info on the system of nadis > and the processes of

pranayama within a larger context, I would > suggest getting a good

basic yoga book on the subject. > > Suffice it to say that control

of the breath is cited again and again > in the scriptures as the

means and sign of attainment. > > Fundamentally, the breath should

always be full, starting from the > diaphragm (the abdomen expands

first, then the chest from the bottom > up), even, without any

catches or interruptions, and quiet, without > windy noise. The

exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.> > Spiritual

progress can be understood as the purification of the nadis > in

the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways, devotion, >

study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the body, >

physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of nadi

> purification.> > In most people the nadis are in various states,

some are weak and > small, some are strong and large, some are

opened and some are closed > off. The process of breathing properly

begins to unblock and > strengthen the nadis.> > In this process

there are many experiences, slight pains of various > kinds,

feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching, >

trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in >

action.> > The important thing is that you do not exceed your

capacity. If there > is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more

than you can hold > comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to

the point where you > need to gasp for air later.> > Now, to my

opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your > prana is

awakening to the process of purification you've set for > yourself.

The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and > performing

spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and > begin

unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the >

process. > > When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels

vaguely > uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an

easy way to > experience this easily). Movement of the body or a

change in the flow > of the breath are easy ways to bypass the

obstruction, and find > relief, but does little to remove the

obstruction. That is one of the > reasons it is important to sit

unmoving and breathe properly.> > In my opinion, the movement of

your body is not anything to be > concerned about. Just be aware of

the ideal, and the reasons for it, > and let your own experience,

will, and desire for progress determine > the degree of stillness.

> > As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced

with > japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced

roughness, > smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels,

all of which > have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof)

somewhere in > the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between

pitch and the > chakras.> > As I lack any authoritative guidance

on this, I have been > experimenting with these phenomena as they

appear, trying to > understand exactly what they represent and how

best to use them to > enhance the practice. But whatever they are

specifically, they are > generally obstructions, and will disappear

with continued practice.> > Your tiredness could mean you're

exceeding you capacity with your > breath. Or it could be the

mental aspect of an obstruction in your > nadis you're working

through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If > it is the former,

reducing the length of your breath should help.> > When I was first

practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research > ship. I spent

many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other > ships. There

was a certain trip in the spring when we passed through > many

small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but > each

time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so > of

driving rain. It was uncomfortable. > > I was ignorant, but I had

been doing a lot of breathing through ajna > chakra and I was full

of the stories and excitement of the miraculous > feats of the

yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall > approaching I

would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing it to > slow

down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet. > > Well, it

seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves > felt

stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and > sleep

until my next watch. That I continued for more than the first > day

was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my capacity >

and I paid for it.> > I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend

to do), and I hope this > has been of some help to you.> > Chris>

> > > , "Khanna, Ruchi" >

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:> > Dear Latha and Group members,> > >

> I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit >

texts but> > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know

that this > topic> > has been discussed before, but it would help

if you could explain > it> > for a total novice.> > When I do

the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting> >

changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing). >

Ater> > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start

rocking with > the> > mantra. > > For the past four days I have

been trying to do my version(meaning> > whatever I think I have

understood ) of the pranayama with the > mantra> > but that

focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my > breathing.>

> I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using >

the> > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I

was > very> > tired and had to literally force myself to sit

through the ten > malas.> > > > Please Advice> > > >

Regards,> > Ruchi> > > > > > > >

Latha Nanda [lathananda] > > Thursday,

April 08, 2004 10:36 AM> > > >

Kavach - Nursery Rhyme> > > > > > Ahem !

We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our > >

learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?> > > > Here is one

for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope it > > will

make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...> > > >

Chubby Kapolau> > Dimple Cibukam> > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare>

> Dantaan within> > Netra so blue> > Lovely too> > Maatri's pet>

> Is it you ?> > > > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme -

Chubby Cheeks Dimple Chin > > yata yata yata > > > > > > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner" > >

<chriskirner1956> wrote:> > > Hey,> > > > > > I'll be

satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my eights> > >

right!> > > > > > Chris> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Latha Nanda" > <lathananda>> >

> wrote:> > > > Namaste All,> > > > > > > > If you login to

and come to the group's home page and > click> > > on> >

> > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get to>

> see > > > > the tables that I have created for our use.> > > >

> > > > /database> > > >

> > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

weaponry> > > > across the different chapters that we go through.>

> > > > > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the

Kavach. I am> > > still> > > > adding to this table and request

you all to add in too if you> > can. > > > > (Anybody can add and

edit their own records).> > > > > > > > The purpose of the

vocabulary table is to give at a glance the> > list > > > > of

the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their> > Sanskrit

> > > > equivalent.> > > > > > > > Hey did you notice that the

Kavach is very orderly ? It starts> > with > > > > the head and

works its way down the body and ends with the > feet .> > > >

When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am > >

requesting > > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the

association of > the> > > > word to the meaning better.> > > >

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Ruchi,

 

This issue of dry technique vs. feeling devotion is a difficult one.

For me, I probably focus too much on Shakti and not enough on

devotion. I think there is a kind of balancing act that goes on,

unless, that is, bhakti is your path (and perhaps even then, for

there are stages, even in bhakti).

 

You say that when you concentrate on technique you feel the energy

rising. This is a good thing, but you're right, it is rather

mechanical. It doesn't have to be entirely mechanical, but often it

is.

 

Many of the techniques of yoga can be thought of in terms of

purifying austerities. They are like spiritual exercises, and just

like when we work out at the gym, the body tires and the muscles feel

weaker. The benefit is realized only after we leave the gym. It is

often the same with spiritual practices. The dry focus on technique

which allows a more profound experience of Shakti during practice

allows the experience of increased purity of devotion later.

 

This is not to say devotion should not be nurtured during the

practice of technique as an effort to counteract the dryness. My

gurudeva used to write that yoga practice should be greased with

love. Tantra shines in this aspect of practice. Elaborate

descriptions of the glories of the Goddess and the benefits of

practiced are intersperced with technical practices designed to

purify and deepen experience. You can try to do the same, if you feel

dry at any particular time. Remember Her (or Him).

 

Remember that your life force, your prana, is the Goddess herself,

and it is that very prana which rises, in concert with the breath,

during practice. In this sense, it is not just a practice, like

pumping water from a well, but a relationship with Her. Remember also

that purifying austerities are pleasing to both Her and the gurudeva.

Being mindful of these things can help.

 

About my experience...it is somewhere in the middle ground, I think,

between being dead to mantra shakti and realizing the consciousness

of a particular mantra shakti. There's a lot of ground to fall on

there.

 

If it is a new mantra, or one that I don't seem to have an immediate

connection with, it is helpful for me to concentrate on the feeling

of the meaning, or its purpose, while I do japa. It helps to

establish a devotional connection with the mantra. After all, the

mantra is Divine Mother too.

 

Once a connection is established I pay attention to the changes the

mantra makes in my consciousness, and try to focus on that. It is

difficult to explain, but that seems to involve a slightly blissful

vibration and a narrowing of focus. Then I kind of watch as the

vibrations of the mantra increase the focus and the feeling of

building energy. Usually, the energy wants to go somewhere, usually

up, and I follow it. Generally, I try to get it as high as possible,

but sometimes it wants to stay somewhere, anahata, for instance, and

I let it.

 

These past few years, my experience has mostly focused on the

movement (or lack thereof) up my spine. I have so many obstructions

that Shakti has trouble moving upward. So I feel a series of pulses

during practice, as pressure builds in one place, then releases,

moving upward. With each release there is an increase in one-

pointedness and depth (there is also a nice blissful feeling).

 

I do not generally experience the kind of intrusive running dialogue

you described anymore. That is not to say my mind does not obstruct

my concentration, but it is different than it was. Instead of being

concerned with the external aspects of life it focuses on my

experiences during practice. Always watching and commenting, "Oh,

that was nice,What's happening?," and "Are we sure we want to go

there?" That kind of thing. More subtle perhaps, but still a

distraction.

 

Well, I hope I have been of help. It's been nice talking with you.

May Mother bless your sadhana.

 

Chris

 

 

, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> Dear Chris and Latha,

> Thank you both so much for your replies. Its very illuminating and

> helpful. I think I was trying to hold my breath too much, that's

why my

> daiphragm hurt and I was tired. Even when I was trying to do

pranayama

> by breathing through my abdomen I think I was straining myself in

the

> process. On top of that (I do not know if that was the effect of the

> japa )I was also having very vivid dreams. I have always noticed

that

> when I have such dreams I walk like a jombie the entire next day. I

will

> try to relax a little bit more.

>

> Sometimes when I sing the mantras I feel love and devotion, but I

have

> noticed that when I start focusing on technique I feel the energy

rise

> but it feels emotionally dry. It is a little easier for me to feel

love

> and devotion and connected when I am singing or the other way round

I

> sing when I feel love and devotion(Sometimes I even wonder if mother

> even wants to listen to my awful singing). So there are days when I

just

> force myself to sit and my mind rattles on, then others when I feel

> close to maa. This also leaves me with a sense of despair thinking

that

> I am not making any progress at all. That's why I wanted to

integrate

> pranayam in the puja.

> What do you focus on when you do the japa ??

>

> Many Thanks,

> Ruchi

>

>

> Chris Kirner [chriskirner1956]

> Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

>

> Re: Pranayam ....

>

>

> Hi Ruchi,

>

> I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an entire

basic

> description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would probably

> be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to answer

as

> I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system of

nadis

> and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I would

> suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

>

> Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again and

again

> in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

>

> Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from the

> diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the

bottom

> up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet, without

> windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.

>

> Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of the

nadis

> in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways, devotion,

> study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the body,

> physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of

nadi

> purification.

>

> In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and

> small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are

closed

> off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

> strengthen the nadis.

>

> In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of various

> kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching,

> trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in

> action.

>

> The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If

there

> is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

> comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point where you

> need to gasp for air later.

>

> Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your

> prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

> yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

> performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and

> begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the

> process.

>

> When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

> uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way to

> experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the

flow

> of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

> relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of

the

> reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

>

> In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be

> concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for

it,

> and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress

determine

> the degree of stillness.

>

> As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced with

> japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced roughness,

> smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of which

> have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere in

> the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and the

> chakras.

>

> As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

> experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

> understand exactly what they represent and how best to use them to

> enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically, they are

> generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued practice.

>

> Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your

> breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in your

> nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If

> it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.

>

> When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research

> ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other

> ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed

through

> many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but

> each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so

> of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

>

> I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing through

ajna

> chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the

miraculous

> feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall

> approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing it

to

> slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

>

> Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves

> felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and

> sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the first

> day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my

capacity

> and I paid for it.

>

> I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I hope

this

> has been of some help to you.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "Khanna, Ruchi"

> <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> > Dear Latha and Group members,

> >

> > I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

> texts but

> > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this

> topic

> > has been discussed before, but it would help if you could explain

> it

> > for a total novice.

> > When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> > changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing).

> Ater

> > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking with

> the

> > mantra.

> > For the past four days I have been trying to do my version(meaning

> > whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

> mantra

> > but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

> breathing.

> > I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using

> the

> > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was

> very

> > tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

> malas.

> >

> > Please Advice

> >

> > Regards,

> > Ruchi

> >

> >

> >

> > Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

> >

> > Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

> >

> >

> > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

> >

> > Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope

it

> > will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

> >

> > Chubby Kapolau

> > Dimple Cibukam

> > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> > Dantaan within

> > Netra so blue

> > Lovely too

> > Maatri's pet

> > Is it you ?

> >

> > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple

Chin

> > yata yata yata

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > Hey,

> > >

> > > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my

eights

> > > right!

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Latha Nanda"

> <lathananda>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste All,

> > > >

> > > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

> click

> > > on

> > > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get

to

> > see

> > > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > > >

> > > > /database

> > > >

> > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

weaponry

> > > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > > >

> > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am

> > > still

> > > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if you

> > can.

> > > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance the

> > list

> > > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> > Sanskrit

> > > > equivalent.

> > > >

> > > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It starts

> > with

> > > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

> feet .

> > > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> > requesting

> > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association of

> the

> > > > word to the meaning better.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa.

> > > > Latha

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Lynne,

Not only am I yawning, but tears are streaming down my face and my

nose starts running too. But it feels great!!

Maureen

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Lynne McKinnon

Saturday, April 10, 2004 6:28 AM

Re: Re: Pranayam ....

Thanks, Chris. Very clear info. and very helpful. I'm still yawning...

Namaste,

Lynne

-

Chris Kirner

Friday, April 09, 2004 8:46 PM

Re: Pranayam ....

Lynne,The granthis are really BIG obstructions, located in shushmna

nadi. They are called Brahma, Rudra, and Vishnu, and are located at

the opening of shushumna at the base of the tailbone, the anahata,

and ajna chakra. They are said to comprise knots of karmas with their

concommitant desires/aversions and emotional residue. Each is said to

be different, and difficult to pass. Chris --- In

, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...> wrote:>

Chris,> Thank you for this. I like how you mention the different

obstructions and how they might manifest. I have definitely

experienced some of this and yes, it does seem to pass. I think it

was you who mentioned the yawning as one of these obstrucitons, too.

Are these obstructions also called grantis (sp?)? Thanks for the

info.> Namaste,> Lynne> - >

Chris Kirner > > Friday,

April 09, 2004 4:00 PM> Re: Pranayam ....> >

> Hi Ruchi,> > I had to struggle with myself not to provide for

you an entire basic > description of the fundamentals of pranayama,

but it would probably > be too much. If you have more questions I

will be happy to answer as > I am able, but if you want more

detailed info on the system of nadis > and the processes of

pranayama within a larger context, I would > suggest getting a good

basic yoga book on the subject. > > Suffice it to say that control

of the breath is cited again and again > in the scriptures as the

means and sign of attainment. > > Fundamentally, the breath should

always be full, starting from the > diaphragm (the abdomen expands

first, then the chest from the bottom > up), even, without any

catches or interruptions, and quiet, without > windy noise. The

exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.> > Spiritual

progress can be understood as the purification of the nadis > in

the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways, devotion, >

study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the body, >

physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of nadi

> purification.> > In most people the nadis are in various states,

some are weak and > small, some are strong and large, some are

opened and some are closed > off. The process of breathing properly

begins to unblock and > strengthen the nadis.> > In this process

there are many experiences, slight pains of various > kinds,

feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching, >

trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in >

action.> > The important thing is that you do not exceed your

capacity. If there > is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more

than you can hold > comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to

the point where you > need to gasp for air later.> > Now, to my

opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your > prana is

awakening to the process of purification you've set for > yourself.

The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and > performing

spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and > begin

unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the >

process. > > When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels

vaguely > uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an

easy way to > experience this easily). Movement of the body or a

change in the flow > of the breath are easy ways to bypass the

obstruction, and find > relief, but does little to remove the

obstruction. That is one of the > reasons it is important to sit

unmoving and breathe properly.> > In my opinion, the movement of

your body is not anything to be > concerned about. Just be aware of

the ideal, and the reasons for it, > and let your own experience,

will, and desire for progress determine > the degree of stillness.

> > As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced

with > japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced

roughness, > smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels,

all of which > have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof)

somewhere in > the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between

pitch and the > chakras.> > As I lack any authoritative guidance

on this, I have been > experimenting with these phenomena as they

appear, trying to > understand exactly what they represent and how

best to use them to > enhance the practice. But whatever they are

specifically, they are > generally obstructions, and will disappear

with continued practice.> > Your tiredness could mean you're

exceeding you capacity with your > breath. Or it could be the

mental aspect of an obstruction in your > nadis you're working

through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If > it is the former,

reducing the length of your breath should help.> > When I was first

practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research > ship. I spent

many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other > ships. There

was a certain trip in the spring when we passed through > many

small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but > each

time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so > of

driving rain. It was uncomfortable. > > I was ignorant, but I had

been doing a lot of breathing through ajna > chakra and I was full

of the stories and excitement of the miraculous > feats of the

yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall > approaching I

would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing it to > slow

down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet. > > Well, it

seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves > felt

stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and > sleep

until my next watch. That I continued for more than the first > day

was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my capacity >

and I paid for it.> > I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend

to do), and I hope this > has been of some help to you.> > Chris>

> > > , "Khanna, Ruchi" >

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:> > Dear Latha and Group members,> > >

> I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit >

texts but> > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know

that this > topic> > has been discussed before, but it would help

if you could explain > it> > for a total novice.> > When I do

the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting> >

changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing). >

Ater> > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start

rocking with > the> > mantra. > > For the past four days I have

been trying to do my version(meaning> > whatever I think I have

understood ) of the pranayama with the > mantra> > but that

focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my > breathing.>

> I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using >

the> > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I

was > very> > tired and had to literally force myself to sit

through the ten > malas.> > > > Please Advice> > > >

Regards,> > Ruchi> > > > > > > >

Latha Nanda [lathananda] > > Thursday,

April 08, 2004 10:36 AM> > > >

Kavach - Nursery Rhyme> > > > > > Ahem !

We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our > >

learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?> > > > Here is one

for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope it > > will

make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...> > > >

Chubby Kapolau> > Dimple Cibukam> > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare>

> Dantaan within> > Netra so blue> > Lovely too> > Maatri's pet>

> Is it you ?> > > > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme -

Chubby Cheeks Dimple Chin > > yata yata yata > > > > > > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner" > >

<chriskirner1956> wrote:> > > Hey,> > > > > > I'll be

satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my eights> > >

right!> > > > > > Chris> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Latha Nanda" > <lathananda>> >

> wrote:> > > > Namaste All,> > > > > > > > If you login to

and come to the group's home page and > click> > > on> >

> > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get to>

> see > > > > the tables that I have created for our use.> > > >

> > > > /database> > > >

> > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

weaponry> > > > across the different chapters that we go through.>

> > > > > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the

Kavach. I am> > > still> > > > adding to this table and request

you all to add in too if you> > can. > > > > (Anybody can add and

edit their own records).> > > > > > > > The purpose of the

vocabulary table is to give at a glance the> > list > > > > of

the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their> > Sanskrit

> > > > equivalent.> > > > > > > > Hey did you notice that the

Kavach is very orderly ? It starts> > with > > > > the head and

works its way down the body and ends with the > feet .> > > >

When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am > >

requesting > > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the

association of > the> > > > word to the meaning better.> > > >

> > > > > > > > Jai Maa.> > > > Latha> > > > > > > > >

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Lynne,

 

If you're still yawning it's possible it's a nostril dominance thing.

 

The left nostril connects with Ida (Irha) nadi, and the right with

Pingala. Ida is the lunar nadi and Pingala the solar (also called

Chandra and Surya). There is a natural progression of dominance from

one nostril to the other throughout the day. When both flow equally,

sushumna activates. This occurs naturally for an instant between each

change in dominance and for a longer period near dawn (brahmamahurta)

and dusk (sandhya). That is one of the reasons these two time are

considered good for meditation.

 

Anyway, when Chandra is dominant there is less energy, and a more

inward perspective. It is better for meditative tasks, but can cause

sleep during meditation. When Surya is dominant there is more energy

and a more external perspective. It is better for active tasks. It

makes the mind want to be up and doing during meditation practice

(not good). There is a whole science for this called Swarodhaya. It

is very subtle (not that I know anything about it).

 

Next time you find yourself yawning, see if you feel lethargic, or if

its something else. If you feel lethargic, try pinching your right

nostril closed with your hand and breathing in. See how smoothly the

breath flows. Then do the same with the left nostril. If the left

nostril is more open, then it is the dominant nostril and is likely

responsible for your lethargy. Sometimes the difference is very

subtle though. There was a time in my practice when this was a

problem and I could not detect any real difference between the flows.

I increased the activation of Surya anyway and solved the problem.

 

Ideally, the breath should flow smoothly and clearly through both

nostrils during meditation. This means both Ida and Pingala are

active and stimulating the flow of prana in shushumna nadi, which is

the goal of meditation (on a mechanical level).

 

If there is a nostril dominance problem, you should try to activate

the other nostril so that the breath flows equally. This can be

accomplished through alternate nostril pranayama (best method), by

concentrating on the flow of breath across the septum at the opening

of the nostril you want to activate (more difficult), or laying on

the side opposite to the side you want opened, with the arm beneath

you (right side to open left nostril, etc.) Working with nostril

dominance will become easier with time, but it is important to

remember it is a natural rhythmic process, and shouldn't be

manipulated too freely.

 

 

, "Lynne McKinnon" <omgirl@p...>

wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. Very clear info. and very helpful. I'm still

yawning...

> Namaste,

> Lynne

> -

> Chris Kirner

>

> Friday, April 09, 2004 8:46 PM

> Re: Pranayam ....

>

>

> Lynne,

>

> The granthis are really BIG obstructions, located in shushmna

nadi.

> They are called Brahma, Rudra, and Vishnu, and are located at the

> opening of shushumna at the base of the tailbone, the anahata,

and

> ajna chakra. They are said to comprise knots of karmas with their

> concommitant desires/aversions and emotional residue. Each is

said to

> be different, and difficult to pass.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "Lynne McKinnon"

<omgirl@p...>

> wrote:

> > Chris,

> > Thank you for this. I like how you mention the different

> obstructions and how they might manifest. I have definitely

> experienced some of this and yes, it does seem to pass. I think

it

> was you who mentioned the yawning as one of these obstrucitons,

too.

> Are these obstructions also called grantis (sp?)? Thanks for the

> info.

> > Namaste,

> > Lynne

> > -

> > Chris Kirner

> >

> > Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

> > Re: Pranayam ....

> >

> >

> > Hi Ruchi,

> >

> > I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an

entire

> basic

> > description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would

> probably

> > be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to

answer

> as

> > I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system

of

> nadis

> > and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I

would

> > suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

> >

> > Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again

and

> again

> > in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

> >

> > Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting

from

> the

> > diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the

> bottom

> > up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet,

> without

> > windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the

inhalation.

> >

> > Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of

the

> nadis

> > in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways,

> devotion,

> > study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the

> body,

> > physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method

of

> nadi

> > purification.

> >

> > In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak

and

> > small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some

are

> closed

> > off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

> > strengthen the nadis.

> >

> > In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of

> various

> > kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat,

itching,

> > trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification

in

> > action.

> >

> > The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity.

If

> there

> > is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

> > comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point

where

> you

> > need to gasp for air later.

> >

> > Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if

> your

> > prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set

for

> > yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana

and

> > performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to

rise

> and

> > begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds

to

> the

> > process.

> >

> > When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

> > uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy

way

> to

> > experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in

the

> flow

> > of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and

find

> > relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is

one of

> the

> > reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

> >

> > In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to

be

> > concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons

for

> it,

> > and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress

> determine

> > the degree of stillness.

> >

> > As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced

> with

> > japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced

roughness,

> > smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of

> which

> > have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof)

somewhere

> in

> > the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and

the

> > chakras.

> >

> > As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

> > experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

> > understand exactly what they represent and how best to use

them

> to

> > enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically,

they

> are

> > generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued

> practice.

> >

> > Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with

your

> > breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in

> your

> > nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will

pass.

> If

> > it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should

help.

> >

> > When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a

research

> > ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for

other

> > ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed

> through

> > many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice,

but

> > each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes

or

> so

> > of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

> >

> > I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing

through

> ajna

> > chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the

> miraculous

> > feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a

squall

> > approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it,

willing

> it to

> > slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

> >

> > Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My

nerves

> > felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below

and

> > sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the

> first

> > day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my

> capacity

> > and I paid for it.

> >

> > I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I

hope

> this

> > has been of some help to you.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Khanna, Ruchi"

> > <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> > > Dear Latha and Group members,

> > >

> > > I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the

Sanskrit

> > texts but

> > > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that

> this

> > topic

> > > has been discussed before, but it would help if you could

> explain

> > it

> > > for a total novice.

> > > When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of

chanting

> > > changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of

> singing).

> > Ater

> > > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start

rocking

> with

> > the

> > > mantra.

> > > For the past four days I have been trying to do my version

> (meaning

> > > whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with

the

> > mantra

> > > but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on

my

> > breathing.

> > > I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not

> using

> > the

> > > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all.

I

> was

> > very

> > > tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the

ten

> > malas.

> > >

> > > Please Advice

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Ruchi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> > > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

> > >

> > > Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid

our

> > > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

> > >

> > > Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating.

> Hope it

> > > will make you remember atleast a few words from the

Kavach ...

> > >

> > > Chubby Kapolau

> > > Dimple Cibukam

> > > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> > > Dantaan within

> > > Netra so blue

> > > Lovely too

> > > Maatri's pet

> > > Is it you ?

> > >

> > > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks

Dimple

> Chin

> > > yata yata yata

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

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> > > >

> > > > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get

my

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> > > > right!

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Latha Nanda"

> > <lathananda>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste All,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you login to and come to the group's home page

and

> > click

> > > > on

> > > > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you

will

> get to

> > > see

> > > > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > > > >

> > > > > /database

> > > > >

> > > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

> weaponry

> > > > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the

Kavach. I

> am

> > > > still

> > > > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too

if

> you

> > > can.

> > > > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > > > >

> > > > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a

glance

> the

> > > list

> > > > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and

their

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > equivalent.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It

> starts

> > > with

> > > > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with

the

> > feet .

> > > > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> > > requesting

> > > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the

association

> of

> > the

> > > > > word to the meaning better.

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Chris,

I just want to say a BIG THANKYOU.

Your email has put things in prespective for me. I was struggling with

devotion vs. technique. And those days when I would not feel connected I

would get up frustrated from the puja but now I can classify them as

energy blocks.

For the past few days I have moved away from singing. Now I am doing

five malas whispering and the other five silent. This is saving me a

lot of energy and has helped me focus much better.My mind is also

calming down.

When I was much younger one fine day I just felt connected and had a

wave of devotion rise in my heart. For the long time afterwards I felt

mothers presence with me. But I was young at that time and new nothing

about spiritual matters so I never practiced and eventually I lost it.

And since then I am just crying, trying to reconnect. But now I am

realizing that sadhana purifies and being engrossed in worldly matters

just made me move away from the divine.Your email definitely helped me

understand that everything is her. And I hope that one day that fountain

of love that flew through my heart one time will flow again.

 

Much Thanks,

Ruchi

 

 

 

Chris Kirner [chriskirner1956]

Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:38 PM

Re: Pranayam ....

 

 

Ruchi,

 

This issue of dry technique vs. feeling devotion is a difficult one.

For me, I probably focus too much on Shakti and not enough on

devotion. I think there is a kind of balancing act that goes on,

unless, that is, bhakti is your path (and perhaps even then, for

there are stages, even in bhakti).

 

You say that when you concentrate on technique you feel the energy

rising. This is a good thing, but you're right, it is rather

mechanical. It doesn't have to be entirely mechanical, but often it

is.

 

Many of the techniques of yoga can be thought of in terms of

purifying austerities. They are like spiritual exercises, and just

like when we work out at the gym, the body tires and the muscles feel

weaker. The benefit is realized only after we leave the gym. It is

often the same with spiritual practices. The dry focus on technique

which allows a more profound experience of Shakti during practice

allows the experience of increased purity of devotion later.

 

This is not to say devotion should not be nurtured during the

practice of technique as an effort to counteract the dryness. My

gurudeva used to write that yoga practice should be greased with

love. Tantra shines in this aspect of practice. Elaborate

descriptions of the glories of the Goddess and the benefits of

practiced are intersperced with technical practices designed to

purify and deepen experience. You can try to do the same, if you feel

dry at any particular time. Remember Her (or Him).

 

Remember that your life force, your prana, is the Goddess herself,

and it is that very prana which rises, in concert with the breath,

during practice. In this sense, it is not just a practice, like

pumping water from a well, but a relationship with Her. Remember also

that purifying austerities are pleasing to both Her and the gurudeva.

Being mindful of these things can help.

 

About my experience...it is somewhere in the middle ground, I think,

between being dead to mantra shakti and realizing the consciousness

of a particular mantra shakti. There's a lot of ground to fall on

there.

 

If it is a new mantra, or one that I don't seem to have an immediate

connection with, it is helpful for me to concentrate on the feeling

of the meaning, or its purpose, while I do japa. It helps to

establish a devotional connection with the mantra. After all, the

mantra is Divine Mother too.

 

Once a connection is established I pay attention to the changes the

mantra makes in my consciousness, and try to focus on that. It is

difficult to explain, but that seems to involve a slightly blissful

vibration and a narrowing of focus. Then I kind of watch as the

vibrations of the mantra increase the focus and the feeling of

building energy. Usually, the energy wants to go somewhere, usually

up, and I follow it. Generally, I try to get it as high as possible,

but sometimes it wants to stay somewhere, anahata, for instance, and

I let it.

 

These past few years, my experience has mostly focused on the

movement (or lack thereof) up my spine. I have so many obstructions

that Shakti has trouble moving upward. So I feel a series of pulses

during practice, as pressure builds in one place, then releases,

moving upward. With each release there is an increase in one-

pointedness and depth (there is also a nice blissful feeling).

 

I do not generally experience the kind of intrusive running dialogue

you described anymore. That is not to say my mind does not obstruct

my concentration, but it is different than it was. Instead of being

concerned with the external aspects of life it focuses on my

experiences during practice. Always watching and commenting, "Oh,

that was nice,What's happening?," and "Are we sure we want to go

there?" That kind of thing. More subtle perhaps, but still a

distraction.

 

Well, I hope I have been of help. It's been nice talking with you.

May Mother bless your sadhana.

 

Chris

 

 

, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> Dear Chris and Latha,

> Thank you both so much for your replies. Its very illuminating and

> helpful. I think I was trying to hold my breath too much, that's

why my

> daiphragm hurt and I was tired. Even when I was trying to do

pranayama

> by breathing through my abdomen I think I was straining myself in

the

> process. On top of that (I do not know if that was the effect of the

> japa )I was also having very vivid dreams. I have always noticed

that

> when I have such dreams I walk like a jombie the entire next day. I

will

> try to relax a little bit more.

>

> Sometimes when I sing the mantras I feel love and devotion, but I

have

> noticed that when I start focusing on technique I feel the energy

rise

> but it feels emotionally dry. It is a little easier for me to feel

love

> and devotion and connected when I am singing or the other way round

I

> sing when I feel love and devotion(Sometimes I even wonder if mother

> even wants to listen to my awful singing). So there are days when I

just

> force myself to sit and my mind rattles on, then others when I feel

> close to maa. This also leaves me with a sense of despair thinking

that

> I am not making any progress at all. That's why I wanted to

integrate

> pranayam in the puja.

> What do you focus on when you do the japa ??

>

> Many Thanks,

> Ruchi

>

>

> Chris Kirner [chriskirner1956]

> Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

>

> Re: Pranayam ....

>

>

> Hi Ruchi,

>

> I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an entire

basic

> description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would probably

> be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to answer

as

> I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system of

nadis

> and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I would

> suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

>

> Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again and

again

> in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

>

> Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from the

> diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the

bottom

> up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet, without

> windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.

>

> Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of the

nadis

> in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways, devotion,

> study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the body,

> physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of

nadi

> purification.

>

> In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and

> small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are

closed

> off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

> strengthen the nadis.

>

> In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of various

> kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching,

> trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in

> action.

>

> The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If

there

> is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

> comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point where you

> need to gasp for air later.

>

> Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your

> prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

> yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

> performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and

> begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the

> process.

>

> When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

> uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way to

> experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the

flow

> of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

> relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of

the

> reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

>

> In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be

> concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for

it,

> and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress

determine

> the degree of stillness.

>

> As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced with

> japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced roughness,

> smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of which

> have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere in

> the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and the

> chakras.

>

> As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

> experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

> understand exactly what they represent and how best to use them to

> enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically, they are

> generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued practice.

>

> Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your

> breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in your

> nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If

> it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.

>

> When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research

> ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other

> ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed

through

> many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but

> each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so

> of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

>

> I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing through

ajna

> chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the

miraculous

> feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall

> approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing it

to

> slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

>

> Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves

> felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and

> sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the first

> day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my

capacity

> and I paid for it.

>

> I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I hope

this

> has been of some help to you.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> , "Khanna, Ruchi"

> <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> > Dear Latha and Group members,

> >

> > I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

> texts but

> > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this

> topic

> > has been discussed before, but it would help if you could explain

> it

> > for a total novice.

> > When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> > changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of singing).

> Ater

> > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking with

> the

> > mantra.

> > For the past four days I have been trying to do my version(meaning

> > whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

> mantra

> > but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

> breathing.

> > I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using

> the

> > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was

> very

> > tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

> malas.

> >

> > Please Advice

> >

> > Regards,

> > Ruchi

> >

> >

> >

> > Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

> >

> > Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

> >

> >

> > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

> >

> > Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope

it

> > will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

> >

> > Chubby Kapolau

> > Dimple Cibukam

> > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> > Dantaan within

> > Netra so blue

> > Lovely too

> > Maatri's pet

> > Is it you ?

> >

> > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple

Chin

> > yata yata yata

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Chris Kirner"

> > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > Hey,

> > >

> > > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my

eights

> > > right!

> > >

> > > Chris

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Latha Nanda"

> <lathananda>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste All,

> > > >

> > > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

> click

> > > on

> > > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get

to

> > see

> > > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > > >

> > > > /database

> > > >

> > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

weaponry

> > > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > > >

> > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am

> > > still

> > > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if you

> > can.

> > > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > > >

> > > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance the

> > list

> > > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> > Sanskrit

> > > > equivalent.

> > > >

> > > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It starts

> > with

> > > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

> feet .

> > > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> > requesting

> > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association of

> the

> > > > word to the meaning better.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa.

> > > > Latha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

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Dear Chris,

Thank you also for all the information on the grahntis and the

antedote for yawning. My server has been down and I'm not sure if

the email I sent regarding the dominant nostril breathing went

through to the group, but please know that I have been working with

this during my pranayama practice everyday. the left nostril

isdominant slightly--perhaps due to a physical problem from breaking

my nose, but I am working ondirecting the flow more to the right

during nadi suddhi. Thanks so much for the great info! I so

appreciate your time in writing.

Much love, many blessings to All,

Lynne

Ruchi,

This was a very beautiful post, too. I struggle with surrendering to

the connection sometimes but I find that if I just keep plodding

along with all earnestness the intensity of longing brings me around

to deep feelings of connectedness. The wheel keeps turningand she

keeps putting people, books, dreams and situations right in front of

me so I remember...

Love to you!

-

Khanna, Ruchi

Wednesday, April 14, 2004 4:42 PM

RE: Re: Pranayam ....

Chris,I just want to say a BIG THANKYOU. Your email has put things in

prespective for me. I was struggling withdevotion vs. technique. And

those days when I would not feel connected Iwould get up frustrated

from the puja but now I can classify them asenergy blocks.For the

past few days I have moved away from singing. Now I am doingfive

malas whispering and the other five silent. This is saving me alot

of energy and has helped me focus much better.My mind is alsocalming

down.When I was much younger one fine day I just felt connected and

had awave of devotion rise in my heart. For the long time afterwards

I feltmothers presence with me. But I was young at that time and new

nothingabout spiritual matters so I never practiced and eventually I

lost it.And since then I am just crying, trying to reconnect. But now

I amrealizing that sadhana purifies and being engrossed in worldly

mattersjust made me move away from the divine.Your email definitely

helped meunderstand that everything is her. And I hope that one day

that fountainof love that flew through my heart one time will flow

again.Much Thanks,RuchiChris Kirner

[chriskirner1956 ] Saturday, April 10, 2004

2:38 PMSubject: Re:

Pranayam ....Ruchi,This issue of dry technique vs. feeling devotion

is a difficult one. For me, I probably focus too much on Shakti and

not enough on devotion. I think there is a kind of balancing act that

goes on, unless, that is, bhakti is your path (and perhaps even then,

for there are stages, even in bhakti).You say that when you

concentrate on technique you feel the energy rising. This is a good

thing, but you're right, it is rather mechanical. It doesn't have to

be entirely mechanical, but often it is.Many of the techniques of

yoga can be thought of in terms of purifying austerities. They are

like spiritual exercises, and just like when we work out at the gym,

the body tires and the muscles feel weaker. The benefit is realized

only after we leave the gym. It is often the same with spiritual

practices. The dry focus on technique which allows a more profound

experience of Shakti during practice allows the experience of

increased purity of devotion later.This is not to say devotion should

not be nurtured during the practice of technique as an effort to

counteract the dryness. My gurudeva used to write that yoga practice

should be greased with love. Tantra shines in this aspect of

practice. Elaborate descriptions of the glories of the Goddess and

the benefits of practiced are intersperced with technical practices

designed to purify and deepen experience. You can try to do the same,

if you feel dry at any particular time. Remember Her (or Him).Remember

that your life force, your prana, is the Goddess herself, and it is

that very prana which rises, in concert with the breath, during

practice. In this sense, it is not just a practice, like pumping

water from a well, but a relationship with Her. Remember also that

purifying austerities are pleasing to both Her and the gurudeva.

Being mindful of these things can help.About my experience...it is

somewhere in the middle ground, I think, between being dead to mantra

shakti and realizing the consciousness of a particular mantra shakti.

There's a lot of ground to fall on there. If it is a new mantra, or

one that I don't seem to have an immediate connection with, it is

helpful for me to concentrate on the feeling of the meaning, or its

purpose, while I do japa. It helps to establish a devotional

connection with the mantra. After all, the mantra is Divine Mother

too.Once a connection is established I pay attention to the changes

the mantra makes in my consciousness, and try to focus on that. It is

difficult to explain, but that seems to involve a slightly blissful

vibration and a narrowing of focus. Then I kind of watch as the

vibrations of the mantra increase the focus and the feeling of

building energy. Usually, the energy wants to go somewhere, usually

up, and I follow it. Generally, I try to get it as high as possible,

but sometimes it wants to stay somewhere, anahata, for instance, and

I let it.These past few years, my experience has mostly focused on

the movement (or lack thereof) up my spine. I have so many

obstructions that Shakti has trouble moving upward. So I feel a

series of pulses during practice, as pressure builds in one place,

then releases, moving upward. With each release there is an increase

in one-pointedness and depth (there is also a nice blissful feeling).

I do not generally experience the kind of intrusive running dialogue

you described anymore. That is not to say my mind does not obstruct

my concentration, but it is different than it was. Instead of being

concerned with the external aspects of life it focuses on my

experiences during practice. Always watching and commenting, "Oh,

that was nice,What's happening?," and "Are we sure we want to go

there?" That kind of thing. More subtle perhaps, but still a

distraction. Well, I hope I have been of help. It's been nice talking

with you. May Mother bless your sadhana.Chris --- In

, "Khanna, Ruchi" <Ruchi.Khanna@d...>

wrote:> Dear Chris and Latha,> Thank you both so much for your

replies. Its very illuminating and > helpful. I think I was trying to

hold my breath too much, that'swhy my> daiphragm hurt and I was tired.

Even when I was trying to dopranayama> by breathing through my abdomen

I think I was straining myself inthe> process. On top of that (I do

not know if that was the effect of the > japa )I was also having very

vivid dreams. I have always noticedthat> when I have such dreams I

walk like a jombie the entire next day. Iwill> try to relax a little

bit more.> > Sometimes when I sing the mantras I feel love and

devotion, but Ihave> noticed that when I start focusing on technique

I feel the energyrise> but it feels emotionally dry. It is a little

easier for me to feellove> and devotion and connected when I am

singing or the other way roundI> sing when I feel love and

devotion(Sometimes I even wonder if mother > even wants to listen to

my awful singing). So there are days when Ijust> force myself to sit

and my mind rattles on, then others when I feel > close to maa. This

also leaves me with a sense of despair thinkingthat> I am not making

any progress at all. That's why I wanted tointegrate> pranayam in the

puja.> What do you focus on when you do the japa ??> > Many Thanks,>

Ruchi> > > Chris Kirner

[chriskirner1956]> Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM>

> Re: Pranayam

.....> > > Hi Ruchi,> > I had to struggle with myself not to provide

for you an entirebasic > description of the fundamentals of

pranayama, but it would probably> be too much. If you have more

questions I will be happy to answer as > I am able, but if you want

more detailed info on the system ofnadis > and the processes of

pranayama within a larger context, I would> suggest getting a good

basic yoga book on the subject. > > Suffice it to say that control of

the breath is cited again andagain > in the scriptures as the means

and sign of attainment.> > Fundamentally, the breath should always be

full, starting from the> diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then

the chest from the bottom > up), even, without any catches or

interruptions, and quiet, without> windy noise. The exhalation should

be longer than the inhalation.> > Spiritual progress can be understood

as the purification of thenadis > in the subtle body. This is

accomplished in various ways, devotion,> study, etc. The system of

nadis orders all the process of the body, > physical, emotional and

mental. Pranayama is a direct method of nadi > purification.> > In

most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and>

small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are closed

> off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and>

strengthen the nadis.> > In this process there are many experiences,

slight pains of various> kinds, feelings of unease, or vague

frustration, heat, itching, > trembling, etc. All of these are the

process of purification in > action.> > The important thing is that

you do not exceed your capacity. Ifthere > is pain, back off a bit.

Do not inhale more than you can hold> comfortably, and do not extend

an exhalation to the point where you > need to gasp for air later.> >

Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your>

prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for >

yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and >

performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise and >

begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to the >

process. > > When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels

vaguely> uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy

way to > experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in

the flow > of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and

find> relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one

of the > reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe

properly.> > In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything

to be> concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons

for it, > and let your own experience, will, and desire for

progressdetermine > the degree of stillness.> > As far as the singing

is concerned, I am not very experienced with> japa aloud. But in my

own practice I've experienced roughness, > smoothness, changes in

pitch, and extension of vowels, all of which > have been related to

some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere in > the spinal nadis.

There is a relationship between pitch and the > chakras.> > As I lack

any authoritative guidance on this, I have been> experimenting with

these phenomena as they appear, trying to > understand exactly what

they represent and how best to use them to > enhance the practice.

But whatever they are specifically, they are > generally

obstructions, and will disappear with continued practice.> > Your

tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your> breath.

Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in your > nadis

you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass. If > it is

the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.> > When I

was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research> ship. I

spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other > ships.

There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed through > many

small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but> each

time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or so > of

driving rain. It was uncomfortable. > > I was ignorant, but I had

been doing a lot of breathing throughajna > chakra and I was full of

the stories and excitement of themiraculous > feats of the yogis, so

for a few days, whenever I saw a squall> approaching I would begin

tratak (concentration) on it, willing it to > slow down, or move

aside, so I would not have to get wet.> > Well, it seemed to work,

but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves> felt stretched and

strained, and all I could do was go below and > sleep until my next

watch. That I continued for more than the first > day was a testament

to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my capacity > and I paid for

it.> > I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I

hopethis > has been of some help to you.> > Chris> > > > --- In

, "Khanna, Ruchi"> <Ruchi.Khanna@d...>

wrote:> > Dear Latha and Group members,> > > > I do not know anything

about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit> texts but> > I do not kinow

how the chanting should be done. I know that this> topic> > has been

discussed before, but it would help if you could explain> it> > for

a total novice.> > When I do the japa, over the course of time my

tone of chanting> > changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some

kind of singing).> Ater> > about five malas I only feel comfortable

when I start rocking with> the> > mantra.> > For the past four days I

have been trying to do my version(meaning > > whatever I think I have

understood ) of the pranayama with the> mantra> > but that focuses my

attention away from the mantra and on my> breathing.> > I also have

been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not using> the> > right

technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was> very> >

tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten>

malas.> > > > Please Advice> > > > Regards,> > Ruchi> > > > > >

> > Latha Nanda

[lathananda]> > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM>

> > > Kavach -

Nursery Rhyme> > > > > > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools

possible to aid our > > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme

?> > > > Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating.

Hopeit> > will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach

....> > > > Chubby Kapolau> > Dimple Cibukam> > Rosy Uttaroshte and

Adhare> > Dantaan within> > Netra so blue> > Lovely too> > Maatri's

pet> > Is it you ?> > > > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme -

Chubby Cheeks DimpleChin> > yata yata yata> > > > > > > > > > --- In

, "Chris Kirner" > >

<chriskirner1956> wrote:> > > Hey,> > > > > > I'll be satisfied

for now if I can finally manage to get myeights > > > right!> > > > >

> Chris> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

"Latha Nanda"> <lathananda>> > > wrote:> > > > Namaste All,> > >

> > > > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and>

click> > > on> > > > the Database link in the left side of the page,

you will getto> > see> > > > the tables that I have created for our

use.> > > > > > > >

/database> > > > > > > >

There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare theweaponry > > >

> across the different chapters that we go through.> > > > > > > >

There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I am> > >

still> > > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too

if you> > can.> > > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).>

> > > > > > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a

glance the> > list> > > > of the parts of the body as listed in the

Kavach and their> > Sanskrit> > > > equivalent.> > > > > > > > Hey

did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It starts> > with> >

> > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the> feet

..> > > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am> >

requesting> > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the

association of> the> > > > word to the meaning better.> > > > > > > >

> > > > Jai Maa.> > > > Latha> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Ruchi,

 

I just know it will. You are a blessed soul with a beautiful heart.

God can not help but respond to your sincere efforts.

 

Chris

 

 

, "Khanna, Ruchi"

<Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> Chris,

> I just want to say a BIG THANKYOU.

> Your email has put things in prespective for me. I was struggling

with

> devotion vs. technique. And those days when I would not feel

connected I

> would get up frustrated from the puja but now I can classify them

as

> energy blocks.

> For the past few days I have moved away from singing. Now I am doing

> five malas whispering and the other five silent. This is saving me

a

> lot of energy and has helped me focus much better.My mind is also

> calming down.

> When I was much younger one fine day I just felt connected and had a

> wave of devotion rise in my heart. For the long time afterwards I

felt

> mothers presence with me. But I was young at that time and new

nothing

> about spiritual matters so I never practiced and eventually I lost

it.

> And since then I am just crying, trying to reconnect. But now I am

> realizing that sadhana purifies and being engrossed in worldly

matters

> just made me move away from the divine.Your email definitely helped

me

> understand that everything is her. And I hope that one day that

fountain

> of love that flew through my heart one time will flow again.

>

> Much Thanks,

> Ruchi

>

>

>

> Chris Kirner [chriskirner1956]

> Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:38 PM

>

> Re: Pranayam ....

>

>

> Ruchi,

>

> This issue of dry technique vs. feeling devotion is a difficult

one.

> For me, I probably focus too much on Shakti and not enough on

> devotion. I think there is a kind of balancing act that goes on,

> unless, that is, bhakti is your path (and perhaps even then, for

> there are stages, even in bhakti).

>

> You say that when you concentrate on technique you feel the energy

> rising. This is a good thing, but you're right, it is rather

> mechanical. It doesn't have to be entirely mechanical, but often it

> is.

>

> Many of the techniques of yoga can be thought of in terms of

> purifying austerities. They are like spiritual exercises, and just

> like when we work out at the gym, the body tires and the muscles

feel

> weaker. The benefit is realized only after we leave the gym. It is

> often the same with spiritual practices. The dry focus on technique

> which allows a more profound experience of Shakti during practice

> allows the experience of increased purity of devotion later.

>

> This is not to say devotion should not be nurtured during the

> practice of technique as an effort to counteract the dryness. My

> gurudeva used to write that yoga practice should be greased with

> love. Tantra shines in this aspect of practice. Elaborate

> descriptions of the glories of the Goddess and the benefits of

> practiced are intersperced with technical practices designed to

> purify and deepen experience. You can try to do the same, if you

feel

> dry at any particular time. Remember Her (or Him).

>

> Remember that your life force, your prana, is the Goddess herself,

> and it is that very prana which rises, in concert with the breath,

> during practice. In this sense, it is not just a practice, like

> pumping water from a well, but a relationship with Her. Remember

also

> that purifying austerities are pleasing to both Her and the

gurudeva.

> Being mindful of these things can help.

>

> About my experience...it is somewhere in the middle ground, I

think,

> between being dead to mantra shakti and realizing the consciousness

> of a particular mantra shakti. There's a lot of ground to fall on

> there.

>

> If it is a new mantra, or one that I don't seem to have an

immediate

> connection with, it is helpful for me to concentrate on the feeling

> of the meaning, or its purpose, while I do japa. It helps to

> establish a devotional connection with the mantra. After all, the

> mantra is Divine Mother too.

>

> Once a connection is established I pay attention to the changes the

> mantra makes in my consciousness, and try to focus on that. It is

> difficult to explain, but that seems to involve a slightly blissful

> vibration and a narrowing of focus. Then I kind of watch as the

> vibrations of the mantra increase the focus and the feeling of

> building energy. Usually, the energy wants to go somewhere, usually

> up, and I follow it. Generally, I try to get it as high as

possible,

> but sometimes it wants to stay somewhere, anahata, for instance,

and

> I let it.

>

> These past few years, my experience has mostly focused on the

> movement (or lack thereof) up my spine. I have so many obstructions

> that Shakti has trouble moving upward. So I feel a series of pulses

> during practice, as pressure builds in one place, then releases,

> moving upward. With each release there is an increase in one-

> pointedness and depth (there is also a nice blissful feeling).

>

> I do not generally experience the kind of intrusive running

dialogue

> you described anymore. That is not to say my mind does not obstruct

> my concentration, but it is different than it was. Instead of being

> concerned with the external aspects of life it focuses on my

> experiences during practice. Always watching and commenting, "Oh,

> that was nice,What's happening?," and "Are we sure we want to go

> there?" That kind of thing. More subtle perhaps, but still a

> distraction.

>

> Well, I hope I have been of help. It's been nice talking with you.

> May Mother bless your sadhana.

>

> Chris

>

>

> , "Khanna, Ruchi"

> <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> > Dear Chris and Latha,

> > Thank you both so much for your replies. Its very illuminating

and

> > helpful. I think I was trying to hold my breath too much, that's

> why my

> > daiphragm hurt and I was tired. Even when I was trying to do

> pranayama

> > by breathing through my abdomen I think I was straining myself in

> the

> > process. On top of that (I do not know if that was the effect of

the

> > japa )I was also having very vivid dreams. I have always noticed

> that

> > when I have such dreams I walk like a jombie the entire next day.

I

> will

> > try to relax a little bit more.

> >

> > Sometimes when I sing the mantras I feel love and devotion, but I

> have

> > noticed that when I start focusing on technique I feel the energy

> rise

> > but it feels emotionally dry. It is a little easier for me to feel

> love

> > and devotion and connected when I am singing or the other way

round

> I

> > sing when I feel love and devotion(Sometimes I even wonder if

mother

> > even wants to listen to my awful singing). So there are days when

I

> just

> > force myself to sit and my mind rattles on, then others when I

feel

> > close to maa. This also leaves me with a sense of despair thinking

> that

> > I am not making any progress at all. That's why I wanted to

> integrate

> > pranayam in the puja.

> > What do you focus on when you do the japa ??

> >

> > Many Thanks,

> > Ruchi

> >

> >

> > Chris Kirner [chriskirner1956]

> > Friday, April 09, 2004 4:00 PM

> >

> > Re: Pranayam ....

> >

> >

> > Hi Ruchi,

> >

> > I had to struggle with myself not to provide for you an entire

> basic

> > description of the fundamentals of pranayama, but it would

probably

> > be too much. If you have more questions I will be happy to answer

> as

> > I am able, but if you want more detailed info on the system of

> nadis

> > and the processes of pranayama within a larger context, I would

> > suggest getting a good basic yoga book on the subject.

> >

> > Suffice it to say that control of the breath is cited again and

> again

> > in the scriptures as the means and sign of attainment.

> >

> > Fundamentally, the breath should always be full, starting from the

> > diaphragm (the abdomen expands first, then the chest from the

> bottom

> > up), even, without any catches or interruptions, and quiet,

without

> > windy noise. The exhalation should be longer than the inhalation.

> >

> > Spiritual progress can be understood as the purification of the

> nadis

> > in the subtle body. This is accomplished in various ways,

devotion,

> > study, etc. The system of nadis orders all the process of the

body,

> > physical, emotional and mental. Pranayama is a direct method of

> nadi

> > purification.

> >

> > In most people the nadis are in various states, some are weak and

> > small, some are strong and large, some are opened and some are

> closed

> > off. The process of breathing properly begins to unblock and

> > strengthen the nadis.

> >

> > In this process there are many experiences, slight pains of

various

> > kinds, feelings of unease, or vague frustration, heat, itching,

> > trembling, etc. All of these are the process of purification in

> > action.

> >

> > The important thing is that you do not exceed your capacity. If

> there

> > is pain, back off a bit. Do not inhale more than you can hold

> > comfortably, and do not extend an exhalation to the point where

you

> > need to gasp for air later.

> >

> > Now, to my opinion on your experiences. It sounds to me as if your

> > prana is awakening to the process of purification you've set for

> > yourself. The tapas of sitting in one asana on a firm asana and

> > performing spiritual practice creates heat which wants to rise

and

> > begin unblocking the nadis. The vibration of the mantra adds to

the

> > process.

> >

> > When an obstruction or constriction is met it feels vaguely

> > uncomfortable (catches or changes in the breath are an easy way

to

> > experience this easily). Movement of the body or a change in the

> flow

> > of the breath are easy ways to bypass the obstruction, and find

> > relief, but does little to remove the obstruction. That is one of

> the

> > reasons it is important to sit unmoving and breathe properly.

> >

> > In my opinion, the movement of your body is not anything to be

> > concerned about. Just be aware of the ideal, and the reasons for

> it,

> > and let your own experience, will, and desire for progress

> determine

> > the degree of stillness.

> >

> > As far as the singing is concerned, I am not very experienced with

> > japa aloud. But in my own practice I've experienced roughness,

> > smoothness, changes in pitch, and extension of vowels, all of

which

> > have been related to some blockages (or lack thereof) somewhere

in

> > the spinal nadis. There is a relationship between pitch and the

> > chakras.

> >

> > As I lack any authoritative guidance on this, I have been

> > experimenting with these phenomena as they appear, trying to

> > understand exactly what they represent and how best to use them

to

> > enhance the practice. But whatever they are specifically, they

are

> > generally obstructions, and will disappear with continued

practice.

> >

> > Your tiredness could mean you're exceeding you capacity with your

> > breath. Or it could be the mental aspect of an obstruction in

your

> > nadis you're working through. If it is the latter, it will pass.

If

> > it is the former, reducing the length of your breath should help.

> >

> > When I was first practicing yoga, I was working aboard a research

> > ship. I spent many hours outside as a lookout, watching for other

> > ships. There was a certain trip in the spring when we passed

> through

> > many small rain squalls. Between them it was reasonably nice, but

> > each time we passed under one, there would be fifteen minutes or

so

> > of driving rain. It was uncomfortable.

> >

> > I was ignorant, but I had been doing a lot of breathing through

> ajna

> > chakra and I was full of the stories and excitement of the

> miraculous

> > feats of the yogis, so for a few days, whenever I saw a squall

> > approaching I would begin tratak (concentration) on it, willing

it

> to

> > slow down, or move aside, so I would not have to get wet.

> >

> > Well, it seemed to work, but afterward I was exhausted. My nerves

> > felt stretched and strained, and all I could do was go below and

> > sleep until my next watch. That I continued for more than the

first

> > day was a testament to my youth and stupidity. I exceeded my

> capacity

> > and I paid for it.

> >

> > I hope I haven't gone on too long (as I tend to do), and I hope

> this

> > has been of some help to you.

> >

> > Chris

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Khanna, Ruchi"

> > <Ruchi.Khanna@d...> wrote:

> > > Dear Latha and Group members,

> > >

> > > I do not know anything about pranayam. I can read the Sanskrit

> > texts but

> > > I do not kinow how the chanting should be done. I know that this

> > topic

> > > has been discussed before, but it would help if you could

explain

> > it

> > > for a total novice.

> > > When I do the japa, over the course of time my tone of chanting

> > > changes(from pronouncing it out it turns to some kind of

singing).

> > Ater

> > > about five malas I only feel comfortable when I start rocking

with

> > the

> > > mantra.

> > > For the past four days I have been trying to do my version

(meaning

> > > whatever I think I have understood ) of the pranayama with the

> > mantra

> > > but that focuses my attention away from the mantra and on my

> > breathing.

> > > I also have been feeling very tired, so I am definitely not

using

> > the

> > > right technique. Yesterday's chanting was not good at all. I was

> > very

> > > tired and had to literally force myself to sit through the ten

> > malas.

> > >

> > > Please Advice

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Ruchi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Latha Nanda [lathananda]

> > > Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:36 AM

> > >

> > > Kavach - Nursery Rhyme

> > >

> > >

> > > Ahem ! We can and should use all the tools possible to aid our

> > > learning. How about a good ol nursery rhyme ?

> > >

> > > Here is one for those that find the vocab too intimidating. Hope

> it

> > > will make you remember atleast a few words from the Kavach ...

> > >

> > > Chubby Kapolau

> > > Dimple Cibukam

> > > Rosy Uttaroshte and Adhare

> > > Dantaan within

> > > Netra so blue

> > > Lovely too

> > > Maatri's pet

> > > Is it you ?

> > >

> > > Figure it out ? It is the nursery rhyme - Chubby Cheeks Dimple

> Chin

> > > yata yata yata

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Chris Kirner"

> > > <chriskirner1956> wrote:

> > > > Hey,

> > > >

> > > > I'll be satisfied for now if I can finally manage to get my

> eights

> > > > right!

> > > >

> > > > Chris

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Latha Nanda"

> > <lathananda>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste All,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you login to and come to the group's home page and

> > click

> > > > on

> > > > > the Database link in the left side of the page, you will get

> to

> > > see

> > > > > the tables that I have created for our use.

> > > > >

> > > > > /database

> > > > >

> > > > > There is one on Chandi symbolism and we can compare the

> weaponry

> > > > > across the different chapters that we go through.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is another table on the vocabulary from the Kavach. I

am

> > > > still

> > > > > adding to this table and request you all to add in too if

you

> > > can.

> > > > > (Anybody can add and edit their own records).

> > > > >

> > > > > The purpose of the vocabulary table is to give at a glance

the

> > > list

> > > > > of the parts of the body as listed in the Kavach and their

> > > Sanskrit

> > > > > equivalent.

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey did you notice that the Kavach is very orderly ? It

starts

> > > with

> > > > > the head and works its way down the body and ends with the

> > feet .

> > > > > When I chant, I point to the part of the body that I am

> > > requesting

> > > > > the Goddess to protect and that helps make the association

of

> > the

> > > > > word to the meaning better.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Maa.

> > > > > Latha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Links

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