Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hmm I have to pay more attention to when Swamiji does this chapter. But I chant the 14 syllables at one shot, so I do 14-14-14-14. I find that it is simple when I have a rhythm for the 14 syllables. For example Durge Smrta Harasi Bhitima SeshaJantoh is chanted without a break . If we did break it up 8-6 then we would stop after 'bhi' of 'bhitima' and that would be like breaking up a word wouldnt it? If we did break 7-7 it would be more meaningful because we'd stop after 'harasi' and atleast we were breaking it after a complete word. However, what if there were a verse where the eighth syllable completed a word instead of starting a word (like in the example above), then 7-7 wouldnt work either. So inorder to make things simpler, it is easiest to chant the 14 syllables without a break, IMHO. This is how I have heard it chanted by many others as well. I guess for the purposes of learning you could break it up in the way you have described , but when you are chanting with pranayam you would be trying to do the entire verse to one breath and so it shouldnt matter where you feel your logical break to be. Jai Maa , "Chris Kirner" <chriskirner1956> wrote: > Latha, > > I've been doing 8-6, 8-6, etc., but I wonder if I shouldn't do 8-8- 8- > 4, or split them in half and do sevens. How does Swamiji do it? > (I missed the class time). > > Chris > > > , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> > wrote: > > Chris, > > > > This chapter is not anustup chandah for most part . Anustup chanda > > is 32 syllables to the verse. This is another chanda (not sure of > > the name) which is 14*4 =52 syllables to the verse. > > > > May I suggest that you read the English translation to get the bhav > > of this one - it is very devotional. Also, Seema will be teaching a > > class on this tomorrow, so I invite you to join our online class > and > > ask any questions that you may have. > > > > Also, my knowledge of the mantras are limited - but what i do try > to > > do , as I have shown below is to isolate some of the know > > words, 'devi' , 'bhagavati', 'mukti' etc and then there are very > few > > words left that I do not know. > > > > Jai Maa > > Latha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Chris Kirner" > > <chriskirner1956> wrote: > > > Latha, > > > > > > I had trouble with this one. I think the meter threw me off. > That, > > > and there were some "strange" new words. I'm going to have to > keep > > > practicing it until I feel comfortable with it. I should really > > > listen to Swamiji's chanting (it's on the website, isn't it?). > > > > > > In the beginning I was chanting everything in sequence, up to the > > > current week's assignment, but I have given that up. I found (I > > think > > > around the atha shree devyatharvashirsham) that my mind was so > > > befuddled by then that I wasn't learning the new chapter, so I > > gave > > > it up. Now I continue with a chapter, along with the current > > week's, > > > until I feel confortable with it. > > > > > > I wish I were as familiar with the meaning of the mantras as you > > are > > > Latha, but I know that will come in time. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > , "Latha Nanda" > > <lathananda> > > > wrote: > > > > Namaste All especially those that opted to learn one chapter of > > > > Chandi a week. > > > > > > > > I was wondering how you were finding your studies. Can anybody > > > share > > > > any insights ? Are you chanting the chapter once a day ? How do > > you > > > > learn each chapter . I would be very interested to know. > > > > > > > > This week we have been learning chapter 4, this is a stuti or > > > > praise to the Goddess. When we talk about praise to the > Goddess, > > > all > > > > the verses usually take on such a beautiful, devotional , lovey- > > > > dovey view. But here is a verse that touched me deeply . > > > > > > > > It is Verse 9 > > > > "Ya mukti heturavi cintya mahaavrataa tvam > > > > abhyasyase suniyatendriya tattva saaraihi | > > > > mokshaarthibhir munibhirasta samasta doshair > > > > vidyaasi saa bhagavatii paramaa hi devi || " > > > > > > > > Swamiji translates this as > > > > > > > > Oh Goddess, for those who seek realization, the inculcation of > > > > absolute freedom, INCONCEIVABLE are the great austerities to > be > > > > performed to be devoid of all defects, having the senses > > subdued, > > > > complying with the essence of the principles of Truth. Oh > > Supreme > > > > Empress, the wise who practice yearning for liberation, that , > > > > Ultimate Knowledge of Realization is YOU " > > > > > > > > And here is my feeble attempt at learning the sanskrit > > > > > > > > Mukti - Realization > > > > Mahaavrataa - Great Austerities > > > > Tattva Saaraihi - Essence of the principles of truth > > > > Moksha - Liberation > > > > Vidya - Knowledge > > > > Muni - Wise > > > > Bhagavati - Supreme Empress > > > > paramaa - Ultimate. > > > > > > > > I welcome corrections and also if anyone can fill in the other > > > words > > > > or phrases. > > > > > > > > JAI MAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Hmmm... Thanks. That is helpful, though I wish I could hear it. I'm sure I mentioned once before that I'm rhythmically challenged. The way I learned my eights was Maa's recording of the Durga Dvaatrimshannaama Maalaa. BTW 8-6 usually works, but not always (it also seems some of the verses only have 27, rather than 28 syllables, hmmm...) I'll try to create a rhythm that goes all the way through fourteen syllables. Chris , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda> wrote: > Hmm I have to pay more attention to when Swamiji does this chapter. > But I chant the 14 syllables at one shot, so I do 14-14-14-14. > I find that it is simple when I have a rhythm for the 14 syllables. > > For example > > Durge Smrta Harasi Bhitima SeshaJantoh > > is chanted without a break . If we did break it up 8-6 then we would stop after 'bhi' of 'bhitima' and that would be like breaking up a word wouldnt it? If we did break 7-7 it would be more meaningful because we'd stop after 'harasi' and atleast we were breaking it after a complete word. > However, what if there were a verse where the eighth syllable completed a word instead of starting a word (like in the example above), then 7-7 wouldnt work either. > So inorder to make things simpler, it is easiest to chant the 14 syllables without a break, IMHO. This is how I have heard it chanted by many others as well. > > I guess for the purposes of learning you could break it up in the > way you have described , but when you are chanting with pranayam you > would be trying to do the entire verse to one breath and so it > shouldnt matter where you feel your logical break to be. > > > Jai Maa > > > , "Chris Kirner" > <chriskirner1956> wrote: > > Latha, > > > > I've been doing 8-6, 8-6, etc., but I wonder if I shouldn't do 8- 8- > 8- > > 4, or split them in half and do sevens. How does Swamiji do it? > > (I missed the class time). > > > > Chris > > > > > > , "Latha Nanda" > <lathananda> > > wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > > > This chapter is not anustup chandah for most part . Anustup > chanda > > > is 32 syllables to the verse. This is another chanda (not sure > of > > > the name) which is 14*4 =52 syllables to the verse. > > > > > > May I suggest that you read the English translation to get the > bhav > > > of this one - it is very devotional. Also, Seema will be > teaching a > > > class on this tomorrow, so I invite you to join our online class > > and > > > ask any questions that you may have. > > > > > > Also, my knowledge of the mantras are limited - but what i do > try > > to > > > do , as I have shown below is to isolate some of the know > > > words, 'devi' , 'bhagavati', 'mukti' etc and then there are very > > few > > > words left that I do not know. > > > > > > Jai Maa > > > Latha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Chris Kirner" > > > <chriskirner1956> wrote: > > > > Latha, > > > > > > > > I had trouble with this one. I think the meter threw me off. > > That, > > > > and there were some "strange" new words. I'm going to have to > > keep > > > > practicing it until I feel comfortable with it. I should > really > > > > listen to Swamiji's chanting (it's on the website, isn't it?). > > > > > > > > In the beginning I was chanting everything in sequence, up to > the > > > > current week's assignment, but I have given that up. I found > (I > > > think > > > > around the atha shree devyatharvashirsham) that my mind was so > > > > befuddled by then that I wasn't learning the new chapter, so I > > > gave > > > > it up. Now I continue with a chapter, along with the current > > > week's, > > > > until I feel confortable with it. > > > > > > > > I wish I were as familiar with the meaning of the mantras as > you > > > are > > > > Latha, but I know that will come in time. > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Latha Nanda" > > > <lathananda> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Namaste All especially those that opted to learn one chapter > of > > > > > Chandi a week. > > > > > > > > > > I was wondering how you were finding your studies. Can > anybody > > > > share > > > > > any insights ? Are you chanting the chapter once a day ? How > do > > > you > > > > > learn each chapter . I would be very interested to know. > > > > > > > > > > This week we have been learning chapter 4, this is a stuti > or > > > > > praise to the Goddess. When we talk about praise to the > > Goddess, > > > > all > > > > > the verses usually take on such a beautiful, devotional , > lovey- > > > > > dovey view. But here is a verse that touched me deeply . > > > > > > > > > > It is Verse 9 > > > > > "Ya mukti heturavi cintya mahaavrataa tvam > > > > > abhyasyase suniyatendriya tattva saaraihi | > > > > > mokshaarthibhir munibhirasta samasta doshair > > > > > vidyaasi saa bhagavatii paramaa hi devi || " > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji translates this as > > > > > > > > > > Oh Goddess, for those who seek realization, the inculcation > of > > > > > absolute freedom, INCONCEIVABLE are the great austerities > to > > be > > > > > performed to be devoid of all defects, having the senses > > > subdued, > > > > > complying with the essence of the principles of Truth. Oh > > > Supreme > > > > > Empress, the wise who practice yearning for liberation, > that , > > > > > Ultimate Knowledge of Realization is YOU " > > > > > > > > > > And here is my feeble attempt at learning the sanskrit > > > > > > > > > > Mukti - Realization > > > > > Mahaavrataa - Great Austerities > > > > > Tattva Saaraihi - Essence of the principles of truth > > > > > Moksha - Liberation > > > > > Vidya - Knowledge > > > > > Muni - Wise > > > > > Bhagavati - Supreme Empress > > > > > paramaa - Ultimate. > > > > > > > > > > I welcome corrections and also if anyone can fill in the > other > > > > words > > > > > or phrases. > > > > > > > > > > JAI MAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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