Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 Dear Brian, Your post set off some emotions in me .... There are many situations where I cannot help - I cannot "do" something , I can only stand and watch and be available , or conscious like you say. But in the case of Shree Maa, there is something that we CAN do to make her happy. I know this personally . She LOVES it when we do sadhana - she LOVES it when we work together - she LOVES it when we chant together - she LOVES it when we help Swamiji to help run the Mandir - she LOVES it when we give off ourselves and forget our petty little differences to help out higher causes. But mostly She LOVES it when we do SADHANA. I cannot "help" but I can do Sadhana to make her happy. Love Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 "There is one other thing we can do and I do this everyday. I thank Maha Maya for bringing us Maa in the form of Shree Maa " I give praise for Maa's incaranation daily, and the feeling that every bit of sincere sadhana eases Maa's work in this world makes it easy to ignore the thoughts that ocassionally try to encourage to put off sadhana for whatever reason. Jai Shree Maa ki jai.. Brian McKee <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> wrote: I was thinking to myself (I do that a whole lot) about why saints in general seem to have so many health problems.I realized that for the most part, they -- like us -- are at the mercy of their genetics and the karmas they encounter. They are also infinitely giving and they want to help us so sometimes they take on karmas for us that we may learn from them.They are not wholely like us because they could at any moment completely make themselves new again. Consciousness is the medium on which the play is written and thus conscious entities can rewrite the universe.I asked Maa in my head, "why don't you rewrite yourself a new improved body?"And the answer came, "because that would be like an line judge tackling a quarterback. Like Maha Maya the test giver giving the answers to one of the test takers. Its not fair to anyone involved, especially the test itself."I've been trying to devise ways to help Shree Maa with her health problems. My mind, my intuition, my heart, my soul all working in conjunction through caring and love to try and figure out how to help her body, help her comfort, help her health. Mostly I draw a blank. (blank = space. That is the answer, btw)Only one new answer has come. If I'm conscious around her, then there is no influence from me toward her, there is no negativity, no positivity, no lack of consciousness influencing her manifestation. So she would not feel inclined to help me because I need no help, and more importantly I would not affect her locality by bringing unenlightened thoughts into it. I can only help her by becoming conscious. As Nandu said, "Be in the silence to show her your love."I cannot heal her, I can only do her no harm.In the grand scheme of things, this is all just a game for her. She sees what is being done for her and to her and she accepts, surrenders and loves us anyway. All the saints have that in common, they accept reality, the grand play, the great test, for what it is and they show us by example how we should do the same. Sometimes they reflect our fears back at us, that is part of her test for us. Sometimes she seems wrathful, but that is for our benefit. For if we can face Durga's wrath, then we can truly surrender to her and accept her reality. Its a powerful opportunity to find the space between the thoughts, fears and desires.I can see now that harm is only ever done by anyone when they resist Maya, when they resist the reality that surrounds them. Likewise, when people who love Shree Maa want to help her (and by that I mean make her "better") they are just showing her that they aren't accepting the reality of her illness and often they do more harm than good. The question is, "What should Maa do?" And the answer is, "What ever Shiva says." If you aren't Shiva (that is to say the consciousness of infinite goodness) then who are you to tell a saint what to do?And that is what she's trying to teach them by accepting their "help." She's showing them by example to accept reality.There is one other thing we can do and I do this everyday. I thank Maha Maya for bringing us Maa in the form of Shree Maa (notice all three of those things are the same and yet different -- that is duality). And I ask Maa to stick around to see my children grow. I know that is not easy for her, being who she is, but it is the only somewhat fair thing to ask for because I love her so much and I want to share my life with her.One last point. We are all saints in training. So when you want to "help" someone, keep that in mind.Namaste all,Brian No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2004 Report Share Posted May 13, 2004 ah! peace yes yes peace in doing graceful useful hanuman love to all steve , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Dear Brian, > > Your post set off some emotions in me .... > > There are many situations where I cannot help - I cannot "do" > something , I can only stand and watch and be available , or > conscious like you say. > > But in the case of Shree Maa, there is something that we CAN do to > make her happy. I know this personally . She LOVES it when we do > sadhana - she LOVES it when we work together - she LOVES it when we > chant together - she LOVES it when we help Swamiji to help run the > Mandir - she LOVES it when we give off ourselves and forget our > petty little differences to help out higher causes. > > But mostly She LOVES it when we do SADHANA. > > I cannot "help" but I can do Sadhana to make her happy. > > Love > Latha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Thank you, this is so nice. We can pray for Shree Maa too, I think. We should do our sadhana for ourselves, but we can and should also do sadhana for others. We can do puja for Maa and homa. She gives her beautiful gift and relieves our burdens, and we accept her gift. Then, perhaps, we too can give to her our offering, specifically for her welfare, so that there is balance. We can all pray for ourselves and each other. Shree Maa says that spirituality is to give more than we take. It is a big task. I have heard Swamiji say this, and I think that Parvati once mentioned that this is a song they sang together about give and take... 'From you I receive, and to you I give. In this way we share, and through this we live.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Beautiful. Thank you. At 08:38 PM 5/13/2004, you wrote: >Thank you, this is so nice. >We can pray for Shree Maa too, I think. We should do our sadhana for >ourselves, but >we can and should also do sadhana for others. We can do puja for Maa and >homa. >She gives her beautiful gift and relieves our burdens, and we accept her >gift. Then, >perhaps, we too can give to her our offering, specifically for her >welfare, so that there >is balance. We can all pray for ourselves and each other. >Shree Maa says that spirituality is to give more than we take. It is a >big task. > >I have heard Swamiji say this, and I think that Parvati once mentioned >that this is a >song they sang together about give and take... 'From you I receive, and >to you I give. >In this way we share, and through this we live.' > Links > > > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release 5/10/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.681 / Virus Database: 443 - Release 5/10/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 Brian, We are like little children who unexpectedly enter the room to find their mother crying. Mommy hurts, and we want to help. We can not possibly understand the complexities of the world she inhabits, nor do we possess the faculties to actually do anything if we did understand. Mommy's pain is all we can see, all we care about in that moment - powerless as we are. We run up to her saying "Mommy, why are you crying? What's wrong, Mommy," and she gathers us up in her lap, and holds us tight, and perhaps cries just a bit longer, saying, "It's alright dear, Mommy's fine. Don't worry. Mommy's fine," and she is. With all our lack of understanding and inability to handle, we nevertheless give mommy the only thing we have to give, the perfect thing actually, our love, and it is better. Chris , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > I was thinking to myself (I do that a whole lot) about why saints in general seem to have so many health problems. I realized that for the most part, they -- like us -- are at the mercy of their genetics and the karmas they encounter. They are also infinitely giving and they want to help us so sometimes they take on karmas for us that we may learn from them. They are not wholely like us because they could at any moment completely make themselves new again. Consciousness is the medium on which the play is written and thus conscious entities can rewrite the universe. I asked Maa in my head, "why don't you rewrite yourself a new improved body?" And the answer came, "because that would be like an line judge tackling a quarterback. Like Maha Maya the test giver giving the answers to one of the test takers. Its not fair to anyone involved, especially the test itself." I've been trying to devise ways to help Shree Maa with her health problems. My mind, my intuition, my heart, my soul all working in conjunction through caring and love to try and figure out how to help her body, help her comfort, help her health. Mostly I draw a blank. (blank = space. That is the answer, btw) Only one new answer has come. If I'm conscious around her, then there is no influence from me toward her, there is no negativity, no positivity, no lack of consciousness influencing her manifestation. So she would not feel inclined to help me because I need no help, and more importantly I would not affect her locality by bringing unenlightened thoughts into it. I can only help her by becoming conscious. As Nandu said, "Be in the silence to show her your love." I cannot heal her, I can only do her no harm. In the grand scheme of things, this is all just a game for her. She sees what is being done for her and to her and she accepts, surrenders and loves us anyway. All the saints have that in common, they accept reality, the grand play, the great test, for what it is and they show us by example how we should do the same. Sometimes they reflect our fears back at us, that is part of her test for us. Sometimes she seems wrathful, but that is for our benefit. For if we can face Durga's wrath, then we can truly surrender to her and accept her reality. Its a powerful opportunity to find the space between the thoughts, fears and desires. I can see now that harm is only ever done by anyone when they resist Maya, when they resist the reality that surrounds them. Likewise, when people who love Shree Maa want to help her (and by that I mean make her "better") they are just showing her that they aren't accepting the reality of her illness and often they do more harm than good. The question is, "What should Maa do?" And the answer is, "What ever Shiva says." If you aren't Shiva (that is to say the consciousness of infinite goodness) then who are you to tell a saint what to do? And that is what she's trying to teach them by accepting their "help." She's showing them by example to accept reality. There is one other thing we can do and I do this everyday. I thank Maha Maya for bringing us Maa in the form of Shree Maa (notice all three of those things are the same and yet different -- that is duality). And I ask Maa to stick around to see my children grow. I know that is not easy for her, being who she is, but it is the only somewhat fair thing to ask for because I love her so much and I want to share my life with her. One last point. We are all saints in training. So when you want to "help" someone, keep that in mind. Namaste all, Brian > > _____________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 A little compassion goes a long way. , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Brian, > > We are like little children who unexpectedly enter the room to find > their mother crying. Mommy hurts, and we want to help. We can not > possibly understand the complexities of the world she inhabits, nor > do we possess the faculties to actually do anything if we did > understand. Mommy's pain is all we can see, all we care about in that > moment - powerless as we are. > > We run up to her saying "Mommy, why are you crying? What's wrong, > Mommy," and she gathers us up in her lap, and holds us tight, and > perhaps cries just a bit longer, saying, "It's alright dear, Mommy's > fine. Don't worry. Mommy's fine," and she is. With all our lack of > understanding and inability to handle, we nevertheless give mommy the > only thing we have to give, the perfect thing actually, our love, and > it is better. > > Chris > > > > , "Brian McKee" <brian@s...> wrote: > > I was thinking to myself (I do that a whole lot) about why saints > in general seem to have so many health problems. I realized that for > the most part, they -- like us -- are at the mercy of their genetics > and the karmas they encounter. They are also infinitely giving and > they want to help us so sometimes they take on karmas for us that we > may learn from them. They are not wholely like us because they could > at any moment completely make themselves new again. Consciousness is > the medium on which the play is written and thus conscious entities > can rewrite the universe. I asked Maa in my head, "why don't you > rewrite yourself a new improved body?" And the answer came, "because > that would be like an line judge tackling a quarterback. Like Maha > Maya the test giver giving the answers to one of the test takers. Its > not fair to anyone involved, especially the test itself." I've been > trying to devise ways to help Shree Maa with her health problems. My > mind, my intuition, my heart, my soul all working in conjunction > through caring and love to try and figure out how to help her body, > help her comfort, help her health. Mostly I draw a blank. (blank = > space. That is the answer, btw) Only one new answer has come. If I'm > conscious around her, then there is no influence from me toward her, > there is no negativity, no positivity, no lack of consciousness > influencing her manifestation. So she would not feel inclined to help > me because I need no help, and more importantly I would not affect > her locality by bringing unenlightened thoughts into it. I can only > help her by becoming conscious. As Nandu said, "Be in the silence to > show her your love." I cannot heal her, I can only do her no harm. In > the grand scheme of things, this is all just a game for her. She sees > what is being done for her and to her and she accepts, surrenders and > loves us anyway. All the saints have that in common, they accept > reality, the grand play, the great test, for what it is and they show > us by example how we should do the same. Sometimes they reflect our > fears back at us, that is part of her test for us. Sometimes she > seems wrathful, but that is for our benefit. For if we can face > Durga's wrath, then we can truly surrender to her and accept her > reality. Its a powerful opportunity to find the space between the > thoughts, fears and desires. I can see now that harm is only ever > done by anyone when they resist Maya, when they resist the reality > that surrounds them. Likewise, when people who love Shree Maa want to > help her (and by that I mean make her "better") they are just showing > her that they aren't accepting the reality of her illness and often > they do more harm than good. The question is, "What should Maa do?" > And the answer is, "What ever Shiva says." If you aren't Shiva (that > is to say the consciousness of infinite goodness) then who are you to > tell a saint what to do? And that is what she's trying to teach them > by accepting their "help." She's showing them by example to accept > reality. There is one other thing we can do and I do this everyday. I > thank Maha Maya for bringing us Maa in the form of Shree Maa (notice > all three of those things are the same and yet different -- that is > duality). And I ask Maa to stick around to see my children grow. I > know that is not easy for her, being who she is, but it is the only > somewhat fair thing to ask for because I love her so much and I want > to share my life with her. One last point. We are all saints in > training. So when you want to "help" someone, keep that in mind. > Namaste all, Brian > > > > _____________ > > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > > Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Thank you, Brian, for this post. I enjoyed being with you, Krista, Lathaji, Maa, Swamiji and the rest of the family at the Devi Mandir Saturday. What a blessing to participate in the Homa. "Brian McKee" <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> Thu, 13 May 2004 14:28:59 -0400 (EDT) An idea I was thinking to myself (I do that a whole lot) about why saints in general seem to have so many health problems. I realized that for the most part, they -- like us -- are at the mercy of their genetics and the karmas they encounter. They are also infinitely giving and they want to help us so sometimes they take on karmas for us that we may learn from them. They are not wholely like us because they could at any moment completely make themselves new again. Consciousness is the medium on which the play is written and thus conscious entities can rewrite the universe. I asked Maa in my head, "why don't you rewrite yourself a new improved body?" And the answer came, "because that would be like an line judge tackling a quarterback. Like Maha Maya the test giver giving the answers to one of the test takers. Its not fair to anyone involved, especially the test itself." I've been trying to devise ways to help Shree Maa with her health problems. My mind, my intuition, my heart, my soul all working in conjunction through caring and love to try and figure out how to help her body, help her comfort, help her health. Mostly I draw a blank. (blank = space. That is the answer, btw) Only one new answer has come. If I'm conscious around her, then there is no influence from me toward her, there is no negativity, no positivity, no lack of consciousness influencing her manifestation. So she would not feel inclined to help me because I need no help, and more importantly I would not affect her locality by bringing unenlightened thoughts into it. I can only help her by becoming conscious. As Nandu said, "Be in the silence to show her your love." I cannot heal her, I can only do her no harm. In the grand scheme of things, this is all just a game for her. She sees what is being done for her and to her and she accepts, surrenders and loves us anyway. All the saints have that in common, they accept reality, the grand play, the great test, for what it is and they show us by example how we should do the same. Sometimes they reflect our fears back at us, that is part of her test for us. Sometimes she seems wrathful, but that is for our benefit. For if we can face Durga's wrath, then we can truly surrender to her and accept her reality. Its a powerful opportunity to find the space between the thoughts, fears and desires. I can see now that harm is only ever done by anyone when they resist Maya, when they resist the reality that surrounds them. Likewise, when people who love Shree Maa want to help her (and by that I mean make her "better") they are just showing her that they aren't accepting the reality of her illness and often they do more harm than good. The question is, "What should Maa do?" And the answer is, "What ever Shiva says." If you aren't Shiva (that is to say the consciousness of infinite goodness) then who are you to tell a saint what to do? And that is what she's trying to teach them by accepting their "help." She's showing them by example to accept reality. There is one other thing we can do and I do this everyday. I thank Maha Maya for bringing us Maa in the form of Shree Maa (notice all three of those things are the same and yet different -- that is duality). And I ask Maa to stick around to see my children grow. I know that is not easy for her, being who she is, but it is the only somewhat fair thing to ask for because I love her so much and I want to share my life with her. One last point. We are all saints in training. So when you want to "help" someone, keep that in mind. Namaste all, Brian No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Sponsor / To from this group, send an email to: <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 Namaste Ardis, It's wonderful to meet you as well and even better to be able to see a face when I read your posts! Love, Brian At 04:46 PM 5/17/2004, you wrote: Thank you, Brian, for this post. I enjoyed being with you, Krista, Lathaji, Maa, Swamiji and the rest of the family at the Devi Mandir Saturday. What a blessing to participate in the Homa. "Brian McKee" <brian (AT) soulspark (DOT) org> Thu, 13 May 2004 14:28:59 -0400 (EDT) An idea I was thinking to myself (I do that a whole lot) about why saints in general seem to have so many health problems. I realized that for the most part, they -- like us -- are at the mercy of their genetics and the karmas they encounter. They are also infinitely giving and they want to help us so sometimes they take on karmas for us that we may learn from them. They are not wholely like us because they could at any moment completely make themselves new again. Consciousness is the medium on which the play is written and thus conscious entities can rewrite the universe. I asked Maa in my head, "why don't you rewrite yourself a new improved body?" And the answer came, "because that would be like an line judge tackling a quarterback. Like Maha Maya the test giver giving the answers to one of the test takers. Its not fair to anyone involved, especially the test itself." I've been trying to devise ways to help Shree Maa with her health problems. My mind, my intuition, my heart, my soul all working in conjunction through caring and love to try and figure out how to help her body, help her comfort, help her health. Mostly I draw a blank. (blank = space. That is the answer, btw) Only one new answer has come. If I'm conscious around her, then there is no influence from me toward her, there is no negativity, no positivity, no lack of consciousness influencing her manifestation. So she would not feel inclined to help me because I need no help, and more importantly I would not affect her locality by bringing unenlightened thoughts into it. I can only help her by becoming conscious. As Nandu said, "Be in the silence to show her your love." I cannot heal her, I can only do her no harm. In the grand scheme of things, this is all just a game for her. She sees what is being done for her and to her and she accepts, surrenders and loves us anyway. All the saints have that in common, they accept reality, the grand play, the great test, for what it is and they show us by example how we should do the same. Sometimes they reflect our fears back at us, that is part of her test for us. Sometimes she seems wrathful, but that is for our benefit. For if we can face Durga's wrath, then we can truly surrender to her and accept her reality. Its a powerful opportunity to find the space between the thoughts, fears and desires. I can see now that harm is only ever done by anyone when they resist Maya, when they resist the reality that surrounds them. Likewise, when people who love Shree Maa want to help her (and by that I mean make her "better") they are just showing her that they aren't accepting the reality of her illness and often they do more harm than good. The question is, "What should Maa do?" And the answer is, "What ever Shiva says." If you aren't Shiva (that is to say the consciousness of infinite goodness) then who are you to tell a saint what to do? And that is what she's trying to teach them by accepting their "help." She's showing them by example to accept reality. There is one other thing we can do and I do this everyday. I thank Maha Maya for bringing us Maa in the form of Shree Maa (notice all three of those things are the same and yet different -- that is duality). And I ask Maa to stick around to see my children grow. I know that is not easy for her, being who she is, but it is the only somewhat fair thing to ask for because I love her so much and I want to share my life with her. One last point. We are all saints in training. So when you want to "help" someone, keep that in mind. Namaste all, Brian No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com Sponsor / To from this group, send an email to: <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . Sponsor / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release 5/14/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release 5/14/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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