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Dear Latha,

 

I was thinking the other day about a child with his/her mother at the

playground and the power of the mantra to protect. The child is

picked on by some other children and turns and runs and at the same

time calls out "Mommy", the protection is instant and the other

children hesitate and pull back. It is simple, direct and the mantra

of the child. When this is how we are and the practice becomes the

way we live, the Mother (Father) is always there.

 

Om Namah Sivaya,

 

Love

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Here is an excerpt from Before Becoming This - the book is available

at http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm

 

My acknowledgement and thanks to Dr. Steven Newmark

 

I also have a question at the end of the excerpt and would be

interested in getting feedback from the readers.

 

Begin of excerpt ----

 

Shree Maa : ....Always pray to God to get His grace. If we think we

are a child of God all the time, our actions will become divine.

Automatically everything will come to us."

 

Author :Does one ask for the Divine Mother for grace, like we'd ask

our own mother for a birthday present ?

 

Shree Maa : Yes , I ask her for devotion and wisdom all the time.

When you have pure devotion, pure knowledge will come.

 

Author : It sounds so simple.

 

Shree Maa : It is very simple. That is why we need to do spiritual

practices, to remind ourselves to remember divinity all the time.

But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

spiritual life. .....

 

End of excerpt ------

 

OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not everything,

what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you can share ?

 

JAI MAA !!!

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hm, she is making a really cool distinction. she is saying, don't

think of yourself as an ordinary guy or gal applying spiritual tools

and fixes to yourself, like yoga, and other methods ... but, be at

your very center a spiritual being, and express it, and be that, in

your every aspect.

 

s

 

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> Here is an excerpt from Before Becoming This - the book is

available

> at http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm

>

> My acknowledgement and thanks to Dr. Steven Newmark

>

> I also have a question at the end of the excerpt and would be

> interested in getting feedback from the readers.

>

> Begin of excerpt ----

>

> Shree Maa : ....Always pray to God to get His grace. If we think

we

> are a child of God all the time, our actions will become divine.

> Automatically everything will come to us."

>

> Author :Does one ask for the Divine Mother for grace, like we'd

ask

> our own mother for a birthday present ?

>

> Shree Maa : Yes , I ask her for devotion and wisdom all the time.

> When you have pure devotion, pure knowledge will come.

>

> Author : It sounds so simple.

>

> Shree Maa : It is very simple. That is why we need to do spiritual

> practices, to remind ourselves to remember divinity all the time.

> But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

> spiritual life. .....

>

> End of excerpt ------

>

> OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

> from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not

everything,

> what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

> a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you can share ?

>

> JAI MAA !!!

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, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

> from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not

everything,

> what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

> a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you can share ?

>

> JAI MAA !!!

 

Spiritual practices are an "aid" to FINALLY start living a spiritual

life.

 

A spiritual life is a life of:

1. Complete awareness (moment-to-moment awareness; I fantasize it as

being aware of what I thought on, say, 8:58 am of 10th May 1999, and

how it has lead me to be what I am today).

2. Perfect and spntneous Response to every stimulus.

3. Compassion for all. Reminds me of Divine Mother's name from LS -

Abrahma-kita-janani - the mother of all, from the lowest worm to the

creator Brahma himself!

 

There are other ways in which it can be described, but you may be to

able to map them all to one of these, or more of these. In fact,

there is a strong co-relation between the 3 aspects I have mentioned

above too.

 

Just for the record, I got MILES and MILES to go before I can start

living a spiritual life.

 

Jai Ma!

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"But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

spiritual life. .....

 

End of excerpt ------

 

OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not everything,

what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you could contribute?"

 

Dear Latha,

Boy, I'll bet we have ALL had experience of this one....performing

a morning puja (spiritual) and then snapping at our spouse at the

breakfast table (ordinary) or, how about, leaving an uplifting

satsang (spiritual) and getting mad at the person who cuts you off

at the rotary on the way home (ordinary).

Spiritual practices seem, to me, like the "reward" for trying, in

my life in the world, to actually put the teachings into practice,

rather than keeping everything separated. As I've gotten older, the

gap between the world outside my puja room and my puja room has

lessened. Ideally there should be no difference at all....your whole

LIFE should be a spiritual life but, for most of us, there will be a

sense of separation until we no longer see the two lives

as "different" from one another.

Practically speaking, really putting some effort into the yamas

and niyamas as touchstones for our "wordly lives", taking the

lessons of attention, purity, focus and discipline from our puja

rooms into our work, really paying attention to the deep meaning of

the texts we are chanting and studying and relating them DIRECTLY to

our lives and, especially (in my experience) learning to listen to

that little voice that lets you know that you are "off" in your

behavior when you are in the world. Lately, it has become more and

more important, when I observe how easily we can hurt one another,

that I learn how to not cause more suffering in the world through my

own carelessness...so I would say the willingness to take

responsbility and to carefully observe your own behavior is very

helpful in leading a truly spiritual life....not causing harm and,

when you do cause harm (through ignorance or carlessnes), trying to

make it right.

It's a great thing to have people who are Living Lessons for us

and, also, to have the company of others who are attempting to

understand these questions. I always pray for the good health and

well being of all of the saints who so generously point the way for

us.

best,

sadhvi

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this problem is universal it seems.

 

i have a really curious old book from india called "science of

soul" ... it has all these diagrams of the internal body with

westerns and spiritual concepts all blended together.

 

in it, the author relates his experience as a boy who lived with a

yogi for a while. he and a friend were with the yogi

swimming/bathing in a small lake. when the yogi did not rise to the

surface after a dive for over 10 minutes, tehy were really

distressed and wend under water to find him. they pulled him out

from the bottom where he was

in an asan.

 

he sucked in a big gasp of air, then furiously reprimanded the 2

boys for interrupting his pranayama kumbhak practice, and did not

allow them to accompany him any longer.

 

!!!!

 

steve c.

 

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...>

wrote:

> "But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

> spiritual life. .....

>

> End of excerpt ------

>

> OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

> from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not

everything,

> what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

> a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you could contribute?"

>

> Dear Latha,

> Boy, I'll bet we have ALL had experience of this

one....performing

> a morning puja (spiritual) and then snapping at our spouse at the

> breakfast table (ordinary) or, how about, leaving an uplifting

> satsang (spiritual) and getting mad at the person who cuts you off

> at the rotary on the way home (ordinary).

> Spiritual practices seem, to me, like the "reward" for trying,

in

> my life in the world, to actually put the teachings into practice,

> rather than keeping everything separated. As I've gotten older,

the

> gap between the world outside my puja room and my puja room has

> lessened. Ideally there should be no difference at all....your

whole

> LIFE should be a spiritual life but, for most of us, there will be

a

> sense of separation until we no longer see the two lives

> as "different" from one another.

> Practically speaking, really putting some effort into the yamas

> and niyamas as touchstones for our "wordly lives", taking the

> lessons of attention, purity, focus and discipline from our puja

> rooms into our work, really paying attention to the deep meaning

of

> the texts we are chanting and studying and relating them DIRECTLY

to

> our lives and, especially (in my experience) learning to listen to

> that little voice that lets you know that you are "off" in your

> behavior when you are in the world. Lately, it has become more and

> more important, when I observe how easily we can hurt one another,

> that I learn how to not cause more suffering in the world through

my

> own carelessness...so I would say the willingness to take

> responsbility and to carefully observe your own behavior is very

> helpful in leading a truly spiritual life....not causing harm and,

> when you do cause harm (through ignorance or carlessnes), trying

to

> make it right.

> It's a great thing to have people who are Living Lessons for us

> and, also, to have the company of others who are attempting to

> understand these questions. I always pray for the good health and

> well being of all of the saints who so generously point the way

for

> us.

> best,

> sadhvi

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Latha,

 

It is a good question.

 

We know that spiritual practice is the key to divinity. If one is to

live a "spiritual life" spiritual practice is the means. So, just

what is Maa saying...

 

Though a spiritual life must include the externals, abstaining from

whoring, drugging, cheating, etc., it is spiritual practice that

allows this abstinence in the first place, and there are many people

who abstain for cultural and social reasons and have little spiritual

life in their life.

 

On the other hand, one may be practicing regularly, connected to God

at the heart, and still possess bad habits. Spiritual practice is a

process of purification. It takes time. Maa is well aware of this.

 

Messing around too much with the externals, trying too hard to be

good through will power alone can create splits in the personality,

and reservoirs of emotional energy that can threaten to overwhelm

when the Mother awakens within.

 

So what is she saying...

 

It must be a matter of intention, a matter of connection, between the

practitioner and God, between the practice and the life that comes

after one leaves the practice room. It must be less about externals

than about the intention to be a godly person, whatever the reality

may appear to be from outside.

 

Living a spiritual life is about maintaining and nurturing the

experience we have during practice, after the practice is over. It is

a discipline, but one of relationship, rather than negation. It is

the process of an active will toward a goal, gaining force without

interruption. To be able to give more than we receive, we first have

to receive. Our continuing intention allows us to receive without

interruption.

 

Chris

 

(I thought about this for some time, and I still don't think I quite

got the essence of what I feel...Oh well.)

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> Here is an excerpt from Before Becoming This - the book is

available

> at http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm

>

> My acknowledgement and thanks to Dr. Steven Newmark

>

> I also have a question at the end of the excerpt and would be

> interested in getting feedback from the readers.

>

> Begin of excerpt ----

>

> Shree Maa : ....Always pray to God to get His grace. If we think we

> are a child of God all the time, our actions will become divine.

> Automatically everything will come to us."

>

> Author :Does one ask for the Divine Mother for grace, like we'd ask

> our own mother for a birthday present ?

>

> Shree Maa : Yes , I ask her for devotion and wisdom all the time.

> When you have pure devotion, pure knowledge will come.

>

> Author : It sounds so simple.

>

> Shree Maa : It is very simple. That is why we need to do spiritual

> practices, to remind ourselves to remember divinity all the time.

> But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

> spiritual life. .....

>

> End of excerpt ------

>

> OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

> from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not

everything,

> what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

> a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you can share ?

>

> JAI MAA !!!

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Sadhvi,

 

Very nice, very personal response. Right to the point, I think.

 

Chris

 

 

, "nityashakti" <sadhvi@p...> wrote:

> "But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

> spiritual life. .....

>

> End of excerpt ------

>

> OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

> from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not everything,

> what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

> a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you could contribute?"

>

> Dear Latha,

> Boy, I'll bet we have ALL had experience of this

one....performing

> a morning puja (spiritual) and then snapping at our spouse at the

> breakfast table (ordinary) or, how about, leaving an uplifting

> satsang (spiritual) and getting mad at the person who cuts you off

> at the rotary on the way home (ordinary).

> Spiritual practices seem, to me, like the "reward" for trying, in

> my life in the world, to actually put the teachings into practice,

> rather than keeping everything separated. As I've gotten older, the

> gap between the world outside my puja room and my puja room has

> lessened. Ideally there should be no difference at all....your

whole

> LIFE should be a spiritual life but, for most of us, there will be

a

> sense of separation until we no longer see the two lives

> as "different" from one another.

> Practically speaking, really putting some effort into the yamas

> and niyamas as touchstones for our "wordly lives", taking the

> lessons of attention, purity, focus and discipline from our puja

> rooms into our work, really paying attention to the deep meaning of

> the texts we are chanting and studying and relating them DIRECTLY

to

> our lives and, especially (in my experience) learning to listen to

> that little voice that lets you know that you are "off" in your

> behavior when you are in the world. Lately, it has become more and

> more important, when I observe how easily we can hurt one another,

> that I learn how to not cause more suffering in the world through

my

> own carelessness...so I would say the willingness to take

> responsbility and to carefully observe your own behavior is very

> helpful in leading a truly spiritual life....not causing harm and,

> when you do cause harm (through ignorance or carlessnes), trying to

> make it right.

> It's a great thing to have people who are Living Lessons for us

> and, also, to have the company of others who are attempting to

> understand these questions. I always pray for the good health and

> well being of all of the saints who so generously point the way for

> us.

> best,

> sadhvi

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cool, chris, your meaning comes through.

 

s

 

 

, "Chris Kirner"

<chriskirner1956> wrote:

> Latha,

>

> It is a good question.

>

> We know that spiritual practice is the key to divinity. If one is

to

> live a "spiritual life" spiritual practice is the means. So, just

> what is Maa saying...

>

> Though a spiritual life must include the externals, abstaining from

> whoring, drugging, cheating, etc., it is spiritual practice that

> allows this abstinence in the first place, and there are many

people

> who abstain for cultural and social reasons and have little

spiritual

> life in their life.

>

> On the other hand, one may be practicing regularly, connected to

God

> at the heart, and still possess bad habits. Spiritual practice is a

> process of purification. It takes time. Maa is well aware of this.

>

> Messing around too much with the externals, trying too hard to be

> good through will power alone can create splits in the personality,

> and reservoirs of emotional energy that can threaten to overwhelm

> when the Mother awakens within.

>

> So what is she saying...

>

> It must be a matter of intention, a matter of connection, between

the

> practitioner and God, between the practice and the life that comes

> after one leaves the practice room. It must be less about externals

> than about the intention to be a godly person, whatever the reality

> may appear to be from outside.

>

> Living a spiritual life is about maintaining and nurturing the

> experience we have during practice, after the practice is over. It

is

> a discipline, but one of relationship, rather than negation. It is

> the process of an active will toward a goal, gaining force without

> interruption. To be able to give more than we receive, we first

have

> to receive. Our continuing intention allows us to receive without

> interruption.

>

> Chris

>

> (I thought about this for some time, and I still don't think I

quite

> got the essence of what I feel...Oh well.)

>

> , "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

> wrote:

> > Here is an excerpt from Before Becoming This - the book is

> available

> > at http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm

> >

> > My acknowledgement and thanks to Dr. Steven Newmark

> >

> > I also have a question at the end of the excerpt and would be

> > interested in getting feedback from the readers.

> >

> > Begin of excerpt ----

> >

> > Shree Maa : ....Always pray to God to get His grace. If we think

we

> > are a child of God all the time, our actions will become divine.

> > Automatically everything will come to us."

> >

> > Author :Does one ask for the Divine Mother for grace, like we'd

ask

> > our own mother for a birthday present ?

> >

> > Shree Maa : Yes , I ask her for devotion and wisdom all the time.

> > When you have pure devotion, pure knowledge will come.

> >

> > Author : It sounds so simple.

> >

> > Shree Maa : It is very simple. That is why we need to do

spiritual

> > practices, to remind ourselves to remember divinity all the time.

> > But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

> > spiritual life. .....

> >

> > End of excerpt ------

> >

> > OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

> > from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not

> everything,

> > what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

> > a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you can share ?

> >

> > JAI MAA !!!

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Swamiji speaks of a spiritual life being a holistic life. He teaches

the importance of having a goal in life and of seeing life as a

privilege. In terms of spiritual practice, he always emphasizes the

privilege of being in the presence of God and carrying that sense of

presence and privilege throughout your life. He speaks of

efficiency in organizing one's life so that the spiritual goal is

primary. Maa speaks often of the need to overcome selfishness. They

both speak of giving more than you take. They both live so that their

godliness is apparent and a shining example to all. Living a godly

life, a spiritual life, is why we are here.

"Latha Nanda" <lathananda >

Tue, 25 May 2004 15:16:32 -0000

Spiritual Practices and Spiritual Life

Here is an excerpt from Before Becoming This - the book is available

at http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm

My acknowledgement and thanks to Dr. Steven Newmark

I also have a question at the end of the excerpt and would be

interested in getting feedback from the readers.

Begin of excerpt ----

Shree Maa : ....Always pray to God to get His grace. If we think we

are a child of God all the time, our actions will become divine.

Automatically everything will come to us."

Author :Does one ask for the Divine Mother for grace, like we'd ask

our own mother for a birthday present ?

Shree Maa : Yes , I ask her for devotion and wisdom all the time.

When you have pure devotion, pure knowledge will come.

Author : It sounds so simple.

Shree Maa : It is very simple. That is why we need to do spiritual

practices, to remind ourselves to remember divinity all the time.

But performing spiritual practices is no substitute for leading a

spiritual life. .....

End of excerpt ------

OK, my question - what is a spiritual life ? how does it differ

from an "ordinary" life ? If spiritual practices are not everything,

what do you need to add to an "ordinary" life to make it

a "spiritual" one ? Any thoughts that you can share ?

JAI MAA !!!

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My thanks to Manoj,Kanda,Steve,Sadhvi, Chris for responding to this

post with their insights.

 

Here is something I read in Swamiji's translation of the Kashyapa

Sutras (The Guru and the Goddess available at

http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm ). This is Maa talking about

manifesting the highest ideals of perfection in one's life and this

particular paragraph appealed to me very much. It seems to summarize

what a spiritual aspirant needs to work towards along with his/her

spiritual practice.

 

Maa says :

 

.......Maintain the recollection that God within you is performing

all action. Remember who you are. Who am I ? I am nobody.

Remembering Truth is meditation. In whatever circumstance you

reside, remember who is residing there, and there will be no concept

of gain or loss, difficulty or comfort. When you remain in this

attitude of Truth, this is satsanga, this is communion with truth.

Cultivating this attitude, you establish a pattern for the mind to

sit still. ........

 

Thank you Maa. I just realised from your message that satsanga

is not only communing with people of like minds, but also

means 'sat'- truth , sanga -union , ie communion with truth.

 

Jai Maa

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oh latha that is beautiful, that is exactly what i was trying to

say, that is the inquiry, 'Where is God?' thank you for showing how

unitive this path is once again.

 

as i read it a 2nd time, i see how directly she knits together the

INQUIRY with the SADHANA [method, satsang.]

 

i love it! peace!

 

s

 

, "Latha Nanda" <lathananda>

wrote:

> My thanks to Manoj,Kanda,Steve,Sadhvi, Chris for responding to

this

> post with their insights.

>

> Here is something I read in Swamiji's translation of the Kashyapa

> Sutras (The Guru and the Goddess available at

> http://www.shreemaa.org/bookstore.htm ). This is Maa talking about

> manifesting the highest ideals of perfection in one's life and

this

> particular paragraph appealed to me very much. It seems to

summarize

> what a spiritual aspirant needs to work towards along with his/her

> spiritual practice.

>

> Maa says :

>

> ......Maintain the recollection that God within you is performing

> all action. Remember who you are. Who am I ? I am nobody.

> Remembering Truth is meditation. In whatever circumstance you

> reside, remember who is residing there, and there will be no

concept

> of gain or loss, difficulty or comfort. When you remain in this

> attitude of Truth, this is satsanga, this is communion with truth.

> Cultivating this attitude, you establish a pattern for the mind to

> sit still. ........

>

> Thank you Maa. I just realised from your message that satsanga

> is not only communing with people of like minds, but also

> means 'sat'- truth , sanga -union , ie communion with truth.

>

> Jai Maa

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